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September 03, 2009

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gmax

Joe Klein = Clown Show

And a long running one that is getting quite old

Thomas Collins

Klein, along with substantially all of the socialized medicine crew, misses the point. The point is that Americans are fully aware that the current private insurance system isn't perfect, and are also fully aware that Obamacare will be far worse. Why is that so difficult for the Dems to grasp?

Improve the current system by allowing cross state competition among private insurers, eliminate or substantially curtail mandated coverages, and bolster community hospitals (where the uninsured receive care). That is enough for 2009. Then worry about Social Security and Medicare after the 2010 elections.

Greg Ransom

KEnnedy secretly supported Spain's involvement in the Iraq war, the Spanish ambassador reports.

That's close.

Rich Berger

It is pretty easy to attribute your adversaries' positions to simple bad faith, isn't it, Joe? Eliminates the effort involved in coming up with substantive arguments in favor of your plan.

Mr. Collins - why not add in a little tort reform and healthcare savings accounts, for good measure? A crisis like this is just too precious to waste.

michaelt

Klein should go back to writing anonymously - that way I would ask "who is this idiot?" instead of thinking "Joe Klein is such an idiot."

Jack is Back!

It certainly looks like all those rubes right-wing domestic terrorists in those town hall meetings and tea parties have put the journalistic enablers on a death watch. And the republicans do best by doing nothing - although, I think if they could come up with a plan that continues a free market private health care system but with significant measures to reduce waste, cut costs and improve efficiency (including tort reform, portability and health savings plans) they could take more than high ground here. They could show the public what a bunch of obstructionists the Dems are (ala Bushes Social Security privatization initiative).

MICHAEL SPENCER

As usaul, nothing Obama does conservatives like. That is why nationally conservatives lose elections, the last 3 for example. Here is what this blogger wrote If Pres Obama shows leadership, it is not sincere. If he doesn't, he is abdicating his role.

I really do not take conservatives seriously...or most politicians.

As what he said about why Europe control costs, lucky for me I have friends and Army buddies who live in Europe. And the silliness about underinvesting in new drugs are procedures is just plan silly. Almost all the major drug companies have corporate offices in Eurpoe. Drugs are very profitable in Europe. I believe the writer just made this fact(?) up. There are many ways Europe contains medical costs. Better outcomes, better preventive, less social violence, less stressful lifestyles, better food, more exercise, less repressive society.etc...

Thomas Collins

Rich Berger, I would be fine with tort reform and health care savings accounts. I am not optimistic, however, that this Congress and this President will deliver on those aspects of health care rules reform.

Tom Bowler

I've never claimed to be smart enough to be a liberal.

My God, TM! Who is? Can do anything but stand in awe of the towering intellects who discovered that global warming will cause an ice age. Such genius is, well it's incomprehensible!

Joan

Tom,
This is a fan letter. You are so perceptive, intelligent, and piercing in your analysis; plus, you are witty. I was going to email this, but my system says it's not compatible with yours. :) I thought I was. :)

Also, after reading your essays, I get to read the comments, and usually lol. I love justoneminute. The only drawback I find is that I'm usually so aggravated and angry at the Democrats or liberals or left that I sputter and/or rage, and can't live up to all of you.

Thank you, as well as everyone else, for making events in Washington, livable, if not palatable.

PeterUK

"There are many ways Europe contains medical costs. Better outcomes, better preventive, less social violence, less stressful lifestyles, better food, more exercise, less repressive society.etc... "

Thou jesteth!

Thomas Collins

TM, you shouldn't have closed your 10/09/2008 thread titled It's An Honor Just To Be Considered, in which thread you hinted that you were considering a late drive to take the Presidency. I wanted to post a comment to this effect:

"Aren't you now sorry, TM, that you didn't run and spare us from abomination of Obamination?"

Oh well, there's always 2012!

bishop

Most pharmaceutical companies are
headquartered in Switzerland, we're not moving toward that system are we, In fact it's more like the worst of the Dutch, Swedish and British systems. designed by a mad man, signifying chaos

Ignatz

--As usaul, nothing Obama does conservatives like. That is why nationally conservatives lose elections, the last 3 for example.--

Not sure if English is your first, second or any language, but Dems won the last national election and the Repubs the two before that.
If you mean 2006, how does Obama, a virtual unknown then, figure into the Dems takeover of congress?

royf

Thou jesteth!

No he's just lying, The fascists don't do humor.

Jane the lynchpin

Yeah well Joan, it takes a village so we now demand that you become a regular commenter. And I look forward to it.

MICHAEL SPENCER

Ignatz, I am on lunch so I am in a hurry to write. 2000, you lost popular vote, 2004, Ohio was stolen, that is how you lost the last three elections. In 2000, you would have lost Florida also if not for an horrible Supreme Court decision that in the op itslef states carries no precedant or has not future bearing. And yes I do stand corrected as far as english compensation. Tonight I will work on it while enjoying my family instead of posting to an irrelvant blog commenting about compensation that was done on a haste due to lunch priorites.

Peace my man. By the way, where is the WMD and how come Iraq greeted us with flowers?

PeterUK

MS Yes you are definitely out to lunch.

bishop

What color is the sky on this guy's world,
I GUESS THE FACT THAT HIS NAME IS WRITTEN
LIKE THIS, unlike the rest of us, is the key.

royf

Well I stand corrected MICHAEL SPENCER is not only a liar he's stupid as well.

PeterUK

"Tonight I will work on it while enjoying my family instead of posting to an irrelvant blog commenting about compensation that was done on a haste due to lunch priorites."

Surely you can find a "blog commenting about compensation that was done on a haste due to lunch priorites", there will be one for you out there. It would be a kindness to your family.

MICHAEL SPENCER

I am not sheep. This is a free country. I don't want to be like the rest of you clowns. I can sign my name in whatever manner I want. As such I am proud of who I am, so I capitalize my name. I don't need to be anonymous in my posting. I have nothing to hide and my op are my own, not shaded by wanting to be liked by others are following the pack. It is the pack mentality that you guys are in Iraq, lose elections, torture, suspend habeas corpus, violate every peace treaty you have ever signed, including every single one signed with Native Americans…. and the Geneva Convention. The lack of moral guts shows in your comments, your online id or lack of it, and in your lack of intellectual dexterity.

PeterUK

"I am not sheep." No,even as a plurality you do not have the brains of a sheep,nor even a flock.

Ignatz

MICHAEL!,

--And yes I do stand corrected as far as english compensation. Tonight I will work on it while enjoying my family instead of posting to an irrelvant blog commenting about compensation that was done on a haste due to lunch priorites.--

If eating lunch is why you don't know the difference between 'compensation' and 'composition' mom must be putting funny mushrooms in your lunchbox.


--that is how you lost the last three elections--

Apparently you've been eating them for at least eight or nine years.

bishop

I'm sure there are people like that in your country, Peter, notably in Quaradawi pen pal Livingstone and all around Jihadi friendly Trotskyite Galloway, but they seem
to swarm around too often.

PeterUK

bishop,
This flocker is probably Semantic Leo. Nobody tortures prose like Septic.

PeterUK

Ignatz,

"If eating lunch is why you don't know the difference between 'compensation' and 'composition' mom must be putting funny mushrooms in your lunchbox."

Er,when he said "enjoying his family",perhaps he had a side dish with the mushrooms?

Stephanie "the Ice Pick"

Michael... get the flock out of here!

Bill in AZ

MICHAEL, you forgot chemtrails, 200 MPG carburetors suppressed by big oil, and globull warming, in your list of superstitions lefties believe in. Oh, and you forgot to call us fascists. C'mon, get with it.

royf

I'm just wondering MICHAEL do you think the World Trade Center was brought down with explosives or remote control aircraft? Gee as enlightened as you are you probably think it was a combination, There is nothing like a "open mind" is there MICHAEL?

bishop

Klein, figures in this video, excerpted from
Media Malpractice, and his impartiality is rather undermined

MICHAEL SPENCER

The WTC incident occurred Under Pres. Bush. By the way, the area where WTC is located at voted for Kerry 90-10. Is that a referendum on job performance or what? Or in keeping us safe.

I have not seen a rebuttal on my original comments, in which the writer made up facts about Europe and how the continent keeps health care costs down.

Back to the WTC. If I file a court document late or incorrectly, my job will reprimand me and I could get fired. Who got fired over WTC and Pentagon destruction?

Joan

Jane, the lynchpin:
I am a 'constant' reader since way before Plame/Libby, and seldom comment because I'm usually angry about what the Democrats, et al. are doing. I'm never (well, almost never :) witty, and all I can do is sputter. Maybe that is what I can do, add a sputter every once in awhile. :)

PeterUK

"I have not seen a rebuttal on my original comments, in which the writer made up facts about Europe and how the continent keeps health care costs down."

Mainly because your statement was utter bollocks.

" If I file a court document late or incorrectly, my job will reprimand me and I could get fired".

I sincerely hope you aren't drafting them. Who is your "job"?

bishop

Well they did get Tenet and Cofer Black out after a time, Scheuer was moved out of the post, despite his rank insubordination. A "Short and Hummel" deal wouldn't have worked here.

centralcal

Joan: We accept sputters, snorts, guffaws and all sorts of sounds.

It is stupid lefty trolls that we abhor. (Well, a few of the guys do like to bob 'em around awhile, much like a cat with his prey.)

centralcal

bob = bop

Did I mention typos? We are all big on typos. grin.

Ignatz

--I have not seen a rebuttal on my original comments, in which the writer made up facts about Europe and how the continent keeps health care costs down.--

You mean this?:

--As what he said about why Europe control costs, lucky for me I have friends and Army buddies who live in Europe.--

It's pointless to try. There is no rebuttal to such unassailable and authoritative citations as your imaginary friends and buddies.

--If I file a court document late or incorrectly, my job will reprimand me and I could get fired.--

It's been an hour and a half since you started posting so your illiteracy can no longer be blamed on your peanut butter sandwich or animal crackers. I suggest you get back to the drive through before your job fires you.

maryrose

Stephanie : Your comment made me laugh hysterically.
Joan Welcome to the posting sector of JOM.
I also like to read and learn new things.
MS:
You sound like you have an ax to grind sir.

clarice

Welcome, Joan--Just keep your hands off Hit and PUK..I'm warning you...and do not even think about Mark Steyn who is the object of an ongoing mud wrestle.

maryrose

Final word to MS
Ohio was not stolen in 2004. I live in Ohio and the dems didn't have their ACORN operatives in place to steal the election like they did in 2008. McCain won in Ohio on election day. It was the newly passed early tricky voting by college kids from New York living in Columbus that helped turn the tide for Mr.I Won.

Thomas Collins

I see, clarice. Joan can have those you consider the leftovers, such as me! :-(((

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Obama’s Communist Green Czar is Also a 9/11 Truther

bad s##t

I believe you've been dibbed multiple times, TC. Fear not!!

bishop

Right, I do recall there were 200,000 unmatched voter applications, that the Court did not force Jennifer Brunner to review and he won by 60,000 votes I recall

clarice

Well, Mr. TC, they got here first.

gmax

A message in a bottle to TM? As Bullwinkle said, fanmail from some flounder? TM has a fan with crush. How very quaint.

Meanwhile back on another channel MS has forgotten the obligatory reference to Halliburton in his spittle flecked rant. It never sounds right to my ear without it, like trying to eat popcorn without salt, why bother?

Thomas Collins

Thanks, bads##t, I feel better.

We Massachusetts folks need to know we are loved by JOMers. At some point, we may be refugees from the state and need to be adopted!

Captain Hate

Ohio was stolen

Lollers at the lefty lies. AND IRAQ HAS COST $3 - 5 TRILLION!!!11TY!!1

including every single one signed with Native Americans

I'm a native American; don't you mean Aboriginal Americans or Indigenous Americans. Or OMG it's WARD CHURCHILL!!

Sara (Pal2Pal)

NY Times Dumps On Levi Johnston, Sides With Sarah Palin?

Joan

Heh, TC, I consider you a main course item. Prime, in fact. I could put together a list of my favorites, which would include you, Matt, PUK, Cecil, Narciso, et al, but I am afraid I would leave someone out.

Clarice, I bow to you on Mark Steyn because he probably values intelligence as well as beauty. I've read your posts for so long, I know you are way more intelligent than I am. :) I'll bet you're prettier too.

glasater

I really do not take conservatives seriously...or most politicians

M Spencer must be longing for a benevolent dictator.

And by the way--Bush won Florida. Look it up on Wiki!

Jane the lynchpin

Clarice, I bow to you on Mark Steyn because he probably values intelligence as well as beauty

That's true, but he is mine - all mine. I won fair and square and that horrid Clarice can't let go.

Harummph!

Thomas Collins

Thank you, Joan. And welcome to the Beach of JOM Posting. It's fun splashing around in here, and even the occasional stings of the annoying trolljellyfish can't ruin the warm sand of TM's posts and the pleasant waves made by the commenters.

OK, I promise, no more beach metaphors!

Ignatz

Would to God this leftist insanity over Honduras weren't happening precisely because Il Douche is president.
If this ain't scaring the crud out of people it's because they aren't paying attention. Possibly the most indefensible foreign policy since Jimmy Carter stopped worrying and learned to love the Ayatollah.

Captain Hate

If this ain't scaring the crud out of people it's because they aren't paying attention.

It's really disgusting and aided/abetted by the MSM calling it a coup when they constitutionally remove a cowboy-hat wearing douche (where are the lefties on *that* one?). Can TM add a "We're all Hondurans now" subtitle?

Connecting the Dots

"The WTC incident occurred Under Pres. Bush. By the way, the area where WTC is located at voted for Kerry 90-10."

Something smells funny but I just can't put put it together. Hmmmmmmmmm.

LTC John

Perhaps CAPITAL MAN is a bit hurried. Besides, he has much more improtant things to than comment to a bunch of idiots like us. Well, more than several times anyways...

narciso

Thanks Joan, I am glad that Tom lets me muse in this space, and that most appreciate my somewhat extended musing

megapotamus

What was the sincerity ratio on Clinton's support for welfare reform? Whatever though it is astonishing to see such a lefty bellweather as The Family Guy declare welfare reform Clinton's greatest achievement.

Klein is right though in that much of the Rep opposition amongst officeholders is NOT principly based. They may not like the extent of socialization inherent in HR 3200 but they object only on grounds of relative necessity and competence. There is almost no one in public office saying that this nightmare is the counter-revolution to the American Revolution, or some such flourish. Does anyone believe that McCain is offended by the unConstitutionality of this profanity? And it is all of a piece. The counterstrike if not counterargument from the Left is "so I guess you want to do away with Medicare, 'caid and Social Security too, right?" Dontcha luv the way they say "Right?"? I do. In this instance it is warranted. In fact I am against welfare, handouts, buyouts, bailouts, agri-socialism, corporate communism and all the collected Ponzi schemes that loom so large on our ledger sheet. On principle. Now, you can find EVERYONE, including Barry, making similar noises but gee, it all gets passed anyhow although no one is in favor of it. Odd. If it doesn't come first, it is not a principle and that is how we know that the stated principles of nearly every man-Jack of our leaders are so much vapor; Rep and Dem alike. But forget even the priority of principle. The simple common sense and baseline familiarity with reality that makes the concept of incentivization second nature to anyone who works for a living are just not present. Principle does not only fail to come in first; daily principle is truant from Congress, the Executive and even the Judiciary. Who is the most principled player on the public stage today? Probably Doctor Ron.

megapotamus

The crucial bit, that I forgot above, is that my, or your, support for Medicare etc are immaterial. As usual it is the math, stupid. These programs cannot continue on the numbers and that was before all the late additions (more like subtractions) to our balance sheet and before the near-term debt bombs Barack has announced. And then there is the unannounced... AND that even these projections are based on presumed levels of econ growth that are already blown, so rest assured and proceed under the presumption that regardless of who sits in the WH these programs will not exist in ten years time. Probably much, much less.

caro

Jane is probably gone to meet Tiger now, but did anyone hear Mark Steyn actually use the words "Fun with Dick and Jane" yesterday on Rush? I wondered if it was a shout out to the girl that won.

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