A Small Serving Of Crow From The Times To Obama

The Times served up (on page 8 of the Saturday edition) a small serving of crow to Obama:

Similarities to Iraq Surge Plan Mask Risks in Afghanistan
By DAVID E. SANGER

WASHINGTON — President Obama strongly opposed President George W. Bush’s surge in Iraq during his presidential campaign, and even now he has never publicly acknowledged that it was largely successful.

But in the White House Situation Room a little more than a month ago, he told his aides, “It turned out to be a good thing.” And as many of Mr. Obama’s own advisers have recounted in recent days in interviews, the decision on the surge of 30,000 troops to Afghanistan by next summer was at least partly inspired by the success of the effort in Iraq, which Mr. Bush’s aides say is their best hope that historians will give them some credit when the history of a highly problematic war is written.

In fact, Iraq analogies have been flying back and forth so furiously in recent days that Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates, the only holdover from the Bush-era cabinet, told Congress, “This is the second surge I’ve been up here defending.”

If the President wants to reduce partisan rancor and regain the national unity we felt after 9/11, publicly  acknowledging the rare successes of his predecessor might make a start.

In any case, by Sunday the Times was back on their perch cooing at Obama.  Their front page story by Peter Baker is headlined on the web as "How Obama Came to Plan for ‘Surge’ in Afghanistan" but apparently that "Surge" parallel was too concise for the Dead Tree edition - the headline there (one day link) is "Inside the Situation Room - How a War Plan Evolved" with a subhead of "Advisers Detail Obama's Decisive Moment in a Tense Decision On Afghanistan".

And in the body of the story, way down, the Iraq surge analogy is discussed and dismissed:

He turned to General Petraeus and asked him how long it took to get the so-called surge troops he commanded in Iraq in 2007. That was six months.

“What I’m looking for is a surge,” Mr. Obama said. “This has to be a surge.”

That represented a contrast from when Mr. Obama, as a presidential candidate, staunchly opposed President Bush’s buildup in Iraq. But unlike Mr. Bush, Mr. Obama wanted from the start to speed up a withdrawal as well. The military was told to come up with a plan to send troops quickly and then begin bringing them home quickly.

Uh huh.  This is totally different from Bush's surge because Bush didn't include a phony, cosmetic nod to the anti-war left.  I wonder whether even the Times editors believe this.

Although Bush did not offer a phony public deadline, his January 2007 Surge Speech did include this:

I have made it clear to the prime minister and Iraq's other leaders that America's commitment is not open-ended. If the Iraqi government does not follow through on its promises, it will lose the support of the American people - and it will lose the support of the Iraqi people. Now is the time to act.

No blank check, as Obama so cleverly put it.

Comments

[Jane]

It was odd to see Bob Schieffer ask tough questions of Gates and Clinton this morning. What a difference it makes when the "reporter" is opposed to the position being taken by the administration.

[hit and run]

When Obama was castigating President Bush over the Iraq surge,few would have foreseen that America would be led by the first President of African descent who would preside of the surge of troops in Afghanistan.

Unprecedented,really.

[Captain Hate]

Jane, I wish I would've watched that instead of Dick Durbin being an idiot on FNS.

[narciso]

Well assuming that Durbin will not be an idiot, is just the definition of insanity.

[Captain Hate]

True narciso; Georgetown must be so proud to see their trademark on that buffoon.

[Jane]

I saw Durbin too, and agree he was an idiot. I have all I can do to not throw my shoes at the TV.

[narciso]

As a Jesuit educated fellow at the secondary
fellow, all I can say is 'facepalm'

[narciso]

This is the newest story on the Climate gate breach, in the LUN

[daddy]

"He turned to General Petraeus and asked him how long it took to get the so-called surge troops he commanded in Iraq in 2007."

How come this question wasn't "withering"?

It was to General Petraeus right?
It was about Afghan Troop levels and troop strategy right?

So where's the "withering"?

Ain't Afghan questions the height of "withering"?

Bah, I want my "withering" heights.

[PD]

If the President wants to reduce partisan rancor and regain the national unity we felt after 9/11, publicly acknowledging the rare successes of his predecessor might make a start.

That act of generosity might cause those on the right to be slightly more kindly disposed to him, but those on the left would rise up even more enraged than ever. If that is possible.

So: No net reduction in rancor.

[clarice]

Satellite temp measures: No global warming(Rigged) computer models vs. real measurements.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/the-end-of-global-warming-a-summary

[daddy]

FYI

The mission of the 1840-1843 Ross Expedition I was reading about last week, where the guys spent New Year's Eve 1841 building Ice saloons and holding a Circus and Ball on the Antarctic Ice, was partially to establish a system of temperature monitors around the southern part of the world; New Zealand, Australia, Tasmania, and I think Kerguelein Island and the Falklands.

Have no idea if that data still exists.

[Steve]

Thank you for posting this! I wish everyone could read it...

Common Cents
http://www.commoncts.blogspot.com

[bgates]

the rare successes of his predecessor

"rare" compared to what?

[The Unbeliever]

"rare" compared to what?

Good question. I maintain that Bush II's predecessor, Saint Bill, had exactly three successes in his 8 years:

(1) NAFTA
(2) Welfare reform (partial credit w/GOP Congress)
(3) Giving the nation a taste of Hillary Clinton, thus ensuring she would never be elected as President in the future.

[Johnny Ancich]

Easy explanation why Tiger Woods had an affair (or two, or 3, or 4...)
http://pastexpiry.blogspot.com/2009/12/cartoon-why-tiger-woods-had-affair.html

New meaning to the 18th hole.
http://pastexpiry.blogspot.com/2009/12/cartoon-tiger-woods-scandal.html

[centralcal]

Over at Powerline they have an interesting poll done by Rasmussen.

The only thing less popular than Paul Krugman is the New York Times

Friedman, Brooks, MoDo - you could change out the name Krugman and get exactly the same result.

[Neo]

Yesterday we got copied on this message Schlesinger sent to New York Times science reporter Andy Revkin:

Andy:
Copenhagen prostitutes?
Climate prostitutes?
Shame on you for this gutter reportage. [Emphasis added.]
This is the second time this week I have written you thereon, the first about giving space in your blog to the Pielkes.
The vibe that I am getting from here, there and everywhere is that your reportage is very worrisome to most climate scientists.
Of course, your blog is your blog.
But, I sense that you are about to experience the ‘Big Cutoff’ from those of us who believe we can no longer trust you, me included. [Emphasis added.]
Copenhagen prostitutes?
Unbelievable and unacceptable.
What are you doing and why?
Michael

Any questions why the MSM has been so quiet ?

[daddy]

"rare" compared to what?

Quit asking such "withering" questions bgates.

That's only allowed by the Prez.

[Terrye]

I would not say Bush's successes were so rare. Obama on the other hand....

[Jim Ryan]

Visited Yorktown Victory Center today. It's a large Revolutionary War museum plus a reconstructed army encampment with three or four people in uniform chatting with you and firing muskets and cannon for you. The shop has lots of educational items.

Excellent!

[Extraneus]

Steven Hayward: Climate Scientist to [NYT science reporter Andrew] Revkin: "we can no longer trust you" to carry water for us.

How is it possible for a group of smart people to write over 1,000 e-mails over the course of a decade without a single shred of wit or humor in any of them? There isn't the tiniest hint anywhere that any of these guys ever grin. It jives with my experience of environmentalists for 20 years now that they are the single most humorless slice of humanity on the planet.

[Old Lurker]

Progs are not happy people, Ext.

[Extraneus]

No, they apparently aren't. I often marvel at the fact that they don't even have humorous cartoonists, as any comparison with their conservative counterparts will show. Invariably, even after gaining total control of all branches of gov't, their attempts at humor are *always* just bitter, and never funny.

[daddy]

Jim,

That Yorktown Center is great. Hope you had some kids with you to share it with, and got to see the house near by with the cannonball still embedded in the bricks. We really enjoyed that visit.

[matt]

you see, the real issue is that the Moron in Chief is more akin to a skeezy TV lawyer talking out of both sides of his mouth who thinks he has a "heads I win, tails I win" strategy worked out.

He hasn't figured out yet that anyone with half a brain has caught on to his game, including many of his supporters. He thinks he can bamboozle us all into the unicorn and ponies for everyone make believe future he has planned.

Except we are now seeing him and his staff and his buddies in Congress stealing the White House silverware and loading it into the backs of their '67 Impalas...

[Jim Ryan]

Daddy,

You kiddin'? My homeschooler eight-year-old has been spending the entire semester on the Revolutionary War. There was great educational stuff (books, games, maps, posters) at the museum store. My five-year-old had a great time, too.

Didn't see the cannonball in the wall, but I'll be dollars to doughnuts you're thinking of the cannonball embedded in the wall in Lewes, DE during the War of 1812. I saw that one two years ago. It's about knee high. It's the only ball that reached the town, the town being set well back from the beach.

[DFS]

Theng.

[daddy]

Jim,

It's the Nelson House just up the street. Here's a ">http://www.franksamericana.com/yorktown.htm"> Link.

If you click on the small picture to the left you get a good shot of the cannonball embedded in the bricks between the 2 top windows.

I believe I recall that Nelson was sort of a Mayor of the town and knew enemy troops were initially billeted in the house, but he told the gunners to fire away anyhow regardless of the probable loss of his house. At least thats the story they told us.

Very glad you've got an eager 8 year old with a excellent brain and great parents. My weasels really did get immersed and fall in love with the Yorktown Battle Site.

[daddy]

This will be longwinded and on the OT topic of AGW.

In my reading today I came upon something of very interesting parallel to what we are seeing today with this AGW Climate movement.

It is from ">http://www.amazon.com/Darwins-Armada-Voyages-Battle-Evolution/dp/0393068145/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1260172952&sr=8-1"> Darwin's Armada, a very interesting pro-Darwin history of the 4 voyages of the 4 men who made the Evolution Revolution; Darwin, Hooker, Huxley and Wallace.

I don't want to get into any specifics or back and forth arguing about Darwinism, whatever your opinion, but simply want to lay this out there as to the "mechanics" of how a small, very tight and very trustworthy coterie of 9 pro-Evolution scientists in 1860's London, led by Hooker and Huxley, were able to move the concept of Evolution from nowhere to ascendency in 7 short years. This, excerpted from pages 355 to 359, is how they did it.

Shortly after the publication of Origin of species, Huxley and Hooker formed a nine member dining group, called the X Clubbers. "They would meet at 6... on the first Thursday of each month...then stroll around the corner to the meeting of the Royal Society, where all but one were members."

..."the bond that united us was devotion to science. He meant science as a profession open to merit; science as a naturalist practice free from theological entanglement; science as a means of social, moral and national regeneration; science as a synecdoche for Darwinism."

"Huxley claimed the men covered enough of the key scientific fields to make an encyclopedia. Hooker...had earlier thought about forming such an organization, but nothing had come of it. Since then, however, a war over (Darwin's 1859 book, The Origin of Species) had broken out."

"The immediate incentive for founding the X Club...came from Hooker's and Huxley's recent difficulties in trying to get Darwin awarded...the Royal Society's highest honour...This year (1864), under the subtle leadership of Hooker (and X-clubber Busk) they'd succeeded...though the citation made no mention of "Origin of Species."

"Huxley was livid at the book's exclusion, and bulldog-like, he hounded the secretary until it was included in the published proceedings. But the experience had shaken him: informal action was clearly not enough. Planned cohesion was needed if the larger war was to be won. And so the X Club was born."

"It's rapid success came from being a flexible, multipurpose, tightly knit body. Historian Ray Macleod has called it...'an open conspiracy'. Huxley thought of it as 'a scientific caucus or ring'."

"The X'ers made friendship a machine of war, and harnessed its energy to storm and infiltrate the fortresses of science...They were a meritocratic 'conspiracy'. each member boasting real talents, and credentials... Collectively they were unstoppable. They nominated each other for awards, refered each other for jobs, published each other's work, sponsored each other's lecture tours, awarded each other grants, and circulated each other's achievements. Their honours list tells the story. Over the next two decades, five X Clubbers received the Royal Medal of the Royal Society, three the Copley Medal, one the Rumford Medal. Six were presidents of the British Association for the Advancement of Science, three were associates of the Institute of France, and three---Hooker, Spottiswoode and Huxley---served as presidents of the Royal Society, between 1873 and 1885. With the exception of (1 X Club member), they all rotated through other influential positions in the society---secretary, foreign secretary and treasurer. Over the same period the number of clergy elected to the society fell from eight to 5 percent."

"The Xer's also founded or dominated major scientific journals. Huxley made the "Reader" 'an organ' of the Darwinists from 1863, and in November 1869 co-founded "Nature", which became one of the most prestigious journals in the world. Seven members of the X Club published at least one article in its opening issues of 1869-70."

"Five years after the difficulties over Darwin's award of the Copley Medal, the Xer's were easily able to secure a Royal Medal for maverick Alfred Wallace (co-founder with Darwin of the Theory of Evolution via Natural Selection). Hooker raised the issue of Wallace's nomination, Huxley and Hooker lobbied members for support, Darwin wrote a reference praising...and Huxley made the formal nomination. On 30 Nov 1868 Wallace was awarded the equivalent of a scientific knighthood..."

"The Xer's also realised that in order to substantiate Darwinian evolution and turn Victorian Britain into a scientific society, they had to go beyond the institutions of scoence. They set out to gain access to every major establishment of national power---government, parliament, universities, schools, the Admiralty, the arts, the Church."

"The last, in particular, was critical. One of their shrewdest, and often underappreciated, achievements was to ally themselves with liberal Anglican clergymen who were engaged in their own war to purge militant Tories...from the Chirch. These allies included...all of who wined, dined and plotted with the X'ers to promote science in schools, appoint liberal clerics to universities, and resist the inquisitional attacks of Church Tories."

"...Huxley even contrived a respectable philosophical position for sceptically minded X'ers. It enabled him, as Lenin later quipped, 'to hide his materialism under a figleaf'. Elected to the illustrious Metaphysical Society in 1869, where he mixed with religious dignitaries of every stamp, Huxley coined the term 'agnostic' for philospohical neutrals...With a sigh of relief, secular minded liberal intellectuals all over the country fitted themselves with agnostic fig leafs."

"The X Club members recieved a boost in their efforts to lobby parliament and government in 1870 with the election of (an X Clubber) now Sir John---as a Liberal Member of Parliament. A colleague of party leader Gladstone, he was able to exercise behind-the-scenes influence to help Hooker, Huxley and the other X'ers...After a tough campaign, in which the X Club lobbied fiercely, (a severe political enemy) was defeated in 1872 and lost his seat in Parliament. (This ensured Hooker's autonomy in running the National Gardens).

"At what point could the Darwinists declare the invasion over, the battle won? Social revolutions rarely have neat concluding dates...However within...Victorian Britain, the key battles for acceptance of Darwin's theory were over in a surprisingly short time. Huxley estimated...that victory would take seven years, and his guess was surprisingly close."

The Origin of Species was published in 1859. The original heated debate about the Theory was held in Oxford in 1860. In 1866 "...Hooker addressed an evening meeting of the British Association" using a parable about (himself and Huxley) the Darwinians at that earlier 1860 meeting as being the equivalents of Missionaries preaching a new doctrine of Evolution. Now, "six years later, a meeting of the same group was 'applauding the new creed'. Observers reported that Hooker's missionary analogy was greeted with laughter and thundrous cheers...the language of battle had turned into the language of religious denominationalism. Darwinism was no longer an invasion force, it had become an established 'creed'."

"Huxley's public nicknames tell a similar story. During the 1860's, young scientists called him 'the Captain', while his co-workers and students at the School of Mines dubbed him 'the General'. During the 1870's he became 'Darwin's Bulldog', and then, more significantly, 'Pope Huxley'. By that time he'd achieved a type of papal dominion over science. Every new lecture, article and book of his became an encyclical. His bestseller of 1870 was even titled "Lectures and Lay Sermons". The man once excoriated as the 'Devil's Chaplain' had become a priest of science."

So, sorry for wearing you guys out with that long excerpt but I couldn't link and had to type it. If you got this far I hope I didn't waste your time and definitely don't want to generate any arguments among us pro or con Darwin. But it was the "mechanic's of how they did it that stunned me with its inescapable eerie parallels to what we're witnessing today.

A cabal of fellow traveler AGW scientists intent on establishing their vision over all opposition world wide, and using every means possible to exalt their chosen vision and fellow visionaries, and to silence their opponents via any means within their power. Check.

Completely subserviant Media's and branches of Government willing to support and promote their agenda via all means and grants and taxes possible, and to demonize and stifle opposition to their agenda? Check.

Establishment of, in essence, a New Religious enviro-creed of GAIA for purposes of indoctrinating and accomplishing that agenda? Check.

Controlling the schools and universities and appointments to the same in order to accomplish that agenda? Check.

High Priesthood's of Al Gore etc with Scarifying Hollywood Movies? Check.

And a final mad dash to Copenhagen to enshrine the new orthodoxy via taxes and regulations world wide?

Hopefully not if we can luckily stop the corrupt, power hungry sons of bitches in time.

Apologies for the verbosity. The book BTW is actually a very good read.

[Janet]

Super interesting daddy. Thanks. Another good book along the same lines is Summer For The Gods by Edward Larson. He takes an honest look at the Scopes trial and the subsequent spin. He points out the untruth, and politics of the play Inherit the Wind. Anyway, very interesting about the similar tactics.

[Janet]

LUN is an Am. Thinker article that gives an example of your post daddy! - from the article

So -- guess who was instrumental in getting Donald Kennedy appointed to that plum job at Science magazine? Yes, it was our old friend Paul Ehrlich, the author of The Population Bomb of 1968

The tactics are the same.

[Porchlight]

Good morning JOM! MayBee got a shout out on Time magazine's Swampland blog! Read the whole thing, it's basically about Obama whining to the media, and the update from MayBee shows he's lying, too.

What Barack Obama Really Thinks of the White House Press[scroll down for the update]

UPDATE: Over Twitter, reader MayBeeTweet points out that Obama did not accurately characterize his interviews in Asia. Fox News' Garrett asked both about the jobs bill Obama has proposed and the South Korean trade agreement. NBC's Chuck Todd asked about the jobs summit and Chinese relations on human rights.

He's got the friendliest media in the world, but Barry wants more.

Good for Time for listening to their readers and making corrections. Of course in this case it's a defensive strategy, but still...

[Porchlight]

daddy, thanks for that fascinating excerpt. I wish more people understood that AGW is being driven by very small sets of data and very small sets of people.

[Jim Ryan]

Daddy, thanks. Lewes, DE is worth a visit, btw, if sleepy beach town with embedded cannonball is up your alley.

[Jane]

Our Maybee is famous today. Check out the last paragraph. No wonder Tapper and Rove can't function without her counsel.

[BR]

Have you all seen this - Climaxgate in Copenhagen ?! The comments are hilarious.

Ha, the Mayoress of Copenhagen sent notice to the hotels to restrain the summit attendees and the Sirens of Copenhagen are fighting back :)

[Extraneus]

Thanks for taking the time to type that, daddy. Very interesting. (And if Obama thinks he's going to b.s. MayBee, he's got another thing coming.)

[Extraneus]

From the comments in BR's link:

Jim Carson (07:58:40) :

Here’s something fun:

1) Go to YouTube
2) Type in “hide the”

YouTube will helpfully present you with suggestions on hiding watermelons, pain, the rum or the knife. And it will offer you two suggestions on hiding the fart, depending on whether you wish to make a game of it.

But it will offer you nothing on hiding the decline. This, despite over 350,000 views of Minnesotans For Global Warming’s “Hide The Decline.”

It's true. I tried it. Almost 400,000 hits now.

[Extraneus]

And this is a very good point, too.

JonesII (08:27:30) :

If girls breath too rapidly, when in action, they will be exhaling a lot of CO2. These activities should be banned!

[BR]

Yes, thank you, Daddy!

[pagar]

Another tie-in to the infamous UN and Climategate from Pajamas Media.

"And here’s the beauty of this grand scam. Not only is it based on unsound “findings” with the UN claiming a “consensus” that never was, based on “science” that was something other than scientific.

[clarice]

More from that AT article about Science
"

Everything about Science now smells fishy. The scientific blog world should be searching through journal websites to see how deeply they are quagmired in the honey pot of Global Warming: Nature, Scientific American, The Lancet, National Geographic, the lot. They all have websites with search engines. Public exposure may help them to clean out that pervasive stink of rotten fish.

Because the decay goes far beyond the CRUddites in Britain; it's all over the world among the machine politicians of science. All of them knew what was going on with the Biggest Science Scam in History, because it should be obvious to a child of six. Undergraduates in calculus classes learn that nonlinear dynamical systems are unanalyzable. Introductory physics classes learn there is no solution to the three-body problem, and the atmosphere is a lot more complicated than just three asteroids cycling around each other in space. Metereologist Edward Lorenz rose to fame in science by dramatizing the nature of chaotical systems, physical systems that cannot be predicted from their initial conditions. The weather is one of the best examples, but the earth sciences and biology are full of them. So no sane scientist or mathematician could have believed the Global Warming scam. If any of them say they believe it today, they are either lying or incompetent.

Global Warming is like Political Correctness; everybody knows it's a lie, but nobody is allowed to say it in public. "

Meanwhile AP is still peddling carp like this

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/decade_s_end_climate

[BR]

Yes, Extraneus, I thought that one was really funny, too :) And the hockey stick jokes! Talk about "man"-made global warming :)

In the latest at WattsUpWithThat on the Climategaters needing over 1,200 limos in Copenhagen, a commenter calculates it's costing the world 140,000,000 pounds sterling ($229 million) for all their hotel, travel and food expenses.

[clarice]

I don't know what happened to my earlier post--Do not ever try to fool MayBee is what I said. And I mean it. Tapper ought to put her on retainer.

[BR]

Climategate's Climaxgate now gives new meaning to this:

UK Energy and Climate Change Secy Ed Miliband:
"...that this [Climategate emails] somehow casts doubt on Copenhagen or the scientific evidence; frankly, I think that is nonsense and I think we need to resist listening to those siren voices."

[Jane]

Clarice,

I don't know if you are on Twitter but some days I just sit back and watch Maybee and Jake yap. It's quite fun to see.

[BR]

Upside hockey stick propositioning a siren

[BR]

I mean, downsideup.

[boris]

"no sane scientist or mathematician could have believed the Global Warming scam. If any of them say they believe it today, they are either lying or incompetent"

My suggestion is many adopted an "agnostic" position. The first rule of political correctness is that there is no political correctness.

Many others would admit that it was directed speculation but curbing CO2 would be a good thing and funding "solutions" is good for the science biz in the absense of a robust space program. These could say in their defense "look ... those guys have always been open about their scary scenario agenda ... anyone claiming they didn't know that is either lying or incompetent."

[anduril]

Steve Sailer has an interesting discussion of the Black blogosphere's discovery that Tiger Woods is a racist hound.

[centralcal]

Not only has MayBee done a great job on the rather limited media of Twitter, she seems to be the ONLY one who changed the course of the "narrative" the whining Obami was putting forth to his media fans.

Suddenly, this morning, many have picked up on this story. Some are crediting MayBee (Weekly Standard/MKH) some are not (CampaignSpot/Geraghty).

[anduril]

Slow morning. Haaretz has an interesting article: Who is funding the rabbi who endorses killing gentile babies? Short answer: the Israeli government.

[clarice]

Jane, I'm not on twitter..I can hardly keep up on what I already am hooked up to.

[clarice]

Here's the cite to the Weekly Standard piece with MayBee's name in lights.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Weblogs/TWSFP/TWSFPView.asp#14315

[Extraneus]

Seeing that Time blog linked at HotAir, too. Go MayBee!

[narciso]

A quote from Yesh Din, what press releases from CAIR, MPAC, ISNA weren't available.
'six of one, half a dozen of another'

[MayBee]

You guys are so sweet. You really are.
xoxoxox

[clarice]

Does someone have a link to the Horst Wessel Lied so we can have appropraite music as we scroll thru these posts?

[rse]

No wonder the feds have been pushing STEM research that redefines what K-12 math and science are in this country since the early 1990s. "Discovery math" and "hands on science" .Fewer American students even at the college or graduate level know enough solid math and science to pick up what was wrong as Clarice ably describes.

"Science verifies through observation"
"Mathematics verifies through logical Reasoning"
(Fordham State Standards Report 1998)

Federal grant money was and is going to destroy these basic tenets in K-12 so few Americans will have the tools in the future to recognize or understand
the fallacies of scams like AGW.

As Gramsci recognized, you need control of government, education, AND the media to pull off these hoaxes.

[Extraneus]

Here you go, Clarice.

[BR]

I've read mentions of Al Gore not attending Copenhagen. Does anyone know his stated reason?

Who was the first person or group to promote the idea of global warming?

[clarice]

Thanks, Ext..

[Neo]

Obama meets Dems without addressing divisive issues; negotiations continue

They are going to put this on Obama's headstone, just below "LightWorker"

[Neo]

I've read mentions of Al Gore not attending Copenhagen. Does anyone know his stated reason?

My guess is that the attendees didn't want to be seen with a known VC rep.

Who was the first person or group to promote the idea of global warming?

I'm not sure about "global warming" but Ken Lay of Enron can probably be credited with "Cap-n-Trade".

[BR]

Tku, Neo. If the MSM wanted to save themselves, they would be hounding and pounding Al Gore right now for explanations.

[narciso]

I think it was this Stephen Schneider character, along with Mann and of course
James Hanson, that set up the first beachhead around 1988.

Congratulation, Maybee, for that cutting through the smoke of the Parable of the Cave

[Rick Ballard]

"My suggestion is many adopted an "agnostic" position."

Boris,

The blackboard physics are "settled". (although I'm curious about the validity of that α=0.30 for albedo as a constant). That's the fig leaf with which many agnostics clothe themselves. Unfortunately for them, it's very thin, blows off in the wind and melts when clouds disperse rain.

It's also unsupported by the physical reality of observational data establishing CO2 as a lagging (by 800 years) indicator of temperature increase. The earth just refuses to behave as if it were under a bell jar on a lab bench. Perhaps it should be made to stay after class and wash blackboards?

[Porchlight]

Apologies in advance if this double posts...

Stephen Hayes was on Ingraham this morning talking about the Obama pep talk to Dems and saying that the "body language" of the Senate means that this is a done deal. Certainly Dems are full speed ahead, hoping nobody will notice in the holiday rush. Is the fix in? I really am having a hard time believing they won't pass something, and probably something very bad.

[RichatUF]

BR-

Who was the first person or group to promote the idea of global warming?

I'm not sure, but I'd be close with Father Earth, a Canadian billionaire, UN toadie, and Oil-for-Food scammer (he grafted a million or so out of the program and his Korean fixer is sitting in a US jail). His wiki write up is haiographic but gives you an idea.

[narciso]

I hope that wasn't too cryptic a comment as a complement, but that is the only way to explain how they present this world so at odds with reality. Daddy's excerpts from
Darwin's Armada does offer a template.

[RichatUF]

Porchlight-

If a bunch of them are going to lose anyway, might as well start a government run program that will guarantee themselves well compensated employment at a union, advocacy group, or lobby firm. I'm thinking the fix is in too both on healthcare and cap-and-tax. If the Dems don't get them done now, they'll probably not get another chance.

[BR]

Climategate Copenhagen Climaxgate

på fersk gerning

во время совершения преступления, с камерами

Давайте сыграем вместе шахматам :)

Давайте разоблачать мошенничество и обман!

[clarice]

Ras:
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The Senate worked through the weekend on its version of the national health care bill, with President Obama stopping by for a rare Sunday visit, but for the second week in a row, only 41% of U.S. voters favor the health care plan proposed by the president and congressional Democrats.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 51% oppose the plan. And as has been the case for months, the emotion’s on the sign of the naysayers: 40% Strongly Oppose the plan, while just 23% Strongly favor it.

Support for the president’s health care plan fell to 38%, its lowest ever, just before Thanksgiving. Followed by two weeks at 41%, this marks the lowest extended period of support for the plan yet. With the exception of a few days following nationally televised presidential appeals for the legislation, the number of voters opposed to the plan has always exceeded the number who favor it.

“This suggests that public opinion about the health care plan is hardening,” says Scott Rasmussen, president of Rasmussen Reports. “Despite the fact that most American believe our health care system needs major changes, most are opposed to what Congress is currently doing about it.”

[Shagmati]

A la Columbia Plaza

[BR]

Thanks, Rick! I'll go read with great enthusiasm :)

[Rocco]

Who was the first person or group to promote the idea of global warming?

I think you're right Rich. Maurice Strong is known as the Godfather of Kyoto and the NYT's once referred to him as the custodian of the planet

[clarice]

You can say that again BR!

[BR]

Is Strong attending Climaxgate?

[Captain Hate]

Stephen Hayes was on Ingraham this morning talking about the Obama pep talk to Dems and saying that the "body language" of the Senate means that this is a done deal.

So all that garbage last week about how the Maverick was gonna bollix up their plans was just setting me up to get stabbed in the back and kicked in the nads again? Well that's just wonderful...

[Porchlight]

Rich, I must admit I still have hopes for cap and trade. But then again if certain Senators know they're toast because of their health care vote, what will they have to lose?

Add to "the fix is in" the fact that the media has been pretty quiet about all the Senate deliberations on health care so far. Shhhhh.....

[Porchlight]

Not just Maverick, CH, there was talk about any number of amendments that the GOP was going to add to the mix.

The only hope is that there are a number of amendments to get through...no single one may be enough to kill the bill, but they may be enough to get us past Christmas.

[Rocco]

Along with former Canadien Prime Minister Paul Martin, Strong once chaired a very powerful and influential company called Power Corporation founded by Paul Desmarais. Desmarais’s son, Andre is married to former PM Jean Chretien’s daughter, France. Andre Desmarais also sits on the China International Trust & Investment Corp.

[Jane]

Al Gore is meeting with the president in the WH today.

Oh to be a fly on the wall...

[Rocco]

Power Corporation holds controlling stock in the biggest oil company in France, TotalFinaElf, now called Total. TotalFinaElf, also holds 14.5 % of the french nuclear industry Cogema. Cogema by the way, is the french run industry in charge of Niger’s yellowcake mines. Power Corporation is also linked to the UN’s Oil for Food scandal through the Banque Nationale de Paris-Paribas or BNP Paribas.

When Chretien stepped down, he led a delegation to China and then Iran on behalf of a Canadien oil company called PetroKazakhstan . China is eager to buy Canadian natural resources to feed its burgeoning economy, particularly oil from Alberta province's oil sands, the second biggest oil deposit in the world.

[boris]

Rick, just skimmed the post at your link. In a nutshell "AGW science is valid so it's not fraud ... it's just exaggerated".

The planet really has warmed up since the little ice age. There really is an "emission altitude".

Well BS. Straw dummy. Like saying no con artist can be convicted of fraud if they just include a couple of true facts in their schemes. Nobody would claim the ONLY problem with con artists is they don't use enough credible props when they rip you off.

[clarice]

And Chretien and Strong and Martin are linked with a French company Parabas which IIRC is involved in the Yellow cake kerfuffle..Bunch of rotten thieves.
Strong was living essentially rent free in a Soros palace while at the UN.

[Extraneus]

They can't all be suicidal, and there's no way they're not reading the polls.

[RichatUF]

Porchlight-

Steyn has it about right: "Socialized health care in particular changes the nature of the relationship between citizen and state into something closer to junkie and pusher."

Rocco-

The New Left needed someplace to go, what better than a global environmentalist movement, of, by, and for a select group of billionaires. Climategate has some of the same features of Rathergate, but a better comparsion would probably be the Oil-for-Food program. Some are sitting in jail for minor crimes and some investigations were worthwhile (Australia's Cole Commission), but for the most part, the whole thing was whitewashed (Volcker, a Soros retainer, applied a triple primer coat, was the White-Washer-In-Chief) and the media went out of its way to cover the whole thing up.

BR-

My babelfish translation was gibberish but had the pharse: expose the swindle and fraud?

[pagar]

If you Google Ken Lay & carbon trading, you'll find any number of articles where Al Gore is quoted as say that Ken Lay and Goldman Sachs did not start carbon trading.

What is even more interesting is that the Chicago Carbon Exchange would probably not exist if Obama had not provided the funding for it.

"“Obama Years Ago Helped Fund Carbon Program He Is Now Pushing Through Congress” is a FOXNews story by Ed Barnes. In short, “While on the board of a Chicago-based charity, Barack Obama helped fund a carbon trading exchange that will likely play a critical role in the cap-and-trade carbon reduction program he is now trying to push through Congress as president"

LUN

[Captain Hate]

Not just Maverick, CH, there was talk about any number of amendments that the GOP was going to add to the mix.

Speaking of the GOP, where has Michael Steele been hiding while his former counterpart, Howard Dean, has found time to make the Sunday chat shows? Although maybe I should be thankful he hasn't made appearances to inform viewers how uncomfortable he makes white members of the party.

Anybody that wants to tell me anything positive he's done for the party, please have at it. I won't be holding my breath.

[Rocco]

Nothing but a UN power grab to redistribute our wealth. That's a c&p from a post I made here a while back

[Old Lurker]

"The planet really has warmed up since the little ice age."

Yep. And it has warmed up even more since the Big Ice Age. Seems we are always either leaving an Ice Age (warming) or entering an Ice Age (cooling). Funny how that works.

The sun rises in the east and sets in the west, too.

Now I wonder if we can make money and/or grab control over nations off that fact?

[Vlčák]

This one's picture is missing from CRU site.

Prof. Keith Briffa

And the entire staff page is now blocked. But it's still here.">http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/">here.

[clarice]

Ahh--I think Roicco is right on the details..

[narciso]

Well he's stopped that, CH, he was saying something on Hannity, some days ago, but frankly I tuned out.

[Rick Ballard]

Boris,

That blog is where the 61 meg dump of incriminating evidence was first exposed. Jeff screams "fraud spread by lieing scam artists" quite loudly and quite often. That presentation (along with Lucia's) is a very good explanation of the "science is settled" fig leaf and (in Jeff's case) has to be read contextually as the identification of the feeble prop supporting the scam.

Every time I read someone who babbles about "settled science" in the context of Climate Scientology I know that there is a potential bridge buyer available.

[clarice]

OT\BBC and AP reporting big demos and shootings in downtown Tehran

[šachy]

From Prague
with love

[daddy]

Wow Janet,

Doesn't that AT story you linked about "Population Bomber" Ehrlich appointing Kennedy to the position of Editor of "Science" exactly fit the template.

It's scary as the pieces of the puzzle keep coming into view.

And great Kudo's to our MayBee for calling BS on Obama's rendition of the Press in Asia.

But that's what's so infuriating. The Press was there. They knew all along. Why did they need our MayBee to bring it to public attention?

It's the same as Hilary during the campaign saying she ran under sniper fire across the Bosnian Tarmac, when Andrea Mitchell and half the Press Corp was right there with her and absolutely knew it was all BS. But they all kept mumm about it, until Sinbad and Cheryl Crow, both Obama supporters, called BS, after which then the Media simply verified what they already knew but were keeping hidden.

Man, do I despise these Media guys.