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December 17, 2009

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clarice

You can say that again!

Thomas Collins

Obama, Biden and Clinton didn't know? I'd call that implausible deniability.

anduril

Here's a really good, informative article--by a "real CIA guy": No-Fault Espionage.

Bottom line:

The point is that if Congress and the Justice Department think that when Americans are caught spying for Israel it is constitutionally protected activity, like free speech, perhaps they should say so publicly. A two-tier system relating to national security issues and rule of law is just not in the US national interest, no matter how one twists the facts. If you spy for Israel the consequences should be the same as if you spy for China or Cuba – arrest, conviction, and hard jail time. No exceptions, no excuses.
Jane

I think our TM is hitting the Christmas eggnog a little early this year.

Steve C.

These people are absolutely pathetic.

narciso

Way to derail the thread,this early in the game.

anduril

Not so, narciso--just switch to the duplicate thread. I haven't posted anything there...

Thomas Collins

So the Administration was seriously considering ousting Karzai and practicing Yankee Imperialism against the Honduran people while sucking up to Chavez and Ahmadinejad. Yes, they can!

anduril

Here's another interesting and informative article from Antiwar.com. This should be red meat for the Neocons:

Iran’s Domestic Conflict Shifts Into Higher Gear

Beginning and end:

Although the tumult that has gripped Iran since the contested Jun. 12 election has never abated, two recent occurrences have highlighted the further sharpening of internal conflict and the government’s inability to restore stability in the face of creative ways the opposition has learned to use the symbols of the Islamic Republic in order to sustain itself.

The uproar over former president Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani’s public insistence on the regime’s need to respect popular demands and the government-staged outrage over the burning of the picture of the Islamic Revolution’s founder, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, during University Student Day demonstrations Dec. 7 have made clear that the political crisis at the heart of the establishment is intensifying.

...

Khamenei himself appears increasingly unable to control the situation. Speaking Sunday, he pleaded for calm and avoiding inflammatory language while, at the same time, he talked of "purge… of "former brothers" or "those who insist on distancing themselves from the system."

Meanwhile the inability of the political system Khamenei heads to even announce the names of individuals who engaged in publicly acknowledged acts of torture and murder in a prison he himself ordered closed last summer has underlined the growing sense that the government has become paralyzed.

Accountability for the abuses committed at Kahrizak prison has been perhaps the most easily accommodated demand of the protestors, but the government’s inability or unwillingness to respond is seen as additional evidence of its inflexibility and paranoia.

Where all this will end is difficult to predict. What is clear is that, at least at the level of public discourse, almost all the taboos of the Islamic Republic have been broken. Stellar revolutionaries like Rafsanjani, Mousavi, Karrubi and Khatami refuse to back down from their criticisms of the way post-election protests have been handled.

In turn, they and their families are accused of abetting those who are conspiring against the Islamic Republic; Khomeini’s family of tarnishing the Founder’s legacy. And there is little in sight to suggest that those who continue to accuse and dish out violence have any coherent strategy for getting out of the deepening crisis that they helped provoke six months ago by refusing to address any of the protesters’ grievances.

This is one of the things I like about Antiwar.com--they try to be evenhanded in presenting different points of view. For example, with this article they show that they're not afraid to present a point of view that Neocons will seize upon for their own purposes. It's old fashioned journalism--get the truth out there.

narciso

He runs the show, have the Pasdaran split, is there a prospect for real overturning of the system. or will the protesters go the way of the MEK, not a serious threat to the system

anduril

Well, it's a helluva lot more interesting than speculating about who's the most incompetent of all in this admin's foreign policy team. Hey, what's up with TM? Doesn't he know that "we" don't read the NYT?

narciso

There is no legitimacy to the system over there, yet the leading voice of the establishment treat it as if it did

MarkO

I believe they didn't know anything. I never did think they knew anything.

Dave (in MA)

How do you say "community organizer" in Pashtu?

Rocco

Philip Giraldi...a real CIA guy? Now that's funny! Close friend of Scary Larry and VIP member who blames Ledeen for forging the Niger documents.

Rocco

**VIPS member**

Rocco

I wonder what the VIPS think about the Israeli/Palestinian problem?

narciso

They think Israel is the problem, from the likes of some of the members, it's an outgrowth of IPS, which was the original left wing think tank

clarice

Since Cannistraro is I believe married to a Palestinian and Soros funds them let me guess....

narciso

I didn't know that part, but this LUN does illustrate his point of view

Rocco

VIPS co-founder Ray McGovern

The session took an awkward turn when witness Ray McGovern, a former intelligence analyst, declared that the United States went to war in Iraq for oil, Israel and military bases craved by administration "neocons" so "the United States and Israel could dominate that part of the world." He said that Israel should not be considered an ally and that Bush was doing the bidding of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

Another "Real CIA guy!"

Neo

I think perhaps the Muslims in the region might just missed the parallel to South VietNam President Ngo Dinh Diem, and instead think this was a repeat of 1953 coup of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddeq.

This would have been a reckless pressing of that "RESET" button that Hiliary keeps talking about.

Rick Ballard

"So the Administration was seriously considering ousting Karzai and practicing Yankee Imperialism against the Honduran people while sucking up to Chavez and Ahmadinejad."

TC,

I'd say that Bozo demonstrated once again that he is a gutless wannabee thug who is clueless concerning the application of real power. The "Chicago Way" works fine when applied by Daley to recalcitrant aldermen.

If Bozo and Rahmbo can't make the horse head in the bed approach work in Honduras or Afghanistan, it's small wonder that China is jerking the leash on debt purchases while giving Bozo the finger in Copenhagen.

anduril

Rocco, here's some slightly fuller context. The reporting is not clear--it says that Moran "prompted the question" when the context suggests that Moran asked the question:

The session took an awkward turn when witness Ray McGovern, a former intelligence analyst, declared that the United States went to war in Iraq for oil, Israel and military bases craved by administration "neocons" so "the United States and Israel could dominate that part of the world." He said that Israel should not be considered an ally and that Bush was doing the bidding of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

"Israel is not allowed to be brought up in polite conversation," McGovern said. "The last time I did this, the previous director of Central Intelligence called me anti-Semitic."

Rep. James P. Moran Jr. (D-Va.), who prompted the question by wondering whether the true war motive was Iraq's threat to Israel, thanked McGovern for his "candid answer."

I note that the blathering above is simply guilt by association and doesn't address the issues in Giraldi's article. I suggest you all take some sort of chill pill before you start hyper ventilating.

I'll simply repeat what I've always believed: the Iraq invasion was a strategic move to position the US to dominate that region. Initially I thought it might be a stroke of genius, but I've come to think it was a different sort of stroke.

narciso

Because the people who say this, usually go on delusional tangents. Saddam was a 'per-existing condition' in the vernacular and he wasn't going away. Now if the answer
was really oil, we did a rather mediocre job
at that, but that's mostly because the idiocy of Pelosi and co, McGovern is a lefty, he runs a liberation theology ministry in D,C, not an Islamist, but the sympathies are almost
indistinguishable in practice

Rob Crawford

McGovern is a lefty, he runs a liberation theology ministry in D,C

IOW, Rev. Jim Jones with a lack of Flavor-Aid.

PD

If we'd wanted to steal Iraq's oil, we'd have done it long ago.

clarice

We understand your position, anduril ,and you are free to express it though one wonders why ,in the absence of a groundswell of opinion here to your viewpoint, you feel that constant repetition on almost every thread of any subject often thru cites to utter crackpots and dubious "experts" will change the tide.

I know you indicated the other day that you thought readers who aren't posting are following your arguments Could be --though to be honest I think that exaggerates the size of your putative following.

Danube of Thought

It bears repeating: I'm waiting for the first Afghan monk to set himself on fire.

Rocco

Yep...guilt by association

Rocco

Giraldi seems to have discovered a yet safer method of ventilating his animus: the circulation of wild allegations in the confidence that there is nothing too facially absurd to find some dupe somewhere.

Couldn't have said it better!

clarice

Very good,DoT. I'm probably going to have to steal that one.

Boatbuilder

Those eviiil Neocons!!! Every time some brave freedom movement pops up in the Middle East it makes them look good! And they want us to support those movements, which is really inconvenient. Much better to be "realists" about the situation, and let the tyrants go about their business.

Apparently the Antiwar .com folks haven't thought things through like you, Anduril. Just give them time, they'll come around.

clarice

Giraldi's like the ex-FBI loony, Szady--did you notice, if there's a Jew anywhere--Ledeen, Feith, he slanders them by alleging they did something to help the enemy.

Khalil Nouri

If Karzai was to be replaced by Ashraf Ghani or anyone else, the problems would have not changed.
The only thing could have changed on the ground was to launch another election but only with the participation of the tribal elders and not the entire Afghan reelection. This century old process could have brought a much acceptable government for Afghanistan.

Danube of Thought

At Hot Air there's a video of Marines trying to train Afghans, and it's not pretty. Not at all.

anduril

Giraldi's like the ex-FBI loony, Szady--did you notice, if there's a Jew anywhere--Ledeen, Feith, he slanders them by alleging they did something to help the enemy.

I've been told--in writing--by a "real CIA guy" that this isn't true: Szady is not an anti-Semite.

I hope that doesn't get the "real CIA guy" in hot water.

clarice

A real CIA guy told me that, too, but frankly I don't believe it and if it is true his conduct is so indistinguishable from someone acting with that animus that whether he acts as he did out of bonehead stupidity or bias seems irrelevant.

Rocco

Here's another lie by the VIPS, an organization Giraldi was a party to.

There is just too much evidence that Ambassador Wilson was sent to Niger at the behest of Vice President Cheney's office
Captain Hate

Why are there two of the same posts?

Jane

Eggnog Cap'n

anduril

clarice, I have to say, you type much better with spittle all over your keyboard--far fewer typos. It's really noticeable and much easier to read.

However, the content suffers.

narciso

You're just asking for those pistolas to be fired .aren't you, btw, Clarice, how long will you be down here for?

clarice

Tuesday morning, narciso. I have guests coming in Sat who will leave when we do. I'll be back in Jan or Feb though on one of those visits my children will be here. I'll let you and your mom know which time would be better.

Fresh Air

Anduril--

I'll take the spittle-flecked, typo-ridden output from Clarice over the soberest, best spell-checked, perfectly formatted post you can offer.

Rocco

Proof that Giraldi is a member of Veteran Professionals for Sanity

Statement of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity on Torture

(Signatories are listed alphabetically with former intelligence affiliations.)

Gene Betit, US Army, DIA, Arlington, VA

Ray Close, National Clandestine Service (CIA), Princeton, NJ

Phil Giraldi, National Clandestine Service (CIA), Purcellville, VA

Larry Johnson, CIA & Department of State, Bethesda, MD

Pat Lang, US Army (Special Forces), DIA, Alexandria, VA

David MacMichael, National Intelligence Council, Linden, VA

Tom Maertens, Department of State, Mankato, MN

Ray McGovern, US Army, CIA, Arlington, VA

Sam Provance, US Army (Abu Ghraib), Greenville, SC

Coleen Rowley, FBI, Apple Valley, MN

Greg Theilmann, Department of State & Senate Intellligence Committee staff , Arlington, VA

Ann Wright, US Army, Department of State, Honolulu, HI

Rocco

**Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity**

clarice

Thanks, Fresh Air.

anduril

We understand your position, anduril ,and you are free to express it...

1. Seemingly not, but

2. you are so kind.

3. LOL

anduril

I'll take the spittle-flecked, typo-ridden output from Clarice

Suit yourself. De gustibus non est disputandum.

Rocco

And Sy hersh claims a "real CIA guy" told him that the VIPS forged those Niger documents.


He became more forthcoming in subsequent months, eventually saying that a small group of disgruntled retired C.I.A. clandestine operators had banded together in the late summer of last year and drafted the fraudulent documents themselves.

“The agency guys were so pissed at Cheney,” the former officer said. “They said, ‘O.K, we’re going to put the bite on these guys.’ ” My source said that he was first told of the fabrication late last year, at one of the many holiday gatherings in the Washington area of past and present C.I.A. officials. “Everyone was bragging about it—‘Here’s what we did. It was cool, cool, cool.’ ” These retirees, he said, had superb contacts among current officers in the agency and were informed in detail of the sismi intelligence.

No wonder Giraldi blames Ledeen!

macphisto

Carpe Diem! Carpe Nhu! Carpe Karzai!

Rocco

Seems that quack Sibel Edmonds is also a member of VIPS

PDF

DAVOD

Earlier in the year it was reported that Holbrook had suggested to the NATO coaliton that Karzai be sidelined by inserting someone between Karzai and the political process.

Neo

Why are there two of the same posts?

One is a "pacebo," but I'm not tellin'

Fresh Air

In Feldman Veritas!

anduril

Seems that quack Sibel Edmonds is also a member of VIPS

As for "quack Sibel Edmonds," here's some information (Wiki) re her lawsuit:

Edmonds' allegations of impropriety at the FBI came to the attention of the Senate Judiciary Committee, which held unclassified hearings on the matter on June 17, 2002 and July 9, 2002. During the hearings, the FBI provided various unclassified documents and statements relating to the case, and even acknowledged that some of Edmonds' complaints, particularly regarding misconduct by her fellow translators and mismanagement within her unit, had merit.[10] This led to Senators Patrick Leahy and Chuck Grassley sending letters, dated June 19, 2002, August 13, 2002, and October 28, 2002 — to Inspector General Glenn A. Fine, Attorney General Ashcroft, and FBI Director Robert Mueller, respectively — asking for explanations and calling for an independent audit of the FBI's translation unit. These documents were published on the Senators' web sites[20][21][22][22] and were republished by a watchdog group, Project On Government Oversight (POGO).[23]

On August 15, 2002, a separate suit, Burnett v. Al Baraka Investment & Dev. Corp., was filed by families of 600 victims of the September 11, 2001 (9/11) attacks against Saudi banks, charity organizations, and companies.[24][25][26] Although the claims were eventually dismissed,[27] Edmonds was to file a deposition in this case.[28] On May 13, 2004, Ashcroft submitted statements to justify the use of the State Secrets Privilege against the planned deposition by Edmonds.[28] The same day, the FBI took the unprecedented step of retroactively classifying as Top Secret all of the material and statements that had been provided to the Senate Judiciary Committee in 2002 relating to Edmonds' own lawsuit, as well as the letters that had been sent by the Senators and republished by POGO.[23]

On June 23, 2004, the lawfulness of the retroactive reclassification was challenged in a suit filed by POGO, citing fear that the group might be retroactively punished for having published the letters on its website. The Justice Department tried, but failed, to get the suit dismissed, and said that POGO could not prove that it was being threatened with prosecution. On February 18, 2005, the day before a hearing on the case, the Justice Department, under the leadership of a new Attorney General, backed away from its claim that those particular documents were classified, and approved their release in full.[

Here's the conclusion of DoJ's Office of the Inspector General, which has a very high reputation for their investigations:

"We found that many of Edmonds' core allegations relating to the co-worker were supported by either documentary evidence or witnesses other than Edmonds. … With respect to an allegation that focused on the co-worker's performance, which Edmonds believed to be an indication of a security problem, the evidence clearly corroborated Edmonds' allegations. … With regard to some of Edmonds' allegations, the OIG did not find evidence to support her allegation or the inferences that she drew from certain facts. However, Edmonds' assertions regarding the co-worker, when viewed as a whole, raised substantial questions and were supported by various pieces of evidence. … Rather than investigate Edmonds' allegations vigorously and thoroughly, the FBI concluded that she was a disruption and terminated her contract. We concluded that the FBI could not show, by clear and convincing evidence, that it would have terminated Edmonds' services absent her disclosures. … We believe that many of her allegations were supported, that the FBI did not take them seriously enough, and that her allegations were, in fact, the most significant factor in the FBI's decision to terminate her services."

Whatever her current political views, anyone with an interest in National Security would do well to review her allegations regarding information she gained during her time of employment with the FBI.

Rick Ballard

Rocco,

It would be entertaining to know if there are VIPs link to DoJ trash commensurate with those found with DoS. A particular avenue might be an examination of ties between the Stevens' prosecutorial misconduct team and Fitz's group of Defenders of the Faith. I would be unsurprised to read that the pustulence began flaring up at the SDNY while Comey was assembling his crew of miscreants and giving FBI agents lessons on how to properly edit a 302 for the desired result.

Extraneus

Regarding Israel, I'd say "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" works quite well. Unless you believe the Muslims would all be peaceful citizens of the world if only they could kill off the Jews.

anduril

Ballard = pathetic troll.

And what a childishly stupid post.

anduril

Unless you believe the Muslims would all be peaceful citizens of the world if only they could kill off the Jews.

Really, E., don't be silly. Is there anything in the history of the world to suggest that?

Melinda Romanoff

anduril-

A small request, could you use either a hyperlink or LUN for your informative "cut and paste" jobs. Don't edit things for me. It drives me nuts and is a large reason why we're all here, not on a CNNABCNBC or affilliated website. I can make up my own mind without your help.

Thank you.

Rick Ballard

Brenda Morris, the corrupt prosecutor in the Steven's case, worked on the Abramoff matter as well. Now that she's under fire, look where she runs for help:

Brenda Morris, who was the chief prosecutor on the Stevens trial, has been talking to Hogan & Hartson's Chuck Rosenberg, who last year stepped down as served as chief of staff to Deputy Attorney General (and whistle-blower) James Comey...

What a small and dirty world there at the DoJ.

JM Hanes

"Implausible deniability" pretty much nails it, ThomasC.

The degree to which the United States should stand behind Mr. Karzai was vigorously debated in Washington in the fall, as the Obama administration pondered how to handle the disputed election in Afghanistan

"Vigorous debate" is so much more dignified than dithering, isn't it? This Administration's willingness to undercut Karzai publicly was astonishing. Even at the time, it looked to me like they were deliberately testing the waters for what I suppose we can now call the "Galbraith Plan." I initially thought they were just floating an excuse for avoiding a troop commitment, but the ongoing alienation of Karzai quickly looked far more serious.

Can we start talking about the Biden-Holbrooke-Galbraith axis yet? The fact that Holbrooke felt compelled to speak up, himself, is a measure of how close to the bone this story must cut. I can't remember the last time he didn't let anonymous aides do the talking for him. I figured he was afraid of being asked why the President's Special Envoy was personna non grata in his allotted territory. It seems pretty clear that Galbraith was Holbrooke's guy at the UN -- where he emblematically managed to offend almost everyone.

Unlike Karzai, Eide, "UN and American officials," the Embassy in Kabul, a Holbrooke aide, Ban Ki-moon's Chief of Staff, and Tony Blinken in Biden's office:

Mr. Holbrooke said he was unaware of the idea. “And it does not reflect in any way any idea that Secretary Clinton or anyone else in the State Department would have considered,” he said.
Talk about being out of the loop! When fecklessness is the only c.y.a. arrow left in your quiver, you must be in serious trouble.

JM Hanes

Rocco:

A little flamebait here, a little there -- LOL!

Ignatz

--A small request, could you use either a hyperlink or LUN for your informative "cut and paste" jobs.--

Good luck with that. Been requested and ignored many times in the past Mel.

Old Lurker

Good luck with that suggestion, Mel.

anduril

1/26/09

Chuck Rosenberg, former United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, has joined law firm Hogan & Hartson as a partner in the firm’s Washington, DC office. The firm announced that Rosenberg has joined its litigation practice group and will focus his practice on federal white collar criminal defense, internal investigations, and civil litigation.

Prior to being U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia post, Rosenberg also served as the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Texas, based in Houston, Texas.

Rosenberg also served in several senior positions at the Department of Justice, including as Chief of Staff to Deputy Attorney General Jim Comey; Counselor to Attorney General John Ashcroft; and Counsel to Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Director Bob Mueller, where his work focused on counterterrorism, counterintelligence, national security, and criminal matters.

Sounds like a guy I'd like to have in my corner if I were in a world of legal hurt. "Small world"--what twaddle!

Buford Gooch

We must remember that Biden's cranial operations are no longer up to speed (which was about 3.4 mph), so he may really not have been aware of what was going on (in this case, and most others).

qrstuv

Anduril:

I am a regular reader here, and I regularly read Rick Ballard's posts.

I regularly skip yours (which I can usually spot by length).

As you're telling us who's a pathetic troll, I thought I'd offer my opinion.

Rocco

Rick

It wouldn't surprise me either. One thing I've always found suspect is why Greg Theilmann, director of the Strategic, Proliferation and Military Affairs Office at the State Department's Intelligence Bureau, (and another VIPS) retired less than a month before the US embassy in Rome faxed the Niger documents to the State Departments Bureau of Nonproliferation on Oct 15, 2002.

And why was Theimann running his mouth to the press about analysts being pressured to change their analysis? PDF page 279 & 280 of the SSCI

The Office Director did not present any information suggesting that analysts had been pressured or influenced to alter their assessments or views on Iraq, or that the Administration was only interested in receiving intelligence information which supported pre-conceived ideas.
anduril

Melinda, I indicated that the information was from Wikipedia--that's what "(Wiki)" meant. It would have taken far less time for you to type "wiki sibel edmonds" in your google search window than it did for you to do your whiny post. But since you seem to have plenty of time to waste, why not hustle over to the Doppelganger thread, where you'll find this:

You mean Sullivan ? Antiwar is rather crazy , too..

Wikipedia (the ron Paulian stream of carp):

Giraldi's claim in the American Conservative magazine[...]

...

Posted by: clarice | December 17, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Please do everyone a similar favor and do a whiny post asking clarice to provide a link. You can still make up your own mind, FWIW.

Been requested and ignored many times in the past Mel.

Here's another guy with time on his hands. Hey Ignatz, why don't you check out all my posts today and count the number of times I quoted outside material without a link? Hint: the one above at 1:22pm doesn't count, since I was quoting the same source that Rocco linked.

narciso

She is the carrier of the pistolas and the pikes, no one tells her to do anything.

qrstuv

Pikes?

There are pikes?

Yikes!

PaulL

Nobody here seems to have any idea what constitutes a real troll. Anduril is not a troll, nor is anyone else who posts here regularly.

Rick Ballard

Rocco,

What do suppose would be the common thread linking Theilman and former FBI agent turned "political activist" Coleen Rowley? I don't see much aside from a probable mutual feeling that Reynolds Wrap is the perfect material for a stylish chapeau. A desperate quest for a flicker from the limelight? Being pals with Cindy Sheehan and Jack Murtha (speaking of sickening corruption) seems a high price to pay for such a meager reward.

Ignatz

--Hey Ignatz, why don't you check out all my posts today and count the number of times I quoted outside material without a link?--

The issue is not just the editing, nor the linking; it's the constant thread bombing with miles long posts. Your intentional provocations and then whining when its shot back at you is just the icing on the cake.
I've tried engaging with you reasonably, argumentatively and in kind, as have others, and nothing works to modify your inconsiderate and intentionally disruptive behavior so, sod off.
And BTW, you still owe Rocco an apology.

--Nobody here seems to have any idea what constitutes a real troll. Anduril is not a troll, nor is anyone else who posts here regularly.--

From Wiki:

--In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.--

Shoe seems to fit him pretty well, Paul.

Rocco

I don't see much aside from a probable mutual feeling that Reynolds Wrap is the perfect material for a stylish chapeau.

Are we out of tin foil?

narciso

We laugh at the craziness of McGovern, but my local paper must have run his column some 40-50 times between 2003 and 2007. So it has an influence. now it's interesting one of the names on that list Ray Close, the longest serving CIA station chief in Riyadh, there were accounts that he switched over to work for Saudi companies that were involved in the Afghan resupply effort, most likely even the faction that Bin Laden was tied to, Cannistraro, was a vice consul in Jiddah in 1975, when Agee
found him, Avrokotos has little good to say about him in George Crile's book on the subject

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

anduril is a classic contrarian. He's the kind of guy who if you say something's "black" will automatically find a way to try to prove it's really "white".

If he'd just quit underestimating the intelligence of the regulars here, he would get less snark or pushback. Rick is a longtime commenter here and always has uniquely pithy comments expressing a point of view that many of us share. The notion that Rick is a troll is ludicrous as all of the regular JOMers know. I was astonished to see that silly comment on several other threads, and thought it time to set the record straight lest silence be taken as affirmation.

anduril

sod off.

When logic fails...

But here's something that puzzles me--I did a really rather short post, early this morning:

Here's a really good, informative article--by a "real CIA guy": No-Fault Espionage.

Bottom line:

The point is that if Congress and the Justice Department think that when Americans are caught spying for Israel it is constitutionally protected activity, like free speech, perhaps they should say so publicly. A two-tier system relating to national security issues and rule of law is just not in the US national interest, no matter how one twists the facts. If you spy for Israel the consequences should be the same as if you spy for China or Cuba – arrest, conviction, and hard jail time. No exceptions, no excuses.

Posted by: anduril | December 17, 2009 at 10:27 AM

I see nothing controversial or inflammatory in the point that Giraldi is making: equal protection under the law is our constitutional guarantee, is it not? The only thing that might be considered inflammatory--by wacko fringe types--is Giraldi's statement that spying for Israel is not constitutionally protected free speech. In point of fact, clarice has repeatedly attempted to claim that acting as an unregistered agent of a Foreign Power IS constitutionally protected free speech. Be that as it may, I regard a discussion of these issues to be good clean fun.

But that's not what puzzles me. What puzzles me is this--that's a short post, and I added nothing to it. In fact I did a longer post about a fascinating analysis of the troubled state of Iranian politics, a matter of great interest to many on this Forum. Nobody had to reply to my first post--they could have devoted their attention to the Iranian one, or ignored them both. But no, instead of giving Giraldi a pass, they spent the day venting about anti-Semitism in high places and low. So whose fault is that? clarice keeps saying she's going to skip my posts, others say I'm an SOB--but they have to track me down on the forum and obsessively tell me so. Sounds like a personal problem to me.

centralcal

Ignatz: Wiki seems to have forgotten "obnoxious," "rude," "juvenile," etc. etc.

I think Sue had it just right - S.O.B.

Works just great for me, since I haven't installed the Narcisolator.

clarice

Silence is not affirmation on my part.
Heck, if it weren't for Rick's brilliant pen I'd hardly have anything worth stealing.

I think to the extent that contrarians love the attention that they draw, benign neglect remains perfect strategy and I regret that I switched course on my original inclination.

anduril

He's the kind of guy who if you say something's "black" will automatically find a way to try to prove it's really "white".

No Jim, it's really black.

If he'd just quit underestimating the intelligence of the regulars here...

Uhhhhhhhhh...

PaulL

Ignatz,

Most of the threads here concern controversial subjects.

Inflammatory, not that I've noticed. I confess to a lot of scrolling on by.

Extraneous, or off-topic messages--sheesh, we have hundreds of those. Why single out anduril?

Primary intent--we don't know his intent, we're not mind readers.

Disrupting normal on-topic discussion.--same as comments for extraneous, above.

Heck, Kim engaged in conversation with Cleo and urged us to. I don't see how anduril is even in the same ballpark.

Ignatz

--sod off.--

--When logic fails...--

Precisely. I couldn't have said it better myself.

daddy

I like TM's creative idea of posting columns twice. It allows 1 for comments.

And 1 for everybody else's comments.

narciso

Giraldi can't tell the difference between an ally and a foe, I don't know when is the last time someone spying for France, received this
level of treatment, Pollard, Nozette, that other fellow all receive attention, now you figure there must be some people in contact
with Saudi General Intelligence, will Szady or whoever his successor is follow up on it.
I doubt it, seeing the Hassan case, who was in actual contact with an AQ recruiter like Aulaqi.
In my neck of the woods, the DGI has been fairly active, the Alvarez's, Faget jr,
a number of others. The Myers were on a different track and were off the scope for a number of years

anduril

But, but, but...daddy! Why'd they all have to crowd in on MY thread? Please tell Iggy to go play on the other thread!

Ignatz

--Why single out anduril?--

Because he is intentionally disruptive, consistently refuses to stop behavior virtually the entire board wishes him to stop, falsely accuses regulars of behavior they haven't engaged in and refuses to either acknowledge it or apologize for it.

For me this has nothing to do with his political views as I seem to agree with the large majority of them. It's his incessant intentional provocations. And this isn't the first episode of this disruptive foolishness. He was here previously some time back and alienated virtually everyone before mercifully disappearing. But all good things must end.

Soylent Red

If we'd wanted to steal Iraq's oil, we'd have done it long ago.

If we wanted to steal oil from a thrid-world pain in the ass, we'd have invaded Mexico.

The logistics would have been much easier.

And you know what I like best about Anduril? The fact that Trollblocker makes him invisible.

Get some!

Rocco

And if we wanted Iraq's oil, why didn't we take in 90 during Desert Storm?

Night all...this simpleton's ready for bed!

Melinda Romanoff

anduril-

As a "point of order", a common courtesy amongst an argumentative bunch, that might, coincidentally, be found here, would include links, as opposed to mere references. This speeds responses to posts that have the potential to revert to "furlongs per fortnight". It's the blog equivalent of "conversation".

You provide lecture content, and then ask me to go and find out if you're right, if I search well enough, and will trust a Wiki.

I'll give you a hint Wiki's are only as good as the editor, so that's starting off with a weak argument.

A proof ends with Q.E.D. for a reason, it is demonstrated.

So, in Socratic terms, prove your work. I tried to ask nicely the first time, which you have dismissed as "whiny". This is not a whine, but a demand.

Learn from it.

sbw

Why single out anduril? Because he toys with his food. We're his food.

PD

Sounds like a personal problem to me.

The personal problem is the persecution complex.

Fresh Air

VNJAG, Rick & other old-timers from Roger Simon's site. Just had a flashback. Anduril has many of the same qualities of "Ratatosk," self-named "Squirrel of Discord." Unless they are one and the same, there must be two of those squirrels up in the nest.

As a general comment, anyone purporting to be from the right who insists on attacking conservatives on a conservative blog not on individual matters but as a general posting style is not a troll. He is an asshole.

Cecil Turner

Anduril is not a troll, nor is anyone else who posts here regularly.

Not buying any. He does nothing except make the place unpleasant. Can't be all accident.

Captain Hate

I still maintain that Anuril is one of the "crazy Ivans" that were dispatched by the KGB (or whatever entity it morphed into) when the Rooskis invaded Georgia to sew disinformation over the interwebbz (and he's on record as supporting the Bear) and whose contract was extended because he was extremely good at being irritating.

Neo
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, French President Nicolas Sarkozy and Brazilian President Inacio Lula da Silva were all seen as the talks got underway shortly after 11pm in Copenhagen. Among industrialised countries, the participants were Norway, Russia, Spain, Britain, the US, Denmark, Australia, Germany, France, Sweden and Japan. Representing small island states were the Maldives and Grenada, with Sudan, Algeria, Ethiopia and Lesotho from Africa. Sudan is also the leader of the G77 group of 130 developed countries, Algeria heads the Africa Group, and Lesotho leads the bloc of Least Developed Countries.”
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/climate-draft-deal-agreed-20091218-l1jo.html ...but ...
A draft political agreement drawn up by a small group of countries was rejected during overnight discussions.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8420714.stm
anduril

This is ... a demand.

Oh, really?

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