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June 23, 2009

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fdcol63

The letter and its timing certainly explains Obama's reluctance to be more vocal in supporting the protesters.

PeterUK

"Whatever Obama says, and whenever he says it aside, the fact remains that he will never do what has to be done to make sure an Iranian reform movement is successful."

Are you sure Obama wants to "make sure the Iranian reform movement is successful"?
Seems to me,Obama wants to make America more like Iran.

clarice

Odd, isn't it..Despite the new administration doing everything it can to shitcan the policies of the prior one, Bush' notion that overthrowing Saddam was the first step to changing the ME is coming true.

Porchlight

What do you suppose the odds that the weenie roast on July 4th goes ahead as scheduled? Surely he can't be that stupid.

davod

Andy McCarthy at NRO’s Corner describes hope and outreach of a more sinister nature –http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ODFkYTU2MjBmMTE5MDUzZTEzZWMyMTE5ZWZjNWI4Mjg= " >Negotiating with Terrorists: The Obama administration ignores a longstanding — and life-saving — policy

“...Even as the mullahs are terrorizing the Iranian people, the Obama administration is negotiating with an Iranian-backed terrorist organization and abandoning the American proscription against exchanging terrorist prisoners for hostages kidnapped by terrorists. Worse still, Obama has already released a terrorist responsible for the brutal murders of five American soldiers in exchange for the remains of two deceased British hostages…”

PeterUK

"Bush' notion that overthrowing Saddam was the first step to changing the ME is coming true."

The Immaturian Candidate will put a stop to that.

fdcol63

"Surely he can't be that stupid."

No. But he has enough hubris and enough fawning media support that he thinks he can get away with it.

sylvia

"sylvia never met a conspiracy theory she couldn't embrace, but she's gotten a couple of them right. She was one of the first folks ringing alarm bells over Obama's hinky fundraising "

Well thanks for the sort of shout out on that JMH. I am proud of the fundraising one. Another one I am proud of is explictly detailing the real estate crisis here about a few months before it happened. I posted a post about how we will be paying off debt for decades because of the soaring unrealistic housing prices and many responded and dismissed that, and bam, a couple months later- the crisis. I got a little support recently on my theory that there is cyber monkey business going on out there with revelations that the electrical grid and defense systems are being infiltrated. I'm waiting for more discoveries in other areas to confirm my theory.

But yes, I do love a good conspiracy theory. And I don't know yet if there are enough facts on the death of Neda to say definitely what happened. If it had happened here, it would have been investigated, not just assumed that it happened one way or another.

Just watching the video I thought it was odd because it seemed like there wasn't much going on around there, no fighting, no commotion, just people standing around. It didn't seem like any "front line" area and then all of a sudden she goes down. Just one woman out of everyone standing there, and then, no other violence. And there is no definitive eye witness on what happened. If some Basij wanted to kill people, why her and why not fire more shots into the crowd. Wouldn't they go after a man? Why just the one? And strange that her boyfriend, whom she only dated a few months and who didn't want her demonstrating btw, said she made some comment beforehand about specifically being shot in the heart. What young woman, even in that situation, talks like that?

So I'm suspicious it was just one person. Either it was some psycho random basji who maybe got off a random female killing just for serial killer style thrills when no one else was looking, or maybe they were targeting someone else and accidentally got her instead. Or possibly this was done on purpose on orders from higher ups to shoot one random woman to scare off women from demonstrating? Or, another possibility, there was more of a personal element to the story than meets the eye and it wasn't as random as it looked. But in theory it might be prudent to be more careful to say what this is until we have more facts and I still have to ask questions about it.

pagar

I'd bet that he will not only go ahead with the weenie roast, I'd also bet that at each Embassy there will be someone appointed by the President to report back on how the royal guests were treated. Shortly after the 4th, there will be unexplained firings of Embassy staff members who did not pay the proper respect to Obama's honored guests.

Parking Lot

((Odd, isn't it..Despite the new administration doing everything it can to shitcan the policies of the prior one, Bush' notion that overthrowing Saddam was the first step to changing the ME is coming true.))

The Bush Doctrine is being vindicated even sooner than I had hoped.

It was and remains terribly insulting to the left that they were outsmarted by a chimp. And now he's still outsmarting them in retrospect.

Bush did his homework and spent his time doing his job instead of being a media whore. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to learn that from time to time, when really pressed to the wall, 0 secretly phones up W for advice and support. And W being the decent man that he is would deliver in good faith.

Extraneus

It's Toscani, Extraneus

narciso, I would pay big bucks for whatever you take for that memory of yours. Fish oil? Nootropics?

Extraneus

Hey, Cecil, thanks for the link to Nico's more than just pretty face. The Jeff Gannon thing was closer than I thought.

What are the odds of that?

clarice

Where were we? Dan Riehl picks up a hit post we missed:

http://thevimh.blogspot.com/2009/06/someone-may-be-meddling.html

Neo

I can’t keep thinking that Obama’s affiliation with ACORN’s “Project Vote” has a way of tainting his moral authority when confronting a nation in turmoil over a rigged election.

Thomas Jackson

Obama's hot dog diplomacy sends a far more powerful message to dictators and despots than his snakeoil speeches. Its waht you do not what you say that matters.

Makes one long for the competence of Carter, the integrity of Clinton and the realism of Wilson.

pagar

From the link Clarice posted at ll:39AM

" new evidence has emerged that Biden and Clinton may have themselves moved further toward the view that Obama is simply not up to the task:"

Biden thinks "that Obama is not up to the task",

Is it still OK to say that this sounds like
the pot calling the kettle black?

hit and run

Clarice:
Dan Riehl picks up a hit post we missed

heh, thanks.

Anyone else notice the sequence of events? Anonymous spokesperson says Hillary thinks Obama's a wuss, and then she "accidentally" breaks her elbow?

Hmmmmmmmm. I wouldn't be so naive as to think it was an accident. Where was Rahm last Wednesday?

Then again, the elbow may be broken, but the finger still works:

The Elbow's Broken, But the Finger Still Works

glasater

Maybe it was Rahm spraying WD40 on that driveway.

Stephanie

Newest description of the Obama Foreign Policy...

WEENIE DIPLOMACY...

Who's gonna bring the condiments?

DebinNC

wurst diplomacy

Parking Lot

((Newest description of the Obama Foreign Policy...

WEENIE DIPLOMACY...

Who's gonna bring the condiments?))

I hear 0's pantry is well stocked with InAPickle Relish.

clarice

She can't be happy in this post. In fact, she always looks angry. Now that the heat is on, expect her to Armitage The Won--that's a perfect job for the SB.

clarice


Tehran demos continue---

CAIRO (AP) - Protesters and riot police clashed in the streets around Iran's parliament Wednesday as hundreds of people converged on a Tehran square in defiance of government orders to halt demonstrations demanding a new presidential election, witnesses said.
Police beat the protesters gathered on Baharestan Square with batons and fired tear gas canisters and rounds of ammunition into the air, the witnesses told The Associated Press. They said some demonstrators fought back while others fled to another Tehran plaza, Sepah Square, about a mile (2 kilometers) to the north.


A helicopter could be seen hovering over central Tehran, where a witness told the AP that the area was swarming with hundreds of riot police who were trying to prevent people from gathering even briefly. Thousands more security officers filled the surrounding streets, said the witness, who declined to give his name for fear of government reprisals.

Amateur video posted Wednesday on YouTube showed young men and women throwing rocks and pushing barricades, one blazing, in the street. Others shouted: "Death to the dictator!" The video could not immediately be verified due because of government reporting restrictions.

Severe restrictions on reporters have made it almost impossible to independently verify reports on demonstrations, clashes and casualties. Iran has ordered journalists for international news agencies to stay in their offices, barring them from reporting on the streets.

Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's refusal earlier Wednesday to bow to demands from protesters effectively closed the door to any compromise with the opposition.

The wife of opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi was defiant, saying protesters refused to buckle under a situation she compared to martial law.

Mousavi's official Web site had said a protest was planned outside parliament. But the site distanced him from the action, calling it independent and saying it had not been organized by the reformist candidate.

Mousavi's wife, Zahra Rahnavard, a former university dean who campaigned beside him, said on another of his Web sites that his followers had the constitutional right to protest and the government should not deal with them "as if martial law has been imposed in the streets."

She called for the release of all activists and others arrested at protests.


clarice

More videos of demos today/more reports of brutal reaction by Basiji:
http://theeprovocateur.blogspot.com/2009/06/masscre-in-tehran.html

Administration considering canceling invite to Oranis to share weenies on the 4th.

Stephanie

Cookout Menu

Weenies, a nice Chianti and some Fava Beans.

BTW reports are that Neda's family has been forced from their home.

DebinNC

Administration considering canceling invite to Oranis to share weenies on the 4th.

Poll dependent Obama is always playing ketchup.

Stephanie

I relish the photo ops from the cookout. H&R will have amply opportunity to apply some mustard to them, but the Obots will be in deep sauerkraut over the mocking.

//Ducking in case Clarice is around.

clarice

I think it's finally occurred to those geniuses that this is one STUPID idea. Drudge posts that not a single Iranian has accepted in any event.

Extraneus

And it's not just dumb, either. It's insulting. Seriously, besides 0's own distaste for the principles involved, what possible explanation could there be for inviting Iran's gov't to celebrate July 4th with us, of all days?

Porchlight

From the CNN blog article on the status of weenie diplomacy:

But officials said the violence against protesters that has ensued since the June 12 election has caused the administration to rethink the timing of such engagement.

Look what it says. They're not rethinking it altogether. They're rethinking the timing of it.

Truly unbelievable.

Captain Hate

In addition to Il Douche, any State Dept toadies that thought this was a great idea ought to be forceably introduced to unemployment.

clarice

Wait! I thought that if we elected O ,among other things, the Muslim world would see how great we are, and then if we invited them to break weenies with us surely they'd see that we aren't the evil arrogant Bushco, but Noooooooooo..it's not working.

Jane

OT: Is Sanford getting Alinsky'd? WHo the hell cares if he goes away for 5 days?

O better cut the guest list for July 4th - after all his home state is going to be bombed out of existence before the potato salad.

Jane

Hell now he is admitting an affair. Holy cow.

Porchlight

It definitely sounded something like an affair or an addiction.

Sue

Apparently the WH has rescinded the invitations to the weenie roast. After someone reported no one had accepted the invitation to begin with.

clarice

More videos of the butchery today in Tehran.

http://greenrevolutioniran.blogspot.com/

Enlightened

.

glenda

Porchlight...I thought something was funny when he was "unavailable" on Father's Day,(he has four young boys, I think).
He sucks turds and should quit politics ASAP. If he thinks this mea culpa will save him....pffft. I am more of the opinion each day we need to vote out every single incumbent. That power thing in d.c. is becoming the 8th deadly sin!

bad

Weebama sucks!!

glasater

My Iranian friend sent me this link in an AM email message:

http://iran.org/

He claims it has reliable info however I found it nuanced and probably needed a narciscolator.

Jane

I continue to be of the school that I couldn't care less who anyone sleeps with. (unless of course it is me and then I care a lot)

Extraneus

Hey, bad, I was just about to put out an APB for you!

DebinNC

Unlike Gov. McGreevy, Sen. Edwards, and Gov. Spitzer, Sandford didn't add to his wife's humiliation by forcing her to stoically share his public mea culpa. Sadly though, he's toast. A repentant adulteror can be forgiven, but a guv or prez who goes walkabout can't.

glenda

Jane, I don't want to know or care, either..it's just another example of a conservative who doesn't practice what he preaches..and again it's the lies and coverup that get you, not the wandering weenie!

DebinNC

...again it's the lies and coverup that get you, not the wandering weenie.

lol..Way to combine two thread topics, glenda.

bad

We're hanging out at the ocean this week, Ex. Fabulous!!

Extraneus

Sweet.

JM Hanes

Cecil:

"I read through it, and it's good in the sense that he has multiple contacts in Iran (assuming it's all legit). It's also relatively good coverage of events (with the same assumption). The parts I read were not, however, a ringing defense of the Iranian public's right to a fair election, or the last word in calling the Mullahs on their despotic, terrorist-sponsoring, illegitimate and criminal regime."

What you have just described is journalism done right! A reporter reports on what is happening, and we make up our own minds about what it means. What could help the Iranian people and democratic causes more than making sure their voices are heard, and that the actual evidence of violent despotic depredations -- and thus the hollowness of Regime propaganda -- is exposed to the world? Even Iranians themselves must look to such sources for information about what is happening outside of their immediate surroundings, including hearing messages from their own opposition leaders.

Yet you fault Pitney for not serving up a side dish of ringing condemnations? Such pronouncements are the purview of American leadership, where they actually serve to put the Iranian regime itself on notice of American intentions as no U.S. blogger could ever do.

Sue

I don't care who he sleeps with either. But the damn democrats do. And Sanford knew he had this hanging over his head and let himself become the face of republicans over the last few months.

MayBee

I think it is fascinating when politicians get caught having affairs. I lurve gossip.

I don't in any way find it disqualifying, though. If it is, we're inviting constant witchhunts on imperfect people.
And that is a challenge Axelrod is more than happy to take on.

JM Hanes


I am frankly stunned by the reaction to Pitney here.

"I guess I'll just have to miss out on Nico. Huffington Post doesn't get any hits from me."

You would prefer to remain uninformed rather than dirtying your fingers at a left wing internet site? Not only has Pitney served as a direct conduit for Iranians to world, he has been linking to other news and background sources you would be hard pressed to ferret out on your own. Ditto for Twitter, where in the midst of all the static people can find links to instructions on protecting themselves from tear gas and pepper spray, and lists of embassies accepting the wounded when the Basiji are taking names at hospitals, along with rumors worth pursuing on this end.

There are plenty of bloggers and sites I ordinarily avoid, but what good can come from letting ideological purity take precedence over fact finding? Skepticism is healthy, cynicism is debilitating and destructive. Has it occurred to those who reject anything emanating from HuffPo that if straight reporting brings in numbers which dwarf the constituency for political harangues, that it might actually make a difference in editorial decision making?

Have the naysayers here stopped to contemplate how extraordinary it is that one lone protester somewhere in Iran can pose a question directly to the President of the United States? And isn't this the very question which most needed to be asked?

Under which conditions would you accept the election of Ahmadinejad? And if you do accept it without any significant changes in the conditions there, isn't that a betrayal of -- of what the demonstrators there are working to achieve?
Are you really prepared to kill this messenger?

Jane

Jane, I don't want to know or care, either..it's just another example of a conservative who doesn't practice what he preaches.

Does he preach fidelity? Actually I don't really care. I didn't care who Clinton slept with and I don't care who Sanford sleeps with.

clarice

Exactly so, JMH. Let's put a dagger in the neart of MAD (Make a difference) journalism. It's enough to honestly report what's going on.

MayBee

I don't care who he sleeps with either. But the damn democrats do.

They do because he's a Republican and can use it against him. They don't really care. They don't care about the rumors about Obama, and they don't care about the Kennedys, and they didn't care about the guy they got elected in place of Mark Foley.

PeterUK

Still the Barrack Wurst does nothing.

hit and run

I'm with JMH. Nico wasn't to become a permanent part of the WH press corps. He was to be a part of a one time question, given his unique proximity to the immediate Iranian situation.

Whether Nico was at HuffPo or at the Weekly Standard was completely, completely irrelevant.

Listen, if that means that we have a threat of future shenanigans, so be it, be on the lookout, gird your loins and all eyes on deck.

Every question and every questioner should be questioned as to his or her objectivity.

Blame the WH all you want, don't give Obama the benefit of the doubt, cast fire and brimstone on everything they do.

But giving Pitney a voice at the press conference, whether he's from HuffPo or SatanInc. was the right thing to do.

Unless someone else with a direct line to Iran, with a direct line to the POTUS press conference was available.

If that person, and his or her direct line to Iran was available, from a source that should have been known to the WH, then shame on Team Obama.

Otherwise, let it go, and keep vigilant for real abuses of press access to press conferences.

Oh, and yes, I've not doubt they will come, I've no doubt that Team Obama will try something actually subversive...but this wasn't it, IMO.

Sue

They do because he's a Republican and can use it against him. They don't really care.

Thanks MayBee. I didn't word that well. I meant the same thing but it didn't read that way.

clarice

Hit, there was someone else:Michael Ledeen who unlike Pitney's been getting daily messages from inside Iran for years.

Stephanie

Look! A Democrat who is leading by example...so much so that even Reps want to get in on the action...

LUN

Porchlight

Whether Nico was at HuffPo or at the Weekly Standard was completely, completely irrelevant.

I completely agree. I don't care that Pitney is with HuffPo. I concur that it was a good question. But for the third time, it's the choreography that bothers me. Obama pre-picked two of his questioners. People are giving him a pass. That means he will keep doing it. What are the odds that he will consistently pre-pick reporters that will throw hardballs?

If you let Pitney slide, you have to let them all slide, because as long as the reporter in question is "doing good work" and the WH and the reporter both state that Obama didn't know the question ahead of time, what's to complain about? You bought the story the first time.

When critics become inured to behavior that would have been considered out of bounds in the past, it's a problem. Heck, Dana Milbank even thinks so.

I guess that makes me a naysayer. So be it.

Ignatz

I agree with Porchlight.
Openly coordinating topics and placement with questioners prior to the press conference is not very far from openly coordinating the questions and certainly makes the latter much easier and more likely.
It's not a question of Pitney's bona fides; it's a question of safeguards and propriety. It's just one more small step on the road to making the press an official government organ.
I like to indulge in the fantasy that it is at this point not quite official yet.

Extraneus

Has it occurred to those who reject anything emanating from HuffPo that if straight reporting brings in numbers which dwarf the constituency for political harangues, that it might actually make a difference in editorial decision making?

Well that hadn't occured to me, and it smacks of wishful thinking. If not, why hasn't the NYT or any other lefty outlet thought of it before? Should we hope to reform them by patronizing them?

Of course they'll do what they can to attain some level of respectability, and what a coup for HuffPo that Obama thought to help! But these people are bees in a hive, and guess who they're looking to sting. Pretty obvious from the profile Cecil linked to in Pitney's case. And Clarice is right to ask why Michael Ledeen wasn't invited to the presser instead. The guy was doing daily work on Iran since before Pitney was doing oppo research on conservatives. Of course, it would be inconceivable for Ledeen to have been invited.

Sorry, I'm not looking for an argument, but I think I can survive just fine without getting my information from Huffington Post or their ilk. I'll sacrifice some ignorance if that's the cost of not legitimizing them. But then, I consider left-wing media to be the biggest enemy the US has ever had.

hit and run

Clarice:
Hit, there was someone else:Michael Ledeen who unlike Pitney's been getting daily messages from inside Iran for years.

YES!!! I would give my left nut if Ledeen could help inform the WH about Iran.

But I would never risk my left nut on the idea that the WH was ever closer than 50 fathoms of getting info from him (and yes, I've spent more than a few emails puffing myself up to him that I know you).

Obama obviously did NOT get the question in advance, but DID obviously pick Pitney above all others to deliver a question.

Wrong?

Well, sure, maybe, I guess, definitely. If Bush had pre-selected Ledeen to ask a question, would we be scolding him now, or praising him for getting to the truth of what was going on on the ground in Iran?

Be on the lookout for future planted questions that help buffet Obama against the truth. Hoist him by his own petard should it happen.

But this was a case where Obama chose the most prominent, available, journalist to ask a question. Ledeen wasn't ever going to be in consideration. Just not going to happen. I would LOVE for it to be otherwise, but it just wasn't going to happen.

So. Would you rather that Helen Thomas get a question on Iran, to the exclusion of Pitney?

Oh, fine, Helen Schmelen, give the question to another MSNBC correspondent or ABC or CBS, or NPR or the NYT???????

Pitney did all of us a favor by the question he asked ... and IF in the process he exposed the Obama admin's willingness to circumvent free speech and freedom of the press in the process, fine. Petard the O!

But Pitney did nothing wrong.

Ignatz:
Openly coordinating topics and placement with questioners prior to the press conference is not very far from openly coordinating the questions

YES!!! "Not very far from", so let's keep our eyes out every single press conference. EVERY SINGLE ONE.

But this wasn't a run of the mill press conference -- it wasn't just about Obama's next policy objectives -- and if Pitney's was the only chance to get an actual Iranian's question to POTUS (which O flubbed), then, well, faster, please.

If we "let" Pitney away with this, it doesn't mean we can't double down on our vigilence.

clarice

What an interesting and informed debate on this issue. Of course, I'm biased toward my main squeeze , Hit, but everyone has raised interesting issues to my mind.

Porchlight

Hit,

By what standard would you criticize the "next time" if you give Pitney a pass this time? "Well, I liked Pitney's question but I don't like this one." "Well, Pitney was doing good work for HuffPo but ____ is just a HuffPo hack."

Don't really fly, do they?

Coordination is coordination and it doesn't matter who's doing it or what the question is. If that means that a good question goes unasked, or Helen Thomas gets more opportunities, that's too bad, but that's what standards are for. We have to be vigilant and accept no excuses all the time.

hit and run

Clarice:
Of course, I'm biased toward my main squeeze , Hit

Well, I am too, that is, if I had ever taken up his offer for Italian on my next visit to DC.

Unfortunately, that hasn't happened...and yet, I hope.

I will never, ever give up that hope!

(and no, I'm not an apologist for O here. He's a lying bastard no matter what good may have come of his administration's amoral intentions. but some good came of it and for that I can at least do a one-handed clap)

clarice

Silly--You are my main squeeze,Hit. How could you have missed that?

pagar

"and if Pitney's was the only chance to get an actual Iranian's question to POTUS"

Why would this be considered true? Only because the MSM has for all practical purposes abandoned their role as news people and turned in to a 100% propaganda poster for the Democrats. Which is the same thing that Huffpo is. That one Huffpo poster figured out how to get Obama's attention is considered wonderful, is wrong in my opinion. Why should conservatives have to put up with 10,000 leftists rants in order to find something good on Huffpo?
I don't think that Americans are lacking in questions for Obama concerning Iran. Judging by the deaths and suffering we have seen over there, with not a finger lifted by Obama, the Iranians are never going to be helped by Obama. Who asks the question that he ducks seem to matter very little.
My time on this earth grows shorter every day, I choose not to spend a second of it reading Huffpo or the NYTs or watching CNN or ABC or any of the other Obama propaganda outlets.

hit and run

Clarice:
Silly--You are my main squeeze,Hit. How could you have missed that?

heh, well, let's just say that I Blame Sanford with the extra precautionary layer of caution.

smooches as always.

pagar

".it's just another example of a conservative who doesn't practice what he preaches..and again it's the lies and coverup that get you, not the wandering weenie!"

Why I read JOM. Where else are you going to find out about the wandering weenie?

I nominate Glenda for JOM commenter of the day. Well done, Glenda.

Stephanie

Where else are you going to find out about the wandering weenie?

ummm... eww. That visual is just begging for wrongness... oh wait, you were talking about Sanford, not Obama Meyer Weiner...

Obama's got some wandering weenies looking for a solution to the Iran "problem." Problem is, they are following the Oscar Meyer Presidential Motorcade Weiner Mobile and the press is throwing roses instead of sauerkraut...

Oh I'm glad I'm not Obama Meyer Wiener,
For that is what I truly don't wanna be,
For if I were Obama Meyer Wiener,
Everyone would make a fool of me.

JM Hanes

Porchlight:

I understand the objection that you, specifically, have been raising, but I think Ignatz's "openly" is a substantive qualifier here. This is not the first time Obama has taken a question from a HuffPo rep, of course, but in this case he was upfront about why he was singling out Pitney. Do you think ABC, CBS, NBC, and even Fox News don't know they're are going to be called on almost every single time -- with only the occasional tour in the dog house? Hasn't that spread been basic presser protocol in almost every administration? Obama can carp about FOX all he likes, but he knows he can't just put Major Garrett on ignore. When was the last time Jake Tapper didn't get the nod at a Gibbs' briefing?

I'm not thrilled with kabuki pressers either, but they've long been more useful for highlighting questions a President is unwilling to answer or tries to spin, than the ones he does. Presidents just don't call agenda-free press conferences or pick reporters' names out of hats. Ironically, the President I remember who gave the most substantive answers to the toughest questions, and who was willing to say he didn't intend to answer a question instead of spinning it like a top, was Jimmy Carter.

In this particular instance, you and I do see different slippery slopes. If Pitney had thrown a softball, or played to an Obama strength, I might be more suspicious about his account of the process. When the reporters who almost invariably get a turn at the mike start sharpening up their questions, as some have actually started doing, I think it's an improvement -- perhaps especially when an important query issues from the left. Sycophants are pretty easy to spot, but when folks start putting their ideological hands over their ears, what are the odds that they will be willing to make a practice of that?

narciso

What am I chopped liver, btw, I did not link Pitney, but I did mention his collection of tweets, but you're right
that the Huff Po is a 'cancer on the body'
of journalism; yet otherwise sensible people like Bernard Henri Levi and Cuban dissident Yoani Sanchez frequent it.

JM Hanes

Extraneus:

What's not wishful about thinking Michael Ledeen should have been there to pose an Iranian question? He'd certainly have gotten a vote from me, but there a hundred identifiable experts on every issue of the day, and they are just not going to be individually and serially credentialled at every go around. And why would they be, if the President didn't intend to call on them? Like it or not, HuffPo already has a press pass, and when one of their reporters asks a decent question, I'm pleasantly surprised.

JM Hanes

Just for the record, when it comes to Mockery, I'm willing to consider the source.

glenda

pagar..
thanks...it's a shame the Sanford news takes away from the Iran crisis, cap&trade vote , socialist healthcare, barney frank's banking world, media-suck-ups,--all that should be leads today, not a personal moral failure.

bad

Steph, in the comments of your link is someone willing to pay $1000 to see Hillary in a thong.

Wow!

boris

Pitney gets credit for a good question. Desn't change the fact that he's on the other side (AFAICT).

Sure some liberal leftists support Democracy in Iran and some on our side welcome an issue where we can "work together". But show me where they see it that way too. Is it not more likely that our motives are seen as insincere ... "wingers just want to make trouble for Obama, otherwise the Taliban right would be rooting for the mullahs."

pagar

From Batchelor at the RBO site:

Because what follows is not anything but rough news. I have received confirmation from best source that the crackdown Wednesday 24 in Tehran was total and thorough. I was warned last news cycle that the web had been penetrated. That no Twitter or Facebook or email was trustworthy, that the regime had command of the sites and IP proxies.
Ignatz

--but I think Ignatz's "openly" is a substantive qualifier here--

The problem is, once coordination starts, is the temptation for cooperation resistable? And if it isn't, is coopting far behind?
Things that seem only a little off kilter and are out in the open at first can quickly lead to compromises in the dark. Ask Governor Sanford.

Captain Hate

Does he preach fidelity? Actually I don't really care. I didn't care who Clinton slept with and I don't care who Sanford sleeps with.

Wow, really surprised by this. Maybe I'm old school and out of touch but to hell with Sanford. Get the tar and feathers and run him out on a nail-studded rail. Sorry but if his wife can't trust him then he doesn't deserve my vote or consideration in the future. We've got a bunch of immature idiots with no impulse-control or character in government and it makes me sick.

Extraneus

If he would have announced his separation, flown her up to SC and had her stay in a hotel in Columbia, who would have cared? His wife could have even been at the separation announcement and people would have been sympathetic. It was the bizarre week-long incommunicado Appalachian Trail hike that did him in, and rightly so. He's an idiot.

PeterUK

"Steph, in the comments of your link is someone willing to pay $1000 to see Hillary in a thong."

Bill bought her a thong,she put it on, nobody has seen it since.

Extraneus

So the thousand bucks is a reward for finding it?

Porchlight

Thanks for your comment, JMH. I don't really dispute Pitney's account of how it all went down, and I give him credit for a good question. But as you say, that's where our slippery slopes differ.

So here's a scenario (with mixed metaphors as is my wont, sorry). Rahm and co. are very smart. They might be banking that a bunch of Pitney's colleagues, at HuffPo and other similar sites, will see what happened to Pitney and read Kurtz's Rahm article in WaPo and think "I want me some of that action." They'd give their left nuts, in Hit's lovable expression, to be on Rahm's morning call list. Thus Rahm reaches out and dangles a carrot and the pool of friendly reporters grows. Down the road at future pressers, if the WH decides that HuffPo gets a regular bite at the apple, who can really object? After all, Pitney blazed the trail and made HuffPo look respectable. So HuffPo now joins the mainstream with the alphabet guys. In the long term, that's worth the risk Obama took on Pitney.

This is just a scenario, of course. Any number of things could transpire. Ultimately I don't trust Rahm and he is damn good at seducing and manipulating these people. So I lean toward Ignatz's view @6:54.

The one bright ray is that if Obama games it too much, other MSM types *may* awaken to the BS (as did Dana Milbank today) and sharpen up their questions accordingly, as you point out. That's a gamble, though, both for us and for them.

Captain Hate

That made me LOL PUK; no small task today

narciso

Here's a candidate for Sanford's current job, kind of a cross between Palin and
Jindal (her parents are Punjabi Sikhs from
Amritsar)in the LUN

pagar

I need to learn more about her, Narciso, but she's at the top of my list right now-based on what I see on that link.

Extraneus

Maybe Michael Rubin could wangle an invite to the next press conference on Iran.

Fact-Checking AP on Iranian History

Melinda Romanoff

bad & PUK-

Please pass the eye bleach, thank you.

And I believe the reason he took the question from Nico was not for his efforts on Iran, but to "hat tip" the HuffPo's audience and reinforce it's general loyalty, a standard Axelrod method, back here in Chicago, at least.

PeterUK

"So the thousand bucks is a reward for finding it?"

Yes,it's hell ,but somebody has to do it.She can't do herself with that broken elbow.

narciso

Probably so, Melinda, but in lieu of an actual informant network out there, Pitney
did have some contacts. Frankly Ledeen, Rossett, and co, probably have better contacts, but all the "right people" seem to dismiss them. In the LUN, Matt Cooper
making a fool of himself, at the Atlantic, perfecting Sullivan's hysterical style

Captain Hate

She can't do herself with that broken elbow.

I think that's how she broke the elbow; it's in deep.

JM Hanes

I do agree with you completely on Sanford, Extraneus!

PD

Sorry but if his wife can't trust him then he doesn't deserve my vote or consideration in the future.

Yep.

This is one thing about which the Hand Grenade with a Bad Haircut (Ross Perot) had it right, speaking as a businessman: If an employee has demonstrated that he won't be faithful to his wife, how can I trust him as an employee?

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