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July 01, 2009

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narciso

That maybe possible Ann, seeing how they disposed of him with the matter tangentially
related to Bain Capital in '94 in his race against Kennedy. Only Jeb had a tougher time of it that year. However it is almost
indisputable that the Mitt braintrust has not been shy in dissing Sarah in every forum. Murphy, Parker, Gray, Feehery, Laxalt
Madden, Harris, et al, ad infinitum. This sudden rollout in Politico, on Fox, on the Huffington Post (lol)?

Elliott

Happy anniversary, Sue.

Also, I believe that I. Lewis Libby's 2 years of supervised release should be ending this week.

Dissertations To Buy

Blogs are so interactive where we get lots of informative on any topics nice job keep it up !!

Parking Lot

Peter

I clicked your link because it looked interesting, but got a page saying I have to install "Silverlight" ... not sure I want to do that.

Old Lurker

"McCain was too old in 2008. Could he really be stupid enough to think he has a chance in a billion of making it in 2012? 2016?"

Oh Paul, Paul.

If you had lived in DC as long as I have, you would have a better grasp on the sheer lunacy of the egos of these folks. Even John (who served in Viet Nam) Kerry thinks he still has a shot.

Janet

"At one time, to do what the Obama administration is doing, it was customary to wear a mask.", and "...this is the collapse of civilization..."

I so agree PUK. Our nation has traveled far down this road - spiritual apostasy to degrading morality to political anarchy.

The Obama administration is pure propaganda. They are held to no standard. "The Standard" is only useful for destroying the opposition, they themselves are accountable to no standard.

Parking Lot

((but he's got a point, this is really about revenge and hatred-the circle is too small for the person driving it to be unknown. I'm also wondering if it actually Sen. McCain that's keeping this pot boiling.))

Perhaps he was not as happy about her rejuvenating his campaign as he appeared; her popularity might have raised the green beast of envy.

... going whacky conspirationist, I have have had fleeting moments, especially during the campaign when it seemed he did everything he could to lose, where I have imagined other more noxious scenarios regarding McCain and his motivations

Parking Lot

((McCain was too old in 2008. Could he really be stupid enough to think he has a chance in a billion of making it in 2012? 2016?))

I think he's that stupid because being in the Senate as long as he has divorces people from reality. However I don't see his age as the problem, it's his lack of leadership ability.

Jane

Happy Anniversary Sue and Mr Sue -

I don't know if I told this story but I had a rather ugly run in with our Lt Gov a couple of months ago. He kept saying that he and Deval Patrick had only had 2.5 years to clean up Romney's mess and that given how bad a governor he was (probably the balanced budget threw the Lt Gov) he couldn't imagine how he ever ran Bain Capital.

Then if got ugly.

Anyway, I'd put a couple of bucks on the notion that Romney is NOT behind all the Palin stuff. It's not his style.

Old Lurker

LUN from Drudge re the attitude of the Investor Class. Atlas is Shrugging.

Depressing tidbit from WaPo: Experienced Fed watchers know the two good ways to measure the expanding influence of the Feds in our lives are a)the number of pages in the Federal Register, and b) the number of Employees for Life hired by the Govt in DC. WaPo reports that DC agencies expect to add 120,000 new employess to their DC base.

Mixed feeling bout that. As a commercial real estate guy, I do the math of # employees Per Square Foot of office space and grin and the number of new buildings required to absorb that expansion, the number of apartments required to house them, and the number of shops required to cloth and feed them all. But as a member of the dwindling Taxpayer Class, I know the cost of their salaries and worse, the cost of dealing with what they produce, will more than consume the profits possible from having them here.

Which brings Atlas back full circle to the LUN.

Janet

Like many have said at JOM - the only reason I voted for McCain was because of Sarah Palin.

I see 3 types of Republicans : Conservatives, RINOS, and the MSM-led ones. McCain is a MSM-led one. I have more respect for RINOS (liberal republicans) than the MSM pleasing group. They have zero convictions.

I would have preferred Rudy Giuliani as the nominee, even though he was socially liberal, because at least I knew where he stood.

Parking Lot

((Most of these so called McCain advisors are really Mitt's minions. ))

who exactly are they? what is their names? the people who malign Sarah are often quoted as 'anonymous sources'

Parking Lot

((In re: Gov. Palin. I suppose I could see it being Mitt Romney, but it would take quite a bit for me to believe it. ))

me too

it's an ingenius whisper though because it kills two birds with one stone, both Mitt and Sarah, the two leading Republican hopefuls

RichatUF

And some green shoots: The BLS jobs report.

Some of the highlights:

The number of unemployed persons (14.7 million) and the unemployment rate (9.5 percent) were little changed in June.

Private hours of work dropped a tenth to 33.0.

Total nonfarm payroll employment continued to decline in June (-467,000).

This I still don't get: The change in total nonfarm employment for April was revised from
-504,000 to -519,000, and the change for May was revised from -345,000 to -322,000.

And I could find the firm birth/death number for June, but it was +319 for May.

narciso

I gave you their names. they say nearly the same things on the record, as they do off. If the media was honest(ha ha) we'd have a better grasp on this. The latest CBS story
points directly to Schmidt. Like I say if they spent a microfraction of time,attacking
the real adversary, we might actually get somewhere.

Parking Lot

((I gave you their names.))


who was the anonymous source quoted in RichatUF's link? how is he connected to Mitt?

RichatUF

oops-

I could*n't* find the firm birth/death number for June...

Parking Lot

((Anyway, I'd put a couple of bucks on the notion that Romney is NOT behind all the Palin stuff. It's not his style.))

I tend to agree; if Romney was a smear artist himself he wouldn't have been so vulnerable to McCain's smears against him during the campaign. He would have fought back with vile smears of his own, which he did not. Clearly the smear arena is not his area of expertise.

GMax

Forget that whitewash prose of the BLS, here is the real story:

The June job losses were more than 100,000 greater than the 363,000 consensus of Wall Street economists polled by Reuters and broke a four-month trend of moderation in job losses.

Yahoo

Seeing any green shoots?

clarice

Wash Post sells itself--brought to you by a lobbyist who rightly believed this was an outrageous breach of ethics:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/07/when_a_newspaper_blatantly_com.html

RichatUF

Parking Lot-

HA has the list narrowed down to Schmidt, Salter, and Davis. Not sure who would have made the comments in the way they did to the Washington Times. Those comments seem to take it from typical Washington backstabbing to a direct threat on her family. And in re: Romney, like I said in the other comment, he's not in office and could come up with a different electoral map, I don't see the necessity of trashing Gov. Palin. It also doesn't really seem his style to have some functionaries knee-capping her in such a personal and shitty way.

Rick Ballard

"It's not his style."

No. It's the style of an arrogant fool who hangars his ego in the Grand Canyon whenever he returns "home". Anyone with statewide recognition seeking to unseat McCain next year in the primary will get my support. The only upside to the Ogabe Regime in power is not having to watch to "my friends" stab everyone in sight in the back.

Rich,

The BLS numbers came in 104K worse than the "consensus" regarding job losses but the unemployment rate came in .1 better than the 9.6% consensus. As usual, the devil is in the details. The drop in average hours worked from 33.2 (Q1 average) to 33 (June average) represent the income loss of an additional 850K jobs over Q2. The adjusted unemployment rate would be 10.07% if the drop in hours worked were applied to the number unemployed.

RichatUF

GMax-
Seeing any green shoots?

No, I was being cheeky. I only looked at the front page, it appears that that the internal numbers are worse in the release. More like brown shoots, but it should be interesting to see the Administration spin it.

centralcal

Happy Anniversary to Sue and hubby.

I don't think the Sarah trashing is Romney's style, although there is always the possibility of "advisors" doing it.

McCain and his gang, on the other hand, are the sorts to engage in this kind of crap. And, I agree that McCain does think he still has a chance.

RichatUF

Rick-

It looks like the BLS had the labor force shrink by about 1% month-on-month if I'm reading the chart right. Maybe the retirement wave that was suppose to start in 2010 is getting an early start? Not sure.

RichatUF

And I'm listening to Dr. Romer. I feel like throwing something.

"We inheirited a very large budget deficit."

Untrue. It was 455 billion. The Obama Administration has blow it up to 2 trillion.

And yea, the administration might be interested in another stimulus package and solving healthcare would go a long way to solving the problems. I must have woken-up in a bearded Spock universe if what she said passes for economic analysis from MIT and Berkeley.

Is it too early to start drinking?

narciso

And there we have the real world application
of what happened last fall. Policies that make a bad situation immeasurably worse, that starve business of capital, that has government micromanaging every aspect of major corporations. I'm not naive enough seeing all this folderall, that McCain's crew could have been much better, but there
was a slim chance that we wouldn't be totally FUBARed

clarice

Happy Anniversary, Sue.

RichatUF

Wanted to really depress everyone with some links on Fannie and Freddie because one of them got another $7 billion and they both are upping there re-finance limit to 125% LTV. That's the real problem and Romer and Co ignoring it, doubling down on the bad policies that were a part of the crisis in the first place, is going to blow up in their face. The Fed can only do so much and if people are defaulting on loans now and the employment situation is weakening those same people are just going to default again. Putting people in homes at 125% LTV should be a crime.

MayBee

I don't believe McCain is responsible for the trashing of Sarah. The people who once worked for his campaign are independent contractors who no longer work for him, and are trying to blame her so they can get the next job.

McCain has no control over them. They are disgruntled, and it will come back to bite them at some point.

clarice

It will bite them, MayBee--Instapundit cites to a piece noting that they are now unemployable because the base will not tolerate them in any campaign.

Sometimes people get what they deserve.

Parking Lot

((the administration might be interested in another stimulus package))

thinking back, it is interesting how the NYT's article Rick B linked to applied a medical metaphor to the economic malaise, (patient's recovery has failed because not enough treatment has been applied), sort of conflating the economic theme with the health care theme

Sue

Thanks everyone!

Parking Lot

((I don't believe McCain is responsible for the trashing of Sarah. The people who once worked for his campaign are independent contractors who no longer work for him, and are trying to blame her so they can get the next job.))


then why does he not jump into the fray and loudly defend her?

Rick Ballard

Rich,

Nice catch on retirements. I hadn't checked the data lately. The annualized rate of increase in the number of people retiring last June was 592K. Today's rate is 1,061K. That's just under 40K more per month leaving the workforce and it exceeds BLS estimates by quite a bit.

MayBee

then why does he not jump into the fray and loudly defend her?

Because it just adds noise. As I said, these people will get theirs, and the best thing he can do is let that happen.

narciso

Happy anniversary, Sue

Porchlight

Belated happy anniversary to Sue and Mr. Sue! Hope it was a great one.

Don't worry, honey; he's one, too.

Do you think we are puppets? Helen Thomas catches a clue.

MayBee

Don't worry, honey; he's one, too.

Ha!

boris

"best thing he can do is let that happen"

Fair or not McCain is taking the hit also. That's pretty far from "the best thing he can do".

RichatUF

Parking Lot-

They are going to have to do alot of conflating. This healthcare business the Administration is pushing is bizarre. It isn't the problem and if they don't get serious about solving the problems the US and the world could go into another economic cardiac arrest.

It's crazy-125% LTV on GSEs, a vote-buying program that hasn't been spent and won' help when it is, a congress and Admnistration czars that want to set pay and all manner of capracious rules and regulations...

RichatUF

I knew it was going to get bad, but good grief, it took about 2 years for the Carter Administration's incompetence and arrogance to show up. These guys are out doing him by a wide margin.

MayBee

Fair or not McCain is taking the hit also. That's pretty far from "the best thing he can do".

I think it's better for her.
It isn't good for her to be seen as someone in need of rescue by a male politician.

Porchlight

Rasmussen has Zero's approval index at -2 today. Third straight day in negative territory and down from -1 yesterday. Also, only 53% approve overall, an all-time low he's hit only twice before (on 6/6 and 6/7). Only 42% approve his handling of the economy, another all-time low.

Just in time for the Tea Parties. Keep it up, Barry.

Parking Lot

((I think it's better for her.
It isn't good for her to be seen as someone in need of rescue by a male politician.))

I don't think it's good for conservatives to accept the premise that gender politics trumps right and wrong; if someone is being dishonestly and maliciously maligned it behooves any person of decency to defend that person, be they male or female

MayBee

I don't think it's good for conservatives to accept the premise that gender politics trumps right and wrong; if someone is being dishonestly and maliciously maligned it behooves any person of decency to defend that person, be they male or female

To be honest, I don't think there would be all the cries for McCain to defend Palin if she were male.

Politicians sticking up for other politicians isn't the norm. Whether that's good or bad, I can't say. But serious politicians learn to stick up for themselves.

Sue

Michelle Malkin is tweeting that the Jackson family is charging $25 per head to attend the funeral. Oh. My. God. No wonder MJ was a fruitloop.

boris

Who remembers Rick Lazio?

Whatever McCain's peeps are doing reflects on McCain. Sarah is not obliged to defend McCain from the misbehavoir of his own crew.

Since when is the target of any malicious gossip required to "stick up for themself"? Criticizing that kind of backstabbing is setting a standard, not "male chauvinism".

Sue

You know, they buried Elvis at Graceland in part to protect people from robbing his grave (ugh!). I wonder why they won't be worried someone would steal MJ's body too? Looks to me like Neverland would be the right place to bury him. I also want to tell Jamie Foxx they can have him! If anyone saw Foxx's performance the other night, you'll know what I'm referring to.

narciso

No,I have no doubt that she will weather it, she is the only one that does not bend
against the gale storms that have been whipping around since August. But this party 'supposedly' says it values life and motherhood, and parents of veteran, that the truth matters

MayBee

Sarah is not obliged to defend McCain from the misbehavoir of his own crew.

Of course she isn't.

We're going to disagree. I don't think we'd see these calls for McCain to stick up for another politician against desperate attacks from former employees if it were a male getting this treatment.

I don't remember a lot of people calling on Kerry to stick up for Edwards when Shrum wrote his book. I don't remember it being demanded of Bush to stick up for Quayle after their term was over.
Clinton and Gore can barely stand to be in the same room, and I've never seen one stick up for the other.

I think Schmidt will get his because he is transparently smarmy.

MayBee

Sue- I think Neverland would be the perfect place to bury Jackson as well. They need to get the current owners to agree.

Jane

Michelle Malkin is tweeting that the Jackson family is charging $25 per head to attend the funeral.

Dad was left out of the will - he has to make money somewhere.

Can you imagine...

boris

"I don't think we'd see these calls for McCain to stick up for another politician against desperate attacks from former employees if it were a male getting this treatment"

Frankly your ability to read my mind seems to be on the fritz today.

There is no question that the MSM attention to the gossip has everything to do with her being female. So in the alternate universe where Sarah is male we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

boris

If McCain looks more the cad because Sarah is a lady ... too bad.

MayBee

Frankly your ability to read my mind seems to be on the fritz today.

I'm not trying to read your mind.

boris

"I'm not trying to read your mind"

So your point was completely irrelevant to my commant that what McCain's peeps are doing reflects on McCain?

Seemed to me you were conflating that with "calls for McCain to stick up for" Sarah just because she's not male. I don't care why anybody else is dissing McCain.

Pofarmer

There is no question that the MSM attention to the gossip has everything to do with her being female. So in the alternate universe where Sarah is male we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Agreed. I can't ever recall a male politician going through what Palin has gone through.

Extraneus

I can see both sides, but it would have been easy for McCain to come out with a statement early on to the effect that "Governor Palin was the best thing to happen to my campaign." Most of this back-stabbing would have ended right there, but he just couldn't do it.

I don't see any way he's not behind some of this.

MayBee

Agreed. I can't ever recall a male politician going through what Palin has gone through.

I don't either, although Dan Quayle came pretty close. And John Edwards, even pre-affair, was not treated especially kindly by many. Ann Coulter called him a faggot (or whatever). Of course, I enjoyed his maltreatment.

MayBee

Most of this back-stabbing would have ended right there, but he just couldn't do it

Why do you think so?
These people are trying to save their own reputations by dragging her down. Any word from John McCain wouldn't stop that, because it wouldn't help them.

boris

Quayle was not even close. Silky pony is only comparable to the extent that Ann, Rush and Laura are comparable to the entire MSM and dimorat party. Even so that was opposition based not friendly fire.

MayBee

Todd Purdham wrote a disgusting hit piece on Bill Clinton during the primaries.

MayBee

Quayle was pretty close, given the media environment of the time. His political career was over once they'd finished with him.

Bob Shrum wrote the juicy tidbits about how creepy John Edwards was regarding Wade. He said a lot of bad things about him from the Kerry/Edwards campaign.

PeterUK

The White House announced today,that in honour of Michael Jackson,whose untimely demise covered up the debacle over Iran and the disastrous Cap and Trash Bill,America is going to be renamed "Neverland".

MayBee

...And I don't mean to deny Sarah Palin is treated really horribly, mostly because she is a conservative woman. It disgusts me.

I don't think that's why Schmidt is doing this, though. Or I should say- the cause and effect aren't that direct. She is treated horribly, so people's opinions of her have become warped. Because of that, Schmidt wants to distance himself from her. He does it by saying what he thinks people want to hear, because that is the path of least resistance for his gossip.

The more people believe his gossip, the more the election loss becomes her fault and not his. Can't people see he did everything he could with a lunatic? He couldn't have won that race, so don't blame him!

RichatUF

Quayle wasn't trashed 7 months into the new administration either, neither was Kemp, Edwards, or Lieberman. The current round of attacks are rehashing the garbage from the tail end of the campaign. Edwards (in a sign of how far we've fallen) was considered a solid candidate when he kicked off his Presidential campaign in 2007. Good grief, I can't believe that McCain's staffers are still fighting 2008. They lost-elections have consequences. It was McCain's own crappy campaign finance reforms that made his loss all but assured when he accepted public financing, regardless of whom he picked as VP.

Extraneus

Why do you think so?

Maybe wishful thinking, but it just seems the boss's assessment would have been worth something. The stabbers would have had to stab him *and* her to do what they're doing so easily now that he's gallantly stepped out of the way.

Parking Lot

((The more people believe his gossip, the more the election loss becomes her fault and not his. Can't people see he did everything he could with a lunatic? He couldn't have won that race, so don't blame him!))

Who cares about Schmidt? To political junkies maybe this insider stuff is important, but in the bigger picture Joe and Jill Public don't know Schmidt from a fence post. They only hear the malicious gossip and they only know it's associated with John McCain's campaign. That's where and why the damage needs to be repaired, no one could do it better than McCain and his silence is tacit public confirmation that the bs is true.

MayBee

Maybe wishful thinking, but it just seems the boss's assessment would have been worth something.

He's not their boss anymore. He lost the election. They would stab him if it helped them to get the next job, but the market is already there for Palin-hate.

Remember, it was a former staffer who told the NYTs of the "fears" there had been an affair with Vicki Iseman.

MayBee

That's where and why the damage needs to be repaired, no one could do it better than McCain and his silence is tacit public confirmation that the bs is true.

Well again, we just disagree.
The best way to repair the damage is for Palin to continue to make good solid speeches, continue making good policy in Alaska, and to demonstrate a command of the facts and nuances of US foreign and domestic policy in interviews.

boris

Well again, my point is the damage to McCain, not Sarah. McCain has failed to repeair the damage to his own reputation.

Jane

These people are trying to save their own reputations by dragging her down.

I heard someone say on Fox this AM that these people are looking for jobs in 2012 and since they screwed Palin Romney is their best hope. So they are doing this to her to make sure she doesn't get the nomination.

Porchlight

I don't think the personal reputation of any politician on the national level has been this trashed closely examined except Bill Clinton's, and that only happened after he became President, which put him on a different level. Not to mention his behavior invited it.

Certainly no candidate has had this type of treatment from the press so long after the battle was over. Typically they just do a few post-mortems and then move along.

Porchlight

So they are doing this to her to make sure she doesn't get the nomination.

Makes sense to me.

PD

I heard someone say on Fox this AM that these people are looking for jobs in 2012 and since they screwed Palin Romney is their best hope. So they are doing this to her to make sure she doesn't get the nomination.

And these are people who worked for the campaign with the "Country First" slogan.

Extraneus

There aren't that many of them that they can't be taken out first.

centralcal

I heard someone say on Fox this AM that these people are looking for jobs in 2012 and since they screwed Palin Romney is their best hope.

Jane, Angela Tarantos (or something like that) said Romney OR whomever was the candidate in 2012. (other than Palin, of course!)

Personally, after reading the Hemingway piece at NRO, I would like to see Schmidt and Wallace permanently retired.

daddy

I don't think trashing Sarah fits Mitt's personality either.

But a question:

Just about last election time, I seem to recall that a movie was being made about the Mountain Meadows Massacre, a dark period in Mormon History from about 1857 wherein Brigham Young supposedly ordered his henchmen to massacre a passing wagon train of apostates fleeing Utah westward---something like that. My supposition was that it was being made partly to be unveiled near election time so as to slam Romney's Mormon faith in the minds of the voting public. But since he got wiped out in the primaries, I never heard about the movie again. Does anyone know if it was ever completed and released to theaters, or was it junked as simply a lousy flick, or as not necessary since he was eliminated. Do you guys remember anything about that, or is my memory faulty. It's tough enough I suppose just keeping up with the real slurs against Conservatives as opposed to just rumored or potential slurs against our candidates.

narciso

It was released, as September Dawn, Daddy, Jon Voight was in it, he picks some interesting projects with the evil ,
mercenary CEO on '24, a Rumsfeldesque Defense chief in Transformer, FDR in Pearl
Harbor

Pagar

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