On Polanski - Obama Can't Be This Stupid, But Holder?

A new plot point - Team Polanski has hired a Washington power player and buddy of Attorney General Eric Holder:

LOS ANGELES — While a backlash emerged Tuesday among French politicians of all stripes about whether their government and others should have rushed to embrace the cause of the jailed film director Roman Polanski, his American legal team picked up an influential new member: the lawyer Reid Weingarten, a well-known Washington power player and close friend and associate of Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr.

...The recruiting of Mr. Weingarten was a strong signal that Mr. Polanski’s legal team intends to push hard on the Washington end of the case. Mr. Polanski was arrested on his way to the Zurich Film Festival after Swiss authorities received a letter from the Department of Justice requesting that he be held for possible extradition to the United States.

Jim Geraghty wonders what "the Washington angle" could be.  The WSJ Law Blog has background on Weingarten.

And despite dancing around the allegations in their editorial, this Times story is much more graphic in describing Polanski's behavior:

Shortly after the crime, the victim — Samantha Geimer, who publicly identified herself years ago and has expressed forgiveness for Mr. Polanski — described in vivid detail how she had met Mr. Polanski, supposedly to be photographed for a fashion magazine spread. Ms. Geimer said he took her to a house he was borrowing from the actor Jack Nicholson, where he gave her Champagne and a Quaalude, photographed her naked in a hot tub, ignored her pleas to leave and raped her.

“Roman Polanski deliberately, in his mid-40s, set up a young 13-year-old actress to come to his home, drugged her, got her naked and raped her,” said Paul Petersen, president of A Minor Consideration, a foundation devoted to the protection of young performers. “The Hollywood community is protecting him. It makes me crazy.”

We now have a bit of an interesting dynamic - lots of Hollywood types who backed Obama may be shocked to discover that he is not with them on Polanski.  High profile contributors on one side, the Great Unwashed on the other - I assume Obama is smart and nuanced enough to figure out why this is a tough call, but I can't.  Maybe Bill Clinton can chime in?

Comments

[Jack is Back!]

She's what, 43 now? Old enough to probably not want this thing to be showcased and above the fold. As always in these cheesy cases the victim gets to suffer all over again. She may have forgiven him (the moralistic thing to do) but I'll bet she hasn't forgotten and the shadow of her powerlessness still haunts her. My wish is that the extradition is quick, the sentence equals the crime (fleeing plus rape) and Hollywood ends up looking like fecal matter since that is what 90% of them are.

[clarice]

I think Polanski's wasting his money of he thinks Weingarten will be able to pull some springs on this. At the moment Holder's on the hot seat over (a) the Black Panther's case dismissal(b) the refusal to select a special prosecutor to review ACORN's conduct and the ongoing investigation of the Stevens' case prosecution. (The evil deeds were not on his watch but however he hadnles this he'll be criticized),(c) demands that he look into the apparent misuse of the NEA grants and (d) his intemperate remarks on race.

One more stupid move--and dropping this at Weingarten's request would be one--and he's going to be in more trouble than he could hope to be.

[Oh, good, something to keep Obama busy for a week, while Israel fuels up.]

I really really really love that Polanski's own lawyers apparently provoked California into pursuing extradition. There is some balmy irony in that.
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[Jack is Back!]

Clarice,

In fact, Holder should recuse himself from any involvement in this similar to what Ashcroft did with Plame case.

[there i went and did it - I brought up the Plame case].

[clarice]

**ahem**"he's going to be in more trouble than he could IMAGINE."

[Strawman Cometh]

Clarice,
If one does a lot of stupid things, it serves to blur the target.

[Greasy palms. Heh.]

Beating my own drum a little, but I feel like it after a comment at Tapper's about this Yamal Briffa business was deleted. At the link under name, see Steven Mosher's comment #15 on the Spaghetti graph thread for 9/29 and his link in comment #23.
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[andycanuck]

I would suggest, "lots of Hollywood types who backed Obama may be shocked to discover that he is not PUBLICLY with them on Polanski." (Although the NYT crocodile tears on the case might make it easier for him to go against elite opinion on this.)

[Strawman Cometh]

John Bolton has snuck by the pc police and is scheduled to speak tomorrow at the Duke Law School. lun I imagine the local moronasphere will be out in force.

[Joseph Brown]

I think(and hope) that slimey skank is brought over here on a C130. Drop the ramp, say "aydios mutha and don't look down".

[Pops]

Perhaps someone should ask Applebaum and the rest if they were aware a 13 year old girl had been raped by a 40 year old man, would they report the crime..or just think the girl had it coming?

It seems like a ridiculous question, but we just learned an Obama guy over at the DOE named Jennings counseled a 15 year old boy being statutorily raped by an adult male to make sure he uses a condom.

Again, its really fortunate for Polanski he didn't engage in Dog fighting or perhaps shown up at a Tea party - things like that can't be excused or forgiven...

[bgates]

Pops, what's your favorite part of dog fighting? Is it the sounds the losing dog makes? Seeing the blood? Or just the fact that it's a felony in 48 states?

[Pops]

bgates,
My favorite thing about dog fighting is people actually get upset, irate and want a person punished severely for engaging in the practice.

I just wish they felt the same way about child rape.

[Pops]

I would ask Applebaum and her cohorts on the left the same thing about Polanski:

What's you favorite thing about child rape?
Is it the sounds the child makes? Seeing the blood? Or just the fact that it's a felony in all 50 states?

[Ignatz]

Don't have the link handy, but Marcia Clark at the Daily Beast just wrote a column saying that Wells, the DA who claimed he lobbied the judge to resentence Polanski, has recanted and claimed he lied when he said that in the Polanski HBO documentary.

Things just got a lot tougher for the creepy little polska kielbasa.

[Mike Huggins]

I thought the following contemporary AP news article was interesting (which I posted in a comment at Patterico), from the Aug. 9, 1977 Pitt. Post-Gazette:

"Polanski Admits Sex with Girl, 13″: “At first, Polanski’s attorney, said he would claim the sexual encounter never happened and the girl fantasized it. But the attorney said that Polanski changed his mind primarily because of actress Anjelica Huston’s decision to testify against him. Miss Huston, daughter of director John Huston and Nicholson’s longtime roommate reportedly said she arrived home while Polanski and the girl were in a bedroom. The district attorney’s office agreed to drop Miss Huston’s prosecution for cocaine possession when she offered to testify.”

I bet Angelica doesn't have much to say about this today. (Did she sign the 'Free Roman' petition?)

[Rick Ballard]

"Things just got a lot tougher"

Dunno about that - Applebaum is tweaking Patterico to "correct" the truth. There's a fair chance that Daryly Fears may weigh in with the "real" whole truth at any moment and blow the alledged victim right out of the water.

Remember - Bubba is just as much a rapist as Polanski dreamed every day of being and no one mentions it. The totally depraved have a slightly different set of rules. You could ask the Swimmer about them if he ever stops screaming.

[clarice]

Wow! That's something--bet she'd real happy to have this revisited.

[gus]

Just turn it around.
Imagine Rush Limbaugh got Malia Obama drunk and gave her drugs, then he raped her orally, vaginally and anally.
Then Rush ran from his sentencing and ended up living in luxury in Paris. He then got a nice satellite radio show and won all kinds of Marconi awards.

What would Hollywierd say?

point, game, set, match.

Liberalism is a disease.

[clarice]

Here's the petition and as guessed, Angelica is not a signatory:

http://www.altfg.com/blog/politics/petition-for-roman-polanski-signatories/

[Ignatz]

--Dunno about that..--

I don't mean in the court of public opinion, Rick.

His lawyers motion was a gawdawful mishmash to begin with, but it was also based almost wholly on what Wells said. That their one legged stool now has no legs is a bit of an impediment in their argument in real court, I would think.

[Gregory Koster]

Clarice, on the other hand, Big Holloywood gave The Once lots of dough, and has ready access to the media. They could cause him lots of trouble.

So how to get out of that pickle? The Washington angle: put pressure on California. Tell Grubenor Schwartzenegger that if he wants federal dough to bail out CA, not to mention a cushy slot in The Once's signature Czar collection, he better pardon Polanski.

Will it happen? The odds are against it, but not by so much that it can't be considered. Meanwhile, it's just one more example of the gaudiest Administration in history.

Sad by-product of this case: it has revealed a hollowness in Anne Applebaum who has written very well on foreign affairs from a center-right perspective and has written a distinguished account of the Soviet concentration camps, GULAG. Yet all this collapses in ruins with her defense of Polanski and her idiotic denial that she was in cahoots with her hubby. This is a grim price to pay.

[clarice]

I find the scenario with Schwartzenegger you outline improbable.

[Mike Huggins]

Gregory Koster - You're right about Appelbaum. I can't figure out why she has stuck her neck out so far on this. Regardless of her husband, what would she get out of this - to take such a strong position and stick with it? It doesn't compute, and so when I see such a large blind spot, I have to set the reset button on my opinion of her.

[DAN]

The answer to Hollywood should be you support pedophiles and we wwill not support you. BOYCOTT ALL FILMS

[Jane]

One more stupid move--and dropping this at Weingarten's request would be one--and he's going to be in more trouble than he could hope to be.

Let's hope but it seems like every time this administration gets in trouble they double down if only for the distraction - the ACORN pressure gets too tough, well let's change the focus to Polanski.

I agree that it makes no sense for Holder to do more untoward things, but that hasn't ever stopped this administration.

[willem]

Guilty conscience needs no accuser. The names on that list confess a bit more that support for Polanski.

What intrigues me is action taken by the Swiss. That dirty little man has been traveling Europe with virtual impunity for decades.

With all the recent push from DOJ to puncture the secrecy of the Swiss banking system, is this push back?

[Captain Hate]

You're right about Appelbaum. I can't figure out why she has stuck her neck out so far on this.

Yes, particularly because her book about the Gulag was to keep people from forgetting about what happened as the survivors are dying off. There is no consistency between her two actions that I can tell. And with her snotty demands of Patterico she's throwing all her chips in on her crummy hand.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

She's what, 43 now? Old enough to probably not want this thing to be showcased and above the fold. As always in these cheesy cases the victim gets to suffer all over again. She may have forgiven him (the moralistic thing to do) but I'll bet she hasn't forgotten and the shadow of her powerlessness still haunts her.

I'm glad to see at least one other person concerned about Polanski's former victim and how this is going to victimize her all over again.

I understand the need to satisfy the almighty law, but today's world destroys victims of these types of crimes. The current publicity alone, and he isn't even back yet, is probably killing her with small cuts every day.

[Pops]

It would be very fitting if some enterprising actor/actress win an Academy Award and instead of giving their stupid speeches, actually reads the girls Grand jury testimony to the room full of narcissists.

[patch]

I agree with Pops.

Before anyone expresses any sympathy for Polanski, read the grand jury transcript.

[Fresh Air]

On the plus side, this whole thing should generate at least one new joke about Willow Palin and a couple of Top Ten lists for David Letterman.

[Fresh Air]

Assuming you aren't tired of hearing jokes about children being raped.

[PeterUK]

OT. Sleaze of a different kind. Envoy fired because he told the truth about Afghan elections.

[Extraneus]

Thank you for that information on Angelica Huston, Mike. I've been wondering about who the dark-haired woman was in the girl's testimony, and thought I'd read somewhere that he was Angelica. Good to know about her testifying deal. I assume it's still in effect.

Btw, if anyone hasn't seen the girl's pic, presumably at 13 years of age, here it is. This puts the lie to any speculation that she looked older than her years and establishes Polanski as something of a pedophile, at least in my eyes. I had speculated about the human-nature aspect of grown men being attracted to budding young women, but look for yourself and see what you think about her womanliness. I just see a kid, myself.

[Extraneus]

So Galbraith complaned last month. (From Mr. UK's link.)

Peter Galbraith, the son of the late economist John Kenneth Galbraith, left the country abruptly last month after a clash with his Norwegian boss, Kai Eide.

That was before McCrystal's recommendation, right? If so, this could still be a setup to provide Obama an excuse to abandon Afghanistan, but it was in the works at least that long ago. I wonder when Biden's b.s. story about slamming down the napkin was told to the NYT. I hadn't heard about it until pretty recently.

I think I question the timing.

[MayBee]

I'm glad to see at least one other person concerned about Polanski's former victim and how this is going to victimize her all over again.

She's interviewed in the documentary. She didn't appear to feel victimized at the mere mention of the case. She talked about it freely.

[clarice]

No, she didn't. I don't imagine she relishes reliving this, but she's made her peace with it it seems to me.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

She didn't appear to feel

That's kind of vague. Wait 'til the circus when they bring him back.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

I don't imagine she relishes reliving this, but she's made her peace with it

Hopefully she has, and you're right she seems to have, but do you really think the media/Hollywood types are going to be satisfied to let her stay at peace? That's my worry. But maybe I'm projecting. I know there is no way I would want to have to face my rapists now. I have made my peace with it and put it in the past, but there are triggers and the results are unpleasant for me internally.

I try to put it out of my mind because I feel such an overriding disgust for Polanski. We were talking about it last night and the consensus was that if she had been our daughter, Polanski would have been fertilizer 30 years ago.

[hit and run]

TM:
Maybe Bill Clinton can chime in?

Well, to connect Holder and Clinton -- let's not worry about Weingarten.

It's when Denise Rich is hired as consultant for Mr. Polanski that I'd get worried.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Oy, she's baaaaaaaaaaaaack!

Marcia Clark: Polanski Defense Based on Lie

[matt]

The list of the directorial/production community supporting Polanski's release is very interesting. I cherry picked the highlights.

Interesting that Woody Allen is on the list. LUN

[clarice]

Are all the L.A .District Attorneys batshit crazy or does it just seem that way?

[Extraneus]

So shouldn't Wells have to face some music?

[bishop]

It certainly seems that way, Clarice, I smelled a rat when all the media were talking up that HBO documentary. It does seem that 'everything is not what appears
to be' applies more than to presidential politics

[clarice]

Jane,Heritage and Human Events think the Dems will try to ram thru a bill with a public option in it. Strap on your traveling boots!

[Extraneus]

Rush mentioned that today, Clarice. I didn't hear it all, but I think he suggested that they plan to somehow use the fact that two committees have now voted on bills as a way to use one of them as an amendment to some other unrelated bill, obviating the need for reconciliation or even the 60-vote rule, because the original bill is something already accepted for debate.

Here it is.

[Jack is Back!]

Jesus, Peter Galbraith a brave UN man has a house in Vermont. Now is that news or what?

Clarice and Jane,

Baucus has cut himself shaving his tongue. There is no way in hell that a public option can get 60 senate votes and there is no way in hades that the house plan brings in a majority. Don't forget The Guns of August - the blue dogs haven't.

OT: Did anyone beside me hear the lady vent on Rush this afternoon? You should hear this. LUN

[JM Hanes]

Sara:

Dealing with the press will certainly be no picnic, but I'm not sure why you think the victim will have to face Polanski again. He was already allowed to plead guilty to a stunningly less consequential charge to spare her the trauma of a trial. Is he not being extradited for the sentencing he fled?

Clarice:

What read like plugs for "Roman Polanski’s latest film, The Ghost" interspersed among the signatures on that petition was pure je ne sais quoi.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

JMH: Face Polanski? Every time you turn on the news, his face is front and center filling up the screen.

[bishop]

So Harris was going to try to get Polanski to adapt Pompeii which I really liked, and
the Ghost, the first real Blair derangement
syndrome, to reach the big screen, Hence the
log rolling disguised as a humanitarian plea.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Jack-

The "Public Option" is in the House bill. It won't matter what shell game you watch in the Senate. The deal will be cooked in conference, which will then give Snowe the cover to vote for the "compromise" bill that will emerge.

Keeping a bill from coming out of the Senate is imperative. This is why the WH says "It's no big deal.".

Still not feeling well, so I'm going to retire early.

G'night all.

[bishop]

As for Galbraith, his willingness to bury the success of the Iraq project, makes me discount his 'courageous stand' vis a vis
Afghanistan.

[Barry Dauphin]

Oh it would be great if the Polanski defense team would publicly implore the administration to take their side and watch the administration dither for days and days about what to do.

[clarice]

jmh, I don't know why people are surprised by Hollywood's take on this. For a long time they have behaved like old aristocrats granting themselves exemptions from all mores and sneering at those who financially support them. In recent years as their major income seems to come from abroad there is even more reason for them to cultivate the Euro elites and openly share their disdain for their homeland while grabbing every tax break for themselves and their business endeavors.When Hollywood stopped being run by European refugees who shared our view of this country it stopped making films with which most Americans could identify.

We look back and remember the actors and actresses supporting the troops in WWII forgetting they remained silent for the most part until after the Hitler-Stalin pact fell apart.

[JM Hanes]

Sara: I thought you meant having to face Polanski in person.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

I'm going to get in trouble with this again, I'm sure, but have you all considered the possibility that Anne Appelbaum is defending Polanski because she actually believes him either innocent or ill-treated?

[hrtshpdbox]

Btw, if anyone hasn't seen the girl's pic, presumably at 13 years of age, here it is. This puts the lie to any speculation that she looked older than her years...
Yeah, because she always looked just like that.

"At the time of the crime, Nicholson's girlfriend in those days, actress Anjelica Huston, said she saw Geimer on the day of the atack and described her as "sullen." (Nicholson was not at the house at the time, but Huston was.)

"She appeared to be one of those kind of little chicks between -- could be any age up to 25," Huston said in court papers. "She did not look like a 13-year-old scared little thing," Huston said.

Of Polanski, Huston added: "I don't think he's a bad man. I think he's an unhappy man."

When reading the transcript, so as to hone one's sense of outrage over the extent of Polanski's monstrousness, it's probably better to forget that they're the allegations of the victim, a girl who, though not a virgin and not without a history of drug use, still had reason to paint herself in the best possible light (if even just to her mother). Without the deal that the judge reneged on, with which Polanski cooperated completely, submitting himself to 43 days in the general population at an L.A. prison for observation (with said observation concluding that he was not a serial child molester or threat to society), Polanski would've pled not guilty, and disputed the allegations. At that point it would have become a he-said/she-said, and it's foolhardy to assume a conviction would have been certain.

It was well-known that Nicholson and Polanski were seen all over town squiring very young women. They were not gentlemen, and it was L.A. in the 70s, though it's impossible for us to concede that different standards, from a different era, might suggest we temper our bloodlust even a little. Just like we really don't care if the victim (for whom the reneged on deal was primarily designed, as she was loathe to testify in a public trial) has been urging dismissal since 1997 - who cares what she wants, we'll not deny ourselves the opportunity to beat our chests in righteous indgination over this ancient episode of moral turpitude. I'm sure Nicholson was engaging in much the same behavior - surely we can dig up an ancient statutory transgression on his part, and put him in the clink too?

[MayBee]

They were not gentlemen, and it was L.A. in the 70s, though it's impossible for us to concede that different standards, from a different era, might suggest we temper our bloodlust even a little.

Bloodlust?
Regardless. Let me suggest that the different standards had everything to do with who held the power, and not with those who were on the receiving end of the different standards.

[He just didn't take the prosecutor's recommendation. Judges don't have to, you know.]

Reneged is hardly the right word; was the judge in on the deal?
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[He broke laws and apparently some think he should still be allowed to do so. The fugitive charge is ongoing]

And I suppose you think he was innocent of being a fugitive, too?
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[MayBee]

defending Polanski because she actually believes him either innocent or ill-treated?

If Applebaum is defending Polanski because she believes him innocent, she is a fool. He is guilty both legally and factually.

If she believes him ill-treated, let her say that. I have no problem with people who realize it is possible he both drugged and had sex with a 13 year old, and that his judge didn't act honestly with him.
But Applebaum isn't making that argument, and certainly not only that argument.

[MayBee]

"Different standards of the day" doesn't make the victim enjoy it more, I'm trying to say.

[bgates]

"She appeared to be one of those kind of little chicks between -- could be any age up to 25," Huston said in court papers. "She did not look like a 13-year-old scared little thing," Huston said.

Well, that's got to be true. It's not like the allegations of the alleged victim, right?

[bgates]

have you all considered the possibility

How could any of us know what to think before you've shown up, Chuck?

[JM Hanes]

All of which means precisely nothing, hrtshpdbox. Statutory rape is a crime because an underage teen is deemed legally incompetent to consent. I can rustle up plenty of sympathy for two young kids in love, but absolutely zero for a 40 year old man who could have been the girl's father -- whether the naked 13 year old he started out photographing did drugs on her own time or not. The fact that the L.A. you describe was apparently filled with fellow debauchers doesn't exactly spin my empathy wheel.

Even stipulating to untested allegations, Polanski is the one who decided not to risk the he said/she said for reasons that you can also only speculate about, although I seriously doubt that the victim's sensibilities topped his own list of concerns. He pled guilty to a lesser crime for which his guilt was reasonably established, and then fled the country, in fear that the judge might actually pass a sentence commensurate with the crime, instead of giving him the slap on the wrist he, and apparently you, believe he was entitled to expect. Different standards, indeed.

I don't need a picture to hone my outrage, and your own indignation is duly noted, but if bloodlust (unfortunate term in this context!) and the Polanski spectacle gave, or gives, other potential statutory perpetrators pause, so much the better.

[bgates]

“If I had killed somebody, it wouldn’t have had so much appeal to the press, you see? But… f—ing, you see, and the young girls. Judges want to f— young girls. Juries want to f— young girls. Everyone wants to f— young girls!”

A quote from an interview Polanski had with Martin Amis in 1979.

Allegedly.

Don't let the truth interfere with your moral preening, hrtshpbox, but do die in a fire, you child-rape-excusing worthless little fuck.

[daddy]

"John Bolton has snuck by the pc police and is scheduled to speak tomorrow at the Duke Law School. lun I imagine the local moronasphere will be out in force.

Posted by: Strawman Cometh "

Strawman,

Haven't read any of the comments here yet, so maybe it's already been asked, but would you mind tracking this and just posting on what sort of reception he received. Thanks if you have the time.

[daddy]

I'm Polanski'd out.

All this blame the victim stuff wears me out.

Thankfully I have the John Edwards saga to change the subject.

In a breaking Politico story which I won't link to, "Sex, Scorn and Videotape," the topic is Andrew Young, the married Edward's aide who stepped forward to claim he was the father of Reilly's baby. Now he's doing a tell all book.

Politico reports that from Elizabeth's writings we get this description of Young:

"She described an “obsessed” and “overbearing” young volunteer who “volunteered for everything, making himself indispensable,” taking care of cars and dry cleaning — an unmistakable portrait, people close to her say, of Young.

She and her husband were, she wrote, his victims — guilty only of “being vulnerable to obsequiousness.”

Blame the victim---Hey, that's a good idea. Maybe we can get Anne Applebaum to do a story on it.

The story also says that this married aide who supposedly only stepped forward to claim he was the illegitimate dad as an act of unsolicited altruism, is blamed by Elizabeth for having stolen her son's baseball card collection.

Guess she missed this part:

"Look Senator Edward's, I'll claim to be the daddy, but it'll cost you 3 Sammy Sosa's, 1 A-Rod, and I want a Derek Jeeter, but it's gotta' be from his rookie season. Deal?"

[JM Hanes]

I'm pretty much Polanski'd too, daddy, so I'll add on an Olympics comment, at which point I'll also be well and truly olympiced. Earlier somewhere, I wondered if the Prez might actually have decided on the trip to Copenhagen because he had started to worry that Chicago didn't have the games in the bag.

John Steele Gordon at Contentions makes an interesting comment that makes me wonder if the iffy scenario is really the most likely one:

Brazil’s government is pushing hard for the 2016 summer games to be held in Rio de Janeiro and they have a very good case. Rio’s dazzling setting makes Chicago’s utter flatness dreary. More important, Brazil is rapidly emerging as a major power, with the world’s eighth or tenth largest economy—depending on which statistical source you choose. It is thus economically larger than Canada, which has hosted the Summer Games once and the winter ones twice. But not only has Brazil never hosted the Olympic Games before, neither has the entire continent of South America. It would seem to be their turn.

Can't remember where, but I read that Obama was making the trek at Daly's behest, which suggests that perhaps Daly was getting anxious too. Apparently he wasn't confident that Michelle alone could git 'r done. I'm just waiting to find out whether other pressing issues (i.e. a crisis of confidence in his persuasive powers) will suddenly make Obama's trip impossible again, the urgency of now being what it is.

[daddy]

JMH,

I really do hope Brazil gets it.

Glenn Beck tonight showed that Valerie Jarrett was honcho-ing the Olympics from way back before the election and that she stands to rake in a ton from the proceeds. His first 20 minutes really was good tonight. He was a little less ADD than normal for tonight's show, which is a good thing. Hope it gets replayed.

[daddy]

And since we're blaming the victim, nobody does it better than the Government.

Anti-Graffiti">http://www.nbclosangeles.com/around-town/real-estate/LA-Might-Raise-the-Graffiti-Shield-62574982.html">Anti-Graffiti Plan Raises Stakes for Homeowners:

"Looking to prevent your home from becoming a tagger's canvas? The city of LA has a plan that asks homeowners to pitch in or pay -- whether they want to or not.
All new buildings in Los Angeles -- including homes -- must have anti-graffiti coating under an ordinance approved unanimously by the City Council on Tuesday."
The coating is mandated on all buildings, unless owners sign a "Covenant and Agreement.
That contract would require owners to remove any graffiti on their buildings within seven days of the graffiti being applied, or within 72 hours of being notified by the department.
Failure to abide by the contract could result in a $550 fine.
Councilwoman Jan Perry voted in favor of the ordinance, but not without hesitation.
"I'm concerned about placing the burden on the property owner," she said."

But obviously less concerned doing that than placing the burden on the graffiti perp's themselves, so what the heck, lets just raise fee's and taxes and covenants on property owners in LA. Shoot, in these good economic times they ought to be able to afford it anyhow, plus it's money in our government coffers.

Anybody know who's got the supply contract on this new anti-graffiti coating stuff? What was that? Councilwoman Jan Perry you say?

[Captain Hate]

Since hrtshpbox is having conniptions, to the point of creating strawmen out of previous arguments, over allegedly falsely accused rapists, he/she might find some solace at LUN where KC Johnson continues to report on college/university cases in which accused non-famous rapists were in fact innocent. The latest occurred at Hofstra and the NYT still has not published the name of the false accuser even though they published the names, ages and pictures of the falsely accused. Help me out here: Is this a manifestation of the same mind-set that blacks can never be racists; that women can never have their identities revealed in alleged sexual crimes even if the only wrong-doing was filing false charges?

[PeterUK]

"They were not gentlemen, and it was L.A. in the 70s, though it's impossible for us to concede that different standards, from a different era,"

No different,this is the casting couch,the Hollywood meat rack where those with power in the business prey on the young and vulnerable.
Does anyone think that Actors,agents,producers et al,worth hundreds of millions in business are not going to get their peccadillos. In La La Land they get the best vices money can buy.

[PeterUK]

"Does anyone think that Actors,agents,producers et al,worth hundreds of millions in business are not going to get their peccadillos covered up?
Can't type and phone.