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April 02, 2009

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TM

I CAN QUIT ANYTIME

Just FYI, this is the first time in my adult life I have read more than three pages of a pension fund report without falling into a coma.

But I understand that not everyone may be having a similar breakthrough moment...

clarice

I suppose there'd be no covariance if they only bought shorts. *ducking*

jorod

Are there any Clinton Appointees at the PBGC?

Seriously, after the PBGC takes over a pension plan, it should fully fund the plan according to GAAP and then transfer it to a private trustee such as a bank or other trust company. Just like the FDIC sells a failed bank. It could raise money by selling the stream of trust fees to a successor trustee. Get the government out of the pension/investment management business.

Karl

BTW, Krugman is also wrong about when the oil shocks started. When Nixon took the US off the gold standard, OPEC decided it still wanted the same amount of gold per barrel, however many inflated US dollars that might be.

Appalled

TM:

An observation to your first point -- the amount of contributions to a pension is a matter of income tax regulation. there is a minimum amount -- there is also a rarely reached maximum amount. Moral hazard, or no, companies usually opt for the required minimum contribution. (And, given the impact a PBGC insured plan has on a corporate balance sheet, there already is a lot of moral hazard baked into the system.)

The government has, over the years, tried to improve funding by introducing risk based premiums to the PBGC and increasing the required miniumum contributions. The result, combined with accounting standards that may pension underfunding a balance sheet iteme, has been a large decline in number and coverage of pension plans. (The old fashioned db pension only covers 17% of the workfporce, and many of those are government workers, who are not covered by PBGC insurance.)

jorod -- Do you have any idea what it costs to "immediately fully fund" an underfunded pension plan the PBGC takes over? If you want to bust the PBGC trust fund really quickly, that's the way to do it!

TM

Moral hazard, or no, companies usually opt for the required minimum contribution.

This will give away my age but I vaguely remember a time when companies that had overfunded their pension plan would become takeover bait - apparently the acquirer could restructure the plan and reclaim pension assets.

Appalled

Overfunding was and is often a function of asset performance, rather than contribution history.

Um, I won't give away your age by mentioning when the laws that made that a worthwhile technique were changed. Because that might give away my age, too.

Jane

This will give away my age

Only to a very peculiar group of people.

Myself excluded.

Bill in AZ

Sort of OT, but this is a money thread and a genius thread...

When I woke up this morning to the genius Soros Reflexivity Network (ABC News), it struck me the that first and only story before the first commercial had to do with the Mark to Market accounting rules change. I wondered about the timing. Now, probably less than 1% of listeners would even have a clue what that story was about - but the less than 1% who do apparently reacted properly. In spite of another 700k of job losses (that got no mention), the market climbed today, with various top headlines associating the rise with Duh Won's incredibly successful G20 summit.

There is no need to connect dots - they all line up and connect themselves, day after day.

clarice

OT--thanks--I was so busy with other things I missed it. In case anyone else did, here's a story about it:

http://features.csmonitor.com/economyrebuild/2009/04/02/key-change-in-accounting-may-boost-banks-balance-sheets/>Mark to market finally gets tossed

RichatUF

Bill-

I was thinking along those lines the other day-pretty convenient that FASB, OCC, and SEC spent all that time putting the mark to market regime in place then when it all went bad because of "information asymmetries" they quickly put in an HFV patch-problem solved. Another rule change coming down the pike is the uptick rule.

However, and I'm not sure where I would look to either prove or disprove my hypothesis, is that AIG is unwinding its books and if they were bailing on securities, commodities, and currencies positions, regardless of there profitibility, enough people on trading desks might know what is going on and are front running the trades.

Charlie (Colorado)

I suppose there'd be no covariance if they only bought shorts. *ducking*

Insert "underwear gnomes business model" joke here.

Charlie (Colorado)

I wondered about the timing. Now, probably less than 1% of listeners would even have a clue what that story was about - but the less than 1% who do apparently reacted properly.

Bill, that's been discussed for weeks, and the date of the FASB meeting at which it'd be voted has been known for a long time. It's been treated as fait accompli for at least a week, and people last night were talking about which stocks to watch when it happened as it inevitably would.

Make sure you're connecting dot with a line, and not drawing the line first.

clarice

Shoot,Chaco, you are really trying to make it hard for folks like me to find patterns.

Charlie (Colorado)

I was thinking along those lines the other day-pretty convenient that FASB, OCC, and SEC spent all that time putting the mark to market regime in place then when it all went bad because of "information asymmetries" they quickly put in an HFV patch-problem solved. Another rule change coming down the pike is the uptick rule.

Jeez, guys. The accounting changes were discussed and driven by Enron, which filed bankruptcy in December 2001. FAS 157 was proposed not too long after that, issued in September 2006, effective in fiscal years that start after November 15 2007. In other words, it wasn't forced on people, effectively, until 2008 -- who has a fiscal year that starts on 1 December?

FASB had been pushed to change 157 gain starting last year, and it took until 1 April to happen. The only surprise here is that a rule that took 3-4 years to propose issue, and adopt could be changed in 6 months.

Charlie (Colorado)

Shoot,Chaco, you are really trying to make it hard for folks like me to find patterns.

Yeah, I know, what a party pooper.

Chris

So, the left goes nuts about the PBGC's (discussion of) altering its investment allocation to include 25% in equities from the prior 10% (I think those numbers are correct, working from memory).

Same leftys are apoplectic over simply discussing letting individuals retain their own social security accounts and invest a portion of it. Risky scheme! Never mind that the investments being proposed were treasury accounts. The left wailed and railed that Rethug's wanted to put grandma's retirement $$ into Enron.

Why do they hate markets and worship government? I don't get it.

Bill in AZ

Charlie, for someone who pays attention to stuff like this, yes, it is known. But it is a small circle of people who have actually retained the term if they heard it anywhere, and a smaller circle who even have a clue or care about what it means. ABC News, with commercial breaks, etc, has maybe 3 minutes worth of news on the hour. Why would they devote a minute of that to Mark to Market to the 99% of listeners who have no clue what it is. It was aimed at the semi-knowledgeable, who have heard it is a good thing, and they reacted appropriately today.

clarice

OT:Tedisco ahead--not by much :"As voting machines are re-canvassed, Assembly Minority Leader Jim Tedisco has picked up 37 votes, evaporating Democrat Scott Murphy’s lead in the race to replace Kirsten Gillibrand in Congress, according to county election officials who are conducting a recanvass. "

Tedisco now has 77,236; Murphy has 77,224.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2221014/posts

Charlie (Colorado)

Bill, my point is it's really hard to have a secret cabal running an illicit conspiracy if everyone knows about it.

It would be nice if the general press sovered these things a little ahead of time, but frankly, I doubt they understood it either.

clarice

Blagojevich and his brother indicted (75 pp indictment) no word as to whether we will be treated to another of those super duper Fitzgerald pressers.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/blagojevich/1508772,rod-blagojevich-indicted-040209.article>Indictments

centralcal

In other semi-good news from Malkin re: Ward Scumbag Churchill:

"In Denver, the verdict in the Ward Churchill trial was just read.

The jury found that University of Colorado terminated him based on his speech, but awarded him $0 for past economic harm and $1 for current damages."

Chris

I look forward to working the name "Tedisco" into many future conversations. Hoping he hangs on.

clarice

I wouldn't dance around Denver yet--The Court might still reinstate this fraud. (And don't blame the jurors or the judge, blame CU which hired him, kept him on and took its good time to act on the well-founded claims that he is an academic fraud.

centralcal

Clarice: That is why I said it was semi-good news . . . at least he wasn't awarded any past or present monetary damages!

I assumed that if the court found he was wrongfully terminated that CU would be forced to hire him back? Is that how it works?

Bill in AZ

It's neither a "secret cabal" or an "illicit conspiracy", well, except to its target, the vast muddle. The whole point of Soros "reflexivity" and the JournoList Fascist Directives is that it is right in the open. It wouldn't work otherwise.

Soros "Reflexivity" is to nudge markets through words, action, money if necessary, usually all three. Then, when the market takes on a life of its own, you catch the fallout - whatever that is. The same people who don't know what Mark to Market or FASB are, will freely associate todays market uptick to Duh Won's successful G20 summit - with the help of the media of course.

clarice

Often, cc..

Porchlight

OT,

This sucks: Obama to nominate sampling expert to head census

The left has wanted sampling aka polling in the census for years, so this is no surprise. High stakes for 2012 races.

This appt requires Senate confirmation - I don't suppose the Repubs have a chance, but I hope they'll at least try.

Jane

The jury found that University of Colorado terminated him based on his speech, but awarded him $0 for past economic harm and $1 for current damages."

I hope it sticks. Churchill is scum.

bad

Churchill is scum.

Scum doesn't deserve that.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Maybe the jury thought that the University of Colorado enabled Churchill. Or that they deserved each other for a while longer.

Anyone want to take bets on how long it will be before he gets fired again?

Boatbuilder

An interesting letter in the WSJ from Roger Bowen, who I recall as a very lefty professor of Government Studies at Colby College a long time ago. Bowen says that Churchill is a fraud, but that he was hired by Colorado "largely because of his reputation as a provocateur;" Bowen suspects that "Churchill understood . . . that he had been empowered to bolster the university's reputation by being outspoken and outrageous." They deserve each other--but do the taxpayers, students and parents who pay for it all deserve to be saddled with the bill? Shouldn't the University fire whoever hired him in the first place?

Stephanie

So the editor of the NY Slimes says that saving the paper ranks right up there with saving Darfur...

Works for me. Lots of lip service and the situation doesn't improve, but hey! the libs feel better about themselves for having cared.

AL

Lefties are making great disservice to PBGC, trashing their plans to purchase stocks. Now it is good time to invest in stock market. In last two days Chinese bought US automotive parts company and stake in Canadian oil sand company, for example.

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