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October 09, 2009

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verner

Forgive me if someone has already posted this, but here is a link to the members of the Nobel Committee:

http://nobelpeaceprize.org/en_GB/nomination_committee/members/

LUN also

That's right. Four socialist Norwegian women, ex-third rate politicians in their sixties and seventies. In other words, WGAF what they think.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

A Tweet:

roaring_repub Only other place u can get a reward for doing absolutely nothing is the welfare office
daddy

Wish I was overseas in Asia today so I could see how this is probably being misrepresented by the Beeb and CNN International to their captive audiences around the world.

Nice to see the French and some Brits are calling BS, but I'd like to know if the rest of the world are as effective Bullshit spotters as we are today.

Anybody out there doing a steady dose of Richard Quest or Hard Talk have an update?

PeterUK

daddy.
Obama not doing well in the Daily Mail.

trentk269

Vote for Barack Obama for the 2009 Heisman Trophy here: http://promo.espn.go.com/espn/contests/theheismanvote/2009/

daddy

Anybody know what other horrendous stuff we ought to be paying attention to that is sliding underneath the radar as we focus on this colossal stupidity?

Health Care votes?
Cap and Trade?
Stimulus Number 2?

or how about FOX's blurb this morning about how portions of construction of the Mexican Border Fence, mandated during the last Illegal Alien uproar last Administration, are being ">http://www.thefoxnation.com/search/apachesolr_search?keys=mexican+border+fence+construction"> cancelled for budgetary reasons.

Sue

Damage control for winning the prize?

On Friday’s CBS Early Show, Face the Nation host Bob Schieffer wondered about negative political fallout from President Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize win: “one European commentator who said ‘will this become a poison chalice?’ In other words, is this going to hurt the President rather than help him?...is this going to widen the part of partisan divide rather than bring people together?”

http://minx.cc/?post=293469>Ace

daddy

"daddy.
Obama not doing well in the Daily Mail."

Thanks P'UK,

And many excellent comments on that Daily Mail link, but sadly I don't feel like I've had my full dose of Anti-Americanism unless it's snottily delivered by that smarmy prick, Richard Quest, on a CNN International Round Table. Why the heck we were able to boot that drug abusing pervert out of the country but we can't accomplish the same thing with Andrew Sullivan is beyond me.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

OT, but important, I think.

Patriot Bill Extension Passes: Material Support Untouched

The Senate Judiciary Committee has passed legislation extending the Patriot Act without a proposal by Senator Feingold that would, in effect, eviscerate an important 13-year old-statute that makes it illegal to provide material support to foreign terrorist organizations.

The committee yesterday approved by an 11-8 vote and sent to the floor a compromise bill that extends, with modifications, Patriot Act provisions allowing “roving wiretaps” on multiple phones, access to business records and a never-used “lone wolf” provision to conduct surveillance of non-U.S. citizens who may not be part of a recognized terrorist group. These provisions expire at the end of this year unless extended by Congress.

More at link.

clarice

Thanks.. when he first made those proposals, PJM asked me to write a piece on it and I said I thought it was a desultory make believe attempt by Feingold et al to appease the ACLU, and not a serious effort to undercut the Patriot Act.

Patrick R. Sullivan

According to the Nobel Foundation website:

Alfred Nobel specifically designated the institutions responsible for the prizes he wished to be established: The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences for the Nobel Prize in Physics and Chemistry, Karolinska Institute for the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine, the Swedish Academy for the Nobel Prize in Literature, and a Committee of five persons to be elected by the Norwegian Parliament (Storting) for the Nobel Peace Prize.

And the U.S. Constitution says:

And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State

Did he ask congress's permission before accepting?

PeterUK

This is so humbling. The Obama Acceptance Speech.

Extraneus

I never knew until now that the Peace Prize committee is Norwegian, while all the rest of the Nobel committees are from Sweden, as was Nobel. My college roommate was a Swede, and now I understand why he was so adamant that he not be confused with a Norwegian.

JM Hanes

daddy:

Didn't see Richard Quest, but I did catch the videos of Dan Riehl on the BBC's World Have Your Say. While perhaps premature, I am pleased to announce that WHYS' special guest today, Professor Saïd Whoosywhatsis, of Wayne State University, known colloquially as Wayne's World, will receive an award of his own.

The Hanes Prize for Most Vacuous One Sentence Defense of Symbolism vs Achievement, Obama Nobel Divison:

After all, Aung San Suu Kyi won a Nobel Prize and she hasn't achieved peace in Burma either.


Congratulations, Professor and welcome to the Zone!

DrJ

Ext, that's one reason why the Peace Prize is not a "real" Nobel. The original science ones by and large large done well; don't know about the later Economics prize.

bolitha

Well, all of you can laugh all you want to, but I am SO concerned about our troops in Afghanistan--I think I read that Barack will be considering the troop build up for "several weeks." IF I were a mother of a soldier in Afghanistan, I would be horrified and angry! I am very concerned.

Sue

bolitha,

None here voted for the fool. And we are as concerned about our troops as you are.

Extraneus

Thanks, Doc. I remember you defending the Nobels against some statement I made months ago, when I was unfairly lumping them all together.

Thomas Esmond Knox

So now, having accepted the Nobel Peace Prize, give me the odds that Barack Obama will (1) announce his decision on whether to increase troop levels in Afghanistan in the next 30 days; and (2) announce that troop levels in Afghanistan will increase by 40,000.

Both events not dependent on the other.

Ann

Clarice,

You have another Fan! Mark Levin just read your AT piece "Steal this!".

centralcal

bolitha: mega-dittoes to what Sue said.

I am very concerned and worried about our troops. They should ALWAYS have a Commander-in-Chief whose primary concern is their welfare.

Sadly, they don't have that and they know it.

JM Hanes

bolitha:

If you think this is bad, you should hear the jokes the troops are cracking!

andycanuck

Rrecycling from the other thread:
Not Star Trek--Red Dwarf. The one where they land on the Earth-backwards planet (they're in Nodnol i.e. London) where you are awarded the Nobel Peace Prize before you actually bring about any peaceful resolutions to any world conflict.

Ann

And PUK, your video is viral on twitter!

Very Funny.

andycanuck

Recycling from the other thread:
Not Star Trek--Red Dwarf. The one where they land on the Earth-backwards planet (they're in Nodnol i.e. London) where you are awarded the Nobel Peace Prize before you actually bring about any peaceful resolutions to any world conflict.

PeterUK

Bolitha.

It is essential to emphasise that the Ignobel Peace Prize is awarded by foreign politicians.Secondly that this unseemly magpie grasping of the glittering prizes is not what the president and CiC Obama gets paid for.Nor is Nobel Laureate in his oath of office.
Lastly,but not least,good young people are being sacrificed for this inconsequential bauble.
This brings home the tawdry nature of the whole Obama emiseration.

Sue
Mr. Obama sees the U.S. differently, as weaker than it was and the rest of the planet as stronger, and so he calls for a humbler America, at best a first among equals, working primarily through the U.N. The world’s challenges, he emphasized yesterday, “can’t be met by any one leader or any one nation.” What this suggests to us—and to the Norwegians—is the end of what has been called “American exceptionalism.” This is the view that U.S. values have universal application and should be promoted without apology, and defended with military force when necessary.

From the Journal via http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/09/obama-to-supporters-im-sharing-this-award-with-everyone-whos-dared-to-hope/>Hot Air.

PeterUK

Ann.Thanks.
Credit must go to BigFurHat for the bulk of the work.

Sue

I read somewhere that Obama played a game of pickup today. Isn't it nice he has some down time?

Rick Ballard

TEK,

Both questions depend upon what one believes a lieing commie with a license to kill might do to better his odds in '12. I'd go 2/1 on announce the decision and 3/2 on increase the troop levels.

I'd also bet on an even worse set of ROE than we have now with an attendant rise in the number of US casualties suffered.

PeterUK

M Ballard

The scum cannot get away with it forever.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

bolitha: Don't let the humor fool you, we are all horrified.

Ann

Sue,

Amanda Carpenter linked to several pictures of Obama fishing, playing basketball and golf. And by her count, Obama has given 300 statements or formal remarks sense becoming Pres. Here is one of the many pictures:

Photobucket

Victory!!!

To bad he can't say that for our military or our nation.

Curious G

Peace = Surrender?

tammy swofford

The AlGore-ithm for the award was set in motion a couple of years ago. wink Yes, I think we are all blogging, crashing Twitter or suffering from drama trauma at this point.

Tammy Swofford

narciso

Hey Tammy, I linked your McLeod origins post, as an explanation

PeterUK

Ann.
Obama - Ministry for Silly Walks,


Obama.

JM Hanes

Update:

The Hanes Prize Foundation also awarded an unusual dual Mention to Thorbjorn Jagland, Nobel Committee chairman.

For Historical Revision:

Brandt hadn’t achieved much when he got the prize, but a process had started that ended with the fall of the Berlin Wall.

For Oxymoronica:

We are not awarding the prize for what may happen in the future, but for what [Obama] has done in the previous year. We would hope this will enhance what he is trying to do.

TOTUS was cited for General Incoherence:

I will accept this award as a call to action; a call for all nations to confront the common actions of the 21st century.

The Foundation noted that, to their surprise, Michael Steele actually found an acorn today:

One thing is certain — President Obama won’t be receiving any awards from Americans for job creation, fiscal responsibility, or backing up rhetoric with concrete action.

Elliott

"No bellum, please" prize.

Sue

JMH,

You are on a roll tonight!

Jim Ryan

OT, it looks like a really good romantic comedy just came out. It's got a cool trailer: Shining.

JM Hanes

Sue:

"The world’s challenges, he emphasized yesterday, “can’t be met by any one leader or any one nation.”

Did I nail that Ben Franklin quote, or what?

Of course, it would be hard to beat PUK's Acceptance Speech for distilling the essence of Ø.

Jim Ryan

Levin read Clarice's article? Y'all can tune in at various times tonight to hear it on the Web. Go here.

Danube of Thought

Obama inherited the award from Bush.

Jim Ryan

If things go well in Iraq and Afghanistan, then hundreds of years from now the history books will have him down as a great liberator. No one will remember the people who heaped vitriol on him. Bush, I mean.

Ann

LOL, PUK

You and JMH are both on a roll!

We should have JOM Talent Awards!

Jim Ryan

Ace: Today officially marks the start of LOLTUS.

clarice

JMH, has been riotous all day.
Thanks for the h/t ,Ann.
PUK, I love that video.

Patrick R. Sullivan

Who's on suicide watch for our host tonight? St. Mariano just gave up a run scoring single in the 8th inning.

narciso

I'll raise you that pic, what is he doing Cleese's Ministry of Silly Walks, with this, in the LUN

hit and run

In the end, I think nearly single-handedly securing the first ever Olympic Games in South America is what pushed Obama over the top in the eyes of the Nobel committee.

narciso

Possibly, but genius like this in the LUN, must have figured into the calculations

clarice

Stevie Wonder with the song of the day!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji2ma2mfyhU&feature=player_embedded

JM Hanes

Courtesy of Sue's HotAir link, The Kumbayah Award for Diplomatic Outreach goes to the State Department's Assistant Secretary PJ Crowley:

Certainly from our standpoint, this gives us a sense of momentum — when the United States has accolades tossed its way, rather than shoes.

clarice

Cheap shot, wasn't that?

narciso

There's a reason why he held a slot as a CAPer, and it's not his higher reasoning
skills

JM Hanes

Clarice:

Just when you think you've run out of WTF moments for the day.

Stevie Wonder, however, is pitch perfect -- LOL!

Sue

The lyrics:

We are amazed but not amused
By all the things you say that you'll do
Though much concerned but not involved
With decisions that are made by you

But we are sick and tired of hearing your song
Telling how you are gonna change right from wrong
'Cause if you really want to hear our views
"You haven't done nothing"!

It's not too cool to be ridiculed
But you brought this upon yourself
The world is tired of pacifiers
We want the truth and nothing else

And we are sick and tired of hearing your song
Telling how you are gonna change right from wrong
'Cause if you really want to hear our views
"You haven't done nothing"!

Jackson 5 join along with me say
Doo doo wop - hey hey hey
Doo doo wop - wow wow wow
Doo doo wop - co co co
Doo doo wop - naw naw naw
Doo doo wop - bum bum bum
Doo doo wop

We would not care to wake up to the nightmare
That's becoming real life
But when mislead who knows a person's mind
Can turn as cold as ice un hum

Why do you keep on making us hear your song
Telling us how you are changing right from wrong
'Cause if you really want to hear our views
"You haven't done nothing"!
Yeah

Jackson 5 sing along again say
Doo doo wop
Doo doo wop - oh
Doo doo wop - co co co
Doo doo wop - sing it baby
Doo doo wop - bum bum bum
Doo doo wop - um
Sing it loud for your people say
Doo doo wop - um um um

Doo doo wop - stand up be counted, say
Doo doo wop - co co co
Doo doo wop - ow
Doo doo wop - bum bum bum
Doo doo wop - ah hum

clarice

Mayb we could get the Barack Hussein Obama mmm mmm child choirsters to sing that one.

Ann

I loved that Clarice.

In addition to Charles Krauthammer's great article Decline Is a Choice, here is another at powerline:Hillsdale College Professor Paul Rahe writes: Obama's Agenda

And don't miss: Honduras President Roberto Micheletti blasted OAS in new round of crisis talks

PD

lutefisk

Seen any of those "Legalize Lutefisk!" bumper stickers yet?

Porchlight

Lesley,

Just saw your post about your neighbor winning the seed art contest at the MN State Fair with her Barack portrait! I can't say I'm surprised. I heard there was an anti-Michele Bachmann piece there, too. I do love the seed art but it's gotten sort of politicized in recent years. I guess maybe Barry should be glad he's not the Butter Queen.

Still dearly love the Fair more than anything, although it's been many years, and now that I am in Texas (and one daughter has a b-day around that time) it's going to be very difficult to make it up there. Hope you are enjoying your Minnesota fall! I miss the smell of leaves burning in the backyard...might have to make a hot dish this weekend. :)

narciso

"DAvid Kahane", has another strange
screenplay cooked up in the LUN

daddy

Geez,

If they need another guy on that Nobel Peace Prize Committee, I recommend the Ref in the outfield tonight calling outfield action in the Yankee/Twin's Games. He's an expert at making lousy calls, so he'd fit right in.

daddy

And boy, did John Edward's sure blow it by not announcing today that he's the kids father.

His timing remains "peccable."

Ann

narciso,

Yes, it is like an implausible James Bond Movie but it is REAL and we have yet to cast James Bond.

I hope the sexy blonde from Alaska saves the day at the end of the movie!

(I totally disagree with his casting btw, but that's another discussion for another day.)

Ann

LOL, daddy!

Heh, Calling JOM: I have a homework assignment from my daughter. She signed up for the Young Republicans class in high school (I did not have anything to do with it!) and she volunteered to design their T-shirts.

The front of the T-Shirt says Young Republicans (font like the Declaration of Independence) and has a flag or eagle. The back needs to make a republican statement. That is the job she gave to me. My first impulse was a picture of the state of Alaska. But I need to get serious and need your help. Any ideas?

narciso

I hadn't noticed some of the casting, Randy Quaid as Scarborough, Linda Kowslowski, where the heck has she been hiding, remember
that miniseries about a mysterious upstart US Senator turned presidential candidate,
she was a part of that. In personality, is
Sandra Bullock for that role, too much of a stretch.

Jim Ryan

Ann, how about a nice drawing of Lincoln, Reagan and, yes, Coolidge. That way people can look at it and say, "But who is that one?" And the kids can say it's Coolidge and tell them a few nice facts about Cal.

narciso

Silent Cal, isn't he the total opposite of Loquacious Barry. That story where Dorothy
Parker, bet he couldn't say less than three
word, "you lose". Of course, he is blamed
for not sufficiently regulating themarkets, no attention is ever paid to Morgan banker and Fed Chief George Strong, hiking the rates from 1926-1928.

narciso

This strange Iowahawk, but as M. Night Shmyamalan would say with a twist, in the LUN

Gregory Koster

Narciso, it was Ben Strong says nitpicking Gregory.

Ann: let me suggest two sayings, first from Theodore Roosevelt:
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. "

Not specifically GOP, and a bit long, I admit. Maybe the TR quote could be reserved for basketball players T-shirts.

The next is from the honorary American W. Churchill:

In War: Resolution
In Defeat: Defiance
In Victory: Magnanimity
In Peace: Good Will

Again, not specifically GOP. But both statements get through what the GOP should strive to be, I think.

I like Jim's ideas of portraits but I would use two vice presidents, I think: T. Roosevelt again, and Dick Cheney. These two would make instantly clear what the wearer stood for, with no apologies.

Neo

The President tries to enlist the Taliban .. meanwhile the DNC uses the pejorative "Taliban" to describe the Republican reaction to the Nobel.

If the President can't negotiate with the domestic "Taliban" what makes any one think that after the DNC insults them that they will have any better luck with the "Taliban" in Afghanistan.

Soylent Red

How about this Ann:

"We're the ones who still believe in the greatness of America. Miss us yet?"

Gregory Koster

Goodness, I'm blind. Narciso, I must pick on you again. Strong was not Chairman of the Fed, but President of the New York branch. Your larger point is on target: Strong was primus inter pares in the Fed in those days.

But you are dead wrong about his raising rates in 1926-28. He lowered them in cooperation with the Bank of England to support the British pound.

A little farther up this thread, it's noted that a State Dept. flunky chose The Once's accumulating enough box tops to win the FullofBull Peace Prize with the Dumbocrats's favorite sport: kicking Geo. W. in the kidneys. Cheap shot, no class say the JOMers. Quite true, but Geo. W. will serenely ignore this. There's another aspect I think needs pointing out:

Where's Hillary?

Why didn't she make the cheap shot? You can't tell me that the Secretary of State has burned the partisan clothes she wore as New York Senator. Score a few brownie points with the boss and her base for sucking up, too.

I think she didn't make them because it would have choked her. Billyboy can scream and hurl interns at the plasma TV in his Harlem palace, secure that it'll be the taxpayers who have to pick up this tab.But Hillary would have to make them with a smirk on her face. She can't, and hence sent a flunky out. She's depressed, the way Letterman's divorce lawyer is depressed. Just as The Once breezed past her to become Prez, complete with sexist kicks to Hillary's kidneys, so now has he copped the prize that should have been hers. The Once is the FOURTH Prez or ex-Prez to win the prize. But there have been FIVE SecStates or exes to win the Prize. With The Once winning, Hillary's Prize chances are gone as SecState. Only if she becomes Prez, a long shot (in 2016, she will be 69), does she have a chance.

But even being Prez and winning wouldn't be enough now. What chance would President Hillary Clinton have of winning the 2017 Peace Prize? None, zip nada, nil nyet, no way....Once again, racism and sexism have rained their blows on Hillary, and justice of these blows stings. More than ever, Hillary now has contempt for The Once as an undertalented, lazy, glamour boy---and she can't do anything about it. Even as I post this, the telephone between Harlem and DC is blazing with wails from Billary about how it isn't FAIR, how hard work and diligence should be REWARDED, merit must come FIRST, never noticing that both of their careers have been advanced with massive doses of AA and good ole boying. There's fury on Billyboy's side and self-pity on Hillary's, but neither notices what the other is saying, being brought together solely by the biter bit irony of being dished by The Once---again.

This study of human frailty should depress me about the darkness in the human condition. But being a vulgar fellow (even a troll per Sylvia) I find myself snickering, hard pressed to keep the belly laughs in. You should be too.

narciso

Yes I get him confused with the independent minded NYC mayor of the 1890S. i WAS seeing
Greta and I saw Doug Brinkley beclownhimself
to a point i didn't think was possible, trying to justify the Nobel (and this is Carter's biographer) No, T.R's good on that score, no I don't recall anything Obama does
as being remotely in the Arena, possibly in the rear bleachers. Churchill is good, will Britain have someone of that caliber again.
( I tend to doubt it, unless Hannan can move to the regular parliament)

clarice

Niters,
Brinkley's an ass--as corrupt as Schlessinger but an even less talented historian.
And the Iowahawk shtick was great.

JM Hanes

Neo:

After nearly two years of insanities, today is the day I feel as though we've well and truly wandered into some strange Dadaist political universe, where the only real thing left are the men and women fighting for us, on the ground, every day, putting themselves on the line and doing anything that's asked of them.

Making McChrystal cool his heels is one thing, but refusing to accept his report for weeks, and making a show of consulting Joe Biden instead? When it comes to how I feel about our President, words finally fail me.

Dave (in Red Sox Nation)

Ann, how about an elephant eating a Rolo™?

JM Hanes

"Where's Hillary?"

Does anybody really care?

daddy

How about a bumper sticker that says:

"CONGRESS---Last thing they did right was repeal Prohibition"

bgates

From Krauthammer:

whatever the merits of unilateral or even bilateral U.S.-Russian disarmament, the notion that it will lead to reciprocal gestures from the likes of Iran and North Korea is simply childish.

That's just not true. I know several children (I even was one myself, briefly), and not one of them would give up something of their own in the hope that someone who hated him would follow his lead. This is an aspect of international relations that a five-year-old can understand; too bad Zero is an acolyte of the wrong Marx.

daddy

JMH,

Finally got to your BBC Links. That's exactly what I hear over there, except that Dan Riehl was a welcome relief. In the 2nd clip, when the gal comes in with her comment at about 6 minutes, it was so like a Saturday Night Live skit to me that I couldn't help but laugh out loud. Man, what a sick bunch of puppy's infests this planet.

Stephanie

This is an aspect of international relations that a five-year-old can understand

That's the problem. He's still in training pants. They named the dog after him which makes since as neither one is potty trained (Air Force One).

I have high hopes, though, for the dog.

JM Hanes

daddy:

I'm hoping the SNL writers are working feverishly as we speak.

Stephanie

**sense**

Why is it the older you get the more the homophones creep into your typing?

Lesley

Porchlight -

Uff da, its SNOWING!!! Betcha miss Minnesota right now. The duck hunters will be thrilled.

Lutefisk should not, repeat NOT, be legalized. Think of the children.

Extraneus

From Iowahawk

Ůmläut Ťïldëqvist, Chairman The Nobel Peace Player's Club Selection Committee

lol

Pagar

"The back needs to make a republican statement."

Ann, I don't believe enough people got to look at your homework assignment and you should repost it on a newer thread. I personally like "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" because that is what I believe Republicans bring to the table.

The Democrats, on the other hand, stand against life with their constant support of abortion, stand against life for Americans with their constant support of all who stand against America. They stand against Liberty with their support for everyone being constantly under the control of the community organizer, the union boss, and the government. I can't see how anything the Democrats stand for, allows one the Pursuit of Happiness.

Porchlight

Betcha miss Minnesota right now.

I do! Right now anyway - ask me again in December. :)

HERE FOR YOU.

I second 'Do You Miss Him Yet'?
===================

Rick Ballard

Ann,

They might go for the Gadsen flag done in the school colors.

JM Hanes

O.K. This is probably going to appear in triplicate, but I'll try it again with only one link and a picture.


Ann:

I second Rick's notion, except that I'd go with the traditional yellow as an attention getting conversation starter. You can fly it, you can buy it on decals, sew-on patches, on bumper stickers, or plain old round stickers.

Photobucket

You can print it out and use it for book jackets, or cards, or wrapping paper, and I be surprised if you couldn't even find an iron-on version for T-shirts.

The only question would be whether Your daugher's Republican club would view its growing association with the tea bag movement as a positive or negative, but it does have a much longer history. Per Wikipedia, here's Benjamin Franklin on the symbolism of the rattlesnake:

I recollected that her eye excelled in brightness, that of any other animal, and that she has no eye-lids—She may therefore be esteemed an emblem of vigilance.—She never begins an attack, nor, when once engaged, ever surrenders: She is therefore an emblem of magnanimity and true courage.—As if anxious to prevent all pretensions of quarreling with her, the weapons with which nature has furnished her, she conceals in the roof of her mouth, so that, to those who are unacquainted with her, she appears to be a most defenseless animal; and even when those weapons are shewn and extended for her defense, they appear weak and contemptible; but their wounds however small, are decisive and fatal:—Conscious of this, she never wounds till she has generously given notice, even to her enemy, and cautioned him against the danger of treading on her.—Was I wrong, Sir, in thinking this a strong picture of the temper and conduct of America?

What's not to like?

PD

Lutefisk should not, repeat NOT, be legalized.

Oh, I agree. But I do find the bumper sticker amusing.

Ann

Thanks everyone... Great ideas! Who knew when I finally got to catch up on this thread that it would be practically dead. I blame Tom for his fast moving prolific blog and all the wonderful people he attracts, not to mention the brain power and heart that keeps me coming back for more everyday.

We need to start JOM AA. Yes, I am addicted to JOM!

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