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[clarice]

Yes--I entered under my pen name, Angela Davis.

[narciso]

You'll find me under Carlos Marighela, (Portuguese for Bill Ayers)BTW in the LUN.

[narciso]

That means Scozzofava has dropped out.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Um, say what? "Carlos" is "Charles". Who's Carlos Marighela?

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Ah, okay, now I see.

[clarice]

Yes Scozzafava has dropped out.

[narciso]

Marighela was the Brazilian guerilla warfare theorist, that Ayers adopted as his model,like Guevara and Sendic the leader of the Tupamaros, they all ended up dead, but that's beside the point.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Holy smokes. Folks, follow Narciso's link. He's right: Scoffazza has dropped out of the race.

The story quotes a recent poll with Owens 36, Hoffman 35, Scoffazza 20. Also note that she says money was an issue, which strongly suggests the RNCC stopped adding money.

[Jane]

I was invited to a private meeting at 10:00 AM on September 12, but I declined as I had other plans.

[I beginning to see what Newt saw in her.]

It seems pretty decent of her. Isn't she throwing the race to Hoffman, now?
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[narciso]

They spotted her nearly a million dollars, and she still couldn't close the sale.

[I'm not demeaning women with Italian names.]

I know it's a big tent, but honestly, how does a Republican get the sort of associations she had?

Now I know there are places where moderate Republicans govern by alternately siding with the Democrats or the conservative Republicans, but what really was her schtick?
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[centralcal]

Kim, it will be even more decent of her if she immediately endorses Hoffman.

[Jack is Back!]

I wonder if the press will start the forensic examination of her as a quitter much like they did with Palin?

Lots of names to google on that list - lets see who can come up with the most politically trivial.

[centralcal]

I'm not demeaning women with Italian names.

Oh, please don't! I have an Italian surname, even though I started out life with an Irish one.

[Jack is Back!]

Like for example, what the hell was Hank Greenberg doing visiting Jim Jones? Or for that matter Steve Ballmer visiting John Holdren. These are the pieces you need to make fit.

[Porchlight]

This is huge news. From a commenter at HotAir, fwiw:

PPP was in the middle of polling this race as the news dropped:

With about 200 interviews down we had Hoffman 45 Owens 26 Scozzafava 17…her withdrawal will just make it that much easier for Hoffman

artist on October 31, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Even if this isn't accurate I have no doubt that Hoffman will benefit.

[clarice]

She released her supporters but endorsed no one. Break her arms.

[PD]

From Tom's link:

Like the Bush administration before it, Obama is arguing that any release is voluntary, not required by law, despite two federal court rulings to the contrary.

More of that change we can believe in, Mr. Obama?

[Captain Hate]

Also note that she says money was an issue, which strongly suggests the RNCC stopped adding money.

Since I've been bashing Steele non-stop for everything related to the Repubs, if he's responsible for this that's a check in the plus column.

[PD]

Isn't she throwing the race to Hoffman, now?

Well ... isn't the main knock against her that she's so liberal and likely to vote with the Democratics much or most of the time? Is a person who finds that attractive enough to vote for her now more likely to go left and vote for Owens or go right for Hoffman?

I don't see this as a clear boost for Hoffman yet.

[clarice]

Actually, I think it's the RNCC which was sending her money--and I expect it dried up when supporters stormed their HQ and started throttling them. These are the same numbnuts who gave pots of dough to Chris Shays without even requiring him to promise to support the President's judicial nominees.

[Sorry bout that, proles.]

PD, @ 11:51, yeah, and the INGSOC touch is that they proclaim that they are being open by releasing any names.

It's doublespeak, alright.
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[Porchlight]

I don't see this as a clear boost for Hoffman yet.

It seems to me Owens was only benefiting because of the vote split. No vote split in a majority R district should be good for Hoffman.

[Or rather, from perverting expectations.]

PD, @ Noon, yeah, that's why I wondered. But, if you take a look at those curves, it looks that more of Scozza'a supporters went to Hoffman than to Owens. Liberals already had chosen Owens over Scozz.

I'm floundering without any real knowledge, trying to keep my hopes from overcoming expectations.
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[clarice]

Oh, GOD!! Look at today's polling question to the left of the thread.

[clarice]

Well, to the left of the thread looking out--to the reader it's on the right side.

[clarice]

Hmm--poll keeps changing--One I was referring to was whether Michelle would run for Preisdent.

[peter]

But she didn't endorse Hoffman. See you next Tuesday.

[PD]

Since I've been bashing Steele non-stop for everything related to the Repubs, if he's responsible for this that's a check in the plus column.

Let's not assume competence w/o evidence.

[PD]

The poll right now reads "What is the most dangerous thing to do while driving?" with possible responses of:

* Personal grooming
* Eating - Drinking
* Reading (newspaper, JOM, map, etc.)
* Using cell phones

Okay, so I changed one of the responses a little.

[Harvey Wallbanger]

I think you're all on a list, but not the one you want

[PD]

So, I'm reading Brad Thor's latest, The Apostle.

I'm going to go way out on a limb and speculate that Thor didn't vote for Obama.

[Jane]

I know there are a ton of the teaparty activist set flooding NY 23 this weekend. I bet he pulls it out simply because of all the national news.

[Extraneus]

Doesn't the RNC need to endorse someone in the race? In fact, wouldn't they want to offer the R nomination to Hoffman if it's not too late to change the voting machines?

[clarice]

They've already said they welcome him and will caucus with him.

[matt]

what is interesting is the lists they have not released. Add that to his birth certificate, his transcripts/grades, his list of contributors both on line and off in 2008, and his promise of greater transparency, and what do you have?

[bio mom]

I believe she has endorsed Hoffman.

[clarice]

Jane which "he" will pull out? Vt Dems are already flooding the dist to work (and if history is a guide, VOTE) for Owens.

[Fresh Air]

Extraneus--

I'm not sure you can do that. First of all, paper ballots are printed months or weeks in advance. Second, I'm not sure the nominee can be changed that close the election. Even though the New Jersey Democrats did it (illegally) with Lautenberg a few years ago when Torricelli was about to lose.

I don't think it matters much. All the (C)s will be voting, and probably a big chunk of the (R)s. Hear us roar! or something.

[Extraneus]

Ok, so he keeps the C if he wins. Great. I wonder if any more will join him in 2010. It's hard to believe the NRCC could really have internalized the lesson yet, especially at the NY outpost.

[clarice]

bio, Unless it was in the last hour or so, I don't think she did.

[Frau Roggenbrot]

Yes, I'm sure JOMers are on another, unpublished list. Note: guests of the Obama family will not be released.

narciso - Marighela may be a model for Ayers, but Bill would never do anything that might harm himself. Remember, he let others assemble the bombs while he was away. He is a little man and a big coward who has others act. Bill Ayers would never die for his or any cause.

clarice - vital wheat gluten is on my shopping list today. Thank goodness, a nearby Honeyville has a 3.5 pound can. If we all end up in Tierra del Fuego, hearty bread and thick knit garments will be in demand!

[Frau Roggenbrot]

OTH a remote island in the sun means tasty flatbreads, lacy shawls, optional string bikinis and mosquito nets.

[clarice]

I bought some a while ago from King Arthur Flour and never found a use for it until the new book ..I also tried using ascorbic acid in a bread the other day as KAF recommended it for good rise--that loaf came out way too squishy--It may be of use in more usual breadmaking and as a preservative, but unless a recipe calls for it, I won't use it again.

Just remember the warning about it--stir well into the dry ingredients before adding water or you'll end up with hard lumps..
You could try passing those off as minibrots inside the loaf if they're really hungry.

Damn right we could keep everyone in bread and sweaters but think about St Bart's as an aternative. We could just get perpetually drunk as most small paradisical island dwellers eventually do and then we won't have to worry about clothing or food.

[narciso]

Frau, this is what I get for listening to Dennis Miller so long, even comic references
are too obscure. Since the line was that the names on the W.H. list don't necessarily
correspond to actual person, and clarice added she's in as Angela Davis, I prompted
an obscure but logical pseudonym. Too cute by half I see.

And no, 'the top men' as Indiana Jones would
put it, need to be mauled by that bear skin
in Sarah's office, before I concur that they've seen reason

[peter]

What do you think the chances are of the MSM asking Obama at a presser what he discussed with Bill Ayers or George Soros when they visited the WH?

[narciso]

Just to show you, how bizarro, or 'bearded spock a world this is becoming, this his who is sitting in Otto Reich's or Roger
Noriega's office at the State Department, in the LUN

[Rocco]

clarice

You've reminded me of a favorite *blushing* parking spot I frequented in my youth. Longfellow's Wayside Inn. I believe the Grist Mill still produces flour for the Inn.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Narciso, I don't object to obscure references, I just reserve the right to ask about them if you beat me.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Well, to the left of the thread looking out--to the reader it's on the right side.

Golly. i'm quite a geek, but I don't actually cimb inside the computer.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Or "climb".

[sbw]

So the nubile women on the island will be traipsing around in mosquito nets?

[Charlie (Colorado)]

A couple of updates: Steele has endorsed Hoffman in lieu of Dede, and Newt has follwed with an endorsement as well.

And Palin has pwned everyone.

Again.

[Thomas Collins]

See LUN for Julius Caesar's advice to Obama on how be a real dictator.

[Ann]

HAPPY HALLOWEEN JOM.

[Fresh Air]

Dede says Happy Halloween, too!

[narciso]

No, Charlie I mean I wan't being literal, ah forget it, just chalk it up to some more of my verbal haiku.

Someone on another blog, made theobservation
that Mitt will endorse Hoffman on Wednesday

[Ann]

And Palin has pwned everyone.

Especially, Romney and Huckabee.

[unɹ puɐ ʇıɥ]

Palin is the de facto leader of the Republican party.

What this also does (and which the RNC/NRCC was doing anyway that led to Scozzafava to drop out) is to free up resources for NJ.

Will NY-23 be a cake walk for Hoffman now?

No. But I think it safe to assume it puts him outside the margin of error if you take last week's polls at face value.

Haven't seen the details yet, but there's word of a PPP poll saying Hoffman up big.

[unɹ puɐ ʇıɥ]

Brian Faughnan at The Conservatives http://theconservatives.com/2009/10/31/ppp-hoffman-in-a-walk.html>points us to this from Public Policy Polling:

So this morning around 10 AM I started up our NY-23 poll and after a few hundred interviews it appeared that Doug Hoffman was now running away with it-unweighted numbers showed him at 45% to 26% for Bill Owens and 17% for Dede Scozzafava.

Read the post for more context and caveats.

[unɹ puɐ ʇıɥ]

This turn of events must have Charlie Crist trembling.

He is a bigger get for conservatives taking a stand against the party insiders, and the intensity coming after him won't be any less.

[Ann]

Interesting, no one seems to care who John McCain endorses. :)

[Porchlight]

Happy Halloween, Ann! Did you decorate this year?

[PD]

Interesting, no one seems to care who John McCain endorses.

His ticket has already spoken.

[Ann]

Porchlight,

No, and and all the neighbors are mad at me.

I don't know, it just didn't seem like much fun this year. I am scared enough.

So after ten years, I am taking a break. We are taking my daughter's boyfriend (a junior) out for a grilling to dinner and a movie. Got any good grilling questions?

[Ann]

Sarah Palin and Newt

[unɹ puɐ ʇıɥ]

BTW, have you gotten your H1N1 shot? How about your kids?

Because you know who is being offered a swine flu shot that you're not getting?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/10/the_swine_flu_democrats.asp>Gitmo detainees:

...the Pentagon has offered to give swine flu shots to detainees and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Major Diana Haynie, a spokesman for the Joint Task Force at Gitmo, explained the decision this way. "Detainees at JTF Guantanamo are considered to be at higher risk and therefore they will be offered the H1N1 vaccination."

I'm not outraged.

I'm slackjawed. Surely someone, somewhere at some point would have said, "you know, people might get a little wee wee'd up if terrorists are offered swine flu shots and they and they're kids are not"

[Fresh Air]

Ann--

He isn't any relation to Levi Johnston is he?

[Thomas Collins]

Hit and run stated that:

"Palin is the de facto leader of the Republican Party."

Let's hope the T. Coddington Van Voorhes VII GOPers recognize this and pay more attention to her Facebook entries and WSJ op eds.

[Jane]

Clarice,

I meant Hoffman - sorry. Modern Conservative has got a ton of people flooding the area. I believe the RNC has now endorsed.

Ooooh Rocco - I know that spot - but sadly to say I never made out there.

[Ann]

Treacher tweet: Gitmo detainees tortured with syringes full of biological agents

Ha!

[Ann]

Fresh Air:

No, but he is a good looking hockey player. Yikes

[caro]

Fresh Air, I mistook that for Megan McCain in pumpkin costume.

[caro]

Ann, love your pics today!

[Ann]

Caro, LOL

Heh, don't give her any ideas!

[clarice]

Frau, I'd like that idea a great deal more if I still (if ever I did have) had a bikini worthy body..but yes, it'll be hard but I'll adjust.

[Fresh Air]

From an Ace of Spades commenter on NY-23:

Base to the GOP: "Run a conservative or we'll run one for you."

[It's family lore]

Heh, I'm related to Thomas Howe, but just how I don't know, now.
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[PaulL]

Great post up at The Corner by Marc Thiessen.
See LUN.

Excerpts:

On Friday, the Justice Department released reams of newly declassified documents on the CIA interrogation program. Among the documents is a revised, October 2009 version of the Justice Department Inspector General’s report on the FBI’s involvement in detainee interrogations.

This report proves, once and for all, that FBI interrogator Ali Soufan lied about his role in the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah.

.....

In other words, Soufan’s claims that a) he got the information on Jose Padilla, and b) he did so before enhanced interrogation techniques were applied, are both lies.

As for the techniques the CIA used to get the information, Soufan’s partner, Agent Gibson, told the IG that he “did not have a ‘moral objection’ to being present for the CIA techniques because the CIA was acting professionally and Gibson himself had undergone comparable harsh interrogation techniques as part of U.S. Army Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape (SERE) training.”

While working on my forthcoming book on the CIA interrogation program, I made repeated requests to Soufan for an interview to explain these discrepancies. He refused. Now we know why.

[Jane]

Go tea partiers. I tell ya, the revolution is here.

And if I could I'd go to the Bachmann rally at the capital on Thursday.

[Old Lurker]

"Got any good grilling questions?"

As the father of two daughters, I suggest taking the young man to the shooting range with you.

[unɹ puɐ ʇıɥ]

There were a lot of people involved with NY-23. But there were two people most heavily invested in terms of political capital. Newt and Palin, and they were on opposite sides of the race.

Everyone else who invested in the race didn't necessarily have to put that much on the line. Even strong support by, say, Fred Thompson was relatively cost free in terms of political capital. Club for Growth? None. Etc. (the exception is the NRCC and Pete Sessions, but as an elected official, he has his own separate concerns with losing political capital over the race).

Palin wins and Newt loses. But Newt loses only insomuch as he seeks to be a conservative leader and/or a 2012 candidate. I don't know if he wants the latter or not. I know he wants the former.

It was said quite often after she stepped down as Alaska Gov, that Sarah Palin could become a "king maker" in congressional elections. But I don't think anyone had in mind this type of success and in 2009. This early win (man am I counting my chickens before they hatch, or what!) increases her profile and her potential power in 2010.

Coming back to political captial, though. Newt was the big loser among those who invested directly in the race.

But perhaps the even bigger losers are the non-investors. Specifically, Mitt and Huck*. By staying on the sidelines, they had calculated that Scozzafava would out perform Hoffman. They were playing the "we would have liked to endorse Hoffman, he's closer to our principles, but Scozzafava was the more likely to win candidate".

Big, big miscalculation.

There are those people who choose to lead. There are those people who choose to follow. And then there are those people who are forced to follow because of others who choose to lead.

Palin led.

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*I feel bad for Pawlenty. He's supposed to be a 2012 potential, but even though I've been following this story closely, and remember generally that he said something regarding NY-23, I cannot for the life of me remember what it was. Nor can I muster the energy to go look it up. But good luck, Tim. I think you're swell.

[caro]

Hit, I think T-Paw endorsed Hoffman shortly after Palin.

[Janet]

Ann - Here is a good (and humorous)list from Jack Yoest about dating his daughters. LUN

[Lots of appeal, there.]

Gad, I wish Romney and Palin would figure out how to work together.
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[narciso]

Newt has become Joe Cannon, or Hamilton Fish or any of those once relevant figures, who are no longer. Pawlenty did play follow the leader, and despite what these other polls say, the ones that count are on election day, and she certainly in concert with others played her part. I don't know about Romney will be play Heseltine to her Thatcher, will Huckabee! be the new bright shining light, "Roman please" I somehow don't think so.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Dede Scozzafava's statement (Video)

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Boo!(Video)

[daddy]

Breaking news,

Just heard at the gym a rumor that it's CONCEIVABLE that a spokesman for John Edward's MIGHT make a statement today about whether or not not the former Senator COULD possibly decide to hold a Press Conference sometime in the future wherein he MAY decide to announce that IT'S POSSIBLE he is the father of Reille's kid...

In other news the kid started second Grade on Tuesday and has not yet had an H1N1 Flu Shot.

[centralcal]

Got away all morning, after the Scozzafava announcement, and went to 2 granddaughter's soccer games. Game back to great pictures (thanks Ann) and the unsurprising news that suddenly Newt realizes Palin is a way smarter strategist than him! (and let's not even talk about Pawlenty, Romney or gawd help us, Huckabee!)

Let's hope RNC et al. start recognizing that conservatism is their way to go. Hopefully, this will impact that creepy Crist and help boost Marco Rubio too.

[centralcal]

oops, came back.....

(oh and they both won their games. Great Halloween so far!)

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Got any good grilling questions?

how can you tell how well done a steak is without a thermometer or cuting it?

[narciso]

BTW, R. McCain, is reporting that Jonathan Martin's twitter is saying that Huckabee is coming out of the pumpkin patch to endorse Hoffman, then again the odds that either Martin or Huckabee actually exist, is near nil or the product of someone's deranged imagination.

In other news, Wilson was properly skewered
by Cheney in his FBI interview, in the LUN

[Jane]

*I feel bad for Pawlenty. He's supposed to be a 2012 potential, but even though I've been following this story closely, and remember generally that he said something regarding NY-23, I cannot for the life of me remember what it was.

He endorsed Hoffman - early. I like Pawlenty a lot. But he has a bit of a Mitt problem. I guess I just don't want some soft spoken gentle guy soothing my fears in 2012.

I want a bulldog.

[Brooks]

Charlie:

This link has what I think is the best way.

Regards,

Brooks

http://simplyrecipes.com/recipes/the_finger_test_to_check_the_doneness_of_meat/

[clarice]

Chaco--Touch it..

http://www.exploratorium.edu/cooking/meat/activity-fingertest.html

[Porchlight]

Got any good grilling questions?

Ann,

What I would love to know about any future date of my girls (okay they're a bit young yet) is how they get along with their family. I think you can tell a lot from a young person based on that. Of course there are going to be difficulties in the teen years, but the really good guys I knew in high school were always close to their families.

Enjoy! :)

[MayBee]

As a boy mom, I say- be nice to the cute boy! Ask him what he thinks about kittens and puppies.

[Neo]

No problem with ObamaCare because all those voting for it are going to "Pledged His Life, Fortune, and Sacred Honor" in the event that their are miscalculations in the costs, etc.

If only they were