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April 12, 2009

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PaulL

Jane,

Aren't you glad that you didn't bet on this hostage situation lasting 400 days?

glasater

MUST we do Obama derangement now?

Yup!! And double down.

I'm grateful when Fox or any news outlet exposes the hypocrisy of the criticism levied against President Bush and how Zero skates on a similar situation.

Gmax

Texas. No freaking State Income tax and probably the best economy in the country right now.

Charlie (Colorado)

Well, Charlie the only reports of the negotiations are that we insisted the pirates turn themselves into our cutody and agreed to be tried.

I'm operating on what was said above, that one of the pirates was to go aboard the Bainbridge. My first guess is something like this:

- Bainbridge comes in close and lowe4rs a Zodiac boat.
- armed SEALs or Marines took a Zodiac to pick up the negotiator.
- more SEALs are on the rial of Bainbridge with rifles.
- Phillips (after a wink and a nod, perhaps) goes over the side.
- Several (!) shots are fired.

The fact that the rerscue team(s) could act so rapidly when there was a distraction ,indicates that there was,a contingency plan or plans.

Gee, y'think?

Charlie (Colorado)

I know you are more concerned with gays in the military being allowed to marry, but at least you could do a little research on what SEALs are capable of doing, any day of the week.

Yeah, yeah, I'm a leftist again. Dolt.

Charlie (Colorado)

Yup!! And double down.

Do you really want to live like that?

PaulL

The Obama administration can't even decide what they are going to do with the surviving pirate.

Charlie (Colorado)

The Maersk's crew is now saying that the plan was to exchange Phillips for the guy they'd captured but the pirates apparently didn't go for it.

Charlie (Colorado)

The Obama administration can't even decide what they are going to do with the surviving pirate.

I vote for throwing him over the side with a raw pork chop tied around his neck.

PaulL

Contrarian Charlie,

We aren't acting deranged about Obama. The facts are that Obama refused to comment about the pirates because it was distracting him from focusing on housing, pizza, and his dog. His administration sent the FBI over and has interpreted this as a crime, nothing more.

But go ahead and try to run interference for Obama if you want to. You've got your work cut out for you.

Captain Hate

Do you really want to live like that?

Sorry but Marcus Queensbury wasn't working so well and I don't like being a nice-guy punching bag. If you think that ACORN is going to play nice-nice.....well I'm pretty sure you don't think that.

PeterUK

"Gee, y'think?"
Yes Charlie I do you fucking egomaniac.
You were the one saying it couldn't be done.

PaulL

I vote for throwing him over the side with a raw pork chop tied around his neck.

Now you're talkin'. I second the motion.

Charlie (Colorado)

Here's what CNN is reporting now:

Phillips, captain of the U.S.-flagged Maersk Alabama, had been held hostage in an enclosed lifeboat for several days by four pirates and was being closely watched by U.S. warships and a helicopter in an increasingly tense standoff. The lifeboat was out of fuel and drifting.

The firefight and rescue took place after negotations between the pirates and American officials broke down.

According to CNN, the captain jumped out of the lifeboat on Sunday and began swimming toward U.S. warships. As the pirates trained their rifles on the captain in the water, U.S. Navy commandoes shot and killed them.

The fourth pirate, who had been aboard the USS Bainbridge conducting negotiations, was immediately arrested.

richard mcenroe

Dang, Tom, you got more open threads than a cheap Chinese sweater from WalMart...

richard mcenroe

Rick Ballard -- ACTUP! and GLAAD are perfectly happy with 'cruiser', thank you very much...

Homophobe.

Rick Ballard

"I vote for throwing him over the side with a raw pork chop tied around his neck."

That or a previous suggestion from Peter in another similar situation - present him with a large sack full of dollar bills in a televised ceremony with lots of hand shaking and slaps on the back and send him 'home'.

Capt. Phillips is just damned lucky that the new puppy kept the Commie in Chief preoccupied long enough for the Navy to do its job.

Go Navy!

Elliott

The fourth pirate, who had been aboard the USS Bainbridge conducting negotiations, was immediately arrested.

But has he been given his Miranda warning?

richard mcenroe

Charlie (Colorado) I wouldn't be surprised if that fourth pirate was arrested A LOT, if you know what I mean and I think you do.

Lotta slippery gangways on them Navy ships...

Charlie (Colorado)

But go ahead and try to run interference for Obama if you want to. You've got your work cut out for you.

See, that's what I'm talking about. You're making shit up. All you know is that Obama didn't say anything. You and some of the others come up with these ridiculously dangerous schemes that were damn near guaranteed to get people killed. You were starting to talk about 400 day captivity.

Then Phillips is rescued in a clean operation that took advantage of his bravery, and didn't get any good guys hurt. And you're still blaming Obama because it wasn't a sufficient open proclamation of the US's superior dick size.

Now you have me "running interference for Obama" because I'm asking you to operate on reality instead of making up fairy tales about all the despicable things Obama was doing.

It's JUST AS CRAZY as the people over the last eight years saying that Bush plotted to have Katrina kill all the black people in New Orleans.

Deranged, stupid, and delusional is no way to go through life.

Charlie (Colorado)

Charlie (Colorado) I wouldn't be surprised if that fourth pirate was arrested A LOT, if you know what I mean and I think you do.

Well, they're also saying the fourth one was "wounded", so if CNN has the basic story right, then yeah, I'm guessing the Master at Arms took some steps to make sure he wasn't able to resist.

Gmax

"I vote for throwing him over the side with a raw pork chop tied around his neck."

Actually a pretty good plan with modification for the ones trying to get to their 72 virgins. As the British once upon a time did so effectively, these three should be buried inside a pig carcass, effectively trapping them for eternity from reaching martyrdom.

Danube of Thought

"when they did, it's wasn't superman SEALs..."

I haven't heard one way or another what kind of operation it was.

The fact that one of the pirates was aboard Bainbridge does not mean the ship was within 300 yards. The could have sent a whaleboat or a Zodiac over for him from much farther out than that. I have heard variously that they were stationing themselves 300 yards from the lifeboat, a half mile from the whaleboat, and a mile from the whaleboat. I don't know.

As to what kind of operation would be STUPID, or what makes a good officer, I'll leave that to the professionals on the scene. I laid out a possibility yesterday, and I know for a fact that SEALS have been training for such operations for decades.

PeterUK

" As the pirates trained their rifles on the captain in the water, U.S. Navy commandoes shot and killed them."

Heaven forfend,they were trained marksmen,snipers even.

Charlie (Colorado)

f you think that ACORN is going to play nice-nice.....well I'm pretty sure you don't think that.

So, you imagine that making bad shit up and obsessing about it will help? As I've said several times here, Obama is managing to do plenty of things to dislike: we don't need to make things up, and people obsessing on these ridiculous unfounded theories just make the non-deranged look bad.

Danube of Thought

SEALs coulda done it if only they let women in, right, Charlie?

Gmax

Wounded? Say MO ( alright if I call you Mo, Mohammed?) how did you get all of those bruises on your head and shoulders, and that broken arm? You slipped on a bar of soap while taking a shower?

Gmax

No guaranty it was SEALs of course, there were Marines onboard at least one of those ships so lots of marksmen with superior training to accomplish the task at hand. Who cares if it was just a swab with a pistol. Shame they could not have made it four for four.

Danube of Thought

"...any good officer wouldn't risk a SEAL team on some harebrained swimming expedition."

Since a SEAL team consists of eight 16-man platoons, that would be one hell of a swimming expedition. With that many guys, it would probably be harebrained as well.

bad

Happy Birthday, Stephanie!! Glad you found something fun for yourself.

Yay Captain Phillips!!

Go Navy!!

USA USA USA

Charlie (Colorado)

Yeah, DoT, and that's no bullshit. Sure thing.

You know for a fact that SEALs have been training for years to assault life capsule lifeboats covertly from underwater. And your proof is that when the pirates had put someone aboard the Bainbridge, Phillips went overboard and Navy guys shot the pirates.

Does the phrase REMF ring a bell?

Man, I've been around special operators off and on for years.

Even though I was a collection SIGINT guy, not in operations.

What's the one consistent complaint they have? That politicians and civilians ask them to do stupidly dangerous things.

Captain Hate

So, you imagine that making bad shit up and obsessing about it will help?

Who's making shit up? I've made my points pretty clear, that by continually badmouthing the US and blaming Bush for all the sins of the world while giving the real wrongdoers a pass, Obama has created a Carter-like situation in which bad things happen to our citizens. Do you think it's a mere coincidence that those pirates felt bold enough to take hostages at this point in time?

bad

Speaking of Pirates and lots of booty, Michelle Obama is the first FLOTUS to have a fulltime Make-up artist.

LUN

warning: nasty shot at Laura Bush in article

Charlie (Colorado)

Since a SEAL team consists of eight 16-man platoons, that would be one hell of a swimming expedition. With that many guys, it would probably be harebrained as well.

Yeah, yeah, now you're thrashing. Instead of a stupid swim party, the SEALs and Navy put together reasonable military plans, waited for a good opportunity, and executed them. Successfully.

bad

executed them

Literally

Gmax

From the Halls of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli...

Apparently the Bainbridge is named for an officer who fought the Barbary pirates and was held captive by them for 2 years until freed by the Marines in an expeditionary force landed for that purpose.

Wont it be great lore, if the bullets that sent these bastards to their deserved graves was from a Marine sharpshooter?

Jane

Hey Elliott,

You really should be gloating right about now.

Captain Hate

warning: nasty shot at Laura Bush in article

I feel unclean for having read that; not a gram of testosterone in there other than Lt. Worf.

bad
The Obamas privately paid for the travel expenses of the styling team, according to a spokeswoman for the first lady. But the high-profile jobs don't pay much, say former White House stylists.

"You do it because you know you will have some prestige and you will be able to make money later," Portelli said.

I'm shocked the Obama's would underpay someone. How fair is that? Chintzy...

Charlie (Colorado)

Who's making shit up?

You and the other people who've been saying for days that the Navy must have been ordered not to take any actions, by Obama, because he

- didn't want to kill people
- didn't want to offend Muslims
- felt kinship with them from racial or ethnic solidarity

You guys had no evidence for that. None. The only basis you had on which to infer that was that the magical SEALs with superpowers hadn't done anything.

Then the SEALs and the Marines and the Navy actually pulled it off. No undesirable casualties, and three dead pirates. Dead African, black, Muslim pirates.

Which, by the way, pretty well disproves all the suppositions you guys were making. The Navy just planned and waited for a clean op, with all the resources they needed, a good opportunity, and when it looked like things could be getting worse as they got closer to the Somali coast.

For God's sake, give the Navy some credit here. They did a perfect op. They got everything we wanted. Jay Rockefeller is already saying that the US is going to have to take military action.

I get that you don't like Obama. I don't like Obama either. But try to live in reality, for crying out loud.

Charlie (Colorado)

Literally

Okay, I admit it: I was kind of proud of that phrasing.

Gmax

WIKI says of the Marines expedition at the Battle of Dern:

It was an effort to destroy all of the Barbary pirates, free the American slaves in captivity, and put an end to piracy acts between these warring tribes on the part of the Barbary states.

What is old is new, I do so hope now it was the Marines.

bad

LOL Captain

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Let's not fight amongst ourselves when Easter brings such good news. Personally, I don't give a rap whether BHO was paying attention to the situation or just said to the Navy get 'er done but be careful. I would hope it was the latter because the President shouldn't be doing anything operational in a situation like this which, except for its location, is not much different than Dog Day Afternoon.

We have a very competent Navy, and it has come through with flying colors. That's where the credit belongs. If BHO has any sense, he will leave it at that. If Axelrod tries to puff up BHO's part in the operation, it will backfire, IMO.

BTW, I bet there DOT and Chaco's dialogue was, in substance, being repeated within the Navy operation. That was what made John Wayne movies so fun. I am thinking of Flying Tigers and Flying Leathernecks.

Another BTW, Mickelson is 5 under after 7 holes. Tiger is only 1 under.

Charlie (Colorado)

Oh, that's interesting. CGN-25, only ship of her class, smallest nuke in the Navy. A cruiser, strictly, not a destroyer.

Charlie (Colorado)

Obama's official statement:

I am very pleased that Captain Phillips has been rescued and is safely on board the USS Boxer. His safety has been our principal concern, and I know this is a welcome relief to his family and his crew.

I am also very proud of the efforts of the U.S. military and many other departments and agencies who worked tirelessly to secure Captain Phillips's safe recovery.

We remain resolved to halt the rise of piracy in this region. To achieve that goal, we must continue to work with our partners to prevent future attacks, be prepared to interdict acts of piracy and ensure that those who commit acts of piracy are held accountable for their crimes.

I share the country's admiration for the bravery of Captain Phillips and his selfless concern for his crew. His courage is a model for all Americans.

Bill Cowan just made the point on Fox that this wouldn't have happened without authority from NCA.

Charlie (Colorado)

Which means, by the way, that Obama actually made the right decision.

I guess this is a historic occasion.

PeterUK

"For God's sake, give the Navy some credit here. "

We did Charlie,you were the one casting doubt.Read the previous thread.

Charlie (Colorado)

Oops, sorry, CGN-25 was decommissioned in 1996. This was DDG-96, an Arleigh Burke class.

Jane

Another BTW, Mickelson is 5 under after 7 holes. Tiger is only 1 under.

Precisely the reason Elliott should be gloating. Generally Ann and I double team him at all golf events rooting for Tiger against his Phil.

Back nine - watch for the choke (ducking)

bad

I'm disappointed the First Dog is 6 months old. The Obama girls missed the magic of puppyhood.

Elliott

Long way to go yet.

Gmax

He made the only rational decision, and dithered about that for days.

If he goes after the terrorist's camps in Somalia, as he now has ever opportunity to do, I will retract. Dont expect to have to retract though. This guy is J Peanut Carter with a tan.

PD

"It took Laura Bush four years to finally look good. It's taken Michelle Obama two months. She wears fake eyelashes that are beautiful. She can't do those herself."

Pshaw. Laura Bush was georgeous from the beginning.

This requirement that the left has to make the Obamas look good by denegrating their predecessors is so tiresome.

PD

Which means, by the way, that Obama actually made the right decision.

I'm confused. What decision did he actually make?

PaulL

Wow, Charlie, we don't even need Axelrod anymore with you offering your services for free.

Just last night, for those who missed it, you were claiming that not even Aquaman could swim 300 yards, secretly, and locate the pirate lifeboat in the dark, let alone SEALs.

Since the operation today didn't go the way we were discussing, you are acting like that bolsters your absurd claim from last night.

sbw

We won't know how right Obama's decision was until we see if the Rules of Engagement have changed.

Charlie (Colorado)

PUK, who is giving the Navy more credit: the guy saying "they wouldn't do something that stupid" or the ones saying "Obama must have ordered them not to do anything, or else they'd have tried something outrageously dangerous and stupid"?

When we hear that the Navy really did make SEALs swim to a lifeboat in open ocean in the dark, and attack the boat covertly, instead of planning and executing a normal overt action, then tell me I was wrong.

bad

I read that, PD, and wonder why I missed how bad she looked. STUPID ME!!

Charlie (Colorado)

Just last night, for those who missed it, you were claiming that not even Aquaman could swim 300 yards, secretly, and locate the pirate lifeboat in the dark, let alone SEALs.

Yeah, I was. Or, more strictly, I said it would be daunting for Aquaman. And that it would be stupid.

If you want to continue to push the notion that the SEALs would do something that stupid, go ahead. I think better of them.

PD

What I know so far on the lockout that I'm experiencing:

Appeared spontaneously as far as I can tell: The Post and Preview buttons simply became disabled after one of my JOM page refreshes yesterday. Also, the "Save personal info" checkbox no longer appears.

Browser independent: Post/Preview are disabled no matter which browser I use on my machine

Machine independent: Same thing happens on all machines I've tried on my home network.

Maybe it's tied to IP address somehow. All machines tried are behind the same NAT box, so they appear to have the same address to the outside world.

sbw

I have no doubt that SEALs could swim 300 yards on a compass bearing to a lifeboat in the dark. I have no doubt that after having done so, a flash bang could have been put in to an opening in an otherwise closed life raft.

I'm also glad they didn't have to do so.

bad
White House aides told the AP that the office of the first lady arranged an exclusive deal on the dog story with the Post.

What was the deal?

LUN

Charlie (Colorado)

He made the only rational decision, and dithered about that for days.

And your evidence for the dithering is what?

What happened was that the Navy gathered the resources, and waited until they had the best shot, and the situation was going to degrade if they waited.

boris

SEALs would do something that stupid

Willing to bet they had an op ready just in case. Bet they're glad they didn't have to use it.

sbw

Maybe it's tied to IP address somehow. All machines tried are behind the same NAT box, so they appear to have the same address to the outside world.

PD, I think Typuspad goes temporarily deaf at its home database.

Captain Hate

You and the other people who've been saying for days that the Navy must have been ordered not to take any actions, by Obama, because he

- didn't want to kill people
- didn't want to offend Muslims
- felt kinship with them from racial or ethnic solidarity

I just looked over the comments I made and the closest I came to any of these was when I referred to the pirates as "seafaring community organizers", which I guess is solidarity of a sort. When did you turn into AllahPundit?

PD

Nope, it's not the IP, either. Just checked using another of my IPs not behind the NAT box and the same thing happens.

PaulL

I am very pleased that Captain Phillips has been rescued and is safely on board the USS Boxer. His safety has been our principal concern, and I know this is a welcome relief to his family and his crew.

The captain's safety should not trump the interests of the United States. Jimmy Carter could have said what Obama said.

I am also very proud of the efforts of the U.S. military and many other departments and agencies who worked tirelessly to secure Captain Phillips's safe recovery.

What other agency fired the bullets that actually ended the situation?


JM Hanes

Charlie:

"I wasn't saying that the SEALs were incapable of doing something,"

Yes, you were.

Elliott

Let me proceed to out-Nantz Nantz. With 19-year old Rory McIlroy came home in 31,I am reminded that the last time the Masters concluded on Easter Sunday, another teenager played the final nine in 31 strokes. That very day, Phil trailed going to the second nine, made a nice par save on 10, and also shot 31 coming home to victory.

bad

HEH, the dogs name is BO, not Beau, but BO.

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

PeterUK

"PUK, who is giving the Navy more credit: the guy saying "they wouldn't do something that stupid" or the ones saying "Obama must have ordered them not to do anything, or else they'd have tried something outrageously dangerous and stupid"?

Come on Charlie ,I expect beter from you than that.What was it you were saying about making shit up? Your last sentence was pure invention.

JM Hanes

"White House aides told the AP that the office of the first lady arranged an exclusive deal on the dog story with the Post."

Yesterday's Not Hot is New Cool today: Pay to Play.

Charlie (Colorado)

I have no doubt that SEALs could swim 300 yards on a compass bearing to a lifeboat in the dark. I have no doubt that after having done so, a flash bang could have been put in to an opening in an otherwise closed life raft.

SBW, think about trying to do that in a rowboat. In the dark. in 10 knot winds. and 5-8 foot seas.

Forget the need to do it silently, but remember you can't use a flashlight or a searchlight to see the lifeboat.

Remember that the three boats would drift at different rates, so the lifeboat isn't holding a steady bearing.

Remember that the target is literally the size of a living room carpet: 15×18 feet.

Now think about trying to do it swimming.

PD

Yes, "Bo" in apparent reference to "Bo Diddly." But the first time I heard "Bo," I thought: Bo = B.O. = Barack Obama?

The girls can name the dog what they like, but if I were the father I would not have wanted it named using my initials.

Elliott

Electrafying.

clarice

PD--Go to typepad.cpm and write up a ticket explaining what happened and what you've done to correct it.
If nothing else you'll then begin a long, soulful dialogue for days with one of the techies.({robably from Lahore.)
Deranged, stupid, and delusional is no way to go through life.'

I'm 67. It's a little late for you to be telling me that.


Chaco:"

JM Hanes

"Now think about trying to do it swimming."

Much easier with fins underwater.

Charlie (Colorado)

The captain's safety should not trump the interests of the United States. Jimmy Carter could have said what Obama said.

Okay, then the Navy shouldn't have even bothered with the whole operation: they should have just shot the boat out of the water. Screw Phillips, he's expendable.

If you're not joking, you're just not thinking.

bad

JMH, I'm dying to know what the deal was.

Was it financial or coverage related?

boris

you can't use a flashlight or a searchlight to see the lifeboat.

Paint the boat with and IR laser beam.

Waterproof IR goggles.

Charlie (Colorado)

Much easier with fins underwater.

Yeah, right. In the dark.

Charlie (Colorado)

Paint the boat with and IR laser beam.

Waterproof IR goggles.

Don't forget the portable sonar, the talking porpoises, and the artificial gills.

Charlie (Colorado)

PD, make sure you haven't disabled javascript. This gussied up new commenting depends on javascript running in your browser.

I've seen the thing with the buttons disabled; I copy the text and reload the page and then paste it back, and that seems to help.

clarice

Goes back to my assertion that you can't post if the box is not at the bottom of a thread page. When lots of people are posting, it sometimes gets wacky.

JM Hanes

Oh for the days of Reagan saying they only need to wake me up if they fail!

clarice

I don't know--I like the talking porpoises thing though I am sure PETA would disapprove of putting them in harm's way.

JM Hanes

"Yeah, right. In the dark."

Yeah, right. Like they only train in daylight.

PeterUK

Seems Italian Frogpersons could do it.


" July 13, 1942: Twelve Italian frogmen swam from the Algeciras coast into Gibraltar harbor and set explosives, and then returned safely. They sank four ships"

Flnj

When lucifer damned Jesus and raised him from the dead, why would anyone think that is God? An afterlife isn't normal and not God's intent. Lucifer even gave them funny wings on their backs to let us know.

PaulL

Obama is taking credit for giving approval to the military to act. News report does not say WHEN Obama gave approval.

boris

Well Chuck, the LCD view finder on a digital camera can "see" the IR LED light from a TV remote. So that's both wierd science examples in my possesion. So do you have a portable sonar or artificial gills or do even know any talking porpoises?

I'm guessing "Yes" on the last one only they're also invisible to other people.

bad

Flnj

A little early in the day to be drinking so heavily but God bless you anyway.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

For those not watching, Phil just put it in the water at 12.

Gmax

I need evidence but you on the other had can prattle on ( preach really on this thread ) with impunity with nothing other than your smug confidence of your supreme knowledge? WTF, have you lost your mind?

PeterUK

"Lucifer even gave them funny wings on their backs to let us know."

They're turkeys?

bad

LOL PUK

JM Hanes

I'm thinking ostrich, PUK.

clarice

I'm trying to imagine eyewitness testimony by the defensant's witnesses that the pirates weren't really shooting at the Capt when the navy responded by killing them.

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