Maybe We Could Target Verbal Pollution Next?

John Kerry is poised to introduce his version of cap-and-trade, but let's not call it that:

As the pair prepare for the next stage of climate maneuvering, Kerry made attempts to reframe the verbiage surrounding the bill and sell its concepts more broadly, insisting it is not a "cap and trade" proposal but a "pollution reduction" bill.

"I don't know what 'cap and trade' means. I don't think the average American does," Kerry told reporters. "This is not a cap-and-trade bill, it's a pollution reduction bill."

Kerry's word choice echoes President Obama's references to "greenhouse gas pollution" and "carbon pollution" in his Tuesday address to the United Nations. Top Obama administration science officials, including Energy Secretary Steven Chu and U.S. EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson, have also adopted similar vocabulary in recent months (Climatewire, Sept. 23).

No one has the time for a full cataloging of Kerry's ignorance.  In any case, the average American may or may not know what "cap and trade" means but they know what BS smells like.

STILL WAITING FOR THE SOUNDBITE:  "It's not healthcare reform, it's death reduction".

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[Jim Ryan]

Speaking of Massachusetts, maybe Mitt Romney picked the wrong election cycle to be Mitt Romney. The health plan he signed in Mass:

“It’s Obamacare with the public option not included,” said Michael Tanner of the libertarian-oriented Cato Institute. “It’s pretty indistinguishable from what the president is proposing.

How many conservatives totally PO'd about such plans are going to support Romney?

[Jack is Back!]

Has Kerry ever had a piece of legislation with his name on it as principal sponsor ever pass? And I don't mean some recognition of Lynn, Mass Day type legislation. I doubt it and I doubt he is smart enough to even have a smart enough staff to write one for him. He should stick to keeping Teresa primed with fine clarets.

[Pofarmer]

Remember, Kerry doesn't think you're smart enough to read the bills.

[Pofarmer]

So, would it be worth emailing the Wattsupwiththat links to all our Congress persons?

[bela1]

Kerry not only doesn't think anyone else is smart enough to read the bills, he thinks you need to trust what he says about the bills, otherwise you're nothing but a far right wing wacko.

Hey, I'm just a housewife, but man wouldn't it be so cool to have a public debate with this lying jackass? He couldn't handle it.

I never thought I'd say this about anyone but after studying his life and all that he's done (including damage to the US and troop morale), I can't stand the pathological self-serving liar. I keep telling myself, what goes around, comes around...what goes around, comes around.

[windansea]

Steve McIntyre of Climate Audit turns the hockey stick into a wet noodle

global warming my ass

[windansea]

here's a link to Whats up with that laymens version of McIntyre's great work
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[Ignatz]

--I don't know what 'cap and trade' means.--

I wonder if he knew what it means before he didn't know what it means.

[windansea]

1- In 1998 a paper is published by Dr. Michael Mann. Then at the University of Virginia, now a Penn State climatologist, and co-authors Bradley and Hughes. The paper is named: Northern Hemisphere Temperatures During the Past Millennium: Inferences, Uncertainties, and Limitations. The paper becomes known as MBH98.

The conclusion of tree ring reconstruction of climate for the past 1000 years is that we are now in the hottest period in modern history, ever.

See the graph http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/image/mann/manna_99.gif

Steve McIntyre, a Canadian mathematician in Toronto, suspects tree rings aren’t telling a valid story with that giant uptick at the right side of the graph, implicating the 20th century as the “hottest period in 1000 years”, which alarmists latch onto as proof of AGW. The graph is dubbed as the “Hockey Stick” and becomes famous worldwide. Al Gore uses it in his movie An Inconvenient Truth in the famous “elevator scene”.

2- Steve attempts to replicate Michael Mann’s tree ring work in the paper MBH98, but is stymied by lack of data archiving. He sends dozens of letters over the years trying to get access to data but access is denied. McIntyre and Ross McKitrick, of the University of Guelph publish a paper in 2004 criticizing the work. A new website is formed in 2004 called Real Climate, by the people who put together the tree ring data and they denounce the scientific criticism:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/false-claims-by-mcintyre-and-mckitrick-regarding-the-mann-et-al-1998reconstruction/

3- Years go by. McIntyre is still stymied trying to get access to the original source data so that he can replicate the Mann 1998 conclusion. In 2008 Mann publishes another paper in bolstering his tree ring claim due to all of the controversy surrounding it. A Mann co-author and source of tree ring data (Professor Keith Briffa of the Hadley UK Climate Research Unit) used one of the tree ring data series (Yamal in Russia) in a paper published in the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society in 2008, which has a strict data archiving policy. Thanks to that policy, Steve McIntyre fought and won access to that data just last week.

4- Having the Yamal data in complete form, McIntyre replicates it, and discovers that one of Mann’s co-authors, Briffa, had cherry picked 10 trees data sets out of a much larger set of trees sampled in Yamal.

5- When all of the tree ring data from Yamal is plotted, the famous hockey stick disappears. Not only does it disappear, but goes negative. The conclusion is inescapable. The tree ring data was hand picked to get the desired result.

These are the relevant graphs from McIntyre showing what the newly available data demonstrates.

http://www.climateaudit.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/rcs_chronologies1.gif

http://www.climateaudit.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/rcs_merged.gif

[Rick Ballard]

It would be interesting to know where Signor Alighieri would have placed the "learned men" who have perpetuated this fraud. They appear to belong on the 8th, 9th and 10th levels of the eighth circle but he might have pushed them down to the ninth. The ninth would surely be the most appropriate in terms of punishment.

[Fresh Air]

I'm pretty sure there is no statute of limitations on treason. It's not to late to try Kerry for meeting with the North Vietnamese in Paris while still a member of the USNR.

And hang him.

[Fresh Air]

Maybe Clark Hoyt can tell his New York Slimes Rightwing Internet Buzz Monitor to haul ass over to ClimateAudit so Steve McIntire can cop him some "tuned-in-ness" or something.

[clarice]

Not only is Kerry completely odious, but as well he constantly denies his many inadequacies, projecting them on others whose only failing is that they didn't have the good fortune to marry two fabulously wealthy and bone stupid crazy women.

[daddy]

"So, would it be worth emailing the Wattsupwiththat links to all our Congress persons?"

Po, honest to goodness I don't think the majority of them are smart enough to actually read that last Wattsup post about AGW fraud and understand it. I know my Senator with the his School education under his belt couldn't figure it out. Nor Burris, nor Pelosi, nor at least half the members of the House of Rep's. It's tougher trying to figure out which ones could read and understand it, as opposed to which one's couldn't.

[malclave]

STILL WAITING FOR THE SOUNDBITE: "It's not healthcare reform, it's death reduction".

It's not "death reduction," it's "redistribution of health."

[daddy]

Speaking of Verbal Pollution, there's going to be a ton more of it come tomorrow morning when this hits the wire:

">http://www.adn.com/palin/story/952852.html"> Sarah Palin just finished her memoir: "Going Rogue: An American Life."
It's due out November 17th.

Let the snark, cheap shots, and seafull of snide slander begin.

[JM Hanes]

......and the sales roll in, daddy.

malclave: Distributive healthcare -- LOL! That's not funny!

[centralcal]

oh, you are so right, daddy! The publisher is printing 1.5 million copies - it will be a hoot to see who buys more of them - the right or the looney left!!

[daddy]

A nice side benefit of Sarah's Memoir might be that it gives us an opportunity to really loudly announce the recent confirmation that Ayers, not Obama, wrote Dreams.

When the heavy Press coverage and cheap shots start coming in from the Gibson's and Couric's and other assorted asses from the MSM, this is the time to get right back in their faces with Zero's Ghostwriter's, and they can toss in Hillarys ghostwriters to boot. An opportunity to go on offense if you ask me.

And just FYI, over the weekend in the Barnes and Noble at Fisherman's Wharf, San Fran, the book that was front and center in the main display as you walked thru the front door, was Glenn Beck's "How to Argue with Idiots". The new Ted Kennedy's tome was on the same table, but off to the side and not prominent. Beck's book was 20% off the cover price, but Kennedy's was 30% off the cover price.

[Pofarmer]

Wow Daddy. That was fast.

[SaveFarris]

You can't blame Kerry for being confused: "cap and trade" is how he got his magic hat.

[Captain Hate]

Hey, I'm just a housewife, but man wouldn't it be so cool to have a public debate with this lying jackass? He couldn't handle it.

There isn't a regular poster here who couldn't decimate that dimwitted gasbag in a debate. I'd even be willing to handicap myself by downing a few microbrews prior to pawning that long-faced douche. Although it would probably be better to have one of de wimmens to prey upon his kept-man status.

[PeterUK]

Clarice,
Not only that but,he managed to find "two fabulously wealthy and bone stupid crazy women" with short sighted guide dogs.

[clarice]

Heh,PUK..

[sbw]

--Sarah Palin just finished her memoir: "Going Rogue: An American Life."

Do you suppose Bill Ayers 'tweaked' it into 'Dreams'?

[Original MikeS]

It should be called the Economic Deceleration Act.
Most people remember the runaway profits, productivity, salaries, and federal revenue from the late 80's 'till Dems took over Congress nearly 3 years ago. The economy was wildly out of control like a runaway train careening down a mountain side as the economy sped up more and more.

This bill will prevent that from ever happening again.

[Steve's really exposed academic misconduct, at the very least.]

Marvelous work, windansea.

CO2 is a boon to the plant kingdom, which is a boon to the animal kingdom. Calling it pollution is Stalinist disinformation. Granted, we've probably added significantly to the amount in the air, but the climate effect is minimal, the ocean acidification effect has been vastly overblown, and the sun, acting with the biosphere, will resequester the extra CO2 in much shorter order than the alarmists would have you believe.
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[Captain Hate]

Granted, we've probably added significantly to the amount in the air

Bzzzzzzz Wrong

[A.C. McCloud]

Krugman has now weighed in on the matter, as if his Nobel gives him special climate status. He reminds me (both looks and tone) of a high school earth science teacher back in the 70s who told us the USA would run out of coal by the mid 90s.

[The science is not settled.]

CH, it is a remarkably controversial question. There are bitter advocates both that we're the cause of the 30% rise in the last century and that the rise is from outgassing from a warming ocean. Even the historical levels of CO2 are controversial. Just as with climate, there is a lot we don't know. Personally, I think we've contributed a lot to the rise, but I also don't think the rise has harmed anything.
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[Pofarmer]

Personally, I think we've contributed a lot to the rise, but I also don't think the rise has harmed anything.

When you're measuring in GIGATONS it's rather hard to quantify our contribution. PLUS, it's not a zero sum thing with reusing CO2. More greenery uses more CO2, and, the upper limit for plant growth surely isn't well defined.

[Jim Ryan]

Put it this way. Imagine a room the size of the largest stadium. In it there is a rock bands with an enormous and loud PA systems. There are also dozens of powerful noise absorbing (cancellation) machines. The band varies its volume over time, up and down. Each noise absorption machine varies its absorption efficiency over time, up and down. There are many machines which amplify or echo sounds, as well. Looking at a graph of net volume over time, you see that the volume goes up and down gently over time with no particular rhyme or reason.

If you yell at the top of your lungs for 100 years in this room, does the net sound intensity increase significantly? No.

[Worth knowing.]

In the recent past, tens of millions of years, there is a correlation between temperature rise and CO2 but the CO2 lags temperature rise by about 800 years, consistent with outgassing from the ocean.
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[PD]

Hey, I'm just a housewife

There's no "just" about being a housewife.

[PD]

Going Rogue is already out, actually.

[PD]

Hey, it's what the search turned up.

[Captain Hate]

Kim you're a smart person and I agree with just about everything you've written. I think you've been slightly conned on how much the activities of humans have contributed to increases of CO2 which, as Po and Jim point out, is an unknowable number anyway.

[bishop]

She's a little more like Jean Grey, although
not necessarily Famke Jannsen's
characterization of her

[daddy]

Yeah PD, but ">http://www.examiner.com/x-13178-Detroit-Comic-Books-Examiner~y2009m6d19-Comic-books-Sarah-Palin-has-never-looked-so-good"> She didn't write it.

[PD]

bishop, indeed. The original Jean Grey that I remember as a kid (beginning with X-Men #2, the first issue of the series that I bought), was not at all the Jean Grey with "attitude" of the movies.

[Pofarmer]

I think you've been slightly conned on how much the activities of humans have contributed to increases of CO2

Well, a body can't be right about everything!

[PD]

Similar to the Sue Storm of the early FF versus the "all attitude" Sue Storm of the movies. But I guess if you cast Jessica Alba in a role, the only thing she's capable of is attitude.

[bishop]

BTW that A D News link reminds why I don't rely on it for news, in the comment section

[daddy]

You bet Bishop,

Already 215 hate-filled comments to Sarah in that ADN piece from the caring, compassionate left.

And Fagan spent 30 minutes dissing her today, on a segment I describe as "call in and tell us why you won't read her book ever."

[Pofarmer]

Well, I'm buyin the book. No doubt about it.

And BTW, NewScientist says the Hockey stick is just fine, and plenty of other researchers who use the same flawed data and methods have found the same thing, and heah, they can even cherry pick other proxies and make it work out, so, it's all good.

LUN.

The comments are really disturbing.

[This puzzle is a magnificent obsession.]

Yeah, CH, perhaps. I certainly don't know the truth of the matter. The ones who claim the rise is from humans find the signature in isotopes that must be from fossil fuels, but that argument is under fire. Clearly, the ocean has been warming, just as has been the atmosphere since the end of the Little Ice Age a couple of hundred years ago. Why wouldn't CO2 outgas? And the recent, hundreds of years, historical measure of CO2 is controversial, too.

The main CO2 monitor that has been used is in Hawai'i and supposedly represents well mixed atmosphere. People are finding lots of regional variations in CO2, and the more they look, the more they find.

One interesting point is that the rising CO2 curve has a sawtooth shape to it, with a rise and fall every year. These have been explained as the uptake of CO2 during the Northern Hemisphere Summer, where most of the world's vegetation resides, and the release of it as the plants rot during the winter. This explanation is pretty well accepted, but even it is controversial.

Bottom line, there is a Hell of a lot more that we don't know than we do, and there isn't enough sureness about the science to gamble multi-trillion dollar public policy upon, particularly when the world is now cooling.
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[Check out Texas Sharpshooting. That's what they did with this series.]

Yeah, PoF, New Scientist is losing it. Steve's work is attracting a lot of attention.
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[She understood her value.]

bela 1, over 50 years ago, my mother insisted that we kids write 'homemaker' in instead of 'housewife' whenever a form asked for mother's occupation. This was pre Betty Friedan. The lesson took.
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[PD]

"Homemaker" works, too. Regardless of the term, it's a noble, valuable, and difficult profession, and should be honored as such.

Some of you may have guessed from this that my sweetie is a homemaker. :-)

[Funny ticks, indeed.]

OK, James Delingpole at the Daily Telegraph breaks this story into the Legacy Press. Especially hilarious is Agaidagan's comment and Delingpole's response right after it. ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' '
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[Melinda Romanoff]

kim-

side note, Bloomberg picks up on some of that "data you can use" kinda stuff. LUN