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April 27, 2009

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Charlie (Colorado)

This is definitely going to push him over 1 error per day for the first 100 days.

lurking

Why couldn't the New York City police, or the Mayor just say no? It doesn't take a genius to anticipate the reaction. A lot of people had to be brain dead for this to happen, including some in the Air Force.

clarice

The mayor is furious--he says he wasn't told.

lurking

OK, OK, OK, read the link first; the mayor was out of the loop. Now, for those paranoid among us, this was obviously a message to Goldman Sachs to succumb to Geithner.

lurking

Heh, some bird colonel is about to be busted to captain and sent to 'Nam, I mean Nomad's Land.

clarice

I KNEW IT__NSA was not the agency tapping Harman's calls:
[quote]COLLEGE PARK, Md. - The National Security Agency did not place a wiretap that reportedly intercepted phone conversations made by Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., the top U.S. intelligence official said Monday.

Dennis Blair, the national intelligence director, declined to say which agency requested the reported wiretap and oversaw the information gleaned from Harman's conversations. Blair was speaking at the dedication of a new intelligence research facility.

The only other agency that has authority to place wiretaps on calls inside the United States is the Justice Department. It requires court approval.
[/quote]
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30439078/

The NSA story never made any sense.

Sue

Good grief. I just watched a video of the plane and the people running (it's at Ace's place). The screaming of the people and the jet is unbelievable. What a stupid, stupid, stupid thing to do.

matt

nope, Lurking, it was done on the orders of the White House. The military office wanted to update some photos, probably with some subliminal Obama message. The WH has issued an official apology.

Barry Dauphin

If this had happened when Bush was president, ______________ (fill in the blank).

anduril

link to viedeos:

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2009/04/osama-is-dead.html?cid=6a00d83451b2aa69e201157057a858970b#comment-6a00d83451b2aa69e201157057a858970b

centralcal

Actually, Barry, if this would have happened during Bush, lawsuits would have already been filed by now - lots of 'em. I read that ambulances were called for some pregnant women.

If anyone miscarries, I still bet their is a lawsuit.

anduril

clarice, I wouldn't say that the NSA angle "didn't make any sense," but this certainly puts a different angle on things.

anduril

Jay Cost is unhappy: Obama the Sophist

PeterUK

Class! Real class.

Mickey

It is amazing that it did not occur to anybody that this may cause some anxiety. Flying low over lower Manhattan resembles something that happened not too long ago and it just slipped their minds?
Why is it so important to get these extremely expensive photos anyway?

PMII

This is still Bush's fault....

Clarice, Will anything come of it?

Barry Dauphin

centralcal

Can't Obama simply bring them back from the dead?

Captain Hate

Why is it so important to get these extremely expensive photos anyway?

This is probably one of the more frugal things that Preznit DynOmite has done.

btw, do any of you good people know how to make this f***ing software erase a previous linky?

Extraneus

Flying low over lower Manhattan resembles something that happened not too long ago and it just slipped their minds?

Sorry, I know this is a light-hearted post, but the real events of 9/11 slipped their minds within days of 9/11.

My recollection is that they immediately fought hard to censor the videos of the towers falling, and especially of the people jumping to their deaths rather than be burned alive. Within weeks, they went so far as to eliminate flags from places of employment on the grounds that some people might be offended.

It's inarguable that they were horrified at the brief outburst of patriotic symbolism.

It's little wonder that they'd have forgotten what actually happened on 9/11, and all evidence supports that they have.

Annoying Old Guy

Despite having lived at the time of the event[1], the 11 Sep attacks are to Obama and his crew as the Pearl Harbor attack is to my children. It would never occur to them that people might duck if planes with Japanese marking flew low over the harbor.

[1] I was going to write "experienced" but I think that would be inaccurate.

PeterUK

Many of them probably had a joint on and just said "Wow! This is good shit".

pagar

Can't Obama simply bring them back from the dead?

I think some leftist politician tried to get John Kerry to do that, when Kerry was running, and it failed.

We’ll get back to John Edwards’ extraordinary comment about how the Kerry/Edwards ticket will cause cripples to walk and raise the dead.
PeterUK

"I think some leftist politician tried to get John Kerry to do that"

Yes,but it worked on Lurch.

MayBee

Someone needs to embroider a pillowcase for Obama that says "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure".
It would have come in handy during the AIG bonus outrage, and it would have come in handy for this.

It would have been so EASY for the WH to have the NY/NJ radio and television news stations broadcast this was going to take place. People would have been prepared for it

clarice

"This is still Bush's fault....

Clarice, Will anything come of it? "

The overflight? Caldera's already been busted.
Ot the Harman thingy? If it's that my finger of suspicion returns to that yutz of yutzed, David Szady ..

PaulL

Did you all see this at The Corner today, on Pres. Bush's first 100 days?

****
At their joint press conference, Gephardt and Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle "gave Bush a report card. On education, they gave him an incomplete, on military reform an F, also an F on Medicare reform, energy policy, campaign finance reform and on environmental protection an F- minus. The report card is much harsher than the grades Daschle gave the president just a few days ago."

Daschle was shown in an April 23 interview saying, "I guess I would give him an A-plus for his first 30 days, a B-plus for his second 30 days, and a C-minus for his third 30 days, and — and probably a better grade his last 10, given the China situation."

CNN added, "Three days later, Daschle's A, B's and C's have apparently turned to F's."
****

LUN for the full thing.

Extraneus

*yutzes*!

(Doing my part to save Clarice time to do what she does best.)

Charlie (Colorado)

If anyone miscarries, I still bet their is a lawsuit.

Surely there's no way to sue the Preznit or the federal government for something like that. Sovreign immunity, that sort of thing.

Extraneus

Gee, I thought they were helping with the bankruptcy filing.

US to take majority GM stake

clarice

Thanks, extraneus.

DrJ

Thanks, ext from here too. I was hoping for a thread on this today, as the early reports did not show how of GM much the Feds and the Unions would own.

Over half! Wow.

:( the local ski resort up the hill closed for the season.

:) no bee shortage this year. Looks like a bumper crop!

Extraneus

Hey, just a simple government takeover. No big deal, happens all the time.

I had already intended to scratch GM from any future purchase decisions, but now I would refuse a rental.

peter (Lenten Sunday dispensation)

I was hoping for a thread on this today

Because we all know Tom has been really lazy of late in starting new threads.

DrJ

If I read right (and I might not have) that sets the value for GM at about $20bn. Not much, really.

centralcal

"Surely there's no way to sue ..."

Chaco, there is always a way to sue. (sadly)

I wonder if those who were briefly terroized today weren't traumatically returned to September 11th and the feelings they had that day and the ones that followed. Not a really good way for Zero to ring in his Hallmark 100 Days.

DrJ

Tom has been torturing us with new threads.

Jane

if this would have happened during Bush...

It would have been shot down.

centralcal

The best part of Tapper's comments are those by Fascist Hyena. A close second is DrJohn.

I give you credit for taking on Ryan C (an Axleturfer who has taken up residence there) and batting him around the room, day after day after day.

Rick Ballard

"Not much, really."

More than it's worth though. I wonder if AIG sold some nice CDS on GM bonds. If more than 10% of the bonds have a CDS contract backing them up then GM's bluff will be called - and the Feds will wind up pouring more money into AIG to cover the contracts. The UAW appears to own the corpse of Chrysler as well.

The Dance of the Zombies continues.

clarice

Harman was obviously picked up on an FBI tap related to the AIPAC case itself and the odds that the source of the leak about the call was David Szady or someone working with him are increased and even greater than they already were.

DrJ

The Dance of the Zombies continues.

Indeed. I do know that this is just a proposal, and if I were a bond holder, I would reject it. But this whole thing is just unbelievable.

I'm glad we own no GM or Chrysler products.

Pofarmer

It seems to me like the response shows people HAVEN'T forgotten 9/11. Maybe it's a little Karmic retribution to remind folks while Zero is giving up all our state secrets and trying to prosecute those who've kept us safe.

richard mcenroe

Obama assigns himself new title

richard mcenroe

Obama assigns himself new title

pagar

The UAW appears to own the corpse of Chrysler as well.

Has anyone actually owned a Fiat? IMO, the combination of unions and Fiat might keep Chrysler open for another 30 to 45 days. I just don't see anyone rushing to buy a Chrysler because Obama will be backing the warranty and Fiat will be providing the union employees to do the warranty work. Personally, I would be more inclined to buy one if it did not have Fiat involved.

MarkJ

Good thing Lord Zero ain't in the major leagues: this Manhattan airplane idiocy is the kind of thing that would send him back down to a Single-A club to "work on his pitching skills."

DrJ

Has anyone actually owned a Fiat?

My family did as a kid, and actually the 128 we had was a pretty decent car. The engineering was superb; the materials were shoddy. For an in-town car, it was very good.

My brother learned how to fix cars with his 12mm wrench on that Fiat. He inherited it, and chose to commute long distances in it. That was not its strength.

That was a long time ago, and I've no idea how they do these days.

Parking Space

it was Bush's fault that the photos needed to be updated

DrJ

*when I was a kid*

 Ann

Extraneus, Did you see what Larry Kudlow posted earlier today?:


Geithner: The Fox Guarding the Henhouse? [Larry Kudlow] NRO

Ignatz

-More than it's worth though.-

Leave it to Barry and friends to use our money to make themselves majority shareholders in another company shortly before it enters bankruptcy.

Actually Fiats are rather nice little cars these days and technically Ferraris and Maseratis are Fiats now as well, since they're both subsidiaries.

Ignatz

As is Alfa Romeo I might add.

clarice

Well as long as I'm paying I'll take a Maserati, thanks.

Captain Hate

Has anyone actually owned a Fiat?

Bwak: Fix It Again Tony. I don't think you own one per se; I think you share custody with the repair shop. A buddy of mine echoed DrJ's experience. He had just graduated with a masters in engineering and took a great amount of time to research the design characteristics of a gazillion cars and decided that some early 70s Fiat was truly the best designed. Which it may have been but it was hard convincing him of that when his fuel pump was perpetually on the fritz. He unloaded it pretty quickly.

clarice

Maybe the new GM-Fiat will make money after all. It's like those companies that give away the copying machines and charge you a million dollars for toner over its lifetime.

BR

Today's Air Force 1 incident is outrageous.

I have so many questions:
Was it again incompetence or intentional?
Intentional psychological warfare on citizens?
Intentional 10-minute drop in stock market?
Who gained financially?
Why the order to keep it secret from the public?
Who were all involved, who thought it up?
Why a photo op? For what use? Al Jazeera?
Just photoshop the g-d plane against the
background, for goodness' sakes.

PD

It's true our President's resume was a little thin on actual accomplishments, but it does seem a bit odd that he'd want to add "Terrorist" to pad it out.

PD

BR, to add to your questions:

How much did this cost us?

Or, as Greta just put it on her show, How much did these New Yorkers pay to have themselves scared to death?

Dave
Has anyone actually owned a Fiat?
My friend Steve had one. It had decent 0-60 timing most of the time; the rest of the time it depended on how fast the tow truck was.
JM Hanes

Caldera said, "Last week, I approved a mission over New York."

Has anyone asked who submitted this mission for approval? Or who decided that a new, iconic photo was needed? Is anybody else hearing yet another staffer being thrown under a bus? How emblematic is it that "aides" say the Prez was furious when he "learned of" the jaunt and that "Senior administration officials conveyed the president’s anger" to Caldera? Which was duly conveyed to the press, which conveyed said displeasure to the public. How about conveying some regret to the folks in lower Manhattan instead of putting out the usual it-wasn't-me defense?

This was the President's back up plane, for goodness sake, and the White House just can't fathom how it ended up doing a photo op with the Statue of Liberty? I do hope someone calculates this little episode's carbon footprint, and the next one too, of course, because this shot is not exactly the kind of iconic that the White House can use.

It is so terribly sad to contemplate the panic in New York. I don't think I can manage to watch the video.

A.C. McCloud

Sounds like a good first suggestion for Obama's new suggestion box.

JM Hanes

Oh yeah, forgot to mention that Caldera directed the White House Military Office. Are we really supposed to believe he could just send the President's "look alike" plane out wherever & whenever he pleased? Everything about this screw up and the buck passing that followed is just plain crummy and completely unsurprising.

clarice

Many many slots remain unfilled and those that are filled are by buns like Geithner and dopes like Napolitano and Caldera.

Obama is making Carter look good.

All of you who think that he's ready for the next few months--with a nuclear armed Taliban in Pakistan and another fission frisson out of Iran raise your hands.

And I'm at ground zero, dammit.

clarice

**buMs***

Stephanie

From Ace's:

Isn't it fabulous how Obama has reconciled with our enemies and put fear into the hearts of Americans? Does any image illustrate so neatly the wrongheadedness of the Obama administration than Americans scrambling in terror from Air Force One?

And on the 99th day He said "Let There Be Panic"
And there was panic.
And the Prez saw the panic, that it was good.

LUN

narciso

Hell, he's making James Buchanan look good,

PD

**buMs***

I read "buns" and thought you meant short for "bunnies".

lurking

The 124, sedan and roadster. Have there been prettier cars? Well, yeah, but not many. I remember a late '60s Mazda that wasn't imported.

lurking

Well, sure, the Mazda Luce, styled by Giorgetto Giugiaro of Bertone.

Carl Pham

I dunno. I've been around long enough to remember Nixon being inaugurated, and I do not recall an Administration that has made as many unforced stupid teenage errors in its first three months.

I mean, sure, Kennedy had his Vienna Summit and Bay of Pigs, and Nixon had his Watergate, Reagan his Iran-Contra, et cetera and so forth, a long sad line of booboos. But these are different, these are adult errors, the result of trying to pierce the murky crystal ball, foretell a chancy and weird future and getting it wrong.

I've never seen a bunch of alleged grown-ups do so many things your average 18-year-old with good sense would know not to do, from the tax-cheat nonsense to Napolitano's doofus memo to Clinton with her stupid button, the inability to staff Treasury or DHS, no one at home at CDC or NASA, Tim Geithner stuttering about his (lack of) plans, and on and on.

Apparently, experience counts after all. Who knew?

daddy

Good Morning.

A nice shot of some ">http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap090420.html"> Martian Sand Dune formations to start your day:)

Extraneus

Cool, daddy-o.

No, Ann, I hadn't seen that NRO post from Kudlow.

Get this: The GM bondholders own $27 billion and they’re getting 10 percent of the common stock in an expected exchange. And the UAW owns $10 billion of the bonds and they’re getting 40 percent of the stock. Huh? Did I miss something here? And Uncle Sam will have a controlling share of the stock with something close to 50 percent ownership. And no bankruptcy judge. So this is a political restructuring run by the White House, not a rule-of-law bankruptcy-court reorganization.
How is that legal? Aren't there still courts?

Dorothy Jane

We owned a Fiat in 1980. The cadillidic (sp?) converter blew while we were driving from Portland, Or to Billings, Mt. We spent a weird two days in Pendleton, Or. It was an oddly quiet town with few people on the street. I'm sure it is lovely, but my impression was very Roswell, NM - I expected to bump into aliens. Because of this quirkiness, I remember the experience fondly - I found some fun old knitting books in a deserted antique shop while we waited for parts. I think we stayed at a motel with coin operated T.V.'s which only played for 25 minutes of a thirty minute show. We were very young and the whole thing was such an adventure.

After that - the Fiat worked fine for many years. It was very cute. Blue.

pagar

And the UAW owns $10 billion of the bonds and they’re getting 40 percent of the stock.

The Obama administration required that equity fund at least 50 percent of Chrysler's $10.6 billion obligation to a union-run trust that will take over retiree health care costs starting next year, according to the summary.

Wonder what the odds of there being some fraud, sooner or later?

lonetown

I just read Obama laughed his azz off!

Jane

How is that legal? Aren't there still courts?

My guess is by agreement - twisted arm agreement.

The real question is who gets what later for the agreement.

Shareholders unite - or something.

clarice

Many of his mistakes, esp on the international scene , are not being well-covered or are two complicated for voters to pay attention to or grasp the error in, but stuff like the Geithner nomination, Napolitano memo and this nonsense over NYC are infuriating and easy to understand and impossible for the media to hide. Styrofoam pillars and dances with celebs cannot continue to disguise the fact that this man is out of his league.

clarice

(blushing)

**TOO complicated*

jimmyk

Many of his mistakes...are not well-covered

If they are covered, it's usually with a preface like "The normally smooth-running Obama administration...." You wonder if the journalists coming up with this stuff can keep from laughing as they write it.

jimmyk

Many of his mistakes...are not being well-covered

Hmm, imagine that! If they are covered, it's usually with a preface like "The normally smooth-running Obama administration...." You wonder if the journalists coming up with this stuff can keep from laughing as they write it.

Neo

Somewhere, "Scooter" Libby is watching it all and shaking his head.

Extraneus

I like that, "Scooter" Pelosi. Hope it sticks.

Extraneus

Looks like the WSJ is holding a Pelosi Truth Commission hearing, too.

The Politics of Liberal Amnesia

rse

Clarice -

How is the Sidwell Friends autographed magazine covers story playing in DC?

Told my kids last night we're going to have to invent a new word to describe the level of acute narcissism displayed by both Obamas.

Extraneus

No linking allowed?

The Politics of Liberal Amnesia

verner

April gallup for first 100 days--Barry ain't doin too good. From the Wa Times:

According to Gallup's April survey, Americans have a lower approval of Mr. Obama at this point than all but one president since Gallup began tracking this in 1969. The only new president less popular was Bill Clinton, who got off to a notoriously bad start after trying to force homosexuals on the military and a federal raid in Waco, Texas, that killed 86. Mr. Obama's current approval rating of 56 percent is only one tick higher than the 55-percent approval Mr. Clinton had during those crises.

Old Lurker

Where can I buy some of the 11% of GM shares that are not going to be owned by the union or the government? Yep. That's the ticket to rebuilding my 401K. Who could run the company better that Geithner and the UAW?

Mustang0302

Connecting some dots, here.

At least one of the escorting F-16s was from the Alabama ANG, Red Tail and all.

Could this photo op mission have any particular connection to a new movie due out this year?

Could that connection explain the WHMO's eagerness to get some current glamour shots of BHO's A/C, escorted by the descendants of the Tuskegee Airmen, while flathatting over "the target formerly known as Ground Zero"?

Just imagine the powerful, beautiful imagery of these aircraft during this mission, accompanied by a stirring soundtrack, playing over the closing credits, or released as publicity stills or fundraising fodder - "Yes, America, sleep well...BHO's got you covered."

Well, minus the terrified, fleeing citizens on the ground, of course. Ooops. Caldera, you take this one.

"Mission Accomplished", indeed.

Naw, I'll bet I'm wrong. Coincidences, all...surely.

clarice

Interesting Mustang.

tse I'm not in any big DC gossip loop (outside the neocon cabal of course) but the WaPo society section notes that Clinton made a lot more for Sidwell offering up fancier gifts(like an autographed copy of his inaugural address), bidding up items in person and attending the event himself.

Sidwell is where all those Dem pols and do gooders (like Marian Wright Edelman) send their kids after fighting against vouchers and charter schools for other kids. (It used to be for jewish kids barred from St Albans and Cathedral school--or thrown out of public school like ex CIA director John Deutsch).

hit and run

Carl:
Apparently, experience counts after all. Who knew?

Well, here goes...

Don't blame me, I voted for McCain the only candidate with actual executive experience in the election ... from either party ... on the top or bottom of the ticket.

narciso

Is there even a legal basis for this, the Youngstown Steel seizure case, seems like small potatoes, in comparison. This is piracy letting the shareholders keep 11% of the shares, and the Treasury and the Unions
splitting the rest. Hyman Roth, (the
Godfather's Lansky manque, wouldn't have envisioned this)Danny Ocean, just might though.

Rick Ballard

OL,

Although the chance to own a bit of ZombieMotors certainly sounds exciting I believe I'll wait until the bondholders decide whether BK pays better than a haircut which involves removal of the head. After all, there are CDS contracts equivalent to 100% coverage of bonds outstanding.

In another act of the TurboZero opera bouffe, Dance of the Zombies, B of A and Citi are going to have to take a make up exam after having what I am sure are very minor problems with their stress tests.

Do you think that BAC or C might offer a better return than GM in ZombieLand?

Sue

OMG, Mustang, that will be amazing if true.

Annoying Old Guy

We seem to have moved well past the point where "legal basis" has any relevance.

Sue

Mustang,

Did you find that somewhere? I ask because if you didn't, we should send it to tips at Greta, Bill O'Reilly or Sean. They will have the producers that can ask the question.

Old Lurker

Rick, it is truly going to be very entertaining to watch how the GM CDS exposure rolls through AIG and lands in the punch bowl.

It is so frustrating watching this in slow motion. We all know how this story ends: No enterprise run by unions and the government can survive against global "real" companies. So in the end, GM becomes worthless, taking the present and future taxpayer "investments" with it (Airbus...).]

Not to mention the soon to be "protectionist" moves as Treasury tries to paper over the puppy. (Again...Airbus)

As the bondholders are not stupid (well maybe not stupid again, depending on the CDS coverage), they of course know the 11% of stock they will get will become instantly worthless so in effect, they are being asked to take nothing for their bonds.

PeterUK

Obama - Broken Promises.
Barrack Hussein Opacity fail to put bills on-line.

Mustang0302

Sue,

"Exclusive: Must Credit Mustang0302 via JOM."

Sue

Mustang,

Great. I am sending the possible tip to as many outlets that I can find emails for.

Sue

hit and run

The WaTimes via verner:

Mr. Obama's current approval rating of 56 percent is only one tick higher than the 55-percent approval Mr. Clinton had during those crises.

To be fair -- Clinton's 55% at the end of April was about to become distant memory..

May 10-12 -- 45
May 21-23 -- 44
Jun 5-6 -- 37
Jun 18-21 -- 39

From there he recovered back into the 40s for the summer, getting back into the 50s in September.

I doubt Obama will see the 30s in May. Not that he doesn't deserve it, of course.


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