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June 04, 2009

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Danube of Thought

All about O.

Thomas Collins

The speech appeared to be focused more to the conciliatory internationalist folks in America than to Muslims worldwide. The speech was an exercise in reassuring the effete elite media and academic folks that Obama, with his compelling life story, is ready to transcend the differences that divide us.

But I am serene in the face of more meaningless babble spouted by our POTUS. Why? Because I took Porchlight's advice and visited Murrell's, a diner in Shreveport. There was plenty of gravy to put on my biscuits, plenty of meat and veggies stuffed into my omelette, lots of good coffee, and tasty hash browns. Even reading about Obama's speech can't ruin that type of breakfast!

Neo

In his big speech today at Cairo University, he waited for applause after he said:

“I know there has been controversy about the promotion of democracy in recent years, and much of this controversy is connected to the war in Iraq. So let me be clear: No system of government can or should be imposed upon one nation by any other.”

But there was no applause. Obama was so accustomed to wild ovations from American Democrats to lines like this, he was taken by surprise by the awkward silence.

Danube of Thought

Shreveport was the birthplace (I'm pretty sure) and home of the great Huddie Ledbetter, a.k.a. Leadbelly. Please tell me the town remembers him in some way.

clarice

I bet lots of young Arabs in the audience were just hoping for a little democracy being shoved their way.

PJTV has a good video on Obamamania:
http://www.pjtv.com/video/PJTV_Daily/_Michelle_Obama%2C_CoverGirl%3A_But_how%27s_the_coverage_between_the_covers%3F_Sonja_Schmidt%27s_Left_Exposed/1973/;jsessionid=abcZ-ZG3DsDPUacCjYRgs>Enough already,media

Ignatz

Every president I can think of, even including Clinton and Nixon, had the common decency to use their speeches to announce and delineate their beliefs and consequent policies.

Obama stands out uniquely in that he does precisely the opposite. Every speech is used to camoflage and distort what he truly intends to do.

This kind of Janus faced slickery has far more in common with third world tinhorns and marxist and fascist propaganda than it does with any historical American presidential rhetoric.

fdcol63

Indeed. The irony is that many in the Arab world, while publicly denouncing such action, would secretly appreciate the US helping to overthrow their own despots and authoritarian regimes.

Thomas Collins

I have yet to see any Leadbelly memorials, DOT, but I am going to ask around.

Captain Hate

Since Leadbelly was incarcerated for killing one person and trying to kill another, that might put the kibosh on memorials, at least in some people's minds.

centralcal

Thanks for the PJTV link, Clarice. Great piece!

PD

The irony is that many in the Arab world, while publicly denouncing such action, would secretly appreciate the US helping to overthrow their own despots and authoritarian regimes.

While the rest would like to impose their own authoritarian Shari'a regime on the rest of the world?

fdcol63

PD ... yep.

MayBee

While the message touched upon a litany of challenges, it boiled down to simply this: Barack Hussein Obama was standing at the podium as the American president.

Why is this so acceptable and even praiseworthy?
What people are saying is: The "Muslim World" is prejudiced against people of other religions, but maybe they'll listen to a guy who at least has a Muslimy middle name?
It is a bow to their bigotry, and they act as if it is a credit to us.

Would we ever read that the US would be more accepting of a Japanese Prime Minister because his name is Taro Michael Yoshiro?

rse

Thanks Clarice!

That piece is a must share especially since my daughters and I were feeling bombarded yesterday by MO's image at the Borders and supermarket checkout.

I joked that perhaps this would be a good time for a revival of Evita.

I keep thinking of the scenes about the Rainbow Tour.

Charlie (Colorado)

Mr. Obama offered few details for how to solve myriad problems and conflicts around the globe, but he offered up his own biography as a credible connection to his audience.

That pretty much describes every last damned one of his speeches, doesn't it?

RichatUF

That was a noxious speech and an open invitation to Islamists everywhere to hold out and never move from their most vile and destructive demands. I'm surprised that we haven't seen a zombie bin Laden provide his strong horse rebuttal yet.

BumperStickerist

I'm getting the sense that Billy Mays needs to be President Obama's Press Secretary.

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bad

Ibama is growing a mustache. What is that all about?

Danube of Tjought

Well, Cap'n, we have memorials to the likes of Billy the Kid, Jesse James and Wild Bill Hickock, so I don't see a manslaughter beef standing in Leadbelly's way. I understand they do have festivals for him in Shreveport from time to time. And they've got some tracks of him in the Library of Congress. "Good Night, Irene" by itself should get him some local cap.

Danube of Tjought

Local DAP...

Janet

Heard on the radio (ABC news) that Ibrahim Hooper of CAIR thought the speech was terrific. That's all you need to know.

Porchlight

Yay, glad you enjoyed breakfast at Murrell's, TC! I hope the rest of your stay in Shreveport is just as pleasant.

Danube of Thought

Posting from the Iphone ain't easy--couldn't even get my own name right.

Look, I'm sorry to go so far off topic, but this looks like a bit of a slow day, and there's something that's been driving me nuts: What the hell is the source of the president's power to take majority ownership (or any ownership at all) of an automobile company? It's my understanding that the TARP language (I haven't read it) appears to limit the authority to providing money to financial institutions, but that the language isn't entirely unambiguous.

But even if TARP specifically authorized the use of the money to aid non-financial institutions, where does the congress get the power to authorize the president to do this?

Please--if anybody knows anything about this, or sees any discussion of it anywhere, let us all know. I suspect I'm missing something...

PD

Please--if anybody knows anything about this, or sees any discussion of it anywhere, let us all know. I suspect I'm missing something...

No, you're not alone. This article asks similar questions. (Begins with a count of how often Ibama says "I" in his speeches, but moves into legality issues.)

centralcal

"Ibama is growing a mustache. What is that all about?"

It is a pretty weak one, at that, bad! Like everything else about Ibama - not quite all there.

fdcol63

Tyrants don't need authority. They just take it.

fdcol63

Obama: " ... any world order that elevates one nation over another will fail ..."

No other evidence is needed to prove that Obama does not believe that America is "exceptional" or should be a world leader.

Topsecretk9

it boiled down to simply this: Barack Hussein Obama was standing at the podium as the American president.

And voting present!

clarice

DoT McCain denied there was such authority:
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/Content/Article.aspx?rsrcid=47757

Others in Congress are now raising similar questions:
"White House (CNSNews.com) - A bipartisan coalition of 36 members of the House of Representatives--including 30 Republicans and 6 Democrats--has sent a letter to President Obama asking him to return to Congress its constitutional legislative authority to oversee the bailout of the auto industry.

In December, Congress failed to pass a bill authorizing a bailout of Chrysler and General Motors. President Bush and now President Obama, however, proceeded with a bailout process even without legislative autority. That process has cost the taxpayers billions of dollars and given the Executive Branch unilitaral and unprecedented authority to control what happens to the two major auto companies.

“While we are mindful that time is of the essence, we are respectfully requesting that you return the Auto Task Force to its important advisory role to you and your Administration, but also return the Congress’ Constitutional legislative prerogatives before it further disrupts the lives of people who work at Chrysler or live in communities that depend on it,” says the letter."

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=48791

Jane

"Ibama is growing a mustache. What is that all about?"

Perhaps it is a religious requirement.

(I can't believe I said that)

jean

DOT I've had that question since he fired the GM executive.I called my Senator and asked him to check into it.Needless to say I got no response. After seeing the mustache on Drudge,I googled Arab leaders and most of them seem to have some kind of Facial hair.Maybe it is a middle school thing.Obama just wants to fit in

Extraneus

Perhaps it is a religious requirement.

Maybe it was just for the speech.

PeterUK

" No system of government can or should be imposed upon one nation by any other.”

Obama has just declared the invasion of Iraq Illegitimate.

PeterUK

"Ibama is growing a mustache. What is that all about?"

Perhaps he is going to change his name to "Shaft",because that is what he has just done to your country.

Neo

I'm too sexy for my shirt too sexy for my shirt
So sexy it hurts
And I'm too sexy for Milan too sexy for Milan
New York and Japan

RichatUF

PUK-

He also declared a moral equlivance between the Palestinian war against Israel and the Holocaust. And he trotted out the 1960's and 70's "colonialism" arguments. It really is a revolting speech.

And in other news, the Friends of Fascism program (PPIP) has run into a bit of diffculty. LUN.

clarice

And many car dealers are suing for damages.

Let's hope there are many heels digging in.

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blacksphere.com

"Ibama is growing a mustache. What is that all about?"

He is preparing for his speech in Dresden, Germany is my quess.

Danube of Thought

Thanks, PD and Clarice. It appears to me that McCain was simply claiming that congress didn't grant him the authority to do it. My further question would be whether congress has the power to give him such a grant even if it wanted to.

Fifty years ago something like this would have been unthinkable. Recall that when Ike wanted to construct the interstate highway system, he had to couch the legislation in terms of the necessity of such a system for national defense (not as off-base as it might sound, given the role of armor in national defense planning at the time). There were, as I recall, something like eighteen enumerated purposes for which the congress was empowered to appropriate funds.

Since that time the limitations on congressional spending have all but evaporated, so that Ike's grasping for a rationale seems quaint today. I believe that the change came through judicial expansion of the interstate commerce clause, but I'm not sure. The question I have is, has the expansion gone this far? This seems quite remarkable to me.

Jack is Back!

DoT, [imagine Jack Nicholson in his Marine Colonel's uniform]

Authority? You want authority? I'll tell you about authority. I won. Damn you and your questions - your lily-livered insistence on everything being kosher. You want me out there making the tough decisions and then you have the audacity (I love that word) to question my authority. I won, mister. Is that clear? I can't hear you mister, IS THAT CLEAR?

DoT: "Crystal".

maryrose

I find this takeover of the auto companies outrageous as is the short shrift given to bond holders. Other than that letter to Obama, congress appears powerless in holding him or his minions responsible or accountable. Sounds a little Hitlerian to me...

Jane

Others in Congress are now raising similar questions:
"White House (CNSNews.com) - A bipartisan coalition of 36 members of the House of Representatives--including 30 Republicans and 6 Democrats--has sent a letter to President Obama asking him to return to Congress its constitutional legislative authority to oversee the bailout of the auto industry.

What I want to know is who has standing to sue? Theoretically every taxpayer should have standing. I think all you retired lawyers should get together and bring a class action suit on behalf of the taxpayers - because you have the time, right?

Neo

Barack the Magic 8 Ball

Danube of Thought

We got nothin' but time, Jane, but taxpayers are always deemed not to have standing--taxpayer suits never get anywhere.
My guess would be that some of the players in the GM or Chrysler bankruptcies would certainly have standing to raise the basic constitutional issue, but there's gotta be a reason why they haven't done so. I just don't know what that reason might be. Where is CBolt when we need him?

Just doing a little Google-Wikipedia type research, it is clear that we are talking about the congressional appropriations powers enumerated in Article 1. The Commerce Clause and the Necessary and Proper Clause have been the most elastic (in the judiciary's view), but I'm simply not aware of any case that has said the congress can go this far.

ben

Look, The Messiah understands that all these centuries and decades old ethnic, political and religious based conflicts in the Middle East can be resolved by a feel good speech in Cairo. It's amazing nobody ever thought of it before.

Original MikeS

Obama placed the responsibility for peace in the Middle East entirely with Israel. He apparently believes that if Israel would just cave to Hamas and if Iran had a few nuclear reactors, peace and prosperity would blossom there.

clarice

I want the pension funds screwed by the Administration's treatment of the bondholders, the dealers euchered out of millions of dollars and people like that to challenge the govt--they have specific , easy to see harms and in the case of the dealers probably can even show political considerations played a major role.

clarice

This seems to me to pose a nice justiciable claim:
"
In this Sept. 12, 2008 file photo, assembly operator Yolanda Germany looks over door molding on Chrysler's new 2009 Dodge Ram pickup at the Warren Truck Plant in Warren, Mich. (AP Photo/Carlos Osorio, file)(CNSNews.com) – A lawsuit from the state of Indiana challenging the constitutionality of using federal Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) funds for automakers, is headed to a federal appeals court.

While most public attention this week focused on the bankruptcy of General Motors, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit in New York halted the sale of Chrysler to Italian automaker Fiat Group, announcing it would hear arguments from the Indiana State Police Pension Fund, the Indiana Teacher’s Retirement Fund, and the Major Moves Construction Fund on Friday at 2 p.m."

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=49096

jimmyk

I find this takeover of the auto companies outrageous as is the short shrift given to bond holders.

Well, I have some sympathy for Obama. He's got to pay off the UAW somehow, and he can't exactly just cut a check from the Treasury and send it to them, so this seems like the next best thing.

Any other questions?

But seriously, something is wrong with the checks and balances in our system if there is no one who has standing to stop a president from doing something outside the bounds of his authority. Otherwise we are stuck with trusting our elected leaders to have enough integrity to play by the rules. I guess that's been pretty adequate for 222 years (with a few exceptions like FDR in the 1930s), but this seems like a lousy time to find out that we have no power to stop this. Maybe Jefferson was right about that tree of liberty business.

Jane

the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit in New York halted the sale of Chrysler to Italian automaker Fiat Group, announcing it would hear arguments from the Indiana State Police Pension Fund, the Indiana Teacher’s Retirement Fund, and the Major Moves Construction Fund on Friday at 2 p.m."

Is that this Friday, an hour and a half ago?

Does anyone else think the president's speech writer is about 14 years old amd makes stuff up.


Danube of Thought

Jane, I think that is tomorrow, Friday. And it's my very poorly informed understanding that even were the judge to find some constitutional infirmity, the plaintiffs would be limited to money damages, and there would be no injunction stopping the whole thing.

What about the shareholders? Even though they were virtually wiped out, were they entitled under the by-laws to any say in the transfer of ownership? What, exactly, the hell happened here? There was a loan--per TARP--and then the loan was forgiven, and then the government is going to emerge from bankruptcy with a stake in the company. As they used to say in the comic books, What the?

Danube of Thought

Well the guy makes stuff up, that's for sure. He pulled that 7 million American Muslims figure right out of his ass, and there is universal acknowledgement today that it is off by a factor of at least two.

clarice

This coming Friday, Jane.

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Danube of Thought

OK--here are some interesting comments (via the Corner) from a Penn law prof named Skeel. No mention of any constitutional issues, but he does raise a very fundamental question:

"Essentially what this sale is, is a reorganization plan, and the basic rule in the case law on sales of assets in bankruptcy is you can only do a pure sale. You can't do a stealth reorganization plan. You can't short-circuit the bankruptcy process through a sale. And if there ever was a stealth reorganization plan that really is deciding what everyone gets, this is it. [...]

"For me, one of the big issues with the approval of the sale of Chrysler is whether other debtors are going to be able to do the same thing, and whether this is going to create a risk of really manipulative transactions, and I think it may. I think the next bankruptcies down the pike might try to use some similar maneuvers, which have the effect of short-circuiting the bankruptcy process. [...]

"I think the danger is if other corporations try to take a cue from what the government's doing with Chrysler and GM is: ABC Corp. files for bankruptcy. Insiders of the company decide they want to sell the company to themselves on the cheap. They set up the new entity called New ABC Company. They decide which creditors they like, and they allow those creditors to participate in the new entity, and they do a quick sale in bankruptcy."

And a credulous press--including the financial press--stands by and watches, slack-jawed and silent.

clarice

You may be right about that DoT..But when and if these claims are acknowledged more in Congress might get some spine..On top of the billions pissed away will be billions more in claims.

RichatUF

DoT-

The Chrysler situation was a bit more straight forward because there were no shareholders and between the bondholding TARP banks (up around 70%) and Treasury (forgave the original TARP payment and provided DIP financing) they have more than enough stake to squeeze out any non-TARP bondholders. I really am at a loss as to how the bankruptcy judge could allow a 363 bankruptcy for GM when there is only the US Treasury and a shell "New GM" as the buyer. In the Chrysler sale the administration at least had the Fiat figleaf. A few hangouts that I think the administration could use though-the Brady Bonds issued to bail out US banks and South America in the 80's, the sovereign debt default crises during the 90's, LTCM (though that was mostly a Fed operation), and Kelo. I also think the original TARP language included any firm which posed "systemic risk" to the financial sector and whose failure would be disruptive to the real economy (I'll look it up later if you're still interested, but it was the same language used for the ever evolving AIG bailout). Using that language GM obviously qualifies, but I don't really see Chrysler fitting under it.

Don't think I shed any light on the issues however;(

RichatUF

Oh, DoT, I was working on my comment before you posted that stuff from Skeel, sorry.

Frau Jedöns

A little song, a little dance ...From PUK's link to the Times:
No one in the Arab world can remember anything quite like it. An American president quoted from the Koran, recalled his own experiences of living in a Muslim country (Indonesia), and emphasised his family’s connections to Islam.
Above all he showed great humility, a respect for Islamic traditions and the Muslim world. He looked and sounded genuine. As did the spontaneous applause from the audience in Cairo, which was punctuated by the odd shout of “we love you”."

"Above all he showed great humility, a respect for Islamic traditions and the Muslim world." Any humility comes from working with a "flawed" U.S.constitution, as he sees it.
One question, did the U.S. president bring down the house with his knockout imitation of the muezzin's call to prayer?
Overall, Dennis Prager found some good things in the speech while CAIR liked it because Ibama promised to restore the organization's ability to collect funds for terrorism, er, charity.

Pofarmer

What I want to know is who has standing to sue?

Same folks who have standing to sue over his birth certificate?

Neo

“IT WAS ISLAM… that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe’s Renaissance and Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation.”

And to think while most of this true, it seems that somewhere along the way, they lost it. That's quite an indictment.

clarice

Algebra was Greek for the most part.

Magnetic compass no-

Arches and spires --no.

The big contribution was smaller--having translated and kept the great works of the Greeks and Romans, after the Middle Ages, they were a major source of the revival of these works.In other words synchronistic.

If you want to see how far behind they are..there are virtually no books published in Arabic, Virtually no Arabic Nobel prize winners (I'm talking the science awards which still mean something.)

There are billions of Arabs. Far fewer Jews. Compare and contrast.

Keep marrying your first cousins, living in totally static societies where academic achievement is largely memorizing Koranic texts and see what you get.

DrJ

Nobel Prizes: Arabs vs. Jews

This makes Clarice's point rather succinctly.

Captain Hate

Yeah Il Douche was going down the usual list of things that tenured idiots claim Islam produced, which as Clarice points out is almost completely bogus. I suppose you might say that conquering some of the people that made these break-throughs is the closest the rock-worshippers have come to true conceptual accomplishments. Although, appropriately enough, I think they were the ones that mastered the concept of Zero.

clarice

Number of books published annually throughout the world--read and see how few are published in Arab lands. (Knock out hate filled textbooks and the number is probably vclose to zero)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_published_per_country_per_year

PeterUK

Also interesting that the Mediterranean and the Middle East was the cradle of great civilisations thousands of years before Mohamed was born.

clarice

Also true.

PeterUK

Here Ladies and Gentlemen,for your delectation,the Best Barrack Hussein Obama in the Middle East cartoon

Ignatz

--IT WAS ISLAM… that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe’s Renaissance and Enlightenment.--

Actually that is very largely untrue.
Western monasteries held and preserved much of the great ancient wisdom and documents and what advances Islam supposedly made mathematically, scientifically, etc were made in large part by a small remnant of Christian and Jewish scholars living and tolerated in Islamic strongholds.

glasater

Pehaps Zero wasn't aware---but Egypt Parliament OK's Female Genitile Mutilation last year.

clarice

Well, it didn't stop him from making a ridiculous equivalence argument about the status of women here and in Arab lands.
PHEH

Kevin B

Captain, if you check on Wiki for the number zero, Islam doesn't get much of a look in.

Indian scholars, the Babylonians, Ptolomy, not to mention the Mayans in meso america all used zero long before old Mo got going.

Al-Khwarizmi did synthesize Greek and Hindu arithmetical systems into the Arabic numerals we use now, and did some work on explaining zero, but that was about it.

clarice

Averroes is the only great Arabic (post Islam) scholar I can think of and apparently his folks didn't think much of him.

Still for transcribing and saving so much of the great ancient Latin and Greek scholarship which otherwise became lost to the world, I do credit the Arabs-

Janet

I think there is a lot of confusion between Islam, and Arab/Persian. The cultures might have contributed....the religion, not so much.

clarice

Ooops--also Avicenna whose name I temporarily forgot.

matt

First, if they had democratic elections in Egypt tomorrow, the Muslim Brotherhood would probably win in a landslide. There goes your Israel peace deal.

Second, as has been pointed out, knowledge and learning were hallmarks of the Egyptian and Greek cultures thousands of years before Mohammed came riding out of the desert with his army of zealots and horse thieves. Sorry, I've studied the religion and that has always been difficult for me to reconcile. First he tried animism, the the Jews spurned him, and then he flirted with Christianity before he invented his own religion with him as the boss. He was a 7th Century L. Ron Hubbard.

As to our own assclown's speech, the reference to the 1953 coup was purely gratuitous. Another attempted suck up to parties unknown. Otherwise it seems to have more of the same "Blame Bush" theme he's been pushing for the past 5 months.

Barack on the road to Morrocco!
His syntax is hard on the spine!
His speech was just such a crock-o!
Hussein is just way out of line!


Danube of Thought

Christ almighty (so to speak). On what basis did Islam "pave the way" for the Renaissance?

The undiluted garbage is coming forth nonstop, and it simply goes unchallenged. This is actually getting to the point where it seems a bit dangerous to me.

Danube of Thought

Thanks RichardUF--those are all good points, except I don't think Kelo applies (they haven't dressed this up as a condmenation and taking for public use).

As for the other instances you cite, I really know nothing about them, but it doesn't appear from your description that they involved anything other than government loans, whether well-conceived or not. No one disputes that the FDIC, for example, can take over troubled financial institutions, but that isn't what happened here.

I would read the TARP language you quoted as being broad enough to encompass what was done, but that only brings us to the ultimate question: what is the source of congress's power to do it? How can it grant to the president power that it doesn't have itself (assuming that it doesn't have it)?

MayBee

Come on, you guys. This is true, America's the internal combustion engine was created in America, and FDR spoke with our enemies.

These are your new facts. Please work to memorize them.

clarice

Well Avicenna was certainly Persian so you have a point, Janet..Back to Averroes alone.

Do you suppose he believes this carp, DoT? I'm starting to thing he's really badly educated.

Janet

...and as Victor Davis Hanson often points out - Islam must use Western technologies and inventions to undo the West. The Arab countries needed Western technologies to get the oil beneath their land. Sadly, they even used our airline industry to bomb our country. That Muslim culture is a real contributor for the good of mankind.

glasater

Yes--The Yutz in Chief had this comparison of women in the ME and America.

PeterUK

Obama speaks authentic semi-educated progressive liberalese.This kind of shite was rife in the marijuana filled squats of hippiedom.This kind of bollocks would get Obama One Kenobi the reputation as a seer.Nancy Pelosi is probably having an orgasm.

glasater

David P. Goldman/aka Spengler is channeling DOT:

With this:


This confused and contradictory conclusion befits the dumbest utterance on foreign policy ever to escape the lips of a senior American official. Howlers abound. A personal favorite is this:

In signing the Treaty of Tripoli in 1796, our second President, John Adams, wrote, “The United States has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Muslims.”


MayBee

Jake Tapper, who I'm mad at today, is saying the WH used the CIA factbook as the source of his line about 7 million Muslims in America. The problem is, the CIA factbook says there are 1.8 million Muslims in America.

Janet

"First he tried animism, the the Jews spurned him, and then he flirted with Christianity before he invented his own religion with him as the boss. He was a 7th Century L. Ron Hubbard."
Too funny....and again sadly, too true.

Rick Ballard

Clarice,

He parked his sorry butt at Hate Whitey United for 20 years and listened to the driveling idiot racist ""pastor"" spout uninformed Afrocentric crap for that congregation of credulous cretins. He's ignorant, uneducated in any meaningful sense and rather stupid to boot. But he has very nice, if totally worthless, credentials.

I didn't think that there existed anyone in the world capable of making white trash Bubba look classy.

I was wrong.

PeterUK

Why don't you Americans get up a petition reminding Barrack Hussein Obama who pays his salary?

Thomas Collins

Perhaps he has already been mentioned and I missed the post, but if we are developing a medieval Islamic thinkers kudos list, I submit Abu Nasr Mohammed al-Farabi, who I believe was known as the second teacher (after Aristotle). His Philosphy of Plato and Aristotle can be printed out online. This work is not only a commentary, but also a beautiful work of philosophy in its own right. He was quite a prodigious writer, and stands in the tradition of Islamic, Jewish and Christian thinkers who discussed Greek philosophy in light of monotheistic religion.

clarice

He is also reported to have said that he looks just like the pharoah Qar ...How long before he snaps, Oh Lord?

Janet

um...are "we" developing a medieval Islamic thinkers kudos list? If so, I don't think this is my forum. Islamic kudos have been hard to come by for me since 9-11.

Pofarmer

our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed.

Wasn't that mainly Pasteur? Or is it just my racist history books?

Original MikeS

I don't object so much to Obama's praise of Islam and Middle Eastern cultures, as I object to Obama's omission of the objections that I have to certain practices that may or may not go on there.

For example, I object to suicide bombings or crashings of airplanes into occupied buildings. Now if those folks don't support that, then there's a point we agree on. If they do, then I think it ought to be mentioned. I also object to the killing of little girls for the offense of going to school. Again if those folks don't support that ...

hit and run

MayBee gets results:

Jake Tapper ...WH said source was CIA World Fact Book. but CIA WFB says 1.8 million- 0.6% of US pop. anyhoo, fact checking done, both Left and Right mad

The moral of this story: Don't get MayBee mad at you.

PeterUK

Obama looks more like Akhenaton">http://www.lost-civilizations.net/images/egypt/akhenatenhat.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.lost-civilizations.net/ancient-egypt-egiptian-pharaoh-akhenaten-nefertiti.html&usg=__-BlGi6EVoiiyZ8S8dWYR-7mfK8Q=&h=471&w=310&sz=14&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=sHjXNXVSDAkfFM:&tbnh=129&tbnw=85&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpharaoh%2Bakhenaton%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1">Akhenaton - the Heretic King.

Ignatz

Here are a couple of interesting perspectives on the golden age of Islam.
The first from the Assyrian Christian and Jewish perspective
And the second a more general take on the Arabic/Islamic anti-alchemist propensity for turning gold into dross.

matt

I thought he looked more like Steve Martin doing King Tut, peter.

Jane

I want to know why Maybee is mad at Jake. They have one of the best romances on the net.

Porchlight

Sorry if already posted - via the Weekly Standard:

Krauthammer on the Speech: Abstraction, Self-Absorption, Vapidity, Moral Equivalence

Nobody does it like Krauthammer.

Pagar

The link posted by Glasater at 06:42 PM lays out one of the most tragic losses of the speech.

That percentage of Muslins who are female, have lost any hope that America might do something to help them emerge into anything like an equal status.

"For Obama, the great bringer of truth and understanding, to have swept the whole affair under the rug (with a casual jab at the U.S.) marks a tragic end to the hopes harbored by millions of oppressed women that America was on their side"

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