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October 10, 2009

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PD

He has been accused of traveling through the world on an extended apology tour. That isn't fair

Oh, really? Why not?

ROA

Las Vegas bookies should have a book on how many times Obama will use the words "I" or "me" in his acceptance speech.

Soylent Red

It may give him pause: Look what idiots my biggest international supporters are. I may have to rethink a few things.

Hate to break it to you Peggers, but...

Barry thinks his international supporters are right to worship him and is eating this shit up like chocolate cake. It's what narcissists do.

Gregory Koster

Rubbish. Wilson thought he was hollering for war "To make the world safe for democracy," but Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman had a much stronger notion of what things were about: defending American interests, i.e. no one power dominating Europe (took 45 years after WWII victory to achieve this, and now it is in danger again), and rebuilding Europe enough so that it a) could stand on its own and b)would be a good customer for America.

None of this this is the sort of bilge The Once warbles. Nor is it why the Norskis gave him the prize. But it would be an honest statement of the way America works. The "America is noble and idealistic" will cause these three reactions in Europeans:

i) Suuuuuurrre you are. Hypocrits.
ii) Dumb Americans, hopelessly behind the times, can't see the postmodern socially constructed realities that show the way we whiteys hog everything.
iii) Good, they're still dumb enough to defend us so we don't have to build up out militaries.

This is merely Peggy Noonan steaming up The Once's mirror with her own reflection: anxious Once supporter, second class, who is getting a bit nervous about her own perch.

daddy

He has been accused of traveling through the world on an extended apology tour. That isn't fair.

am with pd on this one. why the heck miss noonan isnt that fair...thats precisely what hes been doing from day 1. why dont you take the time to try to write a column explaining why you think that is not fair and lay out your evidence please. perhaps you might consider comparing obamas mouthings with that man you used to know something about back when character was king, as opposed to gratuitiously slandering the character of ones country at every opportunity at every venue across the planet. that ought to be your assignment for the week---tell us why its unfair to correctly point out that obama has been traveling through the world on an extended apology tour. and when youre done come back and explain it to us all and see if we buy it. none are so blind as those who will not see.

am at an overseas computer with no capitals if anyone was wondering.

Buford Gooch

Peggy forgot that she is no longer a presidential speech writer. She was good at it once. She's been sucking up to those in power for too long now, though.

Sue

Notice she doesn't tell us why it isn't fair. A throw away line.

bgates

How about an unapologetic address, a speech, with the world's elites leaning forward and listening, about the meaning of America? A speech that shows a grounded and sophisticated love for his country and its great traditions and history.

That's two speeches, and he's incapable of the second, especially if by "his country" Noonan means "America". He doesn't know much about the country except how to fool most of its voters.

not a prideful one, but a loving one.

The 'O' is capitalized, Peggy, and he'll present himself as both. Our Great Black Father in Washington, who will take care of all his children all across the world.

Elliott

back when character was king

That says is all.


JM Hanes

You know, I could almost forgive Colin Powell for being a scumbag on the basis of those two sentences alone.

JM Hanes

BTW, Elliott, I have no clue which thread it was in, but I loved ACOIN.

narciso

That was the 'loved rather than feared thread,' JM. Noonan, fails by not
understanding her subject, I know that's
a bug not a feature nowadays with her.

Colin's another one that I soured on, but it took a while, I liked his bio, I dismissed some of the critiques of him that
came from spurious sources. But it was his
cliche 'Cracker Barrel' and his part in theArmitage deception

Ann

Yes, Elliott, ACOIN was brilliant!
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I will always remember Colin Powell as the reason we screwed Iraqis and President Bush the first time and the reason we almost screwed Iraqis and President Bush the second time.

daddy

When anybody else watches that new TV ad where all those hip celebrities pass around that telephone to the background music of Cat Steven's "If you want to be you be you, if you want to be me be me", does it strike anybody nuttily like it does me, that the royalties paid to use that song are being funneled to support guys who have a "Saw the Head Off" Fatwah against Salmon Rusdie because he wanted "to be you, not "be me"?

It makes me think we should start our own prize and bestow it upon the terrorist who sawed off Van Gogh's grand-nephews head, and encourage him to move to the land of the Nobel Peace Prize Committee and use it to build more mosques and madrassas spitting out hate and intolerance and Sharia Law and Burkha's and the enslavement of women into the society.

"What's that you say Nobel Committee Peackniks?" "You don't like the idea of folks from around the world purposely aiding and abbetting and funding individuals intent on destroying the Western Civilization Society that you currently enjoy?"

Welcome to the club.

Extraneus

I think Peggy should stop writing for a while and do a little reading instead. She can start with Krauthammer's latest piece for the Weekly Standard, Decline Is a Choice.

The current foreign policy of the United States is an exercise in contraction. It begins with the demolition of the moral foundation of American dominance. In Strasbourg, President Obama was asked about American exceptionalism. His answer? "I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism." Interesting response. Because if everyone is exceptional, no one is.

Indeed, as he made his hajj from Strasbourg to Prague to Ankara to Istanbul to Cairo and finally to the U.N. General Assembly, Obama drew the picture of an America quite exceptional--exceptional in moral culpability and heavy-handedness, exceptional in guilt for its treatment of other nations and peoples. With varying degrees of directness or obliqueness, Obama indicted his own country for arrogance, for dismissiveness and derisiveness (toward Europe), for maltreatment of natives, for torture, for Hiroshima, for Guantánamo, for unilateralism, and for insufficient respect for the Muslim world.

Quite an indictment, the fundamental consequence of which is to effectively undermine any moral claim that America might have to world leadership, as well as the moral confidence that any nation needs to have in order to justify to itself and to others its position of leadership. According to the new dispensation, having forfeited the mandate of heaven--if it ever had one--a newly humbled America now seeks a more modest place among the nations, not above them.

Obama is presiding over our decline, by choice. His Nobel speech should be consistent with that.

PD

Really, it all seems a bit like "Alexander stays home, conquers world."

No one you know

Extraneus:

Obama is presiding over our decline, by choice.

I would have said he's actively pursuing our decline. I'm sure the Nobel committee is on board with that.

Extraneus

PUK's and BigFurHat's Obama acceptance speech comes up #5 on a Google search of "nobel peace prize acceptance speeches" right now. Heh.

J

This pathetic little woman sang the praises of a man that openly detested the USA and ALL it has been since its inception.....he found nothing good about my country and ms. noonan sang his praises......I have no regard for this moronic woman.

torabora

The Pompous Ass got himself elected because we ran Bob Dole II against him.

Unless something changes, he's out ON his ass in 3 years 3 months.

If we ever get a look at his birth certificate, we'll have to drag him out of our house earlier.

Chrissy

I can not bear this woman. She's a colin powell in a dree. She cuddles with chris mathews and his ilk. she is arrogant and taks out both sides of her mouth. I wonder what President Reagan would think of her now?

Matty_J

You folks are acting like Noonan is/was some great philosopher. She was a writer! A wordsmith of the firs...well, second order, and a damned good one at that. But, one big consideration, y'all. The words were hers, but they were always someone else's ideas.

Alicia

Peggy who?

Danube of Thought

He will not say a word about the role of either the United States or its armed forces in promoting and preserving peace. It is against his nature to do so, and in any case he doesn't believe it.

I predict it will be puke-making.

Paul

Who cares what five lefty troll Norwegians think? Really? What special knowledge do they have?

Why does anyone care what THEY think?

Oh, "The Award". Nobel Peace Prize. Oslo. It just sounds so so..romantic. No wonder women, lefties, gays, metro men were so for BHO.

What if the award was called more honestly? The Five Lefty Norwegians In A Room Prize.

Jesus, we live in shallow times. Obama is perfect for it.

dave morris

So our President wins a prize for trying to do some good, and that bothers you. Why do hate America so much?

bgates

Dave, why do you equate the President with America? Why can't you tell the difference between "trying" and "doing"? What do you think Obama is trying to do that is good - delaying closing Gitmo, sending attack drones into Pakistan, continuing two wars? I think all of those things are good, but I wonder why Bush didn't get a prize for originating policies that Obama gets a prize for continuing.

Wave at the crowd, dave.

Most people think of the Nobel Prizes as achievement prizes, dave. What has been achieved here is hanging an albatross around Obama's neck, diminishing his options for doing any good at all. Why do you hate Obama so much?
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JAL

ROA @ 11:17 pm -- don't forget "my."

Dan

I just don't think Barack Obama was given the Nobel Peace prize for WWII and the Marshall plan. Whether it was ridiculous or not, it happened for a reason, and for reasons more recent than the 1940s. To ignore that worldwide desire for change from the Bush policies is to remain blind. We really scared the world under Bush. That's what this is about.

As for Friedman, he's BSI.
He's all right on things green, but on war he's total doofus or as I call it, BSI. I do like that Brooks split. Everyone else but Bergan is preaching to the converted.

Learn about BSI here.

http://klogtheblog.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/thomas-friedman-is-bsi/

Dan

Sorry, some bad pasting there.

http://klogtheblog.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/thomas-friedman-is-bsi/

Annoying Old Guy

What changes from the Bush policies? Closing Gitmo? Putting an end to rendition? Pulling out of Afghanistan?

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