Powered by TypePad

« Obama Is Even Greater Then We Realize | Main | And Byron York's Point Is... »

April 29, 2009

Comments

PeterUK

There would need to be several film crews for a movie,both in the air and on the ground.If it were a pursuit movie,there would be one on Obamabus II.

centralcal

I dunno, I like theories as well as the next person . . . so the movie theme could be it.

I know! What if Obama wanted to meet with someone really top secret? Scare Force One seems like a convenient and comfortable place to do it.

 Ann

Filming of the movie "Salt" is at the Grumman Aerospace Plant 5 in Bethpage, N.Y. There are movie pictures of Jolie in New York and Washington D.C over the last couple of months.

Pitt and Jolie moved their family to Oyster Bay, N.Y. (on Long Island) for her to film the movie.

If I had to bet, that stunt had something to do with the movie.

PeterUK

cc,
I believe there are special rooms for that.

Porchlight

When you think about how fast the actual flyby of lower Manhattan must have been

JMH, thanks for bringing that up b/c that's another question I have. I saw several reports that said the flyover lasted 30 minutes. 30 minutes! Can that be true? Certainly a number of people managed to catch video and it wasn't all cell phone video, either.

So if true, a flyover of that length implies that they must have wanted extensive footage. That is not proof that some of those shots were intended to catch crowd reaction, but it's also no indication that this was supposed to be an "in-n-out" deal.

Again, I'm not at all wedded to the notion that they intended to film scenes on the ground. Just pointing out that the length of the flyover points to film footage, rather than still pix, being shot.

centralcal

Okay, PUK, lousy idea, I guess. (No eeeevil George Soros kicking back on AF1 looking out over Ground Zero with a sneer.)

The fly over New York, the planned and cancelled one over Washington DC sure does tie in neatly with the movie Salt. I just wonder where all the fancy, schmancy film crews were positioned that nobody noticed them.

Porchlight

JMH, sorry, I realize now that you might have been talking about the flyby of lower Manhattan vs. the rest of the flyby including the Statue of Liberty. But anyone who has spent ten minutes there knows what a vista lower Manhattan commands. It would hardly matter how much time was actually spent "over" Manhattan.

The pilots had to have a good idea of the panic they were causing and I bet they didn't enjoy that mission at all.

hit and run

PUK:
I believe there are special rooms for that.

Well, http://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse/3484834258/>Obama has it backwards as to who goes under the desk...

MayBee

For a scene like this, the second team would just be on the ground (or in a building) with a camera, or in several places with a camera.
If they aren't filming actors and aren't going to try to recreate the same shot over and over, they don't need dolly tracks, sound booms, lighting, etc. It wouldn't necessarily be something that stands out as a film production.

RichatUF

Is anyone doing a liveblog on the Obama Presser?

clarice

Looks like the SCOTUS is about to give the Voting Rights Act a long deserved haircut:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-court-civil-rights30-2009apr30,0,5360219.story>Equal treatment for the south

Mustang0302

Movie or not, has any reporter asked how the airspace was cleared in advance for this stunt yet?

I'd like to hear from a guy like Barry Schiff, or Rod Machado, for example.

Regardless of why those A/C were maneuvering in congested airspace at low altitude, or who it was that either requested or authorized the stunt in the first place, the fact that they were there was extremely hazardous!

How would any other aircraft airborne in that area know that a VC-25A and a couple of F-16s were going to "suddenly" appear over NY harbor?

No TFRs in effect, no NOTAM published?

If I blunder into the wrong category of controlled airspace in a Piper Warrior, I'm gonna have to answer to the FAA Administrator or get to practice my "intercept" procedures...remember the guy in the Cessna that caused a brief evacuation of the White House the other day?

That all assumes I don't smack into another aircraft while tooling along where I'm not supposed to be in the first place, the prevention of which is the whole purpose of airspace separation, control, and classification.

Were these aircraft somehow granted an exception? How? And would it matter if none of the other pilots in the vicinity were informed of the exception? How else would some private pilot be able to avoid the hazard of a midair collision (except by "see and avoid," a sub-optimal solution when mixing high-performance aircraft and GA aircraft at low altitude over highly congested areas)?

How in the hell did a USAF Colonel and two other fighter pilots get roped into this fiasco otherwise?

I'm flabbergasted. This whole thing reeks of C-BHO's-A.

None of this resembles, in any way, any military or aviation operation I've ever heard of or been associated with, period, full-stop.

Partisan politics aside, this was a fiasco, and too many professionals were involved or implicated, justly or not, for it all to remain a secret for much longer.

Somebody's gonna leak, soon.


PeterUK

Perhaps we are taking the wrong view of this? Look at it the Chicago way,the O Man is just trying to generate some loose change,after all he has only got a job for four years.

Dave

S. Green is drunkblogging the MSM big-Ø ballwashing.

JM Hanes

RichatUF:

I need to rev up my twitter account which so far has nary a twitter to its name.

I'm trying to depress Obama's viewer numbers by waiting for tonight's text to come out. Does anybody know if the bean counters include the folks who watch the replays later? If not, I might watch it in the reruns to get the flavor of the thing. I'd already forgotten it was on tonight. Isn't that auspicious? I'll check to see if Mark Halperin has posted the prepared remarks. In the past he has put them up as soon as the embargo was lifted.

Dave

I had trouble with my connection for several minutes. Has anyone had the stones to ask about Scare Force One yet?

clarice

5:18PM Jake Tapper: “Did the previous administration sanction torture?” Prez: “I do believe [waterboarding] is torture…” And then for the first time, I think, ever, Obama didn’t place blame on Bush. Color me impressed for once.

5:19PM Bad analogy time. True: Churchill didn’t torture Germans. But he did bomb the bejeebus out of Germany (so did we), far in excess of the drubbing London received. That particular option is off the table in our modern times.

5:21PM Mark Knoller: “Could you envision yourself using [torture]?” Silly question. In dire enough straits, any president would use whatever means he had to.

5:23PM Indeed: “I will do whatever is required to keep the American people safe.” I’ll reiterate that I am against the use of torture. Nukes, too. But no President could promise never to press the button.

5:24PM TallEEbnah, PahkEEstahn. Let’s call the whole thing off.

Stephen Green writes, broadcasts, and enjoys the occasional lovely adult beverage at the home he shares with his wife and son in Monument, Colorado.

verner

Drunkblogging--gosh I wish I had thought of that.

But now that you mentioned it--grey goose time.

RichatUF

JM Hanes, can't say I blame you.

If anyone has an add'y for Michelle Maklin her FOIA to the Sect. of Defense probably wouldn't get her much. These are the agencies that off the top of my head would have responsive documents:

FAA (maybe even New York TRACON); if someone can get the tail # off the F16 a request to the Squadron; 89th Airlift Wing; Andrews (if the White House doesn't want to give up a passenger manifest get the gate logs or visitor logs from the base); and my personal favorite, the Air Force "Hollywood office" and the same at DoD level.

Someone might also call up the NY film office and figure out who had what permissions to do what where.

Dave

How about "Stupid question; Next."?

PeterUK

" True: Churchill didn’t torture Germans".

Not personally,no,but there were some very rough young gentlemen who were less than gentle and a few teutonic wrists might have got slapped.
As for bombing,after fat Hermanns finest bombed me whilst I lay gurgling in my Mickey Mouse Gas mask in a cold damp Anderson Shelter,I am less than sympathetic.

Dave

He's so grateful to our servicemen that he wants them to pay their own medical costs when they get wounded in service to the country.

Jane

Verner,

We must make a date to share grey goose together soon.

Dave

Green:

5:44PM I will buy a very strong drink for the first person who can point to just one question/answer tonight that was worthy of a primetime press conference.

Charlie (Colorado)

So, show me a leading indicator that's positive.

Where did the market close today?

What direction did consumer confidence go?

verner

Clarice, don't forget, Churchill also wanted to use chemical weapons in Iraq.

I absolutely don't know what the Churchill analogy has to do with anything. As if the "detainees" in London had anything to do with knowing when the buz bombs were going to be launched.

BO also pretty much acknowledged what Cheney et. al. said, when we see what's in those memos, we will know that, yes indeed EI worked.

Charlie (Colorado)

I know! What if Obama wanted to meet with someone really top secret? Scare Force One seems like a convenient and comfortable place to do it.

Making low, slow passes over Manhattan?

Bill in AZ

Pofarmer:
THIS is good news?

C'mon Pofarmer, journolist phrase of the day "green shoots of economic recovery", you of all people should understand that. 'Course the only green I see in the economy resembles when my cats go outside and nibble on some grass, then come back in and puke up a hairball.

verner

Anytime Jane, Your place or mine.

verner

Obama is so halting, so monotone and so long winded, I simply can't stand listening to him.

PD

"I want to disabuse people of this notion that I want to meddle in the private sector."

Jane

"I want to disabuse people of this notion that I want to meddle in the private sector."

That's the funniest thing I have heard yet!

Jane

Verner,

Let's do it at the Sept 12 Tea party in DC. We can get Clarice to join us.

verner

Way to go O'Rielly!!! Britain and the IRA.

And just read what Churchill did to the Irish.

Sheesh.

A shot o'Jamie in your honor Mr O'R.

Sue

The "official" version is a photo shoot. Where were the cameras for that?

verner

Great Jane! I'm going to do my best to get a bunch of people to come. It will be great.

Can't wait.

Jane

I consider myself officially weaned. That is the first primetime appearance of Obama I have ever missed. I watched Fox local and saw a show I had never heard of.

I'm branching out!

centralcal

Well, a worthless press conference, and a worthless press.

Major Garrett shut out - take that Fox!

Jane

Must have been the snub by the local station. CC

I must admit I did watch the liveblogging.

Elmer Stoup

Mr. Caldera is not a "non-military" type. He is a graduate of the United States Military Academy.

Clearly we need to find out who dreamed up this flight. Highly doubt it was Caldera.

Mustang0302

Video of VFR flight down the Hudson River and over NY Harbor (2:31).

Imagine yourself piloting this aircraft and suddenly sharing the same airspace as the aircraft involved in the "Red Tail" stunt.

Better to be lucky than good, I guess.

Better still to be "King," I'm sure.

Trick question: Where do you find most uncontrolled airspace in the U.S.?

(I once speculated, "In the past." Not funny.)

Actually, most uncontrolled airspace is located below controlled airspace.

A number of lives and aircraft were needlessly put at unnecessary, completely irresponsible risk during that stunt.

Maybe we'll even find out why someday.

verner

As for bombing,after fat Hermanns finest bombed me whilst I lay gurgling in my Mickey Mouse Gas mask in a cold damp Anderson Shelter,I am less than sympathetic.

My Dad was in England then, first as a soldier before they shipped him over to France, and then as a patient in a hospital near London in Feb/march 1945. Patton's 3rd.

God, can you imagine the rebuttal that Patton would now be giving to our whoosie in chief?

centralcal

Mustang0302: You certainly have our interest here. Any speculation?

Sue

I'll ask this again. Where were the cameras that were taking the pictures for the WH souvenir shots?

verner

Elmer, you are right. I heard today that Caldera was a strictly political appointment, and not the usual Admiral that they always give that position to.

And it shows.

JM Hanes

Instead of watching the Presidential presser, I decided to transcribe the One-der Boy's [can I say that and not be a racist?] comments in St. Louis, courtesy of the fabulous Gateway Pundit. You really have to watch it to get the full sneering effect, but if you suffer from air sickness, this one's for you:

So -- so -- you know -- when you -- uh -- when you see -- you know -- ya -- those of you who are watching certain news channels that -- on which I'm not very popular, and you see folks wavin' tea bags around [illustrated, disdain positively dripping], let me just remind them that I am happy to have a serious conversation about how we are going to cut our healthcare costs down over the long term, how we're going to stabilize social security. Claire and I are working diligently to do basically a thorough audit of federal spending. [That inspires confidence!] But let's not play games and pretend that the reason is because of the Recovery Act, because that's just a fraction [teeny tiny fraction illustrated for those with the sound turned off] of the overall problem that we've got. [Yada, yada, not gonna starve the little guy to feed filthy rich, and -- you know it's coming -- ] We tried that formula for 8 years. It did not work, and I don't intend to go back to it.

No need to thank me. It was a labor of love.

Mustang0302

centralcal, I don't have the slightest idea.

The movie thing only makes sense against the prevailing general background of buffoonery.

JM Hanes

DC on September 12th? I'm in!

Dave

Advancing 4-27 Troof: the souvenir shots were of Soros, Ayers, Abdullah, etc. arm-in-arm on the AF-1 couch during the joyride.

verner

YESSSS! The women of JOM march on Washington.

Hey, maybe with all of us together, we can do a shoot for a pin-up calendar! LOL

PeterUK

Only slightly OT US University finds MSM bias towards Obama.

Sue

JMH,

You are a dear. I can't listen to him. Unless he is using the teleprompter. Once he goes off the teleprompter, he is unbearable in his uhs, so's and you know's.

Pofarmer

Where did the market close today?

What direction did consumer confidence go?

Doncha think those are two exceedingly thin reeds?

Jane

DC on September 12th? I'm in!

It's gonna be a pa-aty

JM Hanes

Sue:

I have to ditto your BDS/ODS comment on the other thread. That's how I manage to listen to Obama now - if I'm going to despise the man, I might as well enjoy it. I'd have watched the presser too, if I didn't know the audience numbers were being counted.

ODS sounds a lot like odious, doesn't it? I like it!

centralcal

Ha ha ha ha HA! Odious. ODS.

Yep, I have it big time.

Is it a pandemic outbreak yet?

Sue

JMH,

Odious. I like it too.

laura

Sounds like a date to remember. I'll be there and bring the fresh faces as well.

JM Hanes

verner:

I'm thinking more along the lines of a freaky deaky protest signs calendar. :o)

JM Hanes

Yay! Laura!

JM Hanes

cc: Pandemic -- LOL!

verner

Hey That works JM, besides, I don't do swimsuits for the camera any more.

JM Hanes

verner: My official portrait is a picture of my favorite hat. Unoffical portrait is a picture of my shadow -- wearing my favorite hat.

JM Hanes

Lest anyone get the wrong impression, when I say hat, I'm talkin' Home on the Range, not Easter bonnet.

bad

Interesting, JMH.

Rick Ballard

"Doncha think those are two exceedingly thin reeds?"

They're not the thinnest of reeds but the fall in mortgage apps on top of the increase in the default rate suggest that although prices may have stopped falling, sales aren't necessarily taking off.

I've been mulling over that huge increase in personal savings. If the close to retirement group ('close' defined as up to 12 years) has taken a 25% haircut in portfolio value then the increased saving rate may be of a rather lengthy duration. That will rip the guts out of any recovery.

The "top economic minds" blew their GDP forecast by 30% (credentialed morony in action) because they failed to recognize what business planners see fairly clearly. There's a very logical basis for the 38% fall in business investment and it ain't about optimism.

clarice

I tune out for a short while to watch a movie and the next thing I know the JOM womens auxillary is planning a march in my hometown--well I'll be happy to have you all here.

Rick Ballard

"well I'll be happy to have you all here."

That's great! I prefer a small balcony with southern exposure, above the traffic noise.

verner

Nite girls. Geraldo has just given me a terrible headache.

RichatUF

I don't want to step on Charlie's toes, but an up day in the middle of a bear market rally and a consumer confidence number which has returned to its pre-Obama election lows (and coming off all time lows) are some pretty thin reeds. Businesses are burning off inventory and aren't rebuilding and laying off workers. I think the panic phase has passed, but the tinker gnomes at the UAW and Treasury won't be able to sell those deals to GM and Chrysler bondholders, nor is the bullying White House doing much to fix the banking and financial system. I think those "green shoots" I've been hearing about look like some small patches of astroturf.

I also wanted to mention to Bill in AZ that the deficit projections are based on a full year 09 GDP decline of -1.2% and 4.0% and 4.6% growth in 11 and 12.

Pofarmer

So, what's gonna drive this mythical recovery? About the only portion of the U.S. economy with a positive balance of trade is Agriculture, and it makes up just 1.2% of GDP. Other manufacturing makes up 19.8% and services make up 79%??? How in the world do you drive an economy when nearly 80% of it is service based??? Oh, and the 20% that's the productive sector is under attack.

clarice

It's only anecdotal but I'm hearing of younger couples buying foreclosed homes now that they're priced so well..and multiple bids coming in for those homes.

Pofarmer

Oh, and factor in piss poor energy policy.

Rick Ballard

Clarice,

It's a lot more than anecdotal, the bottom of the market is clearing pretty nicely, unfortunately defaults are jumping up. A foreclosure sale doesn't put "step up" money in a sellers pocket.

Rich,

With the first half at -12% it's kind of a tough slog to get to -1.2% by year end. Looks a lot like an annualized rate of 22%+. Like I said, a $2T+ deficit is in the cards. The ones holding up the Oconomy.

RichatUF

Pofarmer-

Services is a broad catagory going from hospitality to medical to engineering.

The nasty surprises with budget reconcilation in store for health care and cap-and-trade should wilt those green shoots.

bad

I heard Swine Flew is causing green stuff, but I'm not sure if it's shoots.

Pofarmer

Services is a broad catagory going from hospitality to medical to engineering.

Yes, but unless they are working for overseas interests, they are just taking a percentage from the manufacturing part of the economy, or am I just not thinking right?

RichatUF

Rick-

With the GM and Chrysler story taking up most of the column inches, I'm interested in what sort of disaster is in store for Fannie and Freddie since they are shoveling money out the front door to keep people in house which are already in default.

2 T or 2.5 T-I'm unsurprised that Obama is making sure the buck stops elsewhere when it comes to taxing and spending.

RichatUF

Pofarmer-

You're dealing with how the numbers get crunched and definitions. Here is a page. Is an electrical engineer running a lightning test on car electronics building a car or designing a car?

Rick Ballard

Rich,

Treasuries busted the range today and hardly anyone is noting that little tickle of inflation in the GDP number. The Fed/Treasury "push the rope harder" tactic looks like it may fall apart sooner than I really thought possible.

When will someone take note of the fact that the whack from interest rates returning to pre-helicopter levels is going to clobber insurance companies and pensions funds just as hard as having a nice greasy stack of MBS in the back of the bottom drawer? There's no way to avoid a mark to market for Treasuries.

RichatUF

Rick-

I haven't given it much thought but did notice that the 10 went to 3.11 today. Not sure what other tools the Fed can use if what they're doing breaks down.

Also via WSJ, looks like the Dance of the Zombies isn't going to work out for Chyrsler and that Bankruptcy Court is next. Says that the creditors talks collapsed and Fiat is walking away. I think it is a bit ambitious to think it could "come out of bankruptcy" in a matter of weeks and they'll be hard pressed to not go into liquidation. We'll see. Might wake up tomorrow and and the deal will be back on.

Pofarmer

" Is an electrical engineer running a lightning test on car electronics building a car or designing a car?"

If the car company goes under, he's still unemployed.

daddy

This is the entire letter from the Clinton White House in 1994 that resulted in the resignation of the Senior White House Official involved in the misuse of the Marine 1 Helicopter and the closing of the case:


Office of the Press Secretary

_________________________________________________________________

For Immediate Release May 26, 1994


STATEMENT OF THE PRESS SECRETARY

Chief of Staff Thomas F. (Mack) McLarty, III, has reviewed
the incident involving the use of a military helicopter by White
House Staff people on Tuesday, May 26th. After discussions with
the White House officials involved, Mr. McLarty determined their
actions were inconsistent with White House policies established
by the President last year.

In connection with this matter, Mr. McLarty made public the
following actions:

David Watkins, the senior White House official on the trip
to Camp David and the Holly Hills Golf Club in Maryland, has
submitted his resignation to President Clinton, and his
resignation has been accepted.

Alfonso Maldon, Jr., the head of the White House Military
Office, also on the trip, has been reprimanded and will be
reassigned. No other actions will be taken against personnel
involved.

Mr. McLarty further announced that taxpayers will be
reimbursed as appropriate. The Chief of Staff regrets having to
take these actions, but believes the staff's errors in judgment
made them necessary.

Philip Lader, the White House Deputy Chief of Staff, will
assume interim control of the White House Office of Management
and Administration pending a decision on Mr. Watkins'
replacement.

#

JM Hanes

hit:

I'm having way too much fun floating down the White House photostream!

In this one, Obama meets with Commanders.

In this one, Obama meets with the Sect'y of State

Aaron

If it was simply for filming a movie, wouldn't that have been a good enough excuse by itself, especially if it was about the Red Tails?

The photo op excuse is even dumber.

daddy

Just caught the Winston Churchill bit on an O'Reilly replay. It is interesting to me that Obama cited Churchill. There has long been a serious discussion of whether Churchill knew beforehand of the">http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=690">the Nazi mission to bomb Coventry on 14-15 November, 1940, but that he refused to pre-alert the city of 320,000 citizens in order to prevent the Nazi's from knowing that their code had been broken.

Don't know if it's true, and doubt we'll ever know conclusively if it's true, but with what I imagine is going to be the Media, with their woeful understanding of history, applauding Obama's comments, I think its worth discussing this instance of Churchill's actions as a Wartime Prime Minister, tasked with maintaining the safety of the British people.

Bush is under attack for ordering what Obama considers torture, in order to get timely information from KSM to prevent the deaths of massive amounts of innocent citizens. Churchill, on the other hand, supposedly intentionally failed to forewarn the targeted innocent citizens of Coventry, so that Hitler would not discover his Code had been broken, and Churchill could then use future code info to kill many, many more humans and win the war. Thats about the gist of it.

For me, I do not fault Bush with what he did, nor do I fault Churchill for what he supposedly did. But I do think that those who agree with Obama that what Bush did to protect innocent citizens was absolutely wrong, will have a tough time justifying Churchill's intentional sacrifice of innocent citizens for ulterior motives.

I doubt we'll hear any discussion of Churchill's role in the Coventry Bombings by the MSM over the next few days, but thought I would throw this out there as food for thought, as we JOMer's quickly do our own crash courses to self-educate ourselves on the details the MSM leaves out.

Captain Hate

Maybe Ann Dunham's mistake should consider how his comparing himself to Churchill plays out in Australia and New Zealand; not that this "nuanced" pos demonstrably knows anything.

Here's a bit of anecdotal balm: Even Mrs Hate, who regularly bores/irritates me with whatever twaddle the MSM is dwelling on per Bammers, couldn't stand to watch last night's fellatio-fest posing as a presser.

hit and run

JMH:
I'm having way too much fun floating down the White House photostream!

Isn't it fun! I've picked out 16 so far for a p'shop enhancement.

Captain Hate

No need to thank me. It was a labor of love.

Thanks for doing the heavy lifting JMH but every now and then I need a refresher on just what a petulant preening jackass looks and sounds like in front of his carefully chosen sycophants.

Molon Labe

This guy has info that the F-16s were from the Alabama Air National Guard.

"For starters, Air Force sources have confirmed that the F-16s that escorted the VC-25 over Manhattan are assigned to the Alabama Air National Guard, not the D.C. Guard as the AP (and other media outlets) originally reported."

In From The Cold

Molon Labe

Ah man I hate to see this issue die. But if no one talks, it's over and perhaps was just sheer stupidity.

I'll cling instead to the idea that he did it as a tribute to the 9/11 hijackers.

clarice

Molon, that is an interesting detail--it confirms more of what mustang posted, doesn't it?

Molon Labe

Well, I question his info. The Air Force cost accounting (I can't find the link where I saw it) showed the F16s airborne for under two hours. Also, they used a call sign of "Capital" which is associated with Andrews AFB, as I understand it.

daddy

Clarice,

It just struck me that back during the aftermath of the Tom Cruz F-14 "Top Gun" movie, that a Navy back seater in one of the F-14 Squadrons tied in with the movie, got officially reprimanded for using photo's he took from the cockpit during air combat scenes of the movie (and afterward) and selling it as a Squadron Calendar.
Don't know if that applies here, but just wanted to get that factoid out there so that whenever the company line comes out on all this stuff, if they try to pawn it off as a Squadron initiated thing to take photo's for some Squadron bakesale etc, we caan immediately drop the Bulls--t flag ala this previous incident.

It would not surprise me if I am a tad off on these facts but will try to get specifics.

Mustang0302

Molon & Clarice,

I doubt the Red Tailed fighters deployed from Montgomery to Andrews specifically to support this stunt; they are likely augmenting Operation Noble Eagle.

Mustang0302

Again, with links (eaten by T/P?):

Molon & Clarice,

I doubt the Red Tailed fighters deployed from Montgomery to Andrews specifically to support this stunt; they are likely augmenting Operation Noble Eagle.

Mustang0302

Another possible source of leaks concerning the story behind the Flyby?

Would the ATC union play that card during negotiations?

Those guys had to know what was going on that day.

The comments to this entry are closed.

Wilson/Plame