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November 18, 2009

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clarice

I think that's so, Po.
Dem lawyers from my husband's firm negoiated an important agreement with her and found her to be bright, extremely tough and capable and a person with great executive skills and thorough knowledge of energy matters.

(They also liked Jindal and found him very bright and capable.)

So, on one hand I have the word of political opponents who worked with her and found her to be very capable and admirable and on the other there's Couris and Andy Sullivan. Oh, dear, whose view to take?

Decisions. Decisions.

Pofarmer

Didn't he explicitly state he'd leave the campaign if McCain ever actually "attacked" The Won?

Yep.

Pofarmer

Drudge had up a story earlier picking up on the 10k number that showed up for Sarah's book signing. If she would speak some before each event, who knows how many would show? Hell Biden couldn't get 500 to show up to planned events DURING the damned campaign. McCain couldn't draw more than a few thousand on his own. Yet, 10k show up at a book signing, knowing all they'll get is a glimpse or a short speech and only 1000 will actually get books signed? And NOWHERE in the MSM is mention of the numbers?

Porchlight

Po,

After the Grand Rapids event I wonder if they will try to do what they did there and have a short stage appearance before the signing begins at each location. There's no way I can get there early enough to be one of the first 1000 in Plano or Ft. Hood, but if it was guaranteed that I could at least see her speak for a few minutes, I might make the drive.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Not a policy issue, but a good example of what Schmidt? or one of his minions did to her. They packed all the "clothes," you know that supposed $150,000 wardrobe which included $70 pantyhose she refused to wear because of the ridiculous price, into the jet hold and sent them back with her to Wasilla with instructions to separate her own clothes from those bought by the campaign. She went through the clothes with the help of a couple of staffers, packed up 30 boxes worth plus 14 empty suitcases and sent it all back. But, what did Schmidt? or one of his minions do, they announced to the press that she had stolen the clothes and tried to abscond with them. They even sent RNC lawyers to Alaska to retrieve the stolen property they told her to take home with her to sort out and that she had already sent back.

Sue

From the WaPo:

Members of the White House press corps traveling with Obama were baffled: Even Bush, the great unilateralist, had been more willing to mix it up with journalists, foreign and domestic, while abroad. After reporters complained to White House press secretary Robert Gibbs about a lack of communication, he issued a 61-word written statement worthy of the Politburo Standing Committee: "President Obama's visit to China has demonstrated the depth and breadth of the global and other challenges where US-China cooperation is critical," it began.

That is low. Very low. Obama is in trouble.

ROA

Speaking of Sarah Palin, Victor Davis Hanson said "I would trust the judgment of someone with Palin’s background on matters of Iran or Honduras or Putin far more than I would someone of Obama’s resume. I would trust my neighbor who farms 180 acres more than I would a chairman of an academic department. I know, I know, there are extreme binaries, but they are reflective of the lack of autonomy and physicality today and the undue emphasis on elite schooling as prerequisites for success. We know now that you can do nothing and still finish as the head of Harvard Law Review, or win a Nobel Prize, but if you miss an antlered moose, or run out of gas in the tundra, or fall overboard on a salmon boat, there is no Norwegian committee or Harvard Law Dean to bail you out."

LUN

Mr. Rogers

can you say mistrial, Mr. Holder?

I think you can......

daddy

Thanks Frau,

I just wanted to get that dig in about the purchaser of Manhattan originally being French in order to rile up the Yankee fans amongst us:) My book ">http://www.amazon.com/Island-Center-World-Manhattan-Forgotten/dp/1400078679/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258664880&sr=1-1"> The Island at the Center of the World: The Epic Story of Dutch Manhattan and the Forgotten Colony That Shaped America says "his ancestry was French, so his name was pronounced in the French way_"Min-wee"...His father had taken part in the northward migration of Protestants fleeing Spanish troops and inquisitors, and settled in the small German own of Wesel,near the Dutch border, and it was here that Peter Minuet grew up."

That fits into your narrative. Unfortunately though, being like Sarah Palin, what with his odd accent, his lack of military training, and his lack of a hi-falutin' University Degree, he was only able to securely establish and legally purchase the successful colony of New Amsterdam in the New World, and then after being dissed and dismissed by the Credentialed moron grads of Leiden University in the Netherlands, he did the same thing in purchasing and establishing the successful colony of New Sweden in what became the state of Delaware.

Oh well...samo, samo.

Sue

Ranger,

With questions like these, even President Hu might start talking to the press.

I am almost impressed. Too little, too late, but maybe better late than never?

Porchlight

I like VDH's take. Palin can get us through times of no academics better than academics can get us through times with no Palin (or others with her skills).

It's sad that so few academics recognize this. VDH is quite literally one in a million.

Sue

Ooops...Palin's favorables back up to 47%. Sort of where Obama's are, no? ::grin::

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I just wanted to get that dig in about the purchaser of Manhattan originally being French in order to rile up the Yankee fans amongst us:)

My maternal ancestors were some of the first settlers on Long Island (early 1620-30s) and what is now Manhattan. The Clock/Klock farm was part of what is now downtown Manhattan. The Klocks were Dutch, but all the rest were French Huguenots (most who started out with large holdings in Southold or the Hamptons) who took the same route to escape the purges. Germany to the Netherlands to England to America. In any event, they came to escape the persecutions by the Catholic church against protestants going on in Europe.

pops

I really don't understand the point here. Obama should execute KSM tomorrow, and then go on with the trials.

He's already guaranteed conviction, he's already said he would never be acquitted and released. So why not just carry out the inevitable sentence now and then we can proceed with the trial in good order.

I mean since this is just a show trial and Obama and Holder plan to jail KSM regardless of the case outcome, why not just give him death, instead of life, now and shorten the trial with a lot less motions from a dead defendant.

Pagar

Did anyone ever check to see if any of the ones that did not want McCain to win came out of the campaign with more financial resources than they should have. The Obama campaign obviously had more money than they knew what to do with and as far as I can remember no one ever looked at how it all was spent. It just seems like an awful lot of people who were not committed to Mccain winning, worked for him.

narciso

Schmidt, as Sarah points out herself, has certain skills, he was the one that zeroed in on Kerry's 'global test' formulation, back in 2004. But he became convinced as he pointed out, in that post campaign colloquoy, he though Obama's idealism reminiscent of JFK,
and the Lehman collapse convinced him McCain couldn't win. Of course, most everything he did, made the situation worse, and then they
tried to hang Sarah with it.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

It's sad that so few academics recognize this.

I grew up in an education is king environment and with the idea if you weren't college educated, you were really a sad sack loser. Very elitist attitude.

Once I was out on my own and in the real world, I realized that what I'd learned in school was absolutely useless for operating in that real world.

But, you have to understand, you are completely brainwashed to think that anyone who actually works for a living isn't quite up to the social status of someone with lots of degrees. Quickly, in the real world, you learn the experts are usually those who have started at the bottom with nothing, have a fire in the belly to be successful, who are the real movers and shakers. In the last 30 years, we've lost sight of what inventiveness, hands on experience, and hard work bring to the table.

And what is really sad is those with their Ivy League degrees have no idea in what contempt the general public holds them. Do you really think that a rancher in Montana or a farmer in Kansas cares who headed up Harvard Law Review? Do they give a rat's a$$ about MoDo in the NYT, or what Sullivan writes in the Atlantic.

My Mother sat me down one day about 3 years into my marriage and said, "You need to get your head straight!" Huh? She went on to ask me, "Can you wire or rewire an entire Navy ship? Can you build an engine from scratch? Do you know how to turn a packing crate into a beautiful table? And on and on with questions like that. My answer to all was, "No." She said, "Well your husband can, so who is really smarter, you or is he?" She then, in her best Mom voice said to me, "Stop treating him like a dunce because he doesn't know who wrote X, Y or Z. You are smart in book learning, he is smarter because he has real world practical and valuable skills." She then said, "Don't ever undervalue the practical, in the end it will be more important." I remember saying to her, well you have a degrees in economics, I'll never understand that topic. She looked at me and said, "You practice economics every month when you try to stretch Navy pay into managing your household and that is probably more experience than most academic economists get in a lifetime, even if you don't know all the terms of the profession. Common sense, my dear, common sense.

This was advice from a woman with a masters from an elite university, top of her own field and with an IQ over 170.

clarice

Do you suppose that as the WaPo sinks into the sunset a ray of light as to why it is failing is breaking thru the fog?

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Army keeping media from Palin event at Ft. Bragg...

Sue

Clarice,

No. Ever once in a while, they throw us a bone. This is their bone. They are now, they were then, and they always will be, part of the group that wanted the fool elected president based on how cool he was.

bad

...the group that wanted the fool elected president based on how cool he was.

I'm still waiting to see ANYTHING cool from the doofus.

Hell, even I don't wear mom jeans....

daddy

And on the flip side of that Sara is that Senator Mark Begich, the college dropout that the Media refuses to make mention of as a college dropout, is as capable of lying to his constituency and blowing taxpayer money as any Harvard Law School Graduate like Obama, etc.

It's the individual that needs to be judged or condemned, based on the decisions that individual makes in real life, and not on some BS piece of sheepskin parchment somebodies got hanging on an office wall.

Pagar

From Sara's 5:34 link:
"He said the Army did not want the Monday event to become a platform to express political opinions "directed against the commander in chief."

I'm totally amazed the Army is going to allow the event at all.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Palin's Dad to the Sully Trig Truthers:

"I know Trig is hers, dumbass, I was there when he popped out."

Sara (Pal2Pal)

If big ears and an emaciated body wearing stupid clothes is cool, then cool is not very cool.

bad

Ya know who else doesn't wear mom jeans?

Sarah Palin

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Good grief! One of the "ethics" complaints filed against Sarah, claimed she wasn't doing enough about "the fact" that the women in Alaska wear their clothes too tight. Sarah says, "breasts were apparently spilling from blouses all over the 49th state and Andree demanded I do something about it."

Sara (Pal2Pal)

BTW, Sarah's reaction to the above: "After the string of nutty complaints...this one just cracked us up. "Yep, that's my job," she said, "I'm the state Cleavage Czar. I'll get right on it."

Extraneus

Has anything come of Ashcroft's assertion that Holder didn't have the authority to decide to try KSM in civil court?

"The attorney general doesn't have the authority to mandate that the secretary of Defense turn somebody over to him and yield jurisdiction so that something that would have been done in a military setting is done in a civilian setting," Ashcroft told the Christ Stigall show on KCMO radio this morning.

"I believe that this is a decision that comes as a result of the president making the decision, or if not making the decision, allowing an attorney general to do what he normally doesn't have the authority to do, and could only do at the acquiescence of the president," the former AG and former Missouri senator argued.

Seems like this puts the lie to Holder's (seemingly b.s.) claim that all he did was inform Obama of the decision, but I haven't seen whether the administration has responded to Ashcroft one way or the other.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

In addition to complaints like holding a fish for a photo for a state fishing magazine (don't get this one), she also had a complaint filed against her by a fake British soap opera character. The charge, talking to reporters her first day back after the campaign, in her state office, and in the lobby of the building.

Pofarmer

But, what did Schmidt? or one of his minions do, they announced to the press that she had stolen the clothes and tried to abscond with them. They even sent RNC lawyers to Alaska to retrieve the stolen property they told her to take home with her to sort out and that she had already sent back.

So, why would they do that, and why wouldn't McCain call them out on it?

I can't decide if it's so absurd it's ridiculous or the other way around. Like I said on another blog-We've been compromised.

matt

the decision to hand over KSM and the others clearly had to be an interagency decision authorized by the president.

The key will be a FOIA request on the documentation transferring the suspects to DoJ custody.

You know, the whole transparency thing....

Frau Nebenan

From ChaCo's link at 12:51:
There will, though, inevitably come a time when Obama discovers who America’s true friends really are. Sooner or later he will have to deal with the considerably more taxing issues of Islamist militancy, rogue nuclear states and other tangible threats to the West’s security. At that point, Obama will discover a simple but essential truth. The world divides between those who support American values of freedom and democracy, and those who seek to destroy them.
Few nations have been more committed to supporting those values with both blood and treasure than Britain. This country, and especially those British troops fighting alongside their American counterparts, deserve far better than this president’s disregard."

bad

David Frum: LUN

This is a woman who has got into a position of leadership by sending very powerful sexual signals. And we see that in the way that men like her much more than women do.

Is Frum implying I'm a lesbo if I like Sarah? Mr bad is not going to take this news well...

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Why would they do it? Why would Schmidt do it?

I'm almost finished with the book and it is appalling what they continued to bombard her with months and months after the campaign, both from national and state operatives. For instance, a majority of the ethics complaints were filed by a woman known to be an Alaskan nutjob. She'd been around since Sarah's first mayoral run. But, suddenly she was being funded by opposition forces and a lib dem attorney took over writing the compalints for her. Even the McCain campaign sent her a bill for $50,000, the cost they said of vetting her.

Their mistake, thinking she was too dumb not to keep a record or the bills.

clarice

I do think a lot of those men who hate her fear her sexual power. She is simply the sexiest American woman politician ever.

Extraneus

Something tells me that Frum and Brooks and many of the men attacking her on such flimsy grounds are henpecked husbands with jealous wives. (I'm being charitable in assuming that these two have wives.)

Let's not forget the jezebel.com gals. I believe one of them commented about being violently ill and her "blood boiling with murderous rage" at Palin's acceptance speech, and there were many, many other similar initial-reaction comments from those lovely ladies last year. Surely their husbands might have decided to prove themselves.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

They are TM's Connecticut babes, the wives, or maybe the writers too.

Extraneus

Why would a man hate a woman for her sexual power? It doesn't seem like an instinctive reaction.

Pagar

"Even the McCain campaign sent her a bill for $50,000, the cost they said of vetting her."

Why in the world would anyone think it made sense to do this?

hit and run

Extraneus:
Something tells me that Frum and Brooks and many of the men attacking her on such flimsy grounds are henpecked husbands with jealous wives. (I'm being charitable in assuming that these two have wives.)

Frum is married to Huffington Post blogger, Danielle Critteden.

You may not be familiar with her,or her work,so...let's cut to the http://www.huffingtonpost.com/danielle-crittenden/taint-elitist-to-be-anti_b_138433.html>eve of last year's election:

Those with degrees from approved universities are capable of mounting their own defense. But what about those of us who did not go to Harvard -- and yet whose eyes still bug out at the prospect of a Palin vice presidency, let alone the prospect of her as a "key leader"in the future?

An uncredentialed and bug-eyed moron,I guess.

hit and run

***Crittenden***

clarice

Danielle is very beautiful and the daughter of prominent Canadian pressies. She and her husband live in a gorgeous house which they spent years renovating.
I doubt that he's henpecked.
I don't understand the phenomenon of men being petrified by powerful sexy women but I have seen it too often to deny that it exists.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Pagar: They said if they'd won, they would have paid, but since they lost, she had to pay.

Pagar

"men who hate her fear her sexual power. "

What do they think she is going to do, rip their zippers apart and force them?

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Clarice: At the end of the book, Sarah tells a story of being out of touch in a cell phone challenged area while taking a few days off to work on Todd's fishing boatn just after her resignation.

The Lower 48 press were clamoring for an interview, so she okay'd it for them to come to Dillingham and she'd talk to him during the tide change. She couldn't wait to get Andrea Mitchell in hip waders and out on the boat to get slimed. Like she says, there is nothing diva-like in working a salmon netter.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

to to them not him

Porchlight

Is Frum implying I'm a lesbo if I like Sarah? Mr bad is not going to take this news well...

Mr. Porchlight is a Sarah fan even though he votes Dem, because he is interested in survival stuff and Sarah is the biggest survival babe on the planet. He is in awe of her. Not for exactly the right reasons, I would argue, but if it opens a door to smarter thinking (and voting?) down the road, I'll take it.

centralcal

Sara: Were you aware that Andrea Mitchell frantically sped-read the book to find any references to herself, and that is the one she found (fishing boats, slime) and discussed on air the morning the book was released?

I thought it was a hoot. Vain old Andrea frantic to see what Palin might have said about her.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I hadn't heard that CC. That's hilarious.

Extraneus

I guess. The woman sure does evoke some hard to understand emotions. Has a hot-looking, dumb, happily-married man ever engendered murderous irrational rage in other men? Take Biden, for example.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Biden? No. But I think Romney is every bit as good looking a man as Palin is a woman and I've not heard the same about him.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

One of the things that I think makes me the angriest over what the media and others have done to the Palin family is what is going on now. Bristol is working two jobs to buy diapers and support her son and also going to college while that slime Levi is being whined and dined and being made into a celebrity instead of being called what he really is: a dead beat Dad and total scumbag.

Pofarmer

Pagar: They said if they'd won, they would have paid, but since they lost, she had to pay.

So, the folks who were vetted, who didn't get picked, got?

I always kinda thought that politics was full of petty imbeciles, and I'm not finding much that doesn't reinforce that view.

Jane

Don't let it make you mad Sara. Bristol will be fine precisely because she is working 2 jobs to support her son while going to college. Levi, OTOH has very little to look forward to.

It's all about values.

daddy

I had no idea I was a Lesbian.

Well, if the Palin fits...

Melinda Romanoff

ccal-

Mrs. Greenspan has "people" who read for her. She doesn't bother with "that sort of thing".

Sometimes, I think, neither did her husband.

narciso

Otherwise he wouldn't have raised interest rates, eighteen times between 2004 and 2006, having made such a fuss about the subprime
problem.

Frum is a pathetic little twerp, with terrible
judgement as seen last year. No one is really
what he is selling. btw, LOL daddy

Pagar

"They said if they'd won, they would have paid, but since they lost, she had to pay"

This is insane! Our nation has a president that has never been vetted by anyone. In fact, the courts have apparently held that no American citizen has standing to vet him and yet a person who never asked for the job, never did anything wrong except to work her heart out trying to win is fined $50,000 for the crime of believing in America and believing that she could make this world a better place. A belief she apparently still holds today, after all the verbal and legal abuse she has taken from those Americans who do not want any decent person anywhere in this great nation

And people wonder why few decent people get into politics. May God bless the few who do.

Gregory Koster

Sara, you've raised the "McC's villainous aides did SP in," defense. It's true, but it doesn't convince me. This is why:

In 2002, SP ran for Alaska lt. guv, and came in second. That, and her Wasilla record plainly showed that she was a rising star in Alaska politics. Hence Grubneor Murkowski took SP on to his team by appointing her chair of the state Oil and Gas Conservation Commission. Get he on the team. But SP was not going to sit still for all the funny deals that were going on in the GOP establishment. She resigned after a year, but did so in such a way as to a) focus the opprobium on Murkowski b) come across as the defender of the public interest c) show courage at taking on the Murkowski organization. To my mind, this was the peak of SP's career before taking up the Governor's office. She came across as smart, tough, effective, fearless because she was s, t, e, f.

What happened to this strong, capable effective politician when she had to face McC's snakes? The collapse and retreat is striking. It's been said that SP was subordiinate to McC in the campaign. There's certainly precedent for that: Miller under Goldwater, Bush41 under Reagan, Gore under Billyboy, and above all, Humphrey under Johnson. But it doesn't have to be that way. You've been quite harsh on Ivy League book-learned people of late---almost as harsh as I habitually am! But there was an ivory tower book I wish SP had read before accepting McC's offer: Stephen Ambrose's biography of Richard Nixon, volume one. This book describes the 1952 Prez race, showing that Nixon did much more than be Eisenhower's "prat boy" in Walter Bedell Smith's phrase. SP could have told McC's minions to take a hike. From her acceptance speech, it was instantly apparent that she had a phenomenal capacity to connect with middle class voters. I certainly underestimated this talent of hers at the time. Such a talent was what McC badly needed. It baffles me that such a talent could not follow her Oil & Gas Commission experience and tell Schmidt to go to hell. What could Schmidt have done to such a demand? Can her as George McGovern did Thomas Eagleton in 1972? We know how that worked out.

I think SP caved on this issue because she didn't have time to prepare herself, to think through what she was going to do, how to do it, what allies she oculd count on, what enemies she would have to attack. It was a daunting task. But it comes with the opportunity. Presidential politics is unforgiving. The Victor Hansen article linked to earlier in this thread has the wise observation that the press and the political establishment in general is going to be biased against SP, and will fight ruthlessly against her. Complaining about such tactics is useless. This is why I'm unimpressed with the argument that the ethics complaints against SP were a deliberate attempt to run her out of politics. Of course they were---and they succeeded. SP was in a difficult position, no question. But she backed away, once again, not acting like the SP of the Oil and Gas Commission. She had a chance to be a great governor, like Oliver Morton or Al Smith . She did not do so. She chose another path, one that's been tried in the past, but not to much effect.

I think SP has the potential to play a great role in American politics. I also think it isn't as a candidate for office. I could be wrong. I hope this effusion will give you some idea where I am coming from.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Pagar: Sarah voiced similar sentiments in her book.

PD

My maternal ancestors were some of the first settlers on Long Island (early 1620-30s) and what is now Manhattan. The Clock/Klock farm was part of what is now downtown Manhattan. The Klocks were Dutch, but all the rest were French Huguenots (most who started out with large holdings in Southold or the Hamptons) who took the same route to escape the purges.

Hey, wow. I descend from the Hugenots, too.

clarice

Pagar--La belle Dame sans merci--the fear of being in thrall to a woman. Combine political power with sexual attractiveness and some basic fear of being under a woman's control comes to the fore..in many men..

PD

Levi, OTOH has very little to look forward to.

Oh, my.

Pofarmer

One note, Mr. Koster.

The SP of the Oil and Gas commission was on the attack, not defending attacks, and, especially, defending attacks from those who should have been allies. Is this an excuse? Maybe. I don't think there's any doubt that American politics is broken. Somebody needs to kill it, open it up and dissect the parts, and figure out how to keep this from happening again. Can SP help with that? I dunno.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Gregory: Read the book. You are way way off base. She doesn't complain, in fact, she defends others and owns up to her own mistakes in many cases, but she had little personal interaction with Schmidt and for a long time the joke was "where is and who are headquarters."

The "B" Team was kept isolated and out of the loop. Much of the blindsiding was just that. She talks about having a hotel room with a TV in the bathroom mirror and seeing that the campaign had released the information about Bristol's pregnancy without her or Bristol's permission and without consulting her first while in the middle of brushing her teeth. She was then left to meet the press and responding.

She tells this story and then tells how she had written her own press release for this announcement and sent it to be approved but they ignored it and released their own statement which was nothing like what she wanted.

I don't see whining or complaining in the book, I see her laying out the truth of highly touted matters and telling it like it really happened.

I will say though that there were times when I wanted to say, oh Sarah, if you'd only stuck to your guns and insisted in doing it your way or when he started screaming at you, why didn't you just knock his teeth down his throat. Unfortunately, when she attempted this route (not the physical violence), the HQ/Schmidt put out the word that she is a real diva and highly uncooperative. Her first loyalty, in her mind, was to John McCain and not doing anything that would hurt him, even if it meant taking some arrows herself. And the spin was that she was hurting the campaign even though the crowds were saying otherwise.

One thing that is clear. She is not anywhere as naive or as trusting now.

I get Sarah Palin's sarcastic sometimes subtle digs. I recognize them, because it is something I do quite well myself. But, East Coast stuffed shirts don't get it anymore than they got her "you know what I mean" winks.

Another example of something that just shows how petty these McCain handlers were. She was told by her comm people to write a concession speech and to introduce McC for his. So she did. Then when they got to the venue and she was trying to find out where she should wait and when she'd be going on, they asked her why she would think she would be allowed to speak, implying no VP candidate ever speaks at a concession.

She was constantly be chided for going off script, but never given a script to stay on. Like SNL, the day of the taping, there still was no script. They were setting her up. So, she and some of her staff, wrote a script just in case.

Doc Flop

Holder made the right decision. This is the best way to bring terrorists to justice. I know because I read about it in the Atlantic about 20 years ago.

Ann

Sara:

I remember a lot of men didn't like Romney. My husband even said guys hate him because he is just the type that got all the good looking girls in high school without trying. (Had to remind him that I never went out with a Romney. HA!)

Anyways, I never saw the same kind of hatred they have for Palin.

Here is a good example of how much they don't understand the Sarah phenomenon: We Are All Whitey Tribal Teabagging Birthers

Pofarmer

I don't like Romney simply because he comes across as a squish.

daddy

"Hey, wow. I descend from the Hugenots, too."

Wow PD,

Having failed in my youth to get any of my lousy Sci-Fi stories published, I guess I'm a ">http://www.thehugoawards.org/"> Hugo-Not also.

Pofarmer

Ya know, it sounds like the Diva was McCain. The McCain folks just wanted window dressing. Sounds about right.

bgates

At that point, Obama will discover a simple but essential truth. The world divides between those who support American values of freedom and democracy, and those who seek to destroy them.

Yeah, and maybe soon after that the Spectator will discover which side of that divide Obama's on.

Janet

Romney is not my guy either. Not even sure why. Even though I am socially conservative, I liked Giuliani because he said what he meant. I'd rather know where I stand with a politician - even disagreeing on some things - than feel the media will hold power over them. McCain was terrible, just terrible.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

GOING ROGUE is going went into its 2nd printing the day it was released.

Porchlight

Yeah, and maybe soon after that the Spectator will discover which side of that divide Obama's on.

You would think the Spectator would know better, but they're not the rag they once were.

Or maybe they do know, but aren't (yet?) willing to put it on the line.

Ann

I went to the bookstore this evening where Sarah Palin will be appearing tomorrow in Cols, OH. They are passing out 1000 arm bands tomorrow starting at 10am for those people that purchased a book at there store.

There were people at 5pm today that had pitched tents to spend the night to get in line at 10am tomorrow for a arm band.

They told me that she will not personalize books or take pictures. I think that works out to 5 books per minute or something. Also, she will only sign two books per person. So if everyone has two books, like I do, then it is 10 books per minute or one book every six seconds. Is it worth it to stand in line for 4 hours for six seconds of greatness?

I was really hoping to get one personalized for narciso but the odds of even getting her signature seem bleak.

Should I go for it? What time do you think I have to show up to be one of the lucky 1000?

Pofarmer

Go for it Ann. I'd get there as early as you humanly can. 5AM wouldn't be too early.

Also, and, realize, I'm not trying to order anybody around here, but I would LOOOVVVVEEEEE to get some good crowd numbers of those who show up. We have some unconvirmed 10k numbers from Yesterday, but, of course, the MSM isn't going to verify anything like that.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Sarah has something besides great looks and natural sexuality. She is always direct. Unlike most politicians, she instinctively answers the actual question asked by her constituents and the reporters covering her. She seldom minces words, and what you see is what you get. Metrosexuals are scared to death of women like that. They can't handle a woman who tells them what she thinks, and really likes good roll in the hay even when initiated by her husband (or significant other).

Sara's mom had it right to never underestimate practical wisdom. Two midwestern Presidents, Abe and Ike, had that qualitiy above all others. And they put that quality to good use when our country was in its worst peril, although Ike wasn't yet President when he displayed it.

The Governor connects with midwesterners, farmers, and other red-state rural folks because strong, practical and naturally sexy women are the rule there rather than the exception. Running a farm or living in rural Wyoming or Alaska ain't for sissies.

Very few of my fellow Ivy Leaguers have the same appreciation of this kind of person, whether male or female. That she's a "feminine dame" (hattip, Oscar Hammerstein) makes her even more scary to this demographic. They just don't experience women like that.

Charlie (Colorado)

sending Zoroastrian telegrams to the Iranian guard's handpicked candidate also not good

Okay, I give. WTF is a Zoroastrian telegram?

Melinda Romanoff

Jim-

That's a very economical way of saying what I've always thought. Thank you.

(I posted a shopping list for you, of sorts, a few days ago. Did you catch it? You will not be happy about the time it will eat.)

Pofarmer

Gregory Koster

Also keep in mind that the Dims were willing to spend ANYTHING to defeat her in the Gubernatorial race in 2010. It would have been monumentally nasty. This way here Lt. Gov has the advantage of running as an incumbent.

Melinda Romanoff

Po-

Is everything in? Are you free for a call tomorrow? I have a ton of questions.

Charlie (Colorado)

Is Frum implying I'm a lesbo if I like Sarah? Mr bad is not going to take this news well...

You can probably sell it if you suggest a threesome....

Pofarmer

Hey Mel. Don't bother me between 5:00 and 8:30 AM or so. I'll be doing my Elmer Fudd impression. I'll be on the road for a while right after 3:00 PM, so that might not be a bad time. Looking to hear from you.

Charlie (Colorado)

Having failed in my youth to get any of my lousy Sci-Fi stories published, I guess I'm a Hugo-Not also.

O.
M.
G.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Thanks, Melinda. It has been hard keeping up the past few days, so I must have missed your comment on the shopping. Which thread was it on? I'll check it our.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

That should have been "i'll check it out".

Melinda Romanoff

Po-

Post 3PM it is.

Melinda Romanoff

Jim-

Start at the LUN, then go to the home page and start picking names, and label numbers.

It gets expensive when you start finding the Japanese recordings. Really expensive.

(And this is a Japanese compilation site, BTW)

Charlie (Colorado)

On the question of Sarah's resignation, there are two more points I think need to be considered.

The first one is that she seems to have a great grasp of Sunzi, whether she ever read the Art of War or not. See, eg, these verses:

18. All warfare is based on deception.
19. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.
20. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.
21. If he is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him.
22. If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant.
23. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them.
24. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.

The second one is that one of the last "ethics" complaints filed against her was for establishing a legal defense fund. If she had been trying to defend that one, one result would be that the legal defense fund itself would be frozen; they would have put it back on her own finances.

By resigning when she did, she obviated that — and the next 50 complaints — and, as we're seeing with her Facebook postings, she ended up "somehow" in a position where she is arguably now the most effective and powerful GOP politician in the country.

I don't think the notion that she either "wimped out" or that she isn't smart, especially politically, stands up to examination.

Melinda Romanoff

Chaco-

I only had to re-read one of your Sun-Tzu lines and ralize the near direct re-interpretation via Alinsky.

Wrong rules re-written. Oh, this is going to be fun. Any body else want to play this game (besides having to find my copy of Sun-Tzu.)

Great reminder, thanks cha-co!

G'night all.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Thanks, Melinda.

Charlie (Colorado)

Melinda, here's a decent translation online.

For LOTS of detail, try Son Shi.

clarice

Night, Mel.

Frum has made himself a laughingstock. Another bites the dust at Sarah's feet.

Gregory Koster

Charlie, do you have any evidence that the ethics complaint aimed at freezing the Alaska Trust's finances would have been any more successful than any of the other complaints? Once defeated, the Trust would be back in business. More, why couldn't SP, with the effectiveness and power you give her, get this law changed? I'm also astonished that you think resigning a governorship will make a politician more powerful. Jimmy Carter thinks this is so, but he's a peculiar talking point for JOM.

As for Palin's effectiveness and power, I have doubts. She could not get Hoffman home in a district that is notoriously Right. She can draw big crowds. But how much of this is because SP is seen as the anti-Obama, just as Obama was the anti-Bush? I repeat: name me an American poltician who resigned from public office, went back to private life, and later came back, to higher public office. Nelson Rockefeller is not an inspiriting example.

Pofarmer, the 2010 argument you put up is silly. Why did SP have to run for Governor in 2010? But concede your point: if she chooses to run in 2012, will the Democrats roll over for her? Hardly; they'll spend "anything" in a "monumentally nasty" campaign to defeat her. Or don't you think The Once and his gang are capable of that kind of politics?

Sara, many thanks for your long reply. I'm still not satisfied. More than ever I think Palin should have read the Ambrose biography of Nixon on the 1952 campaign. Nixon was in a similar situation, though even worse, and not only routed his adversaries on Eisenhower's staff, but in the liberal press. SP could have profited from this study, even if reading books may be regarded as sissy. I am waiting for the SP book, which will take some time to reach me. Meanwhile, since you've read it, tell me why you think SP did not reprise her Oil & Gas role in the 2008 campaign. I think Pofarmer is on to something with his idea that the 2008 SP started on the defensive. Yet by mid-October it was quite obvious that deferring to such swine as Schmidt was a mug's game. Why didn't she cut loose? Is it because SP's well-deserved rep as a GOP maverick, as Frank Murkowski's gap-toothed smile could tell you, had preceded her? Why bow to such obvious dolts at Schmidt? I think it was because she wasn't ready. The notion that she wrote a press release but Schmidt wouldn't give it to the press is silly. It makes SP look weak. If she had called a press conference, what would Schmidt have done? Stepped up the leaks against her? He was already doing that for all he was worth? Stressing the pettiness of McC's vipers is true, but it makes SP look unprepared for national politics, or worse, weak. No, by mid-October her play was to "give 'em hell." It gave her a long---a dauntingly long---shot at winning it for McC, but would also improve her rep with the public and the GOP base. Why didn't she do it?

narciso

GK, she was up against the moron RNC/NRCC which had spent 900K on a Lemon like Scozzo, she brought him very close to the line, Not surprisingly many of the players from last year, made it into what is known as the Clique, and they have fumbled both races under their charge, whereas the only race, that she directly intervened in, the Chambliss race, was a victory. WE have seen the same flawed dynamic first with Specter, and now with Crist in my neck of the woods. Two either clueless or unknowingly compromised candidates, that they doubled down until it was too late.

She tried working within the framework of the system, and went she marched off on her own, they dubbed her a 'diva' a whackjob,
remember that. Romney was similarly ground
down by a less toxic cloud of lies, back in '94, as was Jeb Bush. The fact that they leaked the opinion of the Trust Fund, was possibly the final straw. I don't need to bring up again, how the ethics law was so identified with her, that she could not
move forward. Pofarmer has illustrated how
this works on a minor level in Missouri.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

You do realize, don't you Gregory, that to defend against all these bogus complaints and provide all the FOIA requests (1 required over 24,000 documents) she had racked up $500,000 worth of legal bills personally and it was costing the state millions. So there was the money thing that was only getting worse with every day after she returned to Alaska. She was so hamstrung in time taking care of all the requests, she barely had time to get any real work done and her staff was pulling their hair out.

She did the right thing for the people of her State. She had accomplished the three goals she had promised she would including the gasline deal and the last year of her term would have been ineffective. This way Parnell gets to be the incumbent and continue her policies.

What she did is sucker punch her opponents and walked away in a position of more power than she had as Governor in the sense that now she can speak out and be a leader rather than be muzzled for another year as Governor while the opposition kept trashing her with no answer back.

You make a very big mistake in underestimating this woman.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Also, due to a quirk in the Alaska constitution, anyone from anywhere in the world can file an ethics complaint for free. So these people invest nothing, while she has to pay lawyers and staff to fight each one.

It isn't a law that a Governor can just change because she wants to, BTW.

BR

"It just seems like an awful lot of people who were not committed to Mccain winning, worked for him."

Posted by: Pagar | November 19, 2009 at 04:43 PM

Re whether Obama money paid those McCain people - very good point!

BR

Re WaPo [and the rest of the MSM] appearing to be having a catharsis or *rethinking or revelation about how wrong they've been:

"...they always will be, part of the group that wanted the fool elected president based on how cool he was."

Posted by: Sue | November 19, 2009 at 05:37 PM

I love it, Sue! Show No Mercy :)

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*I was looking for the right word to convey my concept and in the search I came across this gem: "Rethink is the largest severe mental illness charity in the UK. As of 2 July 2002 'Rethink' is the new operating name for the National Schizophrenia Fellowship."

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