As an alternative to a tedious tome on Waxman-Markey the American Enterprise Institute offers colorful quotes from their experts. Some snippets:
Steven F. Hayward writes on a wide range of public policy issues. He is the coauthor of the annual Index of Leading Environmental Indicators; the producer and host of An Inconvenient Truth . . . or Convenient Fiction?, a rebuttal to Al Gore's documentary; and the author of many books on environmental topics. He contributes to AEI's Energy and Environment Outlook series.
Pencil him in as "Undecided".
Samuel Thernstrom has studied and written about environmental issues for twenty years, with a particular emphasis on global climate change. He served on the White House Council on Environmental Quality prior to joining AEI in 2003. As codirector of the AEI Geoengineering Project, Mr. Thernstrom studies the policy implications of geoengineering--a new way to deal with global warming by blocking a small fraction of the sunlight that would otherwise warm the Earth's surface. His recent op-ed in the Washington Post discusses the possibility of engineering a cooler planet: http://www.aei.org/article/100625.
Hmm - can we call that "Undecided, but doesn't realize it yet"? C'mon, Nancy has until the Fourth of July to bash this through the House.
ANY DAY NOW: The Brookings Institute sneak-previewed their upcoming report on the economic impact of climate change back on June 8 but it was not a specic look at Waxman-Markey.
Pages 17 and 18 show their estimate of the impact on GDP of different reduction strategies out to 2050. Folks who focus on the direct comparison of GDP (p. 17) will argue that their is virtually no impact. On the other hand, page 18 indicates that GDP is reduced by 1% to 2.5% per year. On a $14 trillion economy, that is a cost of $140 to $350 billion per year, an amount which ought to be able to hold people's attention.
Thanks, Sue.
Posted by: Porchlight | June 26, 2009 at 05:59 PM
I just got home from work so haven't had much chance to catch up with C-SPAN, but here's a great comment from HotAir:
Posted by: Porchlight | June 26, 2009 at 06:01 PM
Boehner is apparently going to read all 300 pages of the amendment. Go, man, go!
Posted by: Porchlight | June 26, 2009 at 06:03 PM
"...honest environmentalists are profoundly disappointed in the bill's fundamental flaws." I wouldn't call Greenpeace 'honest,' but they're against it because it "sets emission reduction targets far lower than science demands, then undermines even those targets with massive offsets."
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/press-center/releases2/greenpeace-opposes-waxman-mark
In short, it doesn't require us to huddle in dark, dank caves.
Posted by: Paul in NJ | June 26, 2009 at 06:03 PM
Daddy,
I hate to rain on your rant but as you probably know Waxman is always a shoe-in for the crowd in West LA, Hollywood, and Santa Monica (not sure if OJ land is in the 30th but it is close). Typical California gerrymandered story: I live in the 42nd which is over 40 miles from end to end and encompasses parts of Orange, LA, and San Bernardino counties. In its present configuration it always votes R (ignore 2000 and back as it was a different configuration then). So what am I going to do, call up Gary Miller and tell him to vote against crap and tax? He's already against it. What can I do, call up Dianne (I closed off most of the desert from you evil motorcycle riders HAHA) Feinstein? Or call the stupidest senator of the bunch, ol' caught doing the nasty in the SF Supers closet Babs Boxer? (I believe she had the night watchman fired.) It is very disheartening. Okay now my rants done too.
Posted by: Dave in OC | June 26, 2009 at 06:08 PM
.honest environmentalists
I think they're so conditioned to writing this tripe that it wouldn't trigger a lie detector.
It's not a lie if you really believe it. George Costanza
Posted by: Captain Hate | June 26, 2009 at 06:13 PM
Porchlight,
As you said, Boehner is AWESOME!!!
Posted by: Barbara | June 26, 2009 at 06:14 PM
These have been donated as wind tunnels for turbine testing.
Posted by: PeterUK | June 26, 2009 at 06:21 PM
Jaysus PUK; I just ate!!! That ugly just bubbles forth from within.
Posted by: Captain Hate | June 26, 2009 at 06:23 PM
Dave in OC, I feel your pain. My congressman is hack Gary Ackerman, who does whatever Pelosi tells him to do, and my two Senators are Upchuck Schumer and "Principles of an alley cat" Gillenbrandt.
Posted by: peter | June 26, 2009 at 06:34 PM
The ugliest man on earth is upset because there is no order in the house.
Posted by: Sue | June 26, 2009 at 06:35 PM
I had to change the channel. I'd rather watch Jacko than Pelosi.
Posted by: Sue | June 26, 2009 at 06:37 PM
Say goodbye to domestic refineries.
Big Oil’s Answer to Carbon Law May Be Fuel Imports
LUN
Posted by: SWarren | June 26, 2009 at 06:40 PM
There should be a law against pulling someone in from rehab in order to pass a bill.
Posted by: Sue | June 26, 2009 at 06:41 PM
There should be a law against pulling someone in from rehab in order to pass a bill.
There should be a law about someone in rehab being elected to the house.
There should be a law that someone so sick he can't serve should be replaced.
(Okay that's both Kennedy's - who is next?)
Posted by: Jane | June 26, 2009 at 06:51 PM
Peter,
I guess I am therefore a little bit better off as at least my congressman is a solid R. Back before redistricting I was happy I was in Chris Cox's district; after the Wall Street meltdown not so much...
If I was in the old district I would have John Campbell, a former car dealer and very fiscally conservative R.
Posted by: Dave in OC | June 26, 2009 at 06:52 PM
They're answering the phones in Boehner's office. (202) 225-4000 I just called and offered encouragement and high fives. Light up his phone! He deserves our praise today.
Posted by: Sue | June 26, 2009 at 06:58 PM
(Okay that's both Kennedy's - who is next?)
Someone who is too ugly to be seen in public.
Someone with galloping botox poisoning,
Posted by: PeterUK | June 26, 2009 at 06:58 PM
The Waxman Bill, Insanity Rules.
Posted by: PeterUK | June 26, 2009 at 07:01 PM
SWarren,
Thanks for the link. It ties in well with portions of the Spanish report cited a couple of days ago. Spain's steel producers are moving plants with some alacrity in response to Zapatero's idiocy.
NOTE: The use of "commie front" is recommended when referring to "green" whatever organizations. We can skip the watermelon euphemism now.
Posted by: Rick Ballard | June 26, 2009 at 07:03 PM
Okay I called Boehner's office and thanked him.
Can someone please call Richard Neal and tell him he works for me.
200 - 185 and counting
Posted by: Jane | June 26, 2009 at 07:07 PM
Who the hell are the republicans voting for this?
Posted by: Jane | June 26, 2009 at 07:07 PM
Someone who's been impeached for bribery
Posted by: Captain Hate | June 26, 2009 at 07:08 PM
Not mine. Rep. Hall usually votes the way I want him to. Whether by design or accident, Kim doesn't even know.
Posted by: Sue | June 26, 2009 at 07:09 PM
209/198. This damned stupidity is going to pass.
Posted by: Sue | June 26, 2009 at 07:10 PM
Seven Re=pubic cans have voted yea so far
Posted by: peter | June 26, 2009 at 07:11 PM
Un freakin believable
Posted by: peter | June 26, 2009 at 07:14 PM
We are so screwed. 220/203. 15 NV left.
Posted by: Sue | June 26, 2009 at 07:14 PM
I'm sorry. I forgot to change my NV #s. 5 left. 219/210
Posted by: Sue | June 26, 2009 at 07:15 PM
Who are the 7 scumbag Republicans that voted to move us back to the stone age?
Posted by: peter | June 26, 2009 at 07:15 PM
219/212, 3 NVs.
Posted by: Sue | June 26, 2009 at 07:17 PM
Eight sons of bitches turncoated this country. I want their names! We will hound them out of office.
Posted by: Fresh Air | June 26, 2009 at 07:19 PM
Those 8 republicans just screwed us royally.
Posted by: Sue | June 26, 2009 at 07:19 PM
Nice job of keeping the troops in line, Rodney King Steele.
Posted by: Captain Hate | June 26, 2009 at 07:20 PM
Which is worse the 8N or the 3NV, afterall the Dems got Patrick Kennedy out of rehab to vote?
Posted by: BB Key | June 26, 2009 at 07:27 PM
Via Malkin at Tweet:
GOP turncoats: Bono Mack; Castle Kirk Lance LoBiondo McHugh Reichert Smith(NJ) #capandtrade
Posted by: Sue | June 26, 2009 at 07:27 PM
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll477.xml>Roll Call
Posted by: Sue | June 26, 2009 at 07:31 PM
Inhofe says this thing is DOA in the Senate.
Posted by: Danube of Thought | June 26, 2009 at 07:35 PM
QCS, that's the spanish version of the proper curse word in this occassion, Kirk, think we'll have to keep Burris in there longer. Mack, there always has to be someone from S. Florida to screw it up, Chris Smith, how can you be prolife and be for this abortion, there's no other way to describe it
Posted by: narciso | June 26, 2009 at 07:36 PM
This is just sickening
Posted by: Janet | June 26, 2009 at 07:37 PM
I hope so DoT..O really hope so..
Posted by: clarice | June 26, 2009 at 07:39 PM
Cap'n,
That's Cantor's job, not Steele's. I'd suggest a study of "Aye" votes by Dems in energy producing states to match that which is being done of Reps.
I wonder how Byrd and Rockefeller intend to straddle this one in the Senate. Or Casey and Spector.
I would concur with Inhofe regarding passage in the Senate - it isn't going to conference.
Posted by: Rick Ballard | June 26, 2009 at 07:41 PM
Via a commenter at Hot Air. Makes a lot of sense.
Posted by: Sue | June 26, 2009 at 07:42 PM
Man I'm tired of having my pessimism confirmed.
Posted by: Old Lurker | June 26, 2009 at 07:42 PM
Sue: You are absolutely right about Bono Mack. She will be praised to the heaven's by her constituents in Riverside, CA - the kind that carry the cloth "I Love My Planet Earth" shopping bags when they go to Whole Foods.
Posted by: centralcal | June 26, 2009 at 07:47 PM
Man I'm tired of having my pessimism confirmed.
My sentiment exactly.
Posted by: Jane | June 26, 2009 at 07:48 PM
Wasn't McCain for cap-n-tax too? Why does Inhofe think the senate will squash this?
Posted by: Sue | June 26, 2009 at 07:49 PM
I believe Inhofe thinks there will be a number of Dems who won't go along.
Meanwhile, this is from the Washington Post and yes, I blame Bush:
"The Obama administration, fearing a battle with Congress that could stall plans to close the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, is drafting an executive order that would reassert presidential authority to incarcerate terrorism suspects indefinitely, according to three senior government officials with knowledge of White House deliberations.
"Such an order would embrace claims by former president George W. Bush that certain people can be detained without trial for long periods under the laws of war."
Posted by: Danube of Thought | June 26, 2009 at 07:54 PM
Here's Inhofe:
"'It doesn’t matter,' he declared flatly, 'because we’ll kill it in the Senate anyway.'
"Asked if he was confident that would be the case, Oklahoma’s senior senator said he was 'absolutely certain.' He noted that it would take 60 votes to break an anticipated Republican filibuster over cap and trade and predicted the most the Democrats can muster is about 34.
"He said all the hubbub in the House was over Pelosi’s desire to attend a conference in Copenhagen and be able to stand up and say, 'Oh, we’ve passed this out of the House and we’re going to lead the way in America but it’s not going to pass the Senate.”
Posted by: Danube of Thought | June 26, 2009 at 08:03 PM
I am not as confident as Inhofe. I have become Eyeore of late.
Posted by: Sue | June 26, 2009 at 08:05 PM
I made calls through out the day while watching the circus on the House floor. BOEHNER's smack down of Waxman and his reading of the 300 pg amendment changes were the highlights for me.
Interestingly, I got through to Chris Smith's office and was treated the worst; by the aide that answered his phone. He said the congressmen was reading the bill and had not decided. When I questioned how he could decide and vote yes, if he hadn't read the bill. I was asked for my name, address and phone number... and it was not in a polite way.
Posted by: Ann | June 26, 2009 at 08:07 PM
The mirror of Blue Dog Dems, those eight, who probably voted their constituency. Violet Warthog Republicans.
Posted by: Oh, well, the higher the Richter the more devastating the tsunami. | June 26, 2009 at 08:11 PM
I've never seen a Violet Warthog
I hope I never hug one.
But I can tell you. Kill that Goat,
The blood is now upon your vote.
Posted by: I think I've never heard so loud, the quiet message in a cloud. | June 26, 2009 at 08:14 PM
Three of the Republican ayes come from New Jersey -- so what kind of payoff to NJ do you suppose it took to suborn those votes?
Posted by: JM Hanes | June 26, 2009 at 08:24 PM
Eyeore...
Posted by: Old Lurker | June 26, 2009 at 08:30 PM
Chris @5:53
Interesting link and thank you for passing it along--I will be studying it.
GS was not the only dirty one in this play--GE's Immelt was for it up to his eyeballs. He was on Charlie Rose last evening and my take on the conversation was that GE really needs the money it will get from the government.
Posted by: glasater | June 26, 2009 at 08:30 PM
I don't think the 2 Republicans who didn't vote at all should get a pass either: John Sullivan (OK) and, of all people, Jeff Flake (AZ)!
Posted by: JM Hanes | June 26, 2009 at 08:33 PM
It's ultimately a loser for GE, too, and the longer their charade goes on the bigger the splat at the end. Speculators worldwide have already taken a very cleansing bath at the hands of the increasing skeptical bent of capital to the idea of funding this fraud. GE would be wise to start backpedaling, unless La Brea belabors its pediments.
Posted by: Gimme a short 'L'. | June 26, 2009 at 08:35 PM
The issue of the sonic pollution of windmills will come to the fore whenever they are within sensing, notice I didn't just say hearing, distance of people. The true costs of wind usually outweigh the benefits. Why do you think we quit using wind in the first place?
Posted by: Oh, ho, O. | June 26, 2009 at 08:42 PM
From a commenter at Ace's..."Today we are all Californians." There is more but man those boys sure can cuss over there. It is sheer poetry in cussing.
Posted by: Sue | June 26, 2009 at 08:44 PM
This is just another over-reach. If it passes the Senate, it should be pretty easy to explain to voters that they're paying for a superstition, foisted on us by shamen like Waxman and Algore. (I'd recommend dressing them up in photo-shopped witch-doctor costumes. Waxman would look particulary good in such garb.)
If this Washington Post poll is to be believed, there's a specific cross-over point at which people don't agree to be fleeced by these fraudulent scumbags.
This can only get worse of voters realize the earth has been cooling while CO2 has been rising, and that the shamen are claiming that "global warming" is just taking a vacation. Of course, it takes education, which is the biggest challenge.
I'd say Mrs. Palin is particularly well situated to start banging this drum, especially if gas prices keep rising in the middle of a recession.
At the very least, 0bama's claim that your taxes aren't going up one cent if your income is under $250K/yr is clearly a lie.
Posted by: Extraneus | June 26, 2009 at 08:54 PM
That's Cantor's job, not Steele's.
I understand that but Steele is exhibiting no leadership that I can see anywhere as far as promoting Republicans. Sorry but he came in claiming that things were gonna change and, if anything, they've only gotten worse. Anytime I hear him he sounds borderline illiterate; I realize that describes Carville and Begala but I hold Repubs to higher standards. Other than Boehner occasionally, the only Repubs that make me hopeful are Palin and the Cheneys; and the party is still full of backbiting snipers at Sarah who should reap some negative consequences for that.
Posted by: Captain Hate | June 26, 2009 at 08:58 PM
I thought it would interesting to compare Michelle Malkin's list of potential defectors to Mark Levin's list as posted over at Ace's place. Levin missed McHugh, Reichert and Smith. Malkin had 'em all.
Posted by: JM Hanes | June 26, 2009 at 08:59 PM
Extraneus,
Forget global warming,just tell them it will take food out of their children's mouths,wreck their standard of living and cost them money and jobs.Amazing how this chimes with ordinary people.
Posted by: Peter | June 26, 2009 at 08:59 PM
Having a primary defeat of them will mean NOTHING.
Fuck 'em. It will mean they are unemployed, and they can ponder why it came to pass.
Posted by: Soylent Red | June 26, 2009 at 09:02 PM
Cap'n,
I find Steele to border on incompetent (and he spends a lot of time across the border). If he does not sit down with Inhofe and work out a coherent statement contra Air Taxes prior to the Senate taking up the bill then I will urge people to contact the RNC requesting his resignation or firing.
Inhofe has a reasonable handle on the scientific fraud being perpetuated and might be able to lead Steele through TSD Draft Rebuttal to the EPA farce to the point where Steele could sound coherent.
If not - over the side with him.
Posted by: Rick Ballard | June 26, 2009 at 09:12 PM
I have to agree w. Captain H. on Steele, who is a major disappointment. He should have been out there selling the Republicans' "all of the above" energy plan and their alternative stimulus package every damn day. The Congressmen have all they can do to try to find out exactly what kind of legislation is going to get dumped on them next. I don't know how Steele is doing on the fundraising end, but if your message isn't out there, you might as well flush your gazillions down the tube.
Whether Palin could be an effective messenger is more than a little unclear. What is clear, however, is that on the most catastrophic bill to hit the Hill -- and in her one indisputable sphere of expertise -- she's been nowhere to be found, except responding to an offensive Dave Letterman crack. She's got a media access advantage over every other Republican in the country except possibly Dick Cheney, and as far as I'm concerned she's blown the leadership test big time.
Posted by: JM Hanes | June 26, 2009 at 09:12 PM
Well, with the full newly gained knowledge of how utterly stupid my fellow Americans are and how easily distracted they are by siny objects it really is getting harder and harder for me not to want to truly exploit them. They are begging to be demagogued into penury.
Posted by: clarice | June 26, 2009 at 09:17 PM
Rick,
We can skip the watermelon euphemism now.
Heh! No green,no more.
Hope the congresscritters are prepared for the wrath of their constituents when they find out what this idiocy is costing them.
HeritageFoundation has a breakdown by congressional district.
Scroll down for the table(PDF)
LUN
Posted by: SWarren | June 26, 2009 at 09:19 PM
The defecton is remarkable, and less defensible than a one would have been on the sim bill......I'm truly disappointed that I heard no arguments on the outdated science Dems are still using
Posted by: BobS | June 26, 2009 at 09:21 PM
"What is clear, however, is that on the most catastrophic bill to hit the Hill -- and in her one indisputable sphere of expertise -- she's been nowhere to be found, except responding to an offensive Dave Letterman crack."
Exactly. Thank you for saying that, JMH.
Ditto the above on Steel.
Posted by: Old Lurker | June 26, 2009 at 09:25 PM
She's got a media access advantage over every other Republican in the country except possibly Dick Cheney, and as far as I'm concerned she's blown the leadership test big time.
I agree with that. I just don't know that she doesn't have a strategy to lay low for the time being, let things play out, and decide exactly when and how to strike, because she surely knows she can strike whenever she wants to.
Speaking of Sarah, my guess is that she declines running for re-election and decides to go out on the road for Republican congressional candidates in 2010 instead. She can draw the crowds, hopefully influence some races, and make a lot of friends and allies with such a plan.
Posted by: Extraneus | June 26, 2009 at 09:25 PM
Steele
Posted by: Old Lurker | June 26, 2009 at 09:26 PM
The Congressmen have all they can do to try to find out exactly what kind of legislation is going to get dumped on them next.
This can't be accentuated too much; how can you vote on a bill that hasn't been read? Or better yet, how can you vote on a bill to be filled in later? I don't have cable but can somebody tell me how Boehner's reading of the amendment was shut down because there's no way he should've been able to make it through 200 pages.
Between Obumbler's screwing up the Iran situation and this travesty, the Repubs have numerous points to get across to fellow citizens, whether or not the MSM is along for the ride or not. The July 4th tea parties are extremely timely.
I disagree somewhat with JMH on Palin flunking the leadership test; when you have imbeciles like Letterman and Kerry taking shots at her at every opportunity, it's hard to stay above the fray, particularly when large segments of your own party are chortling between sips of lobster bisque at the country clubs. I think by addressing the troops she doesn't hurt herself at all but she has to soon adopt a Reagan strategy of addressing issues and suggesting alternatives; and she should have a hell of an opportunity for that.
Posted by: Captain Hate | June 26, 2009 at 09:39 PM
I didn't realize it was Sarah's job to single handedly defeat Democrat bills in the House.
Posted by: PaulL | June 26, 2009 at 09:40 PM
I meant 300 pages obviously
Posted by: Captain Hate | June 26, 2009 at 09:41 PM
This is from a local interview she gave the week before the trip to the lower 48, where she touted the pipeline agreement, she did seem resigned to the prospect of it's passage:
Michael Dukes: "Shouldn't we also be fighting the installation of Cap and Trade prior to having to face those boundaries?"
Governor Palin: "Yeah, and I'm not a defeatist. I'm not saying that Alaska's little voice will not be heard in the debate, but I am saying we have to be pragmatic. We have to be realistic about it, and if this is what is coming from this new administration especially, we have got to be ready for that and we have to do our part to remedy the problems that I believe Cap and Trade are going to cause."
Posted by: narciso | June 26, 2009 at 09:54 PM
If he does not sit down with Inhofe and work out a coherent statement contra Air Taxes prior to the Senate taking up the bill
This would be a good acid test; if he succeeds on this then there's hope and if not we're so goddamned screwed that he'll be an afterthought anyway. I hope Inhofe knows wtf he's doing.
Posted by: Captain Hate | June 26, 2009 at 09:58 PM
--Sorry but he came in claiming that things were gonna change and, if anything, they've only gotten worse.--
I'm so often wrong, let me take a little credit when I do actually get something right.
I did say Steele was going to be a waste from the start.
How come I'm only right on the bad stuff?
Posted by: Ignatz | June 26, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Captain,
Boehner made all of your points about voting on a bill without reading it and the outrage of adding 300 pages of changes at 3:09 am on the day they vote. He was not shut down and continued to go through the 300 pages point by point of heinous legislation they were trying to cram down our throats. He ended with a call for F.R.E.E.D.O.M.
He was allowed as much time as he wanted because there is a rule for the minority leader that lets him/her speak as long as they want. Played nostrildamus (Waxman) like a fiddle.
(Didn't preview, please forgive like my last post.) :)
Posted by: Ann | June 26, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Going from people who are inadvertently abetting treason, to those actively supporting it, another update on those peripatetic Myers clan, in the Journal
Posted by: narciso | June 26, 2009 at 10:05 PM
I'm not sure I recall a party leader setting the Congressional agenda..I thought they mostly dealt with fundraising/organizational structure/ etc.
Posted by: clarice | June 26, 2009 at 10:09 PM
Fuck 'em. It will mean they are unemployed, and they can ponder why it came to pass.
Step #2: Find a way to rescind their pensions.
Posted by: Jane | June 26, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Didn't mean to suggest I think Sarah is blowing it, btw. I don't. I think she has a plan.
Posted by: Extraneus | June 26, 2009 at 10:11 PM
That's a very forward looking statement by Palin. She's sharpening the sword for 2010 and 2012. She's gonna feel the duty.
Posted by: She's survived numerous trials by ordeal. Time to install a jury. | June 26, 2009 at 10:23 PM
Clarice,
I don't want Steele to set any agendas, I just want him to be able to articulate a coherent rationale in opposition to Air Taxes. Inhofe has the capability to spend a few hours with crayon and butcher paper to bring Steele and a few other of our illustrious numbskulls in the Senate to the point where they can rattle off a few talking points.
The science is by no means "settled" and the CBO economic "analysis" is risible.
Posted by: Rick Ballard | June 26, 2009 at 10:24 PM
Posted by: cathyf | June 26, 2009 at 10:25 PM
A study in contrasts.
Governor Palin: "I'm not a defeatist."
A couple of people here: "We are so screwed."
Posted by: PaulL | June 26, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Don't mean to be snarky (right now) but it does seem more than a little hypocritical to complain about having a cult following back when, then complain about not acting like a cult leader now.
Sometimes (like Iraq) you need to find out what works before wasting blood and treasure for show.
Posted by: boris | June 26, 2009 at 10:28 PM
I'm just dumbfounded this needed an
explanation to defeat it, I shouldn't be, but I am., We are made of carbon, we exhale it, practically every chemical of industrial
process releases it, consequently the price of everything that involves carbon will skyrocket, and we have no viable
alternatives. Feels like we're giving ourself that cocktail of demerol and oxycontin, for no good reason,
Posted by: narciso | June 26, 2009 at 10:35 PM
Why don't we draft the statement for Steele and suggest Inhofe present it to him.
We knoe it better than Steele or his staff do and Inhofe has a lot of work to do.
We should break it into two parts--
(a) The science--no global warming; or, at a minimum, insufficient evidence that there is; and nothing in this act will substantially change the situation if we are wrong
(b) the real costs..not only out of pocket and lost jobs, but lost opportunities. With all this money being sucked up on nonsense there will be none left to develop promising new technologies.
Stuff like that.
Haul kim back to work on (a); Rick, Rich and Cathy on (b)
With, of course, the invaluable help of the other bright ones here and perhaps jmh's editing and drafting skills.
It would beat moaning and gnashing and rending one's garments.
Posted by: clarice | June 26, 2009 at 10:37 PM
What is clear, however, is that on the most catastrophic bill to hit the Hill -- and in her one indisputable sphere of expertise -- she's been nowhere to be found, except responding to an offensive Dave Letterman crack. She's got a media access advantage over every other Republican in the country except possibly Dick Cheney, and as far as I'm concerned she's blown the leadership test big time.
Oh, Please.
Sarah Palin was all over the airwaves a week ago touting her pipeline deal, and how that was going to bring energy into the lower 48. Anybody with a brain knows where she stands on this. When is the last time you recall a governor injecting themselves into House or Senate deliberations?
That's what I thought.
Posted by: Pofarmer | June 26, 2009 at 10:38 PM
What is the full name and URL of "Ace's place?"
Posted by: Danube of Thought | June 26, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Oh-and a special section on CO2 and how idiotic it is to consider this something we can or should control the emissions of.
Posted by: clarice | June 26, 2009 at 10:39 PM
It should be noted that the graph above on cost to household is completely bogus. This bill will cost you multiple times that much just on electricity alone.
Posted by: Pofarmer | June 26, 2009 at 10:40 PM
American Thinker has two pieces that should be read by JOM. The one I agree with is here: Sarah Palin: Revenge of the Vagina (Monologues)
I had no idea that Glenn Close was such a rude piece of work.
Anyways, you can find the other. They both make you think. (Imagine that...AT makes you think :)) ::winking at you Clarice::
Posted by: Ann | June 26, 2009 at 10:45 PM
PaulL-
In the short term we are. We've got 219 people who should be tarred-and-feathered. An atrocity such as this should have never even come up. Even when environmentalism was in full flower in 1998, not a single Senator voted for the Kyoto Treaty. Now we have something that isn't even a complete bill (since it is revenue raising, would what Frank did even be Constitutional) and it is *maybe* a dead letter in the Senate. F'n madness.
Posted by: RichatUF | June 26, 2009 at 10:47 PM
Ace of Spades HQ
It's on the left sidebar under "Newsmakers Right" (that's way up above the "Price for Republican Party 2006 MidTerm Election Control")
Posted by: Rick Ballard | June 26, 2009 at 10:50 PM
DoT-
Ace of Spades HQ-vulgarity is a lifestyle.
Posted by: RichatUF | June 26, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Seems I'm slow again.
Posted by: RichatUF | June 26, 2009 at 10:52 PM