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October 07, 2009

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Jack is Back!

When I am faced with a very difficult golf shot - like if I am deep in the rough, with a big tree in front and 200 yards to the hole - I ask myself, "what would Seve do?"

Obama should step back and ponder, "what would Truman do, or Ike do, or Reagan do, or W do?"

Even that would me that he is intuitively smarter than all of the above, which everyone knows he is, right?

Jack is Back!

me=mean! Too early to be pounding key boards.

WSJ editorial on this discussion at LUN

PeterUK

THis is typical of the mentality of Obama,never make a decision,or take an action with an outcome that can be judged. It is a key to his whole personality.A decision could prove to be wrong this shattering his illusions of infallibility.
Worse,Obama has undermined his generals,his indecisiveness will have an adverse affect on troop moral.Public support will wither.Every spit speckled terrorist and tyrant across the globe will be heartened.
Well done President Procastinator.

Pagar

""what would Truman do,"

IMO, Obama is far more likely to ask--what would Chavez or Castro do? What would any other of the terrorists aligned against us want us to do?

PeterUK

Obama has spent his life associating with communists,revolutionaries et al,that it is obvious who he regards as role models. He is one of them.

Pofarmer

There was a caller on Hannity's show yesterday who said he was in the office that calculated troop numbers and etc, I beleive. Anyway, the gist was that McChrystal had wanted 130,000 more troops for Afghanistan but was told that that wasn't going to happen by, well, I'm not sure who, and they reduced it to 40,000, and, it's looking now like they won't get that.

Seems to me that in the face of that, you pull back into the larger bases, and do force protection and projection when you get a chance. The small outposts are going to become way to vulnerable.

PeterUK

Pofarmer.
That is exactly what happened to the British in Basra.Eventually they had to leave.I will find RAE North's blogs on this and post them.

clarice

I love the title of this post,TM.

Captain Hate

Somebody wrote the other day about military re-ups dropping like flies. Who can blame anybody for not wanting to fight an unwinnable battle for the Ditherer-in-Cheese?

PeterUK

Still Obama hasn't declared war on Neptune yet.

narciso

Splunge, but he is not being indecisive, unlike the old Raj set up, the only you influence Pakistan is from Afghanistan, or more properly from Kirgizstan, sarc, Of course the times is saying the Paks don't want any more troops sent their way. It's odd that the only leadership on the subject
comes from a Facebook page. Now if there was only someone who could Zardari's attention for a minute there.

Rick Ballard

Mr Uk,

The consort, Rolo the Bold (if very stupid), is pushing for an attack upon the Cardassian Union - Neptune will be spared.

Ranger

Obama could use a good military history class. He could take the heart the lessons of Operatoin Market Garden, where Ike tried to molify the Brits by taking resources from Patton (who was racing through central France towards Germany) and slowing his advance, so Monty could 'win the war' with one, quick stroke.

BTW, I doubt that McChrystal wanted 130,000 more troops. My guess is what he wanted was a total troop strength of 130,000 US troops, which would be just about exactly double of what we have there now. He probably cut that back to what he thought was the absolute minimum for his operational plans.

I does seem that Obama is finally learning that decisions have consequences. His entire life he has been able to BS and slide by. Now, for probably the first time in his life he is face with a choice that will really be measured historically for success or failure, e(ven the stimulus he can ultimatly blame on Nancy and Harry). It must truely terrify him.

DebinNC

That picture in the NYT of Obama giving his "pep talk" looks like he breezed in, corralled a few intel props for the camera, issued his "won't substantially reduce forces in Afghanistan" soundbite, and split. What a self-interested user he is.

clarice

I kid you not, but AP and the WaPo style section have features today on the Smithsonian Art The Won has borrowed for the WH walls.
This one is featured in both stories:

http://media.eyeblast.org/newsbusters/static/2009/10/SmithsonianArt.jpg >

Tom Bowler

PeterUK,

A decision could prove to be wrong this shattering his illusions of infallibility.

Bingo!

Worse,Obama has undermined his generals,his indecisiveness will have an adverse affect on troop moral.Public support will wither.

Obama may very well be counting on a withering of public support, to the point where abandoning Afghanistan seems the right and popular thing to do. Procrastination would serve him well in that aim. And anyway. Why else would he revisit this decision? It's not military strategy that consumes him.

centralcal

A picture worth a few words?

Pofarmer

I does seem that Obama is finally learning that decisions have consequences.

Where's the evidence of that? If he thought there were consequences, you would think he would actually DO something, not sit on a letter for 6 weeks. It's not HIS ass on the line "over their". I think it's just a political tic tac toe piece for him to use. As long as there are forces in Afghanistan, he thinks he can claim he is doing something. Whether it's effective or not is really not part of the equation.

narciso

Instead of the Jemhadar, got it, there, he's more the Pickard than the Sisko, but he still thinks of himself as the whatever
they called him, the Messenger. A remarkably cynical performance, I can't keep
up.

Pofarmer

Obama could use a good military history class.

Do you realize how much information he would have to UNLEARN for that to take hold?

Tom Bowler, I'm afraid you're dead on.

Ranger

I don't think Obama ever imagined he would be faced with this decision. He thought he had ended all discussion by firing the old commander and sending in two more brigades. He even went so far as to send Gates over to tell the chain of command to not even think about asking for more troops.

This was supposed to be just like those 'affordable housing' projects in Chicago. Big photo op with a giant cardboard check and walk away never to be seen in the area again. Nobody ever cared if the housing was livable, or if it ever even got built.

Reality bites.

narciso

The Emissary, that's what it was, someone should ask him, Mr. President. you read Ghost War, what do you think this tells us about our current situation

DebinNC

Obama may very well be counting on a withering of public support, to the point where abandoning Afghanistan seems the right and popular thing to do.

Makes sense, but the "withering" may be due more to a growing public recognition of the incompetence/venality of the current CiC, rather than the mission itself. I know that's why my support is withering.

Jack is Back!

Reality bites.

And without dentures. It hurts big time. And it leaves a mark.

Remember when he said in an interview that he once thought about joining the military? After I picked myself off the floor and flush the hot coffee out of my nose, I thought that maybe he should have and stayed in - permanent KP fits him like a shoe. Pots and Pans Man. That's him.

Ranger

As long as there are forces in Afghanistan, he thinks he can claim he is doing something. Whether it's effective or not is really not part of the equation.

Posted by: Pofarmer | October 07, 2009 at 09:23 AM

True, and his effort to push this past the November elections indicates he is trying to avoid the inevitable political damage he will take when he is forced to decide.

BTW, I should have made it clear that in Obama's mind, the consequences are for him peronally. I don't think he is capable of considering the impact of his actions on anyone else(as far as I can tell anyway).

I think McChrystal changed the dynamic by going public with the administration foot dragging. By publicly saying he can't support the "Biden Plan" he made it clear that he will walk of he doesn't get what he needs to be successful (and he should).

If Obama doesn't send the troops necesary for the mission, and McChrystal is right, we'll be reduced to defending the suburbs of Kabul and Bargam airbase by some time next year, or 2011 at the latest. Obama knows there is no way he will win re-election if that is the case.

MarkJ

Bad news: Obama will likely "split the baby" on Afghanistan.

Good news: To compensate for this, Obama will direct Eric Holder to set up a 24/7 task force to "find the real killers of Nicole Simpson."

clarice

I'm going to surprise you..I think he will send more troops. Code Pink was in Afghanistan and said we need more troops and Code Pink is 100% controlled by Medea's paymaster and Obama's buddy Chavez.

drjohn

That victory stuff is highly overrated....

Ranger

BTW, in other Stupid Obama Tricks:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/07/firefighters-lose-large-grant-to-acorn/>Firefighters lose large U.S. grant to ACORN

Nearly $1 million in Homeland Security funding typically earmarked for fire departments has been awarded to ACORN, despite a clear signal from Congress that it intends to cut off federal funding to the embattled group.

The grant to ACORN's Louisiana office became public on Oct. 2, less than three weeks after the House and Senate voted to cut off ACORN funding after employees were caught on video advising a fake prostitute and pimp on scams.

It was one of only three such grants issued to the state and made up almost 80 percent of the firefighting money earmarked for Louisiana, prompting one of the U.S. senators from the state to demand that the funds be taken back.

(via Hot Air Headlines)

narciso

The consequences of 'macaca' continue in the LUN,

drjohn

This is really scary, because it means he is not realy committed to winning, but managing the war vis-a-vis Lyndon Johnson. He's likely to leave winning to a successor to keep his base content.

The worst of all choices.

Extraneus

I agree. There aren't any peacenicks prodding him from the left, and if that place spirals out of control, it's all on him. No choice but to "listen to the generals" now.

Ann

OT

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Oh, and she has great recipes.

narciso

Sadly so, yet it gets worse all the time,

Extraneus

I meant I agreed with Clarice, that after all the beard scratching, he'll send more troops.

Ann

Oops, that would be thinK. What a typo!!!
LOL

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Who is going to claim/disavow this clown ?

If the dishwasher is happy, the cooks are happy.  If the cooks are happy the diners are happy..

Pots and Pans
Now there's the man
Who runs the kitching
Like potato peeling.
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narciso

Has the Atlantic driven everyone mad, including Robert Kaplan, in the LUN

PeterUK

Sending more troops will not,in the long run,dispel the truth that Obama is more concerned with political issues than prosecuting the war. This will produce the same ideas amongst the Taleban and AQ that encouraged the Viet Cong.

clarice

narciso. Make Afghanistan safe for China? You have a problem with that?

And not nobody else, never.

If Wahhabi money is cut off from the Taliban, then Afghanistan will be safe for the Afghanis, as it generally has been.
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narciso

That seems to be a strange argument to make,
wouldn't a revitalized Pashtunistan be a threat to East Turkestan, and Zinjiang, not to mention more global aspects.

Nelse he does and nelse he don'ts.

Heh, I almost wrote 'nelse', too.
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They need modernity like we need carbon encumbrance.

n, the terrain makes it simply safe locally, and conversely, difficult to act at a distance. Let the Afghani be.
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clarice

I read just the other day that the major source of Taliban funding these days isn't wWahhabi or Iranian or opium money--it is the percentage off the top demanded and given the Taliban by charitable operations in Aghanistan.
And you know what? That sounds right--and rather like the Chicago/Detroit/New jersey way, doesn't it?

narciso

That was certainly the M-19 operated, before
the FARC and the ELN muscled the cartels out of the way. It's much more pragmatic that way.

clarice

Graft seems to be as international a phenomenon as there is, narciso.

narciso

Remember where I used to live, although it's
kind of gotten kind of a bad rap as a
'banana republic' forgeting that mean of the practices like 'la botella' were imported from Ohio

maryrose

I agree with McCain- Obama is and has been too leisurely in his approach. According to Krauthammer it's all about the politics of 2010 and 2012 and the New Jersey and Va. governor's races.
Soldiers lives versus Obama afraid to make a mistake in his decision-making-pathetic CIC.

Soylent Red

Obama knows there is no way he will win re-election if that is the case.

This is the crux of EVERY Obama deliberative process, IMO. If he could figure out a way to pull out of Afghanistan altogether and not face the wrath of the electorate, the helicopters would have been lifting off of the embassy roof three months ago.

When you observe his actions as functions of feeding his narcissism (I know, I know, its a meme), and pleasing the segments of society that support him all his deliberations become even more clear. It's not whether sending troops (or advocating for Chicago, or snubbing allies, or whatever) is the right thing to do. It's how it will appear to the sniggering (racist codeword!) utopian seventh-graders who make up his electoral base, and the hard left socialist statists who make up his philosophical base.

Obama doesn't care about what is right for the country. He cares about what appears to be right for the people that matter to him. To channel Kanye (a jackass), "Barack H. Obama doesn't care about the 48% people."

Tom Bowler

Pofarmer,

It would have been more accurate for me to say that Obama may very well have been counting on a withering of public support. But then Bob Woodward and blew his cover by publishing the secret report. General McCrystal couldn't very well disavow what was in it and the next thing you know, it's politically impossible for Obama to procrastinate. So he does the next best thing: Deliberate! Or pretend to.

So Clarice and Extraneous will likely be proven right. After careful consideration Obama will send more troops, but will they be enough? Only enough to make it look as if he's trying real hard but not enough to bring security to the Afghans.

Then, regretably we can expect to be back to this decision again some months down the road. By then Obama can hope that enough time will have passed for Americans to become fed up and demand a pullout. Naturally it will be all George Bush's fault.

clarice

Maybe Armitage can be engaged to keep leaking the truth to Woodward. It's the Afghans' best hope.

narciso

So who do you think leaked this toWoodward, not MacChrystal I believe

Ranger

My bet is on either a civilian or a cereer colonel in the pentagon.

Tom Bowler

I don't have any idea who might have leaked to Woodward. But I do think it's revealing, maybe, that all the leaks so damaging to the Bush administration seemed to come from State and CIA, while the first hit taken by the Obama administration comes from Defense.

Ranger

Tom,

That's the way Washington is. State and CIA are Dem party fiefdoms. Defense is an R Feifdom (mainly because no good leftie would be comfortable working in the pentagon).

narciso

That's probably true, in addition the right minded CIA operatives, are in the field, and don't have the times or inclination to talk to the likes of Woodward

JM Hanes

Clarice:

Obama will send more troops; he just won't send enough. I doubt he understands that COIN based ops require a critical mass, before you can tip the balance -- especially if he's talking to the pencil pushers in Washington, not his Generals. The balance he's interested in is a domestic status quo -- enough men to keep the Republicans from crawling all over him, and not enough for the restive left to accuse him of escalation.

That's only part of the calculations here though. As more than one observer has reported, Obama makes everything personal. Well before McChrystal had even wrapped up his report, Obama sent Jim Jones overseas to tell him that the Prez would not take kindly to a request for more men. It occurs to me to wonder how the substance of that meeting actually made the news, but in any case, it set up what has become a double whammy.

First: The Secretary of Defense has his own domain to run, and Biden is just a Presidential sock puppet. Jones, however, housed w. the Prez in the West Wing, is as close to a surrogate C-i-C as it gets, and McChrystal disregarded the closest thing to a direct order to fudge the numbers Obama dared to issue. The General was going to be punished for that in some fashion, before the report Obama wanted to ignore was even leaked. Obama, having subsequently been elbowed byMcC, himself, in public, also needed to be seen putting his General back in his subordinate place. Et voilá, McChrystal has been made to twiddle his thumbs in a very public limbo, and has been called to the Principal's office like an errant student -- on the Danish tarmac, not the DC White House.

Second: What's incredibly worrisome on the Afghan front itself, is that the President, and possibly the DoD, may well assume that McChrystal would ask for more boots on the ground than he needed, as traditional commanders have been wont to do. Consonant with the Jones messaging, however, McChrystal apparently shaved the numbers as close as he could, in order to avoid rejection out of hand. Unfortunately, Obama will never agree to 40,000 troops, IMO, because that would make the Obama surge bigger than the Bush surge in Iraq.

As for election politics, the 2012 election is always a factor, but right now, the 2009 elections could have a dramatic effect on Congressional willingness to take risks in the name of the Obama agenda, and if the 2010 elections cut a big enough chunk out of the Democratic majority, the Obama presidency could be stopped dead in the water. The current Congressional machine is the only thing that has kept him in business this long.

Gregory Koster

Clarice, that art is classic. If only it said:

MayBee I'll


Then MayBee could feed JOM's wisdom to The Once and the nation would have a fighting chance...

clarice

I agree about Congrress,jmh. I am not sure about McChrystal. I do not think he will cave, and I think it will be hard to find a Shinseki or Weasley Clark to step up to the plate if he resignes.
Anything less than what he asks for risks the troops and with even Code Pink saying we need more troops, I think he hasn't much to worry about the peaceniks on his left flank.

narciso

I think that's right, consider that many of the mid level officers, colonel to brigadier general were rotated through Afghanistan and Iraq, and Petraeus did his part to promote them to the staff rank

Gregory Koster

My worry about McChrystal is that if an impasses occurs, The Once will try to bribe him, making him Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, say, to keep him quiet. Possible? Or not?

Jane

I'm jumping in in the middle hear but I heard Wesley Clark say last night that he would send the troops.

narciso

Where did you here that Jane, on his appearance with O'Reilly he was a lot like
that White House art piece. I don't think
that he would go along with that Greg, he's not cut from the same cloth as Casey, or Mullen for that matter

PeterUK

The problem for Obama is,none of the generals will want to be seen as the man who didn't send the cavalry.
The war in Afghanistan is far from over,there will be more casualties.If the Taleban catch on to the news cycle as Hamas,Hezbollah,the insurgents did,things will get very nasty.

Pofarmer

My worry about McChrystal is that if an impasses occurs, The Once will try to bribe him, making him Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, say, to keep him quiet. Possible? Or not?

That would be rather obvious, and assumes that McChrystal is of the same charachter as the Chicago thugs Obama is used to associating with.

daddy

"Still Obama hasn't declared war on Neptune yet."

And thank goodness he didn't declare war on Saturn either, because as this new discovery shows, Saturn">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/6269027/New-ring-discovered-around-Saturn-is-the-largest-in-the-Solar-system.html">Saturn just got reinforcements.

Jane

Narciso,

I have no idea - I always have noise on in the background, so it all melds together.

I also woke up in the middle of the night and saw Chris Matthews hold a forum about what is wrong with Obama with Dee Dee Meyers and Andy Card. Matthews was admitting there are problems which shocked me. And Card was fabulous.

PeterUK

daddy,
A good one,but I was thinking of the god Neptune,a la Caligula.

JM Hanes

I didn't mean to suggest that McChrystal will cave, although I don't think that will make a difference in the numbers. Resignation, however, is not as simple a matter as the folks who have implied it's a given absent Obama's acquiescence. Abandoning his men in the field, instead of continuing to fight for them in situ, has got to weigh heavily on any commander's shoulders. Once McC turns in his chips, his ability to affect the course of events is limited to what he might accomplish as an outsider military critic, and the assault on his reputation from the usual suspect will be fierce.

McChrystal certainly seems to have substantial support within the operational military community, and perhaps among the Joint Chiefs, so he could still be more effective on the ground than anyone else. Its my impression that there is general consensus that he's the best man for the job, and the matter of potential replacements has got to be a big consideration in how much pressure there will be to forestall his resignation. If Petraeus asks, or says he needs him to stay on, how likely is it that McChrystal will take a walk from a lifelong dedication, and a career path that could change again dramatically in 3 years?

It would take more than one high profile resignation to turn the politics around, and Obama is working every venue, and calling in every chip he's got, to cement his own advantage before things finally come to a head. While McChrysal waits outside the door, Obama is giving his cabinet, his "expert" advisors, not to mention Bob Gates, very visible seats at the table. After making a show of in including Republicans in, he will surely claim bi-partisan support for his new, improved strategy. He may well peel off any Republicans who are watching the polls as closely as the President is.

Short of a major exodus, a McChrystal departure will have little more than temporary symbolic value. With Petraeus flying under the radar right now, that doesn't seem likely to me. The imputation of Presidential ambitions to the CENTCOM commander which are conveniently surfacing right now, strike me as a preemptive defense should a confrontation with the public's, if not the Democrat's, favorite General occur.

JM Hanes

I hope I'm wrong, of course, and that Obama can be persuaded that a potential show-down is not in his best interests. Alas, I think the only thing Obama would see as more disastrous than a revolt in the ranks, would, ironically, be looking like a spineless C-i-C. We already know what he will say, should things get out of hand. He will characterize the opposition as self-interested partisans and a military preoccupied with tactics, not strategy. He will stake his presidency on making a stand in Washington, not Afghanistan.

PeterUK

JMH,
Obama is incapable of making decisions. To cover this the smear machine will be cranking up at this moment to cover his bum.

Mike Casner

The FBI does not include 9/11/01 among OBL's list of offenses he is wanted for. They admitted they "have no hard evidence linking him to the attacks. Anyone who lends credence to the validity of this articles reasons for being in Afghanistan in the first place, needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

daddy

"daddy,
A good one,but I was thinking of the god Neptune,a la Caligula."

P'UK,

My mistake. But I do vaguely recollect that now...how Caligula supposedly claimed to have won a bag of War Trophies (sea-shells) from Neptune, tho' can't remember if that's from "I Claudius" or Seutonius.

Anyhow, a thousand years later King Canute, with that failure at ordering the waves to stop, certainly got his rear-end whacked by King Neptune, so let's keep Obama away from picking on The Sea God---unless of course he actually can do the Messiah trot across the water, in which case I take it all back.

JM Hanes

daddy: Just thought you should know, I have exclusive dibs on Poseidon.

JM Hanes

And Saturn is F'd, who knew?

narciso

daddy, I heard the sales tax failed, so kudos to your efforts,and Coberg was reelected as mayor.

MacCrystal got as good as write up as one is likely to get in Newsweek, which I won't automatically consider a disqualification, Harvard, CFR, I know that's what they said
about Petraeus, before they tried to ignore
his efforts

daddy

Narciso, I take no personal credit, but 'tis nice to see.

In a few minutes I'm going to try to call AM 700, Eddie Burke, and see if I can get any info on the supposed latest Ethic's Complaint by McLeod. Burke was the guy who reported it on Monday but there's still no link anywhere.

Fagan's website, The Alaskan Standard has apparently been suspended today, so I need to call him too to find out why. (Just did---say's he's been shut down by some Liberal commenter who hats his guts---who doesn't? But says he'll address it later today.

And just for info---I missed Andree' McLeod's angry confrontation last month with the Personnel Board that does the Ethic's Investigations. Here's a ">http://community.adn.com/adn/node/143428"> link to that write-up from 3 weeks back.

narciso

Over in my neck of the woods, the reform candidate for Mayor of Miami, is gathering
steam in contributions and support. A former
radio commentator, who is sometimes derided
for not the smoothest style, who sticks up for the regular folk, sound familiar.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Not sure where this should be posted, so here it is, as seen at NRO:

Penguin e-mails:

Please note that THE PERSECUTION OF SARAH PALIN by Matthew Continetti is moving up from next February to November 12, 2009 to coincide with the publication of Palin's controversial memoir.

Continetti, the associate editor of The Weekly Standard, shows that because Palin was a strong and popular conservative with traditional values, Washington Democrats and their allies in the so-called “mainstream media” decided she had to be destroyed.   His book details how these elite liberals attacked her in ways that no previous candidate had ever experienced.  Everything from her clothing to her parenting style to her church were fair game, and no rumor was too malicious to spread.  

THE PERSECUTION OF SARAH PALIN will surprise people with its fresh details about Palin and the 2008 campaign. 

For a sample of one of Continetti's articles on Palin, please click here.

PeterUK

Troops in Afghanistan losing heart. A great job you are doing there Obama.

daddy

OT

Inside baseball stuff for Narciso. Fagan (750 AM) posted a picture from a Lib Bloggers website without permission, so he has been ordered to shutdown The Alaska Standard. His rival , Eddie Burke (700 AM) is laughing about Fagan on air. Fagan is responding that Burke is going to be fired since he has no listeners or advertisers. Burke's calling BS on that. Neither will call the other, so callers are calling in and second-handing each others dirty comments and slurs against each other. Comical, but so grossly stupid I can't stand it. And these are the only 2 "Conservative's" in the State we have to rely on as our megaphones. Gee-zus H.

narciso

My money's on Eddie, doesn't he have better ratings than Fagan anyways

Captain Hate

Matthew Continetti is a good writer and does his homework; Sarah will be served well by him being in her corner.

narciso

No, he is and I saw his interview of C-Span booknotes re an article he wrote about lack of trust, I guess he wants to get some of the spotlight. I'm a little concerned that it rehashes too much of the lowlights of the
campaign, while she's being reintroduced

narciso

Yet another strange turn in the Qum saga, in the LUN

Papa Ray

Obama has about as much a chance of making a decision on his own as I have of going up in the next space shuttle.

He will figure out a way to get an overwhelming recommendation that he MUST follow and then if there is defeat or problems he has everybody else to blame.

Oh...by the way, about those numbers of troops. It used to be it was 8 support troops to 1 shooter. I think because of technology they have it down to 4 support troops to each shooter. So looking at a forty thousand increase, what boots on the ground do you get out of that?

And another thing, according to Yon and others, the U.S. Army has gotten way too fond of their FOBs, they need to get out more, and circulate among the population and stay there and protect them.

The Marines know how to do that and are doing it every day. FOBs are for the Fobbits not for Warriors.

Papa Ray
Central Texas

daddy

Narciso,

They're neither 1 decent. Fagan's the quicker tongue but hates Palin irrationally, this the more dangerous. Burke is mentally slower, and thus a less lively show to listen to. When I called he said he couldn't remember making a comment about Andree', so maybe he was talking about a previous Ethic's Complaint. Ughh. I wash my hands of the both of them for the rest of the week.

Boy do we need better local conservative on air talent.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

image

15-ton super bunker-buster bomb (GBU-57A/B) Massive Ordinance Penetrator, which can reach a depth of 60.09 meters underground before exploding.

THEORY ONE:

.US giant bunker-buster bomb project rushed since Iran's Qom site discovered 28 September

THEORY TWO:

IS OBAMA ABOUT TO ICE OSAMA?

narciso

Yes, I don't see anything about any new complaint, then again with McLeod isanything
really new. I've really only known Burke, through the bits with the proprietor of C4P.
So, of course the Levi story is their local
big get, not the comments on energy,
currency, and support of the troop. And of course, there's an op ed from AGW booster
Adm. McGuinn, taking credit for her renewable energy plan

narciso

Zawahiri, seems to be the major player, now and he's probably holed up in a compound somewhere in a major city in Pakistan.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

She's baaaaaaaaack!

Cindy Sheehan has moved to Washington and is protesting Barack Obama’s war:

“Cindy Sheehan says she is moving to Washington. The anti-war activist was outside the White House for the second day in a row, with a bullhorn and a handful of protestors, shouting against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Guantanamo and calling for “health care not warfare.”
***
Park Police arrested Sheehan and 60 other protestors yesterday, after Sheehan chained herself to the fence on the North Lawn. Sheehan says she refuses to pay the fine and that she and other anti-war activists plan to “step up” their protests until the administration shows a willingness to withdraw U.S. forces from Afghanistan.

“We’re going to create a movement that’s going to demand a change of policy,” she said, explaining that her plan is to create large, coordinated acts of civil resistance, “It’s going to be massive.”

Pofarmer

It used to be it was 8 support troops to 1 shooter. I think because of technology they have it down to 4 support troops to each shooter.

I think the terrain in Afghanistan negates much of that advantage.

Good to see you papa ray.

Been to RT's lately?

clarice

Continetti is excellent. I may send my mom that book cause she bought all of that crap..

narciso

Forget what I said then,

bgates

narciso, I saw this about our least favorite female impersonator:

The Palin wig will soon have to "come out of the closet," she vowed

-apparently Tina Fey is schtumping David Letterman.

Barbara

For a view from Afghanistan on Obama's lack of support for the war (my interpretation) see the latest email from correspondent Michael Yon -

This supposed "low intensity" war is high intensity for the handful on the burning end. While London and Washington waffle over troop levels, Afghanistan is on course to surpass anything we ever saw in Iraq. We can still turn this war around but at the current rate surely the war will be lost. Indecision on a troop increase is a decision to lose the war. The required information has been presented to leaders in Washington and London. They have all the information needed to make a decision on troop levels. Weak civilian leadership is sabotaging the war effort.

Please see "A Story From War" (LUN).

Very Respectfully,
Michael Yon

[emphasis added]

Barbara

Here's the correct LUN for "A Story From War"

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