Medal Of Honor, Medal Of Freedom - How Soon They Forget

This is one for the "Are you kidding me" file, and probably merits supplemental expletives - in the course of his utterly inappropriate "shout-out" to Joe Medicine Crow prior to addressing the nation about the Fort Hood shootings, Obama flubbed the medal won by Dr. Medicine Crow.  Newsbusters has the shout-out and more:

I want to thank my Cabinet members and senior administration officials who participated today. I hear that Dr. Joe Medicine Crow (ph) was around, and so I want to give a shout out to that Congressional Medal of Honor winner. It's good to see you.

Sweet jiminy - it was only last August that Dr. Crow was presented with the Presidential Medal of Freedom by Obama himself, who had this to say:

THE PRESIDENT: There are many honors and privileges bestowed on the occupant of this house, but few mean as much to me as the chance to award America's highest civilian medal to the recipients that are here today. This is a chance for me -- and for the United States of America -- to say thank you to some of the finest citizens of this country, and of all countries.

Few honors mean as much to Obama as the Medal of Freedom - I guess the Medal of Honor is one of the few, the proud.

Lest you wonder, Obama mentioned Dr. Medicine Crow by name nearly three long months ago:

Born just a generation past the Battle of the Little Big Horn, a grandson of a scout for General Custer himself, Dr. Joseph Medicine Crow was the first member of his tribe to attend college and earn a Master's. Before completing his PhD, he left to serve in World War II. Wearing war paint beneath his uniform, and a sacred feather beneath his helmet, Joseph Medicine Crow completed the four battlefield deeds that made him the last Crow war chief. Historian, educator, and patriot -- a good man, a bacheitche in Crow -- Dr. Medicine Crow's life reflects not only the warrior spirit of the Crow people, but America's highest ideals.

This is not a mistake the TOTUS would have made.  However, I infer that Obama took the stage prior to commenting on the Fort Hood situation with roughly zero preparation.  Maybe next time he won't just wing it.  And as Newsbusters notes, if Bush had been this inappropriate and poorly prepared we would have heard of nothing else.

Comments

[Jim]

I wonder if cnn will play this and point out o's error like they did boener's constitutional error.

Eh, no....

[Rick Ballard]

Set your expectations for a Kendonesian commie with very modest intellectual ability and you'll rarely be disappointed. His performance as President really is slightly better than his bowling or biking performances would have led one to expect. It's just a shame that norms for the position have not as yet been dropped to the point where he could really shine.

[centralcal]

His performance as President really is slightly better than his bowling or biking performances would have led one to expect.

Boy, did I laugh out loud at that comment, Rick!

Over at the Corner they say that George and Laura Bush visited with the wounded and their families at Ft. Hood. W is a compassionate man and I am sure the families were honored.

[BelieveWatUwant]

Obama, ahead, looks set to destroy his own party.

The better question is "where's his bunker?" Remember this, hitler was considered smarter, and he ended his days distraught. Surrounded by those who loved him. And, ALL of germany's reputation.

Obama's not carrying America's reputation with him! Instead, he's energized the opposition.

Turns out the media midgets actually do him more harms than good. And, Obama's not the first Black man to come along who is below par. That 'standard' actually fits Thurgood Marshall. Americans, by and large, take this all in, in stride.

[clarice]

Absence just made your wit grow sharper, Rick.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Here's the GWB story.

Rick, what's a "Kendonesian"?

[Rick Ballard]

Charlie,

Piss off.

[narciso]

Obama's attitudes are more in line with his father's native Kenya under the Kenyatta administration, where the latter complained
about the slow pace of socialism, and the land of his step father, Indonesia, with the
residue of Sukarno's neutralism. He found analogs in Ayer, Wright, Khalidi, et al, but it is what it is.

[narciso]

BTW, Charlie I took exception but I held my tongue, when you suggested that flagging someone like Hasan for his religion, was akin to identifying all Cubans with Fidel
or Che (who was Argentine). No it's more like the Dallas head of Obama's campaign,
flying the Guevara pendant. Or Mark Lloyd
speaking of Chavez's 'wonderful democratic revolution. So the Luby's cafeteria shooter
is to typify all Christians, no he's a thug
plain and simple, like James Huberty,back in 1985, or the vile Menendez brothers,

[PD]

So the Luby's cafeteria shooter is to typify all Christians

Actually, it wasn't to typify *any* Christians. If I remember correctly, that thread didn't establish anything about his religion, if he had one.

There was a vast gulf between premises and conclusion.

[narciso]

I understand that. PD, that was the category
error he was suggesting.

[gobnait]

Beg pardon, but wouldn't Mr. Obama technically be a Caucakendonesian commie?

[Jane]

Absence just made your wit grow sharper, Rick.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

[Donald]

1/2 black Mr. Obama is such an utter disaster that he's gonna kinda kill for the brothers, the office of pezzident for about the next 5 generations.

[anduril]

I'll be interested to see what effect these last few days will have on the polls. Recall what happened in the wake of Obama's "stupid cop" remarks. His performance re Fort Hood has been revelatory, even for most of us, I suspect.

[matt]

good morning;

did anyone notice Dear Leader's apology to the Indian nations during that same speech? This a hole has apologized to everyone except the American people to date.

[matt]

actually, technically, Obama is a caunegrokendonesian

[Rick Ballard]

gobnait,

I suppose Kenkandonesian (commie on both sides) would be more accurate but it departs from the Presidents "I'm not like you" mantra. He's the one with the Roots fixation (according to Ayers' book), so we need to abide by his rules.

[clarice]

Wait till more people realize he went to Camp David instead of Ft Hood this weekend.

[Ignatz]

--Charlie,

Piss off.--

After reading back through the threads to discover that my saintly wife (who was raised a Lutheran) is in some unclear way analagous to certain followers of the religion of peace recently in the headlines, I'd like to say I concur with RB's sentiment.

--Beg pardon, but wouldn't Mr. Obama technically be a Caucakendonesian commie?--

Even more technically I believe it would be Caucaheadkendonesian commie.

[anduril]

well, they say that narcissists feel no empathy toward others. that was apparent in obama's abortion voting record, but this episode is, as i said before, truly revelatory. the whole thing, from the presser, through the saturday a.m. address to fort david.

[caro]

Did he already leave for Camp David. That would be good news. I thought he was going to be whipping up votes threatening blue dogs in congress today.

[caro]

Even more technically I believe it would be Caucaheadkendonesian commie.
Now, Iggie, that is dangerously close to Macaucaheadkendonesian.

[anduril]

apparently dover afb wasn't too far out of his way and the photo-op didn't impinge on his weekend plans.

and how telling is it that there is apparently no one in the WH who is able to persuade the Messiah to even act like a normal human being?

or to whom it even occurred to suggest that he act like a normal human being?

[GUS]

The Ft Hood shooter specifically invoked ALLAH before he shot 43 Americans.

Sorry jugears Obama, I've drawn the correct conclusion.

[datechguy]

Je Medicine Crow served honorably in the US Army and is a great story. Certainly he is a man worthy of honor and respect.

He is rightly named as a fine example of the American Ideal and president Obama is right to cite him as such.

I am not surprised that the president doesn't know the difference between a fine American Veteran and a man who has earned the Medal of Honor. Considering his background and his interests why would we expect otherwise?

By all means tweak this president for his ignorance, but lets give a shout out to Joe Medicine Crow as a proud American Combat vet and a credit to his country and his name. This mistake is not his.

[centralcal]

anduril, I don't think he surrounds himself with "normal" human beings - nor does Michelle.

[matt]

This guys tin ear is scary.

Hillary was right with her 3:00AM ad during the campaign. LUN

[Frau Vollkorn]

W is a compassionate man and I am sure the families were honored.
As we know, Dubya is an *honorable* man. And, yes, how proud I am that he was my president.

narciso - thanks for the link with the Silver Springs/Saudi information. How can Islam ever undergo a reformation?

[anduril]

centralcal, as i just remarked to my wife, it's not that i'm surprised at any of this, but it still shocks me. i would've expected sheer political cunning to win out over this display of disdain for the country and his own constitutional office. he does hate america.

off to rake leaves. anyone interested in linux, distrowatch is a good place to start.

[clarice]

Jo Medicine Crow is a great American but you'd have to show me where anyone here said he wasn't. Or where the focus was on anything but Obama's behavior.

[peter]

Hi, everyone, I thought I would stop by and say hello. I heard about this latest flub while listening to a local right wing radio host (and really not that good a host, either) Steve Malzberg. As Steve pointed out, a Congressional Medal of Honor may only be given to a member of the military, while the Presidential Medal of Honor is for civilians. Underscores Zero's complete lack of appreciation for the military.
One year down, three to go.
Going outside now to run two and a half miles as training for a Thanksgiving Day race. Peace out, everyone, and prayers to the families of the Fort Hood victims of the jihad.

[Jane]

and how telling is it that there is apparently no one in the WH who is able to persuade the Messiah to even act like a normal human being?

or to whom it even occurred to suggest that he act like a normal human being?

Ya gotta understand this about a narcissist: He believes that whatever he feels, is being felt by everyone else, and anyone who doesn't take it (whatever he does) the way he wants it taken, is making things up. So there is no telling him anything.

[clarice]

Hi, Peter..(This is like the Hotel California, isn't it? You can't ever really leave.)

[centralcal]

anduril - it shocks me too. Actually, just about everything Obama says and does shocks me.

[Frau Vollkorn]

Years ago on a trip down the Danube, my husband and I were talking to the Austrians on board. During WWII, my husband had been evacuated as a wee lad from his German/Dutch border hometown of Wesel to a small village outside Salzburg, Austria. During our long conversation, the subject of Onkel Adolf came up. One of the Austrians smiled wickedly and said to my husband, "We sure sent a "good" one over to you(Germans), didn't we?" Now I continue to wonder who sent us Barry.

[clarice]

"A US presidential aide says the auxiliary troops, Washington is likely to deploy to Afghanistan, would be consumed by the volatile situation in the war-torn country. President Barack Obama's national security adviser, James Jones, said, "You can keep on putting troops in, and you could have 200,000 troops there and Afghanistan will swallow them up as it has done in the past," Der Spiegel reported"

[Ignatz]

--"We sure sent a "good" one over to you(Germans), didn't we?"--

I think I mentioned this before Frau, but some wag once described the Austrians as the cleverest race on earth;
they somehow have convinced the world Hitler was a German and Beethoven was an Austrian.

[Janet]

matt - here is JM Hanes post from the "More on Ft. Hood" thread about the speech given at Interior...

((If anybody is wondering just how dead to rights you've got the Prez, here's the usual mix n' match from Obama's actual Opening Remarks at the start of the conference yesterday morning:

You know, a couple of summers ago, I had the opportunity to visit the Crow Nation in Montana. And while I was there, I was adopted into the nation by a wonderful couple, Hartford and Mary Black Eagle. I know what they're saying now: "Kids grow up so fast." (Laughter.) Only in America could the adoptive son of Crow Indians grow up to become President of the United States. (Applause.)

It's now been a year since the American people went to the polls and gave me this extraordinary privilege and responsibility. And part of what accounts for the hope people felt on that day, I think, was a sense that we had an opportunity to change the way Washington worked; a chance to make our federal government the servant not of special interests, but of the American people. It was a sense that we had an opportunity to bring about meaningful change for those who had for too long been excluded from the American Dream.

And few have been more marginalized and ignored by Washington for as long as Native Americans -- our First Americans.

We know the history that we share. It's a history marked by violence and disease and deprivation. Treaties were violated. Promises were broken. You were told your lands, your religion, your cultures, your languages were not yours to keep. And that's a history that we've got to acknowledge if we are to move forward.

I found myself wondering just how many speeches like this -- or just how many speeches -- Obama has delivered since Gen. McChrystal originally turned in his report, but never mind. The only thing more emblematically Obama than the opener, was the closer:

I get it. I'm on your side. I understand what it means to be an outsider. I was born to a teenage mother. My father left when I was two years old, leaving her -- my mother and my grandparents to raise me. We didn't have much. We moved around a lot. So even though our experiences are different, I understand what it means to be on the outside looking in. I know what it means to feel ignored and forgotten, and what it means to struggle. So you will not be forgotten as long as I'm in this White House. (Applause.) All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

The afternoon presser was his second appearance of the day.

Posted by: JM Hanes | November 06, 2009 at 07:30 PM ))

[hit and run]

Frau:
Years ago on a trip down the Danube, my husband and I were talking to the Austrians on board.

Ah, Austrian,such a lovely language. But I don't know what the term is in Austrian for wheeling and dealing.

[Mustang0302]

Rick, what's a "Kendonesian"?

Charlie, what's a "National SociaLutheran?"

BTW, got a link to document George Jo Hennard was a Christian (other than him being a typical white person)?

[Sue]

I did a quick google last night of George Jo Hennard. He was born in Pennsylvania. I think that disqualifies him for automatic entry into heaven. I'm still checking the fine print.

[centralcal]

they somehow have convinced the world Hitler was a German and Beethoven was an Austrian

heh, Ignatz!

[Frau Vollkorn]

Luckily, I had taken along my Babel fish ("stick it in your ear") to make the Austrian to German translations.

The term in Austrian for wheeling and dealing =
Arnold Schwarzenegger.

[Mustang0302]

Sue,

If he's from Philly, he's toast for sure.

[Sue]

Frau,

LOL.

[clarice]

"Major Nidal Malik Hasan worshipped at a mosque led by a radical imam said to be a "spiritual adviser" to three of the hijackers who attacked America on Sept 11, 2001. Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11 terrorists, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt. " LUN

[hit and run]

Fahrvergnügen!

[Mustang0302]

"Major Nidal Malik Hasan worshipped at a mosque led by a radical imam said to be a "spiritual adviser" to three of the hijackers who attacked America on Sept 11, 2001.

I'm sure it was his "humanitarian qualities" that led him to medicine instead of flight school.

[centralcal]

Very interesting, Clarice.

[clarice]

Why do we have to get this information from the UK Telegraph and not from the Washington Post which is minutes away from there and who editors published one of those PTSD, don't rush to judgement pablum cut and paste editorials today?

[Captain Hate]

The UK papers have done a more thorough job of covering all our domestic events going back to Il Douche's campaign (the official campaign a little over a year ago; not the subsequent one that he's continued since then). Most of our US papers are suitable only for housetraining puppies.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

An here he is just hours before the masacre: Video

[anduril]

picked this up at FR. quoting it all cuz it's red meat:

BBC: Ft Hood mosque member defends shootings: "I honestly have no pity for them."
Jawa Report ^ | November 7, 2009 | Barbarossa

Posted on Sat Nov 7 15:32:17 2009 by La Lydia

BBC interview by Gavin Lee with a member of the Killeen, Texas mosque outside Ft Hood, the Islamic Community Center of Greater Killeen, where Malik Nidal Hasan was currently attending. In the interview, http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00nrvhp#p0051bjj mosque member "Duane" not only refuses to condemn Hasan, but justifies their murder because "they were troops who were going to Afghanistan and Iraq to kill Muslims".

Duane : "I'm not going to condemn him for what he did. I don't know why he did it. I will not, absolutely not, condemn him for what he had done though. If he had done it for selfish reasons I still will not condemn him. He's my brother in the end. I will never condemn him."

Gavin Lee : There might be a lot of people shocked to hear you say that.

Duane: "Well, that's the way it is. I don't speak for the community here but me personally I will not condemn him."

Gavin Lee : What are your thoughts towards those that were victims in this?

Duane : "They were, in the end, they were troops who were going to Afghanistan and Iraq to kill Muslims. I honestly have no pity for them. It's just like the majority of the people that will hear this, after five or six minutes they'll be shocked, after that they'll forget about them and go on their day."

Over at Biased BBC they wonder whether this is the same Duane Reasoner quoted today by the New York Times:

Duane Reasoner Jr., an 18-year-old substitute teacher whose parents worked at Fort Hood, said Major Hassan was told he would be sent to Afghanistan on Nov. 28, and he did not like it.

“He said he should quit the Army,” Mr. Reasoner said. “In the Koran, you’re not supposed to have alliances with Jews or Christian or others, and if you are killed in the military fighting against Muslims, you will go to hell.”

Reasoner was also interviewed by Stars & Stripes:

Just last week, Hasan expressed views that Muslims shouldn't serve in the military and fight other Muslims, according to Duane Reasoner Jr., a recent Muslim convert who had been having dinner regularly with Hasan.

Hasan had taken 18-year-old Reasoner under his wing, mentoring him in his new faith. After evening prayers he would often buy a fish dinner for Reasoner and sometimes the iman at the Golden Corral, a chain buffet restaurant. Besides mentioning that he prayed for a wife, the conversation almost never strayed from religion, Reasoner said, describing Hasan as warm and caring.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

This is posted at Ace's. Do you think our 8th graders college grads could pass this test today? I seriously doubt it.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

It would help, I guess, if I gave the link:

A 1954 vintage 8th grade test. Would you pass?

[Mustang0302]

Aw. Maj Hasan and his "youthful ward," Duane.

"For children, women. For pleasure, boys. For ecstasy, goats."

Such a lovely culture.

[anduril]

read my mind, Mustang.

[clarice]

After getting the benefit of a half million dollars worth of education and training it suddeny occurred to Hasan that being in the US Army put him in a forbidden alliance with Christians and Jews?Did he cheat on the medical exams or have they gotten a lot easier?

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Did he cheat on the medical exams or have they gotten a lot easier?

Based on the poor performance reviews he had at Walter Reed, I choose cheated.

[caro]

A warm and caring 39 yo doctor can't find a wife?

[Frau Vollkorn]

Hit - Gesundheit!

[centralcal]

Yeah, Caro - emphasis on the "warm and caring," huh?

And, uh - Duane Reasoner, Jr. would be substitute teaching where exactly????

[narciso]

Duane Reasoner, not Faruq al Sherazi, or some such, can't take him seriously, for showing more cluelessness than usual.
Reminds me too much of Duane T. Robinson, the LAPD commander in "Die Hard" who flubbed
the siege at Nakatomi.

[Mustang0302]

A warm and caring 39 yo doctor can't find a wife?

Must have been the uniform. That, and his "requirements."

[Rick Ballard]

Clarice,

Come now, don't you think that the tolerance shown by all who have dealt softly with this magnificent example of taquiya in action is worthy of praise? Surely his successs will be a beacon to all muslims feigning moderation in the hope of placing themselves in a position where they may most fully express the will of allah as expressed by the prophet.

[Mustang0302]

"warm and caring"

Well, he wouldn't want to waste those qualities on a mere woman, would he?

He was looking for a wife according to his charming cultural values, not nature's.

[Frau Vollkorn]

Our local newspaper revealed that Hasan had attended Barstow Community College (CA) classes spring 1989 to spring 1990. "He was a straight-A student on the dean's list. He took six classes --all basic courses -- and earned 19 credits. Transcript says he was an enlisted man, an E-3, at Fort Irwin, but Army records on him end at 1995."

Someone better keep an eye on young Duane. And keep him out of all classrooms. It's bad enough with "Typhoid Billy" Ayer's social justice graduates.

[clarice]

Maybe if we set up an organization GAY MUSLEM MEN or something encouraging them to come out of the closet instead of martyring themselves by killing us to expiate their guilt...

[PD]

(other than him being a typical white person)?

I haven't found anything establishing even that he was white, black, or whatever. Have you?

[Danube of Thought]

Final score: Navy 23, Notre Dame 21.

I'm declaring this a national holiday.

[PD]

re: that 1954 8th-grade test. Nowadays it would be much harder because you'd have to name all the czars.

[Jerry kelly]

My Pet Goat....Checkmate patriots

Bush killed or wounded 20,000 American troops when he attacked the wrong country.

[hit and run]

DoT

Final score: Navy 23, Notre Dame 21.

I'm declaring this a national holiday.

I'm the last person in need of a cause for which to drink.

But I'll be the first to claim one!

[clarice]

DoT--I'm happy you're happy.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Did any of you just watch the Breeders Cup Classic. What a race. What a horse. Zenyata, a fily, first to win this race, only 4th fily ever to run in it. A magnificent horse. Wow, just wow!

[Jim Ryan]

Jerry, isn't Maddow is on? Then Garafalo. Have a pen and paper for Garafalo - I think she's got Michael Moore tonight.

[bad]

Don't bother, Jim. Jerry probably can't turn on a TV...

[narciso]

You don't catch the full stupidity of Duane
Reasoner's remarks, until you hear them in his voice. Even if that was what hebelieved,
he's not the sharpest tack in the glove compartment.

[narciso]

Maddow, the Rhodes Scholar who doesn't know there is a preamble in the Constitution, much like Huckabee who made the point earlier that few Presidents have had their parties hold the office for more than one term, except for the last, the one before
and so on. Wile E Maddow, super genius

[Captain Hate]

That was a very satisfying game DoT; Navy has played well all season since Ohio State was *very* fortunate to get by them.

[Mustang0302]

I haven't found anything establishing even that he was white, black, or whatever. Have you?

Dearly Departed George.

RIH.

[Mustang0302]

Jerry-boy skipped right past women and boys to ecstasy.

His "pet" goat.

Riiight, Jerry-boy.

[bad]

Jerry-boy skipped right past women and boys to ecstasy.

His "pet" goat.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

[Mustang0302]

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

I wonder if the goat ever gets sick of the smell?

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Now here is a headline I wasn't expecting:

Hundreds Of Blacks March On WH: "Obama Is White Power In Black Face"

[azlibertarian]

I would think that a Commander-in-Chief--even someone with roots as a community organizer-- once he had been given the honor to give out a Congressional Medal of Honor, would know that the MOH is not "won", but rather "awarded". Incorrectly calling Medicine Crow's award the "Medal of Honor" vice the "Medal of Freedom" was not Zero's only error in that sentence.

[matt]

the closet Western analogy to Muslim fundamentalism is a Jim Jones or Branch Davidian cult. I believe we should start treating them that way. These people are clearly disturbed.

And yet in reading the Koran, those passages do exist. One of my interests is comparative religion. I looking at the commonality of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism, I was deeply disturbed by the violent and aggressive passages of the Koran. Mohammed's own history was one of violence and banditry.

So are peaceful members of the Ummah an abberation or are they in compliance with the Koran? After all, Jihad is an obligation.

[matt]

closest, closest, damit.

[hit and run]

Sara:
Now here is a headline I wasn't expecting:

Hundreds Of Blacks March On WH: "Obama Is White Power In Black Face"

Memory Lane...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/19/protesters-interrupt-obama/>CNN, Sept 19, 2008

(CNN) - Barack Obama's campaign rally in Coral Gables, Florida Friday was interrupted by a group of about 10 African-American protesters holding signs that called themselves, "Blacks Against Obama."

The signs said Obama was for gay marriage and abortion, and said his candidacy was "endorsed by the KKK." Another sign said, "Jesse Jackson hates Obama."

Obama originally said the protesters could stay inside the event, but they were escorted out when they would not stop shouting.

[PD]

Another sign said, "Jesse Jackson hates Obama."

What is that supposed to mean?

[hit and run]

PD, Jesse http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/09/jesse-jackson-disses-obama-on-race/>wanted to cut Obama's nuts off (not to mention being a http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CAkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msnbc.msn.com%2Fid%2F21340764%2F&ei=lzX2StxjqrPxBrC80foN&usg=AFQjCNGJZN36bnIg1ZsREamncTPVjHVELA&sig2=KyJrd8YLhsQCRc9JmFSBRQ>Cheney cousin!)

By September,that was largely bygones for Jackson,if those folks hadn't received the message.

[MayBee]

Another sign said, "Jesse Jackson hates Obama."

What is that supposed to mean?

And how are we supposed to process that? Overload! Overload!

[PD]

Oh, yeah. That's right. Forgot about Jesse's little bout of honesty.

[E. Nigma]

BHO is spoiling the Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton shakedown by placing it all on a higher level of play. Of course they would both hate him. It's not like he's really genuine and "down with the struggle".

If one thing has been accomplished in the last 10 years, is that a great many Americans have a real knowledge of Islam now, both soldiers that have served in Iraq and Afghanistan, and people that have educated themselves as to what it really means.

And I think that some people in America are at last starting to understand what it really means.