As we await Obama's Afghanistan speech, David Brooks reminds us that Obama has the right background for the mission:
In late 2006, Gen. David Petraeus and Gen. James F. Amos released a brilliant book with a thrilling title. It was called the “Army/Marine Corps Field Manual 3-24.” In its quiet way, this book helped overturn conventional wisdom on modern warfare and gave leaders a new way to see the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq.
It’s a mistake to think you can succeed in conflicts like these by defeating the enemy in battle, the manual said. Instead, these wars are better seen as political arguments for the loyalty of the population. Get villagers to work with you by offering them security. Provide services by building courts and schools and police. Over the long term, transfer authority to legitimate local governments.
This approach, called COIN, has reshaped military thinking, starting with the junior officers who developed it and then spreading simultaneously up and down the chain of command.
When President Obama conducted his first Afghanistan strategic review last winter, he too gravitated toward the COIN mentality, appointing Gen. Stanley McChrystal, one of the chief architects of COIN, to run the war effort there.
OK, Afghanistan may be even harder than getting the asbestos out of Altgeld Gardens, but the principles seem to be the same.
However, some members of his Administration seem to be objectively pro-asbestos, or at least, unenthusiastic about the effort required to rebuild (OK, build) Afghanistan:
The administration seems to have spent the past few months trying to pare back the COIN strategy and adjust it to real world constraints. As it has done so, there has been less talk in the informed policy community about paving the way for a new, transformed Afghanistan. There has been more talk of finding cheap ways to arrange the current pieces of Afghanistan into a contraption that will stay together and allow us to go home.
What’s emerging appears to be something less than a comprehensive COIN strategy but more than a mere counter-terrorism strategy — shooting at terrorists with drones. It is a hybrid approach, and as we watch the president’s speech Tuesday night, we’ll all get to judge whether he has cut and pasted the different options into a coherent whole. It’s not the troop levels that matter. What matters is how this war will be fought.
Some very smart people say that the administration’s direction is already fatally flawed. There is no such thing as effective COIN-lite, they argue. All the pieces of a comprehensive strategy have to be done patiently and together because success depends on the way they magnify one another.
These experts may be right. But none of us get to have our first choice on this matter. President Obama faces such a devilishly complex set of constraints that the policy he announces will be partially unsatisfying to every American and to every member of his administration. The fights inside have been so brutal that there have been accusations that the Defense and State Departments have withheld documents from the president to bias his thinking.
I question the word "constraints". My impression is that Brooks is referring to political constraints, such as the near absence of support for the "Good War" on the left. If Obama thinks, as he did in August, that this is a vital war of necessity (unlikely), then he should exert his oratorical skills and rally his base.
The WSJ has more on troop dispositions. The NY Times has coverage, and who cannot read this and marvel at Obama's ability to rally international support:
Before leaving for West Point on Tuesday, Mr. Obama will meet with more than two dozen Congressional leaders at the White House to discuss his plan. Mr. Obama spent much of Monday calling allied leaders.
He spoke for 40 minutes with President Nicolas Sarkozy of France, who signaled that France was not in a position to commit more troops. There are currently 3,750 French soldiers and 150 police officers in Afghanistan.
“He said France would stay at current troop levels for as long as it takes to stabilize Afghanistan,” said an official briefed on the exchange, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe a private diplomatic exchange.
Instead of troops, Mr. Sarkozy told Mr. Obama that France was putting its focus on a conference in London sponsored by Germany and Britain to rally support for Afghanistan, officials in Washington and France said.
One recalls General Pershing and those inspirational words - Lafayette, we are at a conference!
none of us get to have our first choice on this matter
(The) One of us does.
Posted by: bgates | December 01, 2009 at 03:24 PM
commitment #1 - long term engagement - The Afghan people already feel we have one foot out the door.They are terrified of the Taliban/Narcotraficantes(they are one and the same).
commitment #2 - rough justice for drug traffickers - hang them in the central square
commitment #3 - erase corruption within the government - hang them from in the central square
commitment #4 - real justice, not the oligarchical version practiced by the warlords and Narcotraficantes. This is inherent to undermining the legitimacy of the Taliban in the South.
commitment #5 - security
commitment #6 - some form of economic opportunity for the people
These are pretty much right out of the COIN manual. The Taliban are basically like the FARC, but much more violent. 75% of the world's heroin comes from Afghanistan through Pakistan now, and this is a large part of their real effort against ISAF. A lot of the assaults are staged in order to draw ISAF away from the heroin trade.
Posted by: matt | December 01, 2009 at 03:30 PM
Constraint #1: BHO's/his fellow travelers' lies during the '08 campaign. Petard, own, hoisted.
I wonder if General Casey will write a letter of recommendation to the FAA for Hasan, y'know, to help him pick up the pieces and get on with his life:
GAO: The FAA needs diversity training to "provide employees an awareness of their differences -- including culture, work style and personal presentation -- and an understanding of how diverse perspectives can improve organizational performance," the GAO said.
Hasan'd add a healthy dose of wheelchair-borne diversity to the FAA, in addition to his own unique interpretations of "culture, work style and personal presentation."(WTF?!) Just imagine the rage-filled, insecurity-driven, delusional PowerPoint products he could crank out for the FAA...and they won't even require him to deploy!
Hmm. Is treason just another form of diversity?
Posted by: Mustang0302 | December 01, 2009 at 04:07 PM
Does anyone think if Afghanistan produced ZERO heroin, didn't have a single poppy, that the heroin addicts in the UK would stop using?
Posted by: PaulL | December 01, 2009 at 04:23 PM
You know what BHO really needs to sell this pig in poke? He needs a theme song! Raise everyone's morale! Like The People of the FAA, mmmm, mmmm, mmmm!
Gubm'nt employees: Sing or else! The floggings will continue until morale improves!
Posted by: Mustang0302 | December 01, 2009 at 04:45 PM
Finally!
Obama's Decision on the War
Or perhaps more appropriately put, a prime time speech to clarify Obama's War on Making a Decision.
Posted by: hit and run | December 01, 2009 at 04:58 PM
In late 2006, Gen. David Petraeus and Gen. James F. Amos released a brilliant book with a thrilling title. It was called the “Army/Marine Corps Field Manual 3-24.”
Sure, it's a boring title, but the sub-titles says it all:
Rubble Doesn't Make Trouble.
Posted by: BumperStickerist | December 01, 2009 at 04:59 PM
a brilliant book with a thrilling title
Since the title is not thrilling, the implication is that the book is not brilliant.
Imagine Brooks' reaction if Sarah Palin wrote a sentence that botched.
On second thought, imagine Brooks being dropped from a great height.
Posted by: bgates | December 01, 2009 at 05:29 PM
On second thought, imagine Brooks being dropped from a great height.
TWAP!
(Like 'teabagger,' apparently a term of affection among Anderson, AndiMuscleGlutes, and Shep!)
Posted by: Mustang0302 | December 01, 2009 at 05:49 PM
Beck says there is an unredacted report which very few have read that gives an entirely different view than the redacted one - whatever that means.
Posted by: Jane | December 01, 2009 at 05:50 PM
Say it ain't so, Sar'nt Major!
Posted by: Mustang0302 | December 01, 2009 at 05:59 PM
Went to tvguide.com to check the check for tonight's event. Apparently the local FOX station is showing only the first half, because the schedule shows "So You Think You Can Dance" at half-past. The amusing thing is that this caused the box for the Pres address to have the title truncated:
"Presidential Ad..."
Sounds about right.
Posted by: PD | December 01, 2009 at 06:57 PM
Happy birthday, Clarice, Topsecretk9, and Mrs. Hit and Run!
Posted by: Elliott | December 01, 2009 at 07:00 PM
If you don't want to watch Obama, Fred MacMurray and Charleton Heston are in The Far Horizons as Lewis and Clark on TCM at the same time.
Posted by: PD | December 01, 2009 at 07:01 PM
the field manual was put together by the best and brightest minds in the Army and entire counterinsurgency community, including economists political scientists, historians etc. It is only @ 3 years old and drew many of its conclusions from both Iraq and Afghanistan. This is what Obama is trashing tonight.
The man has just lost the war, as far as I'm concerned. LUN.
Posted by: matt | December 01, 2009 at 07:01 PM
Obama probably already knows he's going to be a one-term wonder. Therefore, his strategy (such as it is) is a win-win for us:
1. If we WIN using it, then that'll be peachy.
2. If we LOSE using it, then President Sarah Palin won't feel guilty about nuking Af-Pak back into the pre-Stone Age to solve the problem once and for all. "Hey, we tried to be nice, you betcha! But, nosireeee, those funny-lookin' guys didn't want to get with the program."
Works for me! :)
Posted by: MarkJ | December 01, 2009 at 07:02 PM
Thanks, Elliott...XOXOXOX
Posted by: clarice | December 01, 2009 at 07:04 PM
Allahpundit thinks Dick Cheney went too far in criticizing the O-in-Chief today, prior to the speech tonight. I wondered (without having heard Cheney's actual words yet) if DC might have been doing some preemptive commenting considering (I forget who) some were saying that the O-in-chief was going to blame Bush for Afghanistan being broken. Thoughts?
Posted by: Mike Huggins | December 01, 2009 at 07:05 PM
"It’s not the troop levels that matter. What matters is how this war will be fought."
Sheesh. Did Brooks even crack the cover of the Cliff's Notes Field Manual?
I culled a few ironies from Leslie Gelb's trailer for the New! Improved! Obama strategy over at QBlog in Thanks.....Mr. President?. There are plenty of ways to muck this up, but 30K+ troops is a whole lot better than I was expecting.
On the assumption that this will be the liveblogging thread, I propose drinking on any reference to the past, and on anything that can be remotely construed as a reference to exit planning in future. Drinking on I-me-mine is always a safe bet. As is any form of wrestling with decisions, making tough choices, yada, yada.
I have a monster bet down on Patreaus, here. I think the guy can do politics as well as war, or perhaps the politics which wagging war requires, and hope that the judiciously low profile he's been keeping has given him some elbow room with the Prez. It's certainly my impression that he's been in the room for all these Afghanistan seminars, not twiddling his thumbs in the hallway with McChrystal.
Can't remember where I read it, but apparently Canada was not on the President's call list of folks who merited a personal heads up on his decision -- like Russia and China. Canada got the news from Uncle Joe.
Posted by: JM Hanes | December 01, 2009 at 07:07 PM
Fortunately, my actual money is on Petraeus, not the typo challenged guy above.
Posted by: JM Hanes | December 01, 2009 at 07:12 PM
Mustang0302, an update has been added. In my opinion it raises more questions than it answers.
If you really want to feel bad about those who lead today's military, look at this.
"It is without hesitation, and with much conviction, that I endorse Senator Barack Obama for President of the United States of America. I am endorsing Senator Obama because I believe he is the best, most qualified and able candidate to serve as my commander-in-chief. He is the type of commander-in-chief that America’s soldiers need and deserve. Barack Obama will bring America the change we need."
LUN
Read the whole statement from CSM Jones and weep for our nation. I've never read as much BS as is in that short statement. My guess is any word of dissent in the Pentagon is in the President's ear within seconds.
Posted by: pagar | December 01, 2009 at 07:16 PM
Last night Greta was running some footage of Griff going out to the salon where Mrs. Gate Crasher spent 7 hours (!!) getting dolled up for the White House soiree. One of the people he talked to was the manager, who mentioned that Mr. Gate Crasher came in and claimed that he'd talked to a couple of employees who arranged with him that the services rendered would be complimentary! Unbelievable.
Griff asked the manager if Mr. G.C. paid up. She allowed as how he did ... eventually.
I guess Mr. & Mrs. are Democratics: Stick it to business owners if you can.
Posted by: PD | December 01, 2009 at 07:17 PM
Isn't David Brooks' analysis a perfect example of what Dick Cheney criticized Obama for yesterday? That Obama is mired in "small 'p' politics"? Basically, Brooks is begging us to sympathize with Obama because of "small 'p' politics" complexities.
It's like watching that annoying video of a staged weepy Hillary Clinton whining "It...it's hard! (sniff, sniff...)"
Posted by: Pasadena Phil | December 01, 2009 at 07:27 PM
In reading the one of the books on the Surge in Iraq, the bio of Petraeus said that his classmates at the Academy said he was running for president even then. Having said that, I have had some contact with him and he is as hard a charger as there is. He really does give back better than he gets in every situation. Hell of a leader.
Takes care of his people and his troops, when they are not pissed off at his supercompetitiveness, adore him.
He defines Airborne all the way. If I was a Washington insider, I would be very, very afraid.
Posted by: matt | December 01, 2009 at 07:35 PM
Obama's illegal aunt is requesting sympathy on Drudge right now. Hope it doesn't break any ones' heart to see the sob story. (sarc)
Posted by: pagar | December 01, 2009 at 07:40 PM
It's like watching that annoying video of a staged weepy Hillary Clinton whining "It...it's hard! (sniff, sniff...)"
Thanks for the reminder of that gem, Phil. I loved it when she did it, and still do. :-)
Posted by: Extraneus | December 01, 2009 at 07:52 PM
Happy Birthday Tops wherever you are.
I am still at work and will miss Obami's wonderful speech at West Point (he begins during my commute).
I am hoping for some color (or colorful) commentary on it, here!!
Posted by: centralcal | December 01, 2009 at 07:53 PM
Happy birthday, Clarice, Topsecretk9, and Mrs. Hit and Run!
I swear we celebrated at least one of those on Sunday. Well I'm game - happy HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
I say we should drink on "unprecedented" - unless we don't want to get drunk.
I was trying to avoid this speech and failed.
Posted by: Jane | December 01, 2009 at 07:55 PM
Matt,
I love hearing that about Petraeus. Love, love love it.
Posted by: Jane | December 01, 2009 at 07:58 PM
So how long do we think this monstrosity will go on? My guess is 37 minutes.
Posted by: Jane | December 01, 2009 at 08:00 PM
"I'd just like to begin with a shout out to ..."
Posted by: PD | December 01, 2009 at 08:02 PM
So you'll be live-blogging, Jane?
Posted by: Extraneus | December 01, 2009 at 08:04 PM
He's (left) looking (right) very (left) presidential (right) ...
Sounds to me like he's trying to make us think he can talk tough to people other than American business execs.
Posted by: PD | December 01, 2009 at 08:04 PM
JMH, what exactly does your monster bet entail?
Posted by: PaulL | December 01, 2009 at 08:06 PM
Iraq drew the dominant share of our resources away from Afghanistan.
Posted by: PD | December 01, 2009 at 08:06 PM
Oy, the jug eared marxist at West Point. Five minutes in and I simply can't take it any more.
I think I'll get the Grey Goose and take a shot everytime he says TOLLY-BON.
Posted by: verner | December 01, 2009 at 08:08 PM
Wow, taking shots at the previous Administration for his own campaign rehortic that "Afghanistan is the central front"?
And for the drinking game-every time he uses that odd inflection when he says Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Posted by: RichatUF | December 01, 2009 at 08:10 PM
He is incomprehensible to me, so I cannot live blog.
That's my excuse. I will try and contribute snark.
Like now, when he says it's all McChrystals fault for underestimating the mission.
Posted by: Jane | December 01, 2009 at 08:11 PM
"There has been no delay, or denial of resources."
Guess he's heard that there's been some criticism of his dithering.
Posted by: PD | December 01, 2009 at 08:11 PM
We're resolutely going to get in there and disrupt Al Qaeda and the Taliban, at least until we hightail it out of there, and the sooner the better. Beers all around!
Posted by: PD | December 01, 2009 at 08:14 PM
Obama lieing about not having the review already done once he got into office.
"Let me be clear"...
Wonder how our national security got polarized? Clinton dragged out Iraq for 8 years before the Bush Administration ended it? Never hear about that much...
Afghanistan, the place that 9-11 attacts were planned (except for Spain, Germany, and Florida)...
Posted by: RichatUF | December 01, 2009 at 08:15 PM
Lots of cadet eyelids appear to be drooping.
Probably wishing they could get out of there and back to the Xbox.
Posted by: PD | December 01, 2009 at 08:15 PM
"quickly"
"fastest possible pace"
Still trying to counter that unsubstantiated rumor that he's been dithering.
Posted by: PD | December 01, 2009 at 08:17 PM
Birthday felicitations to one and all. May you grow in happiness, health, and prosperity!
Posted by: matt | December 01, 2009 at 08:17 PM
verner-
O/T- I'm meeting the Lord thingie Saturday, at home.
Posted by: Melinda Romanoff | December 01, 2009 at 08:17 PM
"accelerate"
Hey, there's no way I've been spending my time golfing and partying instead of seeing to the needs of our troops.
Posted by: PD | December 01, 2009 at 08:18 PM
"The people of Afghanistan have endured violence for decades."
Heh. Decades, yeah. Like, all the way back to when that book Ghost Wars I read began.
Posted by: PD | December 01, 2009 at 08:20 PM
Now he is curing cancer. Not without those mammograms Bambi.
Posted by: Jane | December 01, 2009 at 08:20 PM
if he pronounce's it Pok-ee-ston, shouldn't he say off-gone-ee-ston?
Vodkapundit has the best lime yet, 30,000 troops for 30 months..that's not a strategy, it's a car warranty.
Posted by: matt | December 01, 2009 at 08:22 PM
Clarice!!! Happy 29th B-Day!!!
Posted by: verner | December 01, 2009 at 08:22 PM
1. Persue a military strategy until 2011-secure population centers and training. An international effort, and more troops from allies...
2. Work with the UN and our allies to persue a new civilian strategy. Throwing Karzi under the bus...good call?
3. Success in Afghanistan depends on success in Pakistan...committed to a new partnership with Pakistan...yea! Strong supporter of its prosperity and security
Posted by: RichatUF | December 01, 2009 at 08:23 PM
Great Melinda!!! Keep me posted!!!!
Posted by: verner | December 01, 2009 at 08:23 PM
Now he's going to address some of the concerns about the course he's plotting.
I sense a few straw men coming up.
Posted by: PD | December 01, 2009 at 08:23 PM
RichatUF! So glad to see you!
PaulL:
"JMH, what exactly does your monster bet entail?"
That Petraeus will persuade Obama to actually win this war.
Posted by: JM Hanes | December 01, 2009 at 08:24 PM
We're into the I/Me's now, but I liked him taking on the VietNam redux folks.
Posted by: JM Hanes | December 01, 2009 at 08:26 PM
Afghanistan is not another Vietnam, but Mr. Obama's policies combine with worst of Johnson and Nixon.
Posted by: matt | December 01, 2009 at 08:28 PM
He's gonna partner with al Qaeda?
Boy are they going to take us to the cleaners.
Posted by: Jane | December 01, 2009 at 08:30 PM
PETRAEUS 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: verner | December 01, 2009 at 08:30 PM
He's talking arms control, diplomacy, prohibition of torture, closing Gitmo, etc. now. He's gotten confused and thinks he's at the UN.
Posted by: PD | December 01, 2009 at 08:30 PM
If I were a west pointer, I'd be scared.
Posted by: Jane | December 01, 2009 at 08:31 PM
Is he proposing a war tax?
New approach in Afghanistan to cost $30 billion..."the nation I am most concered of building is our own"? Wha?
In how we prevent war...can't depend on military power alone (think that has been established for many years)...diplomacy...
A dull speech so far.
Prohibited torture and close Gitmo-living our value (?)...moral source of America's authority...appeal to FDR...
Posted by: RichatUF | December 01, 2009 at 08:32 PM
What the ...? He's giving his inaugural address or something. I feel like I'm watching A Tale of Two Speeches.
He's even pausing for applause. (Crowd finally realizes that's what he's waiting for and obliges.) Nose goes in the air.
Posted by: PD | December 01, 2009 at 08:33 PM
PETRAEUS 2012!!!!!
Note to Obama..."It's a Small World After All" Is neither a foreign policy, nor a defense strategy.
Posted by: verner | December 01, 2009 at 08:33 PM
From the guy who just defunded the folks doing the primary tracking of human rights abuses in Iran, and who has washed his hands of more dissidents than any president in memory, his shout out to folks suffering under tyrants is hard to take.
Posted by: JM Hanes | December 01, 2009 at 08:33 PM
HOLY COW. He just did the Clinton stick-out-the-lower-lip.
Posted by: PD | December 01, 2009 at 08:34 PM
Now that I'm president, we can't be divisive. Now that I'm president, we can unite!
Posted by: Sue | December 01, 2009 at 08:35 PM
Ed Morrissey says Canada was not among the allies which were consulted by Obama.
Here are the fatalities suffered by the major contributors to the mission in Afghanistan in absolute terms and per million population:
Canada 132/3.91
UK 235/3.85
USA 857/2.7
France 36/0.55
Germany 40/0.49
Denmark and Estonia have suffered the highest causalities per capita. Denmark, with 5 million people, has suffered 30 deaths and Estonia, with a population of 1.3 million, has suffered 6 deaths.
In the minds of liberals, the Obama administration is the very definition of smart. In truth, never has there been a bigger gap between an administration’s competence and its self- regard.
Posted by: Terry Gain | December 01, 2009 at 08:35 PM
"Right makes might."
Posted by: PD | December 01, 2009 at 08:35 PM
OMG...all my favorites are having a B-day!!
Happy, joy and blessings to clarice, tops and mrs. h/r
and....Obama has got to be programmed--no one with any self-respect could be this arrogant, self-serving, stupid in public!!!
Posted by: glenda | December 01, 2009 at 08:36 PM
He never said the word "victory".
Posted by: Jane | December 01, 2009 at 08:36 PM
Hm, it hasn't shown up, so I'll mention it again:
Clemmons has been shot dead.
Posted by: PD | December 01, 2009 at 08:38 PM
Blame Bush and America
I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I,
LIE, LIE, LIE
(oops slipped on the truth):
Afghanistan cannot be open-ended, because the nation that I am most interested in building is our own." Ha!
I Bless You. The End
Posted by: Ann | December 01, 2009 at 08:38 PM
He never said the word "victory".
Didn't want to lie about his goals.
Posted by: PD | December 01, 2009 at 08:39 PM
I'm watching Die Harder because it's more plausible than this pathetic effort, he clearly didn't understand Ghost Wars even the cliff note version,
BTW,Happybirthday,Clarice ,bumperstickerist,And Mr. and Mrs. Hit.
Posted by: narciso | December 01, 2009 at 08:40 PM
PD:
Well, then, it must be time for Ibama to say that the police acted stupidly.
Posted by: PaulL | December 01, 2009 at 08:41 PM
I got home for the end (except he kept going and going and going). Camera pans of audience showed quite a few closed eyes. Praying? Nodding off?
The grand flourish at the end - looking straight into the camera! A first? (or another teleprompter?)
Posted by: centralcal | December 01, 2009 at 08:42 PM
Prediction: his approval index goes down another few points after this abomination.
WHAT A MESS!!!
Posted by: verner | December 01, 2009 at 08:42 PM
He never said the word "victory".
And he probably never will unless Obamacare is passed, maybe, or if he is (heaven forbid) re-elected.
Posted by: Porchlight | December 01, 2009 at 08:43 PM
Rich! Where the heck've you been?
Missed you.
Posted by: Old Lurker | December 01, 2009 at 08:44 PM
From Instapundint, the text, already searched for the word "victory," which doesn't appear.
Posted by: Extraneus | December 01, 2009 at 08:44 PM
Now that I'm president, we can't be divisive. Now that I'm president, we can unite!
That really stood out to me also, Sue.
What Terry Gain said @ 8:35....
WHAT A MESS!!!
Amen Verner.
Posted by: glasater | December 01, 2009 at 08:48 PM
Well, I didn't learn anything I didn't know an hour ago, but I'm willing to cut him some slack tonight, because the folks he's got to neutralize on this are camped out on the left.
Posted by: JM Hanes | December 01, 2009 at 08:48 PM
JM Hanes-
Thanks. Been pretty busy.
Good grief, to the reporter that is "describing the scene", they are mostly cadets, and all professional, they aren't going to either delirious applaud or boo the President.
Looking for a rush transcript on Obama's speech and wanted to compare it to Bush's address to West Point in 2002?
His speech was pretty flat, took quite a few shots at the previous administration (seems that Kerry was laying the groundwork for that by bringing up OBL maybe, maybe-not in Tora Bora), threw the Karzi government under the bus (wonder if the Pakistani's and Taliban might exploit that gap?), set an artificial deadline of 2011, and defined success in such a way that not only do we have to get Afghanistan right but we are committed it straightening out Pakistan.
And now someone is saying it "was a beautiful speech"...hell I needed a cup of coffee to stay awake.
Posted by: RichatUF | December 01, 2009 at 08:49 PM
So is it to much to infer that theyactually prefer the Taliban to be the government in Afghanistan and Pakistan, as long as they don't kill 3,000 Americans all at once. Or is it only us bitter clingers that come to this conclusion
Posted by: narciso | December 01, 2009 at 08:50 PM
Old Lurker-
Had some duties regarding family that were taking up my time. Thanks for thinking of me.
Posted by: RichatUF | December 01, 2009 at 08:50 PM
Are my comments disappearing?
Extraneus thanks for the transcript link.
Posted by: RichatUF | December 01, 2009 at 08:52 PM
I'd rather he played them than us.
Posted by: Extraneus | December 01, 2009 at 08:52 PM
PD, Did Obama give him a shout-out?
"Black Muslim Group Celebrates “Brother & Martyr” Maurice Clemmons"
Posted by: pagar | December 01, 2009 at 08:55 PM
he's supposed to be the president of the country, JM....he is a simple panderer and charlatan who is losing more faith with the entire country every day...
Posted by: matt | December 01, 2009 at 08:55 PM
The Slick Willy lower lip puffed out made me gag.
I realized watching the very end of this that the one most enthralled and enraptured with his speech was Barack Obama. It is rather embarrassing.
Posted by: centralcal | December 01, 2009 at 08:56 PM
verner-
..."It's a Small World After All" Is neither a foreign policy, nor a defense strategy.
In the Obama White House, Winnie the Pooh calls the shots on foreign policy and national defense.
Posted by: RichatUF | December 01, 2009 at 09:00 PM
I'm on my way out for a few hours, but I have to ask: Did I just hear the President say that he is sending 30,000 troops for about 18 months and then cutting off the funding? Because that is what I took away from this snoozefest.
I have never seen such a sea of sour faces as I saw in the audience tonight.
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | December 01, 2009 at 09:01 PM
tWITTER is all atwitter that CHris matthews just called West Point "the enemy camp".
Posted by: Jane | December 01, 2009 at 09:02 PM
RichatUF:
I thought the sudden resurgence of the whole Tora Bora routine was bizarre enough to be deliberate too. Wish I could remember the whole list reasons I thought so though! It's of a piece with the NotBush/inherited mess/W-dropped-the-ball meme: Obama is not escalating the war, he's doing the job Bush should have done, etc. Pushing Tora Bora back on stage struck me as a kind of battlefield prep.
Posted by: JM Hanes | December 01, 2009 at 09:02 PM
So this is not my birthday, but forty years ago, I came into this country, from the land of the other articulate if not clean
and former attorney, when the former chose they chose hope over experience,
Also in the hell hath frozen over section, Fagan, actually says that Sarah's resignation was good for the future of the country, in a positive way
Posted by: narciso | December 01, 2009 at 09:02 PM
I just saw a Tweet that says that Chris Matthews called West Point the "enemy camp."
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | December 01, 2009 at 09:03 PM
I didn't hear it but everyone is tweeting that Chris Matthews said ""He went to the enemy camp tonight, to make the case."
If that is true, it is incredible.
Posted by: Ann | December 01, 2009 at 09:04 PM
My thanks to Rich and PD. Good to see you commenting again, Rich.
Posted by: Rick Ballard | December 01, 2009 at 09:04 PM
Ace:
Posted by: Sue | December 01, 2009 at 09:04 PM
I question the timing of this announcement.
Posted by: MilitantBanana | December 01, 2009 at 09:08 PM