Saturday Morning

God's partner renders unto... well, the US justice system for a bribery charge.

This is a bit glib - Greg Mankiw declares that we are all supply-siders but I think as a start we need comparisons of per-capita GDP growth under different tax regimes to complete the case.

Health insurance mandates unconstitutional?  What gets priority, the Constitution or God's partner?  [No Sale from J Adler of the Volokhs.]

SATURDAY EVENING:

From the Times: Critics Driven by Racial Bias, Paterson Says

Nonsense - it's because he's handicapped.

Comments

[the bishop]

Well, right off the back there this tidbit from NewsWeek, filtered through another source, it's a little "Reservoir Dogs" for me, but it's less than what Jack Bauer does
in a half an hour, and we're talking of Al Nashiri, here

[Pofarmer]

I'm gonna shamelessly repost another tidbit from Newagtalk.

Dr. Krauthammer is on Fox News. He is an M.D. and a lawyer and is paralyzed from the neck down. A friend went to hear Charles Krauthammer. He listened with 25 others in a closed room. What he says here, is NOT 2nd-hand but 1st. The ramifications are staggering for us, our children and their children..

Last Monday was a profound evening, hearing Dr. Charles Krauthammer speak to the Center for20the American Experiment. He is brilliant intellectual, seasoned & articulate. He is forthright and careful in his analysis, and never resorts to emotions or personal insults. He is NOT a fear monger nor an extremist in his comments and views. He is a fiscal conservative, and has received a Pulitzer Prize for writing. He is a frequent contributor to Fox News and writes weekly for the Washington Post. The entire room was held spellbound during his talk. I have summarized his comments, as we are living in uncharted waters economically and in ternationally. Even 2 Dems at my table agreed with everything he said! If you feel like forwarding this to those who are open minded and have not drunk the Kool-Aid, feel free.

Summary of his comments:

1. Mr. Obama is a very intellectual, charming individual. He is not to b e underestimated. He is a cool customer who doesn't show his emotions. It's very hard to know what's behind the mask. The taking down of the Clinton dynasty by a political neophyte was an amazing accomplishment. The Clintons still do not understand what hit them. Obama was in the perfect place at the perfect time.

2. Obama has political skills comparable to Reagan and Clinton. He has a way of making you think he's on your side, agreeing with your position, while doing the opposite. Pay no attention to what he SAYS; rather, watch what he DOES!

3. Obama has a ruthless quest for power. He did not come to Washington to make something out of himself, but rather to change=2 0everything, including dismantling capitalism. He can’t be straightforward on his ambitions, as the public would not go along. He has a heavy hand, and wants to level the playing field with income redistribution and punishment to the achievers of society. He would like to model the USA to Great Britain or Canada .

4. His three main goals are to control ENERGY, PUBLIC EDUCATION, and NATIONAL HEALTHCARE by the Federal government. He doesn't care about the auto or financial services industries, but got them as an early bonus. The cap and trade will add costs to everything and stifle growth. Pay ing for FREE college education is his goal. Most scary is his health care program, because if you make it FREE and add 46,000,000 people to a Medicare-type single-payer system, the costs will go through the roof. The only way to20control costs is with massive RATIONING of services, like in Canada . God forbid!

5. He has surrounded himself with mostly far-left academic types. No one around him has ever even run a candy store. But they are going to try and run the auto, financial, banking and other industries. This obviously can’t work in the long run.. Obama is not a socialist; rather he's a far-left secular progressive bent on nothing short of revolution. He ran as a moderate, but will govern from the hard left.20Again, watch what he does, not what he says.

6. Obama doesn’t really see himself as President of the United States , but more as a ruler over the world. He sees himself above it all, trying to orchestrate & coordinate various countries and their agendas. He sees moral equivalency in all cultures. His apology tour in Germany and England was a prime example of how he sees America , as an imperialist nation that has been arrogant, rather than a great noble nation that has at times made errors. This is the first President ever who has chastised our allies and appeased our enemies!

&nb sp; 7. He is now handing out goodies. He hopes that the bill (and pain) will not come due until after he is reelected in 2012. He would like to blame all problems on Bush from the past, and hopefully his successor in the future. He has a huge ego, and Dr. Krauthammer believes he is a narcissist.

8. Republicans are in the wilderness for a while, but will emerge strong. Republicans are pining for another Reagan, but there will never be another like him. Krauthammer believes Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty & Bobby Jindahl (except for his terrible speech in February) are the future of the party. Newt Gingrich is brilliant, but has baggage. Sarah Palin i s sincere and intelligent, but needs to really be seriously boning up on facts and info if she is to be a serious candidate in the future. We need to return to the party of lower taxes, smaller government, personal responsibility, strong national defense, and state’s rights.

9. The current level of spending is irresponsible and outrageous. We are spending trillions that we don’t have. This could lead to hyperinflation, depression or worse. No country has ever spent themselves into prosperity. The media is giving Obama, Reid and Pelosi a pass because they love their agenda. But eventually the bill will come due and people will realize the huge bailouts didn’t work, nor will the stimulus package. These were trillion-dollar payoffs to Obama’s allies, unions and the Congress to placate the left, so he can get support for #4 above.

10. The election was over in mid-Sept ember when Lehman brothers failed, fear and panic swept in, we had an unpopular President, and the war was grinding on indefinitely without a clear outcome. The people are in pain, and the mantra of change caused people to act emotionally. Any Dem would have won this election; it was surprising it was as close as it was.

11. In 2012, if the unemployment rate=2 0is over 10%, Republicans will be swept back into power. If it's under 8%, the Dems continue to roll. If it's between 8-10%, it will be a dogfight. It will all be about the economy. I hope this gets you really thinking about what's happening in Washington and Congress. There is a left-wing revolution going on, according to Krauthammer, and he encourages us to keep the faith and join the loyal resistance. The work will be hard, but we’re right on most issues and can reclaim our country, before it's far too late.

[Hugo Montenegro]

Does 'Supply side' include the free market of information?

"... the banking sector has been very powerful. Three decades ago, Pierre Bourdieu, a French sociologist, observed that elites in a society typically maintain their power not simply by controlling the means of production (ie money), but by dominating the cultural discourse too (ie a society’s intellectual map). And what is most important in relation to that cognitive map is not what is overtly stated and discussed – but what is left unstated, or ignored. Or as he wrote: “The most successful ideological effects are those which have no need of words, and ask no more than a complicitous silence.”

The western financial system is a powerful case in point. For the first seven years of this decade, most politicians, voters (and journalists) effectively ignored the extraordinary revolution brewing in the debt and derivatives world, because these areas of finance were widely (and wrongly) believed to be very boring, or so complex they could only be understood by a tiny technocratic elite.

That essentially left bankers free to operate with minimal external scrutiny. It also meant there was little discussion about the inconsistencies that plagued the free-market rhetoric – or intellectual map – that ruled the day. And these paradoxes were numerous.

One of the founding principles of free market theory, for example, is the idea that markets work best when there is a free flow of information.

Yet, some of those bankers who have been promoting free market rhetoric in recent years have also been preventing the widespread dissemination of detailed data on, say, credit derivatives prices. Similarly, while bankers have taken the idea of creative destruction as an article of faith, in terms of how markets are supposed to work, they have been operating on the assumption that their own industry would never suffer too violent a wave of creative destruction."

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/96810a0e-8d8f-11de-93df-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1

[Hugo Montenegro]

You should be reading Brad Delong instead of Mankin, Tom.

[boris]

Po, IIRC Dr K wrote that was not a fair summary of his talk.

[Pofarmer]

Thanks boris. Ya know, after you posted that, I now remember a little kerfluffle about that, what, a week or so ago? So much disinfo going on.

[sbw]

You should read Mankiw instead of DeLong, Hugo.

[the bishop]

Well we've seen how Krauthammer was very premature with those conclusions, we have
a very solid understanding of who he is, and it is narcissism but with a ideological purpose. Jindal is supposedly the health
care guru, he could barely be bothered for
one op ed, and he's rested on his laurels.
He was one of those who tried to fight the stimulus, but the corrupt hogs in Baton Rouge ultimately stabbed him in the back,
'accidentally' voting for the funds.
Pawlenty is a good cure for insomnia, and his policy critique is weak. Romney was willing to go along with too many of the inititiaves, like the auto takeover and really doesn't have grounds to challenge
national health care. Demint has basically
run the Senate's ground game, with Coburn
providing support, good there's at least
one doctor in the mix.

[bad s##t]

BTW, Factcheck.org says the healthcare bill WILL fund abortions despite the presidebt's rhetoric calling it a myth.

LUN

[Hugo Montenegro]

Krauthammer pines for another RWR.

Steve Benen;

. We have to fight for it and protect it, and then hand it to them so that they shall do the same, or we're going to find ourselves spending our sunset years telling our children and our children's children about a time in America, back in the day, when men and women were free."

The problem with the quote was that Reagan was, at the time, condemning the very idea of Medicare. In context, Reagan actually said, "[I]f you don't [stop Medicare] and I don't do it, one of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it once was like in America when men were free." The line wasn't about "freedom," it was about a program to provide seniors with health care."

http://www.larrydewitt.net/Essays/Reagan.htm

[Ranger]

Jim Cramer did a bit recently showing how the http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/21/video-is-obamas-loss-wall-streets-gain/>improvement in the S&P 500 tracks with the increase in Obama's disaproval numbers. I think he was really enjoying sliding that knife in given all the crap he took a few months ago.

[Ranger]

The line wasn't about "freedom," it was about a program to provide seniors with health care."

Actually, it was about both at the same time. Going back to Lincoln:

Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security

In this case, the security in question is your physical health. Puting the government in charge of security your health means you are sacrificing the liberty to choose how to manage your health decisions yourself. The fact that many on the left are now demanding "Midicare for all" is an indication of how correct Reagan was about what the eventual outcome of adopting Medicare would be.

[the bishop]

Hugo, you know Steven Benen, is a touch below the usual Journolister we have contempt for here. WTH is Larry DEwitt and when did his opinion matter to anyone. The people of Eastern Europe, don't respect
Larry Dewitt. The time when the Barings
and the Rothschilds ruled the roost has long passed, Bourdieu, as an authority, really, maybe Ferguson although he's gone
a little wobbly lately, not enough though
to avoid getting sniped by Krugman. Maybe
you'll quote some John K Galbraith while you're at it.

[Hugo Montenegro]

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2009/08/the_rationing_canard.cfm

Martin Feldstein eats a bullet

[Captain Hate]

Already there's been a punt hit the HD-tron in the $1.2 beeyun Dalla$ Cowboy$ plea$ure palace. All that money; so little sense. Since the NFL geniuses signed off on the design, which only has the scoreboard 100 feet above the field, this is in the lap of barely trained monkey Goodell. The rule when a punt hits the scoreboard: They do it over again. Lollerz at running a major sports league that way.

[Pope of Antipathy]

Let's kill Medicare, Now!

[Point of Order]

Vote for Bush or Die

"On August 11, John Kerry criticized the Bush Administration for blocking a bipartisan plan to give seniors access to lower-priced prescription drugs from Canada. With almost 80 percent of Medicare recipients supporting Kerry's position, the Bush campaign was faced with the prospect of defending a politically unpopular position."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20040927/legum

[Ignatz]

--Let's kill Medicare, Now!--

Since it's unfunded liabilities are presently about 85 TRILLION! dollars; if we don't kill it, it's going to kill us.
When you add in SS unfunded liabilities you reach a figure of 81% for how much the current income tax would have to increase to prevent these programs from going broke. And of course that doesn't include how much we will need to increase taxes to cover Barry's crackpot ideas too.

[hrtshpdbox]

As long as Kruathammer talks up wet dishrags like Pawlenty and Romney, while dismissing Sarah Palin, I ain't gonna be thinking much of his acumen in general.

[pagar]

I posted this on another post before I knew this one was alive. It fits here better.

From the makes no sense dept.

As the President said, it would be illegal for us to send to a dealer a check for an application that wasn’t complete.

Most members of Congress have had no meaningful opportunity to read, let alone digest, the bill. The same is true for most legislative staff.

UPDATE: FWIW, the Waxman-Markey climate bill passed 219-212. Any guess how many of those 219 (or, for that matter, the 212) really know everything that is in the bill?

SECOND UPDATE: As it turns out, there was not even a copy of the final bill language available in any form when the bill passed. Rather, as David Freddoso reports, the House Clerk had a copy of the 1090-page bill that emerged by committee and a copy of the 300-page set of amendments agreed upon at 3am Friday morning, and many provisions in the latter consist of the likes of "Page 15, beginning line 8, strike paragraph (11) . . ." In other words, it is highly doubtful that more than a handful of member of Congress knew the contents of the legislation they voted on. (LvPL)

I believe the tea parties are a good idea, but I believe a better idea would be to charge every member of Congress with dereliction of duty unless they can prove they have read each bill. In addition, I believe many of the staff members should be charged with the same charge.

[Point of Order]

"Honey I'm Home"!

[Ignatz]

And I might add that 81% increase should provide an answer for TM's request for GDP growth numbers under different tax regimes.

[Captain Hate]

As long as Kruathammer talks up wet dishrags like Pawlenty and Romney, while dismissing Sarah Palin, I ain't gonna be thinking much of his acumen in general.

The Hammer has been remarkably tone-deaf on this, no? After doing a mea culpa on completely misreading the opposition to ObamaDon'tCare, he ignores the person who galvanized the charge. WTF Charles?

[Point of Order]

"Since it's unfunded liabilities are presently about 85 TRILLION! dollars; if we don't kill it, it's going to kill us."

A courageous admission

There is hope for the Republicans.

[Ranger]

Instapudit links to a Mark Steyn bit with this exceprt:

“Meanwhile, in Brazil, India, China, Japan and much of Continental Europe the recession has ended. In the second quarter this year, both the French and German economies grew by 0.3 percent, while the U.S. economy shrank by 1 percent. How can that be? Unlike America, France and Germany had no government stimulus worth speaking of, the Germans declining to go the Obama route on the quaint grounds that they couldn’t afford it. . . . And yet their recession has gone away. Of the world’s biggest economies, only the U.S., Britain and Italy are still contracting. All three are big stimulators, though Gordon Brown and Silvio Berlusconi can’t compete with Obama’s $800 billion porkapalooza. The president has borrowed more money to spend to less effect than anybody on the planet.”

I've been wondering when someone was going to bring up this point. It is very clear now that the Porkulus did actually make things much worse in the long run.

[Jim Ryan]

Kill Medicare? He's dead, Jim. Ras: 49% want Social Security to be optional. Medicare and ss are stinking cadavers. Sometimes the police answer calls about a foul smell coming from a house. They find a cadaver. And a senile spouse living in denial.

I know, let's extend Medicare to everyone and get rid of private insurance altogether! It's a no-brainer.

[Ignatz]

--A courageous admission

There is hope for the Republicans.--

Too bad neither comment can be applied to the Dems or the left in general.

[the bishop]

If the comments on his Townhall piece are any indication, he was probably deluged with mail and email after that one were voluminous and probably a little venomous.
Specially since he essentially concurred with her conclusion. Then again, a lot of people though Jefferson Smith, was mucking
up the relief bill, too.

[hrtshpdbox]

After doing a mea culpa on completely misreading the opposition to ObamaDon'tCare, he ignores the person who galvanized the charge.

No one on the left, and very few people on the right, want to admit that Sarah (from her PC) created the seismic "death panels" meme. I mean, it just doesn't seem possible, so it must not be true (why, the woman ....doesn't even hold elected office!). When she similarly tears apart cap-and-trade, and probably ends up altering that debate as well, it will be just another fluke (the kind of flukes that other pols would die for).

[hugo Montenegro]

"the Porkulus did actually make things much worse in the long run."

Yes, Economoreists say the Depression was extended due o FDR's relief programs. What isn't measured is the softer landing for most of the Nations's hardest hit.

[the bishop]

"I'm a Doctor, not a. . ." is that what the unfunded liabilities are, well to use another quote "Game over, Man" goes along with "Nuke it from orbit, only way to be
sure"

[Jim Ryan]

The intellectual-style conservative is prone to cowardice when it comes to Reagan and Palin. Before his intellectual brethren, whose opinion they cherish above all else, he may not show full-throated support for a non-intellectual leader, or one successfully portrayed as non-intellectual. He dares to support Reagan only while evincing a certain reluctance and disdain in their facial expressions. If you are successfully portrayed as an "amiable dunce" you have to win a world war and straighten out a national economy in order to earn the intellectual conservative's support. He will not support Palin. She zeros right in on the correct answers and has executive talent, but that is not enough. Immediate shame awaits any intellectual conservative who supports her. He is only dimly aware of this cowardice.

[Original MikeS]

I was in favor of a stimulus bill. In fact I still wish we would have passed one.

[Point of Order]

"Yes, Economoreists say the Depression was extended due o FDR's relief programs. What isn't measured is the softer landing for most of the Nations's hardest hit."

Yes,WWII was a great cushion.

[the bishop]

Well he was for Mondale, but I thought that kind of thinking had passed. So I guess we're condemned to the prospect of a Rockefeller or Scranton type like Pawlenty
or Romney. Somehow I don't think that will
be so.

[Jim Ryan]

Great, quotes, bishop!

Anyone have any more sci-fi quotes that describe this mess?

[glenda baby buns]

I'm catching up on the monikers--which one of you is DoT? I figured out Narciso.

And I'm with hrtshpdbox re:Palin :-)

[PeterUK]

"1. Mr. Obama is a very intellectual, charming individual. He is not to b e underestimated. He is a cool customer who doesn't show his emotions. It's very hard to know what's behind the mask. The taking down of the Clinton dynasty by a political neophyte was an amazing accomplishment. The Clintons still do not understand what hit them. Obama was in the perfect place at the perfect time."

That is mistaking intellect for street smarts.
Obama didn't take down the Clintons,he out spent them,if fact he out spent nearly everyone in the history of politics.Somebody owns him.

[Original MikeS]

So I guess we're condemned to the prospect of a...

If Sarah would start to employ a more formal speaking style, I think the press would come to the opinion that she was "maturing" as a leader. That with images of her in discussion with Phd types, (nuclear energy, economics, etc.) would imply / impute "gravitas" on those issues.

[Jim Ryan]

Mr. Obama is a very intellectual

Right. The intellectual must agree with other intellectuals on the intellectual prowess of a newcomer. They worship the intellect together, never apart. It's their fetish and they don't care how accurate they are in discerning where it exists. They adore adoring it. Sure, some intellectuals have backbones and love truth more than the intellect. They swim against the current and are branded as eccentric by their colleagues.

Obama is very intellectual? Any important articles published? Any intellectual accomplishments in 48 years? As Shwartzkopt might have said, aside from that he's very intellectual.

[Captain Hate]

If Sarah would start to employ a more formal speaking style, I think the press would come to the opinion that she was "maturing" as a leader. That with images of her in discussion with Phd types, (nuclear energy, economics, etc.) would imply / impute "gravitas" on those issues.

Sorry MikeS; I usually agree with you but this isn't gonna fly. The press that said to Gibbs "how can we help you" isn't ever gonna cut her the slightest amount of slack. She has to keep going with her "end around" play to completely keep them out of the loop until they've been so discredited/marginalized that she can dictate the terms to them.

[Jim Ryan]

Cap'n, right. Reagan went right over their heads, just spoke to the camera. Bingo.

[clarice]

Glenda, DoT is Danube of Thought formerly known as Other Tom.

[centralcal]

Clarice: I think Glenda thinks one of the new commenter monikers being used today is our pal DoT/OT.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

I believe the tea parties are a good idea, but I believe a better idea would be to charge every member of Congress with dereliction of duty unless they can prove they have read each bill. In addition, I believe many of the staff members should be charged with the same charge.

Not to request a hint of verisimilitude here, but charge them how? In what venue?

[bad s##t]

DoT is active over at Tapper's blog. My heart soars every time he rips the hapless libs there.

[clarice]

Ah, cc..sorry I'm a bit more out of it than usual.

PUK--there's a rival for my affections over there.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208291/I-love-trains-think-I-job-Bosses-touched-year-olds-application-National-Railway-Museum-director.html>A little sherbet

[centralcal]

FOX News is reporting that the White House has admitted to hiring some firm to send out emails . . .

well, that's another weekend info drop!

[bad s##t]

Oh my goodness, Clarice. I'll mud wrestle you for that precious sweetie pie.

[centralcal]

What a cutey!

[clarice]

I'm afraid PUK just might--just might--be history as my no. 1 Brit main squeeze..

[Original MikeS]

The notion that income equality is such a desirable thing that it ought to be the goal of government, confounds me.
We don't expect government to provide height equality, weight equality, IQ equality, food equality, sleep equality.

Of course I do understand that some people were born rich, and others have been extremely lucky financially, and still others have worked their butts off in pursuit of income, and I realize that Liberals get all wee wee'd up over that fact. They are very angry at the rich and they just don't want to take it any more.

If they told me their goal was to help all people make more income or to increase opportunities to make more income, I could see some sense in that.

[Sue The Bastard]

Obama is at -10 in the Presidential Approval Index. 2nd time he has seen that number. The 1st time was after calling the Cambridge cops stupid. He didn't call anyone stupid and I missed it, did he? If not, he is sinking fast on healthcare.

[clarice]

Sue, I think the wee weed and the WH farmers market did it along with the oops there's another $2 trillion deficit PLUS no stimulus at all that anyone can measure.

You can hide the fact that he's a moron just so long--unless you can find a way to rev up the teleprompter without anyone noticing it.

[Porchlight]

The Ras number is encouraging because it looked like he was starting to catch up again earlier this week. Guess that rebound got all wee-weed up.

Honestly I can't help giggling that "wee-weed" plus the extra 2 trill on the deficit is what all his Martha's Vineyard pals will be secretly thinking about (if not actually talking about) while he's tooling around the island.

[bad s##t]

Heh, Porch. They're probably hoping he wee weeds in the shrubs and not where they are lounging...

[glenda]

Thanks for the info, Clarice and centralcal--Sam is awesome, there is hope, PUK, for England's future in that young man!

I just bet the Sunday shows won't mention the wee weed up comment--it doesn't fit in their "soaring rhetoric" talking point!

[Pofarmer]

Obama didn't take down the Clintons,he out spent them,if fact he out spent nearly everyone in the history of politics.Somebody owns him.

Obama out muscled them in the caucus states. The Town Hall shennanigans show exactly how he did it. Without the Union thugs packing the Caucus's, we'd have had a Hillary v McCain race. Out come probably not much different.

[pagar]

but charge them how? In what venue?

As I see it, they would have a responsibility to the people of the district/state that they represent. Therefore, they would fall under the laws of that state.

There is something badly amiss when we are told that checks must be held up until the paper work is done correctly, yet no one cares whether the bill to authorize the programs,in the first place,are done correctly.

[Porchlight]

bad, they are also probably hoping to get a glimpse of the mom jeans. It's chilly on the Vineyard at night, he'll have to wear jeans at some point....

[bad s##t]

LOL Porch!!

[Sue The Bastard]

Hillary ran a horrible campaign. She went into it thinking she was the "heir apparent" and didn't plan on Obama still being in the race after Super Tuesday. She almost came back to beat him and might have had they had a plan for the caucus states. Anyway, water under the bridge. We have we what we have.

[glasater]

What's DOT's 'handle' over at Tapper's?

[Frau Butterbrot]

"Obama didn't take down the Clintons,he out spent them,if fact he out spent nearly everyone in the history of politics.Somebody owns him.'
PUK - yes,yes,yes,yes,yes,yes! And we'll never know the amount. Candidate O-paque broke all the rules and said, "The system is broken. I'll fix it." What does that mean for 2012? Is it somebody or somebodies?

Clarice, how was the red pepper fougasse? You left us salivating without a report.

[bad s##t]

Glasater, He is known as "Fascist Hyena."

[glasater]

Thanks Bad-

For some reason I thought FH had been banned over there:-)

[hit and run]

Clarice:
Sue, I think the wee weed and the WH farmers market did it along with the oops there's another $2 trillion deficit PLUS no stimulus at all that anyone can measure.

The "oops there's another $2 trillion deficit" news was released yesterday, no?

If so, it will most likely not be reflected in Rasmussen's poll today, which uses a 3 day rolling average (Wed, Thurs, Fri for today's poll).

So if that nugget has enough oomph to move a poll, that movement is still to come.

[Sue The Bastard]

I think the numbers reflect the public becoming aware of his lies. I think the public forgives lies about sex, not so sure they will forgive lies about their health care and their pocketbook.

[PeterUK]

Clarice, Harrumph!!!!
That's it cast us aside when we get old.

[PD]

"Yes, Economoreists say the Depression was extended due o FDR's relief programs. What isn't measured is the softer landing for most of the Nations's hardest hit."

Go ahead, then. Measure it.

[PeterUK]

Pofarmer,Muscle costs money.

[PD]

Looks like someone is competing with Michelle O on the fashion front.

[PeterUK]

"'Have fun now, boys and girls. Relax.'
One, two
Words in {brackets} are sung by Frank AND children
(Next time you're found with your chin on the ground)
(There's a lot to be learned so look around)
Just what makes that little ole ant
Think he'll move that trillion deficit?
Anyone knows an ant can't
Move a trillion deficit
{But he's got hi-i-igh hopes, he's got hi-i-igh hopes}
{He's got high apple pi-i-ie-in-the-sk-y-y hopes}
So, any time you're gettin' low, 'stead of lettin' go, just remember that ant
Oops, there goes another trillion deficit
(Oops, there goes another trillion deficit)
{Oops, there goes another deficit}"

[PD]

I just bet the Sunday shows won't mention the wee weed up comment--it doesn't fit in their "soaring rhetoric" talking point!

Rush was playing some audio clips yesterday from -- I think -- a Charlie Rose show, where Doris Kearns Goodwin (plagiarist and sometime author) was gushing about Obama and how he's so steady and measured and really up to the job. On and on. It was embarrassing.

It's astonishing how supposedly intelligent people can't see what is so plain in front of their noses: that President Wee-Wee is hardly the "soaring rhetoric" kind of guy, unless it's avec teleprompteur. Even then, the ping-pong head movement is so distracting you can hardly concentrate on what he's saying.

[Frau Butterbrot]

ObamaHealthCarp - It's dead, Jim.

[Frau Butterbrot]

During the primaries, early recordings of BO showed that he had not yet had the teleprompter implants. His speeches were as torpid as his impromtu ramblings. Obama's handler's made him over- everything except his character.

[pagar]

What does that mean for 2012?

It means we will have the same results as we had in 2008. No a single rule has been changed. The major factors that have changed.
(A)ACORN will have billions more to spend, SEIU and the other unions will have billions more to spend.
(B) They will have a Dept of Justice that will insure that every thing they need to steal the election is in place.
Why does anyone expect different results?

[centralcal]

glasater: your memory is correct - DoT did tell us he was banned as Fascist Hyena, and then he changed to an equally amusing name (which I have forgotten).

They must have let him log in again, because bad is right - he is commenting under the F.H. name in classic fashion!

Which begs the question - is he mad at us, bored with us, since he hasn't been here for quite a little while now?

[PeterUK]

pagar.
A lot has changed sine Joe Kennedy grease up Sam Giancana?

[glenda]

revolution, pagar, revolution..I still think there are more of us than SEIU&ACORN--those and all "organizing" groups of progressives need to be "Alinsky'd". Many do it for walking around money, not conviction--and the McCarthy's of Justice Dept.'s past need to push back hard on Holder's "justice dept for one man, one idea" There have got to be lifers at Justice that can help stop voter fraud or at least make a lot of noise. It will be the independents that knock them out of office--Reagan democrats and the base.
The marxist left should probably consider visas to Iran or Venezuela!

[Sue The Bastard]

pagar,

I'm trying not to get overly optimistic about the awakening pulic, but it is going to be harder for the 'thugs' than it was when people weren't aware of their tactics. The good thing about these townhalls and Obama's characterization of the people attending is they know who they are and why they are there and no amount of 'soaring rhetoric' will change that. He won on "hope and change". That won't happen again. He now has a record he has to run on.

[bad s##t]

Why is the left so hung up on insurance companies being "for profit?" Most of them buy every bite of food from "for profit" grocery stores, restaurants, and farmers markets.

[PeterUK]

Sue.
HOPE and CHANGE.

[PeterUK]

bad,
The left are "so hung up on insurance companies" because the insurance companies wouldn't pay protection money like the Pharma.
It's Alinsky,demonise them.

[Ignatz]

--Why is the left so hung up on insurance companies being "for profit?" Most of them buy every bite of food from "for profit" grocery stores, restaurants, and farmers markets.--

They haven't gotten to them yet.

[Sue The Bastard]

PUK,

LOL.

[Fresh Air]

Pagar--

If it's not close, they can't cheat.

[MayBee]

Why is the left so hung up on insurance companies being "for profit?" Most of them buy every bite of food from "for profit" grocery stores, restaurants, and farmers markets.

Not to mention their for-profit auto insurance companies, and for-profit homeowners/renters insurance companies.

[Captain Hate]

The good thing about these townhalls and Obama's characterization of the people attending is they know who they are and why they are there and no amount of 'soaring rhetoric' will change that. He won on "hope and change". That won't happen again. He now has a record he has to run on.

"As I've always said" => Good luck finding a reference
"Let me be clear" => Major obfuscation ahead
"They want you to believe" => Projection 101

[pagar]

MoveOn.Org, SEIU, ACORN To Infiltrate/Disrupt Recess Protests

We saw strange things in the 2004 Washington State election for Governor. Ex cons(that were not eligible to vote)voting, all kinds of other fraud, much of it documented by the outstanding bloggers at Sound Politics. Ballots found in strange places in King County, etc. What has changed? Oh yes, The politician in charge, has been moved to a high position in the Obama administration.

We saw all manner of strange things in the Franken election. Military ballots-thrown them out. Ballots that can't be found, count them anyway. Don't like the results, count again-keep counting till the Democrat wins. What has changed? The Democrats have another senator.

It's going to take more than protests, someone has to step up and get control of voter registration and the ballot box counting before conservatives can win. I agree that if it's not close, they can't cheat. But it takes real ballots to make it not close.

[the bishop]

And Perkins & Coie, ends up showing like a bad penny, in Seattle and Minneapolis, and needless to say Anchorage. It was one of those firms who took the terrorist's banner.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

DOT got pretty personal and nasty during the "birther" threads and got taken to task by several regulars. I haven't seen him since and assumed he was either sulking or licking his wounds. Some of his remarks during those discussions seemed so out of character for him (not his stance on the birthers, but the way he attacked in such a personal manner), that I was wondering if it was really our DOT.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Michelle in shorts pic in the WaPo doesn't look like the one posted here a few threads back. Can someone give me the link to the one posted on JOM? Please.

[Frau Butterbrot]

2012-
(A)ACORN will have billions more to spend, SEIU and the other unions will have billions more to spend.
(B) They will have a Dept of Justice that will insure that every thing they need to steal the election is in place.
Why does anyone expect different results?

?(C) Cheat even more to make it a greater than 52% win.
?(D) Activate the Civilian Security Force.

This is the writing on the wall presently, isn't it? It's the unspecified change we were promised and some of us feared. Forty-seven percent of us didn't sign on. Continuing in our present small fashion won't do it. Town halls are going to be *out* or even more tightly controlled as was reported from Montana.

If we are to return volley, shouldn't we Alinsky Rule Number-12 (ARN-12) Presidebt Opaque's field officers *soon* - Rahm, Holder, Clinton, et al. - as was done to GWB? Barry has been wounded, but his counselors are able to prop him up. Why is Ba'ab Ghibzh still smirking with impunity?

[Frau Butterbrot]

Captain Hate - add this to your list:
"Know this" => "I'm still pushing this lie."

[Ignatz]

--Forty-seven percent of us didn't sign on.--

Frau,

A great many of the other 52% didn't sign on for A, B, C, D or any of the other craziness going on either, which is one of the sources of Barry's present difficulties.

[Ignatz]

--I haven't seen him since and assumed he was either sulking or licking his wounds.--

I'd characteize it as exasperation more than sulking or licking.

[clarice]

PUK, I'll always be true to you in my fashion..And I'm sure you know more lyrics of the golden oldies than this kid will so you're still in the running.

[Ann]

Sara,

I cropped Malia out of the picture when I posted the picture here. The original is here:

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//090820/480/5e4e93101a694d03885c0466c41e9dcb/#photoViewer=/090816/480/bc08db156d6a4e11bc5f3092ea990393

[bad s##t]

JOM went through birther overload and I believe Dot was simply bored.