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April 28, 2009

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lurking

There are too many rationales for favoring an investigation for that question to have much meaning.

clarice

What does this mean?
"But among the self-identified who claim to be following the story closely, 61% say harsh techniques were justified and 37% say no. I'll guess that difference lacks statistical significance."

Sarcasm, I take it.

Jane

Sorry to do an early hijack, but Fox News just reported the WH has banned flyover photo ops. How bloody typical. Why not just issue a statement that says: "Oops we won't do that again." After all it's not the rest of us who need to change our behavior.

verner

Great Post TM. This is going down the memory hole as fast as Rahm can stuff it there.

As for the plane, Karma baby, Karma.

clarice

Jane, read Mustang's comment on the Hillary thread--I think you have a not one for today's show.

clarice

**HOT one***

Why this photo op at all? Was it for a movie in production called "red Tail?"

anduril

Note the misdirection by Obama, however. Blame for failing to have truth commission will not fall on him so much as on Congress. And, after all, who can argue with blaming Congress, as a general principle? Could be a somewhat clever move by The One.

I've posted my attempt to apply just war theory by analogy to the issue of coercive interrogation, over at "Timing is Everything." Those interested can peruse. Obviously it can't pretend to be exhaustive.

narciso

Alright, what did Obama do the telepromter that he ordered the overflight of Manhattan,
second question, does it have control of the launch codes, ala Skynet. Does anyone remember when we used to have F-16 patrol the skies, not 747 doing bad Top Gun maneuvers, If it is a promotion for Red Tails, why not use the vintage aircraft,
P-41 Mustangs right.

anduril

P-51

PMII

When we get hit again because of this, even the dump sh#ts will say why didn't we use harsher interrogation techniques.

It's all about power, money, & control. They don't give a rats as# about the folks.

And anyone got any tips on the new high paying green jobs?

maryrose

Obama has put his finger up to test how the wind blows on this one and has found it to be a complete waste of time. Down the memory hole indeed. I think dems were ok with it as long as they were not under the microscope.Thjere is a great article out today about Dem Amnesia...

Danube of Thought

Can anybody enlighten me on the White House claim that Obama is "constitutionally isolated" from the decision whether to prosecute the "torture-memo" people? Article II of the constitution imposes on the president the duty to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." Not only does it impose no such duty on the Attorney General, it does not mention an Attorney General at all. That office is a creature of statute.

On a related point, did he or did he not teach constitutional law? I believe I saw him with my own eyes saying that he had done so for ten years; a week later Gibbs was specifically denying that he had ever taught it.

Ranger

Can anybody enlighten me on the White House claim that Obama is "constitutionally isolated" from the decision whether to prosecute the "torture-memo" people?

Also, don't forget the power to pardon. Pardons have been granted for crimes there were only alleged as a way to stop any future prosecution (such as in Nixon's case). Obama could make all of this go away tomorrow by simply issuing a blaket pardon to anyone who participated in any way, even tanjentally by providing legal review, with the Enhanced Interogation program. I personally don't think such pardons would be nessessary in the long run, as I doubt anyone would be convicted (unless, of course, they were tried before a DC jury), but the act of issuing the pardon would should this whole thing down right now.

Ignatz


-Obama has put his finger up to test how the wind blows on this one and has found it to be a complete waste of time.-

Actually I don't think he does that, unlike Clinton.
Clinton was an insecure Narcissist who wanted to be liked, so was blown to and fro by the winds of political momentum.

Barry seems an arrogant one, less concerned with being liked than being worshipped; and considerably better at it than Billy Jeff.
I think he has a rigid plan and what he does is pretty much solely calculated to advance it whether that means manipulating the David Brooks of the world or the Mother Jones set. He's a radical on a radical course driving a green electric bus (made by his newest M&A GM) to the promised land, and any lefty that doesn't learn who the new boss is soon, is going to end up under his wheels just like the rest of us.


anduril

Danube, good discussion: Obama's incoherent powder

Porchlight

So many questions re: the flyover/photo op:

Where was the photographer? On one of the F-16s? On the ground somewhere? In a fourth aircraft?

Where are the photos that were taken?

Who was on the 747? Possibly some campaign contributors? Hard to imagine the Permanent Campaign passing up an opportunity like that.

And of course - as I think JMH and others asked - who submitted the mission to the WHMO for approval?

Surely some reporter somewhere can ask those questions. Guess it's Tapper or nobody.

matt

Now it appears the UAW will own 51% of Chrysler. Isn't that nice? Now the workers can own the means of production. Something straight out of Marx. The people who bear the greatest responsibility for the demise of Chrysler now own it.

MayBee

Isn't the movie Redtails about the Tuskeegee airmen? That's a WWII movie, and the 747 would be an anachronism.

MayBee

Oh, heaven help us all:

markknollerAt the start of his remarks, someone in the FBI crowd fainted. Obama said it used to happen all the time during his campaign.
Ranger

Isn't the movie Redtails about the Tuskeegee airmen? That's a WWII movie, and the 747 would be an anachronism.

Posted by: MayBee | April 28, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Just imagine as the credits roll for the film about the trail blazing African American young men who became heros, we have an F-16 from the same unit escorting Air Force 1 (supposedly) carrying the trail blazing first African American president.

PMII

I think the Union should own 100% of GM. Then there can't be any excuses.....

PMII

Specter Intends to Switch Political Parties...

Fresh Air

What, he's going to become a Republican?

MayBee

Yeah, I see the Red Tail thing now. I did Tweet Tapper. We'll see if he takes out a restraining order on me.

Pofarmer

On a related point, did he or did he not teach constitutional law? I believe I saw him with my own eyes saying that he had done so for ten years; a week later Gibbs was specifically denying that he had ever taught it.

Well, if he'd release any transcripts or syllabus, at least somebody could figure it out. Lying, no good, ...........

Danube of Thought

Patterico:

"From an April 14, 2009 White House press briefing (noted here):

"Helen Thomas: Why is the president blocking habeas corpus from prisoners at Bagram? I thought he taught constitutional law. And these prisoners have been there . . .

"Robert Gibbs: You’re incorrect that he taught on constitutional law."

hit and run

DoT:
On a related point, did he or did he not teach constitutional law? I believe I saw him with my own eyes saying that he had done so

Who you gonna believe, your lying eyes and Barack Obama on the campaign trail, or Robert Gibbs now?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/03/30/politics/p132303D74.DTL&type=politics>"I was a constitutional law professor, which means unlike the current president I actually respect the Constitution," Obama told an audience at a campaign fundraiser.

Well, "I was a constitutional law professor" doesn't prove that he actually taught constitutional law. (arguments over "professor" and "senior lecturer" notwithstanding.

He could have just taught black liberation theology and had his students learn the Muslim call to prayer in perfect Arabic in his classes for all we know at this point.

Danube of Thought

Powerline:

"Gibbs probably meant that Obama didn't teach the marquee course called 'Constitutional Law,' but instead taught courses dealing with various aspects of constitutional law, notably the equal protection clause. If Hillary Clinton or the Republicans had tried to make such a distinction, they would properly have been ridiculed for their effort.

"Obama could use a new spokesperson."

Boatbuilder

IIRC, something like 17% in a recent poll said "torture" should "never" be used by our gov't. The rest either said they were in favor of torturing suspected jaywalkers, that torture is ok some of the time, or that torture should only be used in extreme circumstances.
If the use of a relatively mild and debatable form of "enhanced interrogation" on three known terror network leaders with knowledge of ongoing terror plots against the US is not the type of "extreme circumstance" that justifies the use of waterboarding to the somewhat squeamish portion of the population, what is?

Fresh Air

In fairness to Gibbs, illegal combatants are not entitled to the protections of the U.S. constitution. Though, it's also correct that he did not teach constitutional law. He was a "guest lecturer" on horseshit.

glenda

Spector???
So, he officially becomes a lefty loon. He has been voting with them and partying with them for a long time. And he has 0 chance of keeping his seat in '10 as a republican.
Does anyone think we'll hear or read in the media the lashing they gave Joe Lieberman in the past for supporting some Bush policies and John McCain? They trashed him.
They will praise Spector as a patriot.
Spector will be on the unemployment list, soon, along with many others who put themselves before country. Now, how long will that list be? 747 flyovers, witchunts
and "left wing extremism" and governments' role in destroying the personal wealth of the middle class in America and small businesses, media re-education camps--it all will help in getting our country back to what the founders envisioned. The spectre of "Spector" will be eliminated, by none other than his own greed for power and his absence of backbone. Chris Matthews--now's your chance! Pennsylvanians don't suffer fools, well! Oh, there is Casey, but I still think they confuse him with his Dad.

Danube of Thought

What Specter is actually saying is "My internal polls show me getting my plow cleaned in a Republican primary, so I'm going where I'll have a better chance. My principles remain unchanged, although I am the only living human who knows what those principles are."

narciso

That calls for a bumpersticker, DoT, how're you doing Glenda; how's the family?

cathyf

I dunno, narciso, if I try to put something 5 lines long on a bumper sticker, it's going to be in such tiny type that I'll be continuously rear-ended by people trying to get close enough to read it.

(Have you seen the price of body work? Last year some moron in an SUV backed into my van in a parking lot and disappeared. Even with 100% of the damage confined to the back door, it still cost $2500 to fix. Heck, when my husband clipped a deer that caused $1000 in damage. Imagine that -- the damn deer walked away (ok, limped away) and it cost $1000!)

fdcol63

I want an investigation into torture techniques.

And I want to know why each of the residents of Gitmo were NOT interrogated with "enhanced" techniques.

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