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December 19, 2009

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clarice

And here I had hoped he'd decide his political future would be assured if he voted against it.

Jane

They want a health-care program that inevitably leads to a value-added tax and a permanent welfare state. Big government then becomes fact, and another Ronald Reagan becomes impossible. See Continental Europe.

What I can never figure out is what makes someone think like that.

narciso

Well I always suspected Birch Bayh's clean cut St. Albans educated scion, was a thin reed
to rest on, since he suddenly made a big deal against Rice's confirmation back in 2005. Only the likes of Zell Miller really seem dependable

Extraneus

He's not as smart as we had hoped. Must be the St. Albans connection.

Jim Ryan

What I can never figure out is what makes someone think like that.

For the leaders it's power, vanity and legacy, for their sheeple, it's envy.

he did not want to see the satisfied looks on the faces of Republican leaders

If you don't have a political philosophy, what else is there other than envy and power?

It won't strike Dems as an odd attitude for Bayh to take, any more than it is odd for Dems to protest supposed invasions of privacy by Bush but not by Obama, as Po mention. When the part of the brain responsible for critical moral and political thought is missing, the mind is unable to see anything odd about these things.

A moral and political philosophy necessarily takes a variety of valuable principles into account and tries to strike balances in action and policy amongst them, so as not to neglect or overly emphasize any of them. Amongst these principles liberty, private property, prosperity, fiscal responsibility, honesty, charity, and so on.

There isn't the slightest bit of evidence that the Democratic Party and its supporters have a moral and political philosophy. None of the principles I listed shows up in their deliberations and actions as counting for anything. They care only about increasing state power and enrichment of their chosen elite groups. They speak about charity in the form of redistribution of wealth but this is by now clearly a ruse to prevent the gullible from recognizing their two sole concerns.

Most Americans recognize and appreciate a good moral and political philosophy. By wearing such a thing on its sleeve and sticking with it in deed, the GOP could do itself an immense favor next fall. That's what avoiding politics as usual means. "Repeal!" will otherwise ring hollow. It needs leaders who makes an immediate and deep impression upon their audience that they instinctively harbor a sound moral and political philosophy, as well as grasp the practical necessity of repealing the abhorrent policies of the Dems. Palin is an example. There are some others.

Such a philosophy isn't rocket science. It's common-sense conservatism.

clarice

Dodd,Bayh, the Kennedys--like father like son.

Ignatz

Let's not forget Gore on that list clarice.

clarice

Doug Ross throws up some charts which demonstrate beyone peradventure of doubt while tort reform will never make it in a Dem "reform" bill.
LUN

narciso

Dodd pere, despite some faults, seems to have been a 'fairly good egg' even a staunch rightist like Taylor Caldwell, dedicated the novel about Cicero, Pillar of Iron, to JFK,
Goldwater and Dodd Sr. parallels between that period and the current era, are totally intentional. Junior, seems to be the worst of both world, a leftist and a corrupt
apparatchik, else why did Cassano earmark funds for his chairmanship

Porchlight

I think many liberal Dems honestly believe in good government and that their party helps out the little guy. They're wrong, of course. But they honestly believe it.

The leftists, on the other hand, pursue power. Totally different deal. Rank and file libs are useful idiots for these people. Obama is in the second category as is everyone he surrounds himself with.

Elliott

When is GuantanaMoline (GitMoline, for short) going to open?

clarice

'Let's not forget Gore on that list clarice'
OOPS, good catch..

and I meant to say WHY tort reform won't be included.

Elliott, I bet there'll be a number of efforts to stop the transfer of anyone from Gitmo to the US. Remember Congres must approve each such transfer.

Jim Ryan

liberal Dems honestly believe in good government and that their party helps out the little guy.

If we had a healthy American polity, these would be the left wing, with no one to their left. They are not genuine leftists because they do not envy or crave power. These are people who have an American moral and political philosophy, albeit one distorted by a bleeding heart. They can help clean up this mess.

The trouble is they will have to be wide awake and not muddled to do so. It is difficult to avoid being muddled if one is a fool for shysters who prey upon one's bleeding heart. Arousing guilt in them (first black president, little guy, etc.), they shysters make them go back to sleep.

Porchlight

Good analysis, Jim Ryan.

Ann

I have been walking around all day feeling like the Grinch stole Christmas.

I am not surprised about Evan Bayh. His rejection of Condi Rice was upsurd and mean. But where the heck is the Sr. Senator for West Virginia, Robert Carlyle Byrd. The man that carried a copy of the U.S. Constitution in his pocket everyday of his long life. (At this point, I would bet he is dead and they are covering it up.)

Narciso: It has been a very busy day here in snowy Columbus. I just went to our mailbox and found your card. xxxooo

laura

Jim,
It is unfortunate that a good heart and an overarching desire for some sort of justice, no matter how wrong headed has led to the turning of the American liberal into nothing but a dupe. The very large problem as I see it is that our educational system has used its power to frame the solutions in socialist terms. I don't know how we escape 30 years of brainwashing.

Ann

Correction: I really made my husband go to the mailbox with the dog. Hey, it is cold and snowy here too. :)

matt

there is no "good government" movement any more. We have, as P.J. O'Rourke said, a Parliament of Whores. What we are seeing just confirms the facts.

The Dem's have legislated and litigated their way into this mess. We have to use the same tactics, only more persuasively and successfully. We actually have the facts and the Constitution on our sides. There is no mercy. There is no quarter given. This is a fight for the soul of our nation.

Believe me, after just returning from a capitalist/mercantilist dictatorship, I know what we are losing.

Universal/Single payer health care has been the Holy Grail of the Left for 40 years, and now they can smell success. It is incumbent upon us to fight this thing.

Many lives will be lost and our childrens future is at stake if we sit idle. I hate saying these things. I detest politics. But the reality is that these scum mean to ram this down our throats and then anything they damn well please. We will see the loss of our Republic.

Maybe it's 40 hours since I slept, but I just keep on putting 1 + 1 together and getting 13....Logic has gone completely out the window. Reading Chardin and CP Snow and Lewis didn't help.

One of the guys I was in Asia with is a Carly Fiorina Republican. I looked at him like a Martian. She destroyed Bell Labs and then HP and this guy, a technologist, thinks she could be a good Senator. God help us all.

Porchlight

matt, it's all pretty depressing. May I ask what CP Snow you are reading? He is one of my favorites. A good liberal of the old sort.

Ann, I pray your inner Grinch becomes like the Grinch at the end of the book, not the beginning. But I know your heart is very big already. :)

Ignatz

I think there are more leftists and fewer liberals than we think. Joe Lieberman would have been considered a leftist 50 years ago. After the scum of the sixties rose to the top what passes for a moderate nowadays, Olympia Snowe, Evan Bayh would be way left of the Dems hero JFK; a tax cutting, commie killing, missile gapping, NRA life member.

narciso

Well anytime I would consider Carly Fiorina, for high office,I remember how many times I've cursed this HP terminal, and there is a certain perspective that is obtained on the matter.

Ignatz

--Well anytime I would consider Carly Fiorina, for high office..--

Believe me narciso, if the alternative is bonehead Babs Boxer, pulling the lever for Fiorina, or Jonah Goldberg's carnival chicken, for that matter, would be a highlight of the year.

Jim Ryan

Laura, yes, some are lost causes. They are leftists now, no longer liberals. Others still have a spark of understanding within them. They keep voting Dem but they know something's wrong. GOP should help them put their finger on what's wrong. But that takes communicators like Reagan and Palin, of which there are few. It's very hard to find someone who can speak rousingly of good political values. It's easy to find a leftist demagogue who can speak rousingly of his snake oil.

The very nature of what the leftist is selling makes it easy to sell. All you have to do is look flashy and foment envy and resentment. Simple. Sold.

To speak rousingly of the variety of values good conservatism seeks to protect is not easy. You have to simplify what is complex, make what a life spent grasping them sees understandable to someone who hasn't been paying enough attention. Look at the members of Congress who have a strong grasp of these values but cannot sell them on camera.

That's why it's tough to keep the republic. You have to compete in the art of selling against able snake-oil salesmen.

Ignatz

--To speak rousingly of the variety of values good conservatism seeks to protect is not easy.--

Agreed, Jim. It's also a sure path to failure because it is defensive and cedes the field to the left.
OTOH, it's very simple to explain what of the left's idiocies should be repealed. Automatically they're playing on our field and are on defense. Until and unless the GOP gets that, they and the country are doomed.

narciso

Very true, half a century ago, the most advanced nation in Latin America's gambled on an articulate, if not necessarily clean atty
who didn't practice, basing it on 'hope over a experience; forty years later, another affluent nation, which should have checked the fine print, fell for 'Wile E Coyote in a Red Beret' and ten years later. . .as they say to be continued.

Porchlight

One of the guys I was in Asia with is a Carly Fiorina Republican.

Reminds me of my boss, who once described himself as an "Andrew Sullivan conservative." I nearly screamed. My boss listens to nothing but NPR and has never voted other than Democrat in his life. I asked him to pray tell me one single position taken by Sullivan that could be described as conservative.

Ignatz

--I asked him to pray tell me one single position taken by Sullivan that could be described as conservative.--

A wide stance?
Larry Craig thought it was pretty conservative.

laura

Jim,
I really despair at times, people who should know better and certainly display a grasp of reality in their everyday lives succumb to the leftist claptrap as preached by the politicians and talking heads no less blindly than the rats following the pied piper. The only way I know how to change their minds is with the personal appeal and anecdote they comprehend followed by facts that forces them to rethink what they think they know, because in most cases they really don't know any facts and they most certainly don't have any grasp of underlying beliefs.
I remember seeing PJ O'Rourke speak one time and he said that liberals had an easy sell since everyone wanted to be nice and doing good things for others. That was 20 years ago. I wonder if he still thinks they want to be doing the right thing.

bad

...one single position taken by Sullivan that could be described as conservative.

The missionary????? Nah.........my mistake.

matt

Porch;

I was reading "The Two Cultures" about the disconnect between hard science and the "educated community".

Sort of like the effect of understand the implications of Iran's 2 stage solid propellant delivery capacity on Israel's right of existence.

You see, in conference rooms in Israel and less and less in this country, implications were discussed and responses calibrated.

I believe Israel is faced with an existential confrontation whether they like it or not.

Porchlight

Ignatz and bad are on the same page tonite...lol

narciso

I'm glad you liked it Ann, it was a small thing I could do, for your kind gesture.

Jim Ryan

Sounds like my mom, who's contact with conservatism consists in scanning David Brooks columns.

Ignatz, I know nothing of political strategy. I do know that Reagan was a great communicator because of his philosophical eloquence. He was no member of the party of no. Of course attack, but you have to articulate an alternative that decent Americans will instinctively know is real depth and also common sense.

If the GOP runs only on how wrongheaded and impractical the Dems are, they'll lose. All the snake-oil salesman has to say is "yes we can" and the sheeple will be satisfied. You have to sell the alternative - small government which does little - by showing how only it resonates with all the values the voter knows instinctively are right.

You have to show how the Dems' policies are deeply and multifacetedly immoral while small government is right. And you have to do it with simple eloquence, a smile and a twinkle in the eye.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Nebraska Republicans Set Up “Give Ben the Boot” Website

The announcement today officially ended Nelson’s career in Nebraska, at least according to this latest poll, via Leavenworth Blog:

“If Senator Ben Nelson votes in favor of this plan, would that make you more likely or less likely to support Senator Nelson when he runs for re-election?”

More likely: 26%
Less Likely: 61%

Elliott

I don't know, bad. His website this week was quite admissionary.

Jim Ryan

one single position taken by Sullivan that could be described as conservative.

That we should kill bad guys? He was for it before he was against it. Before the dementia set in. Haven't read a word of him since.

narciso

It seems the holiday from history, will be quite short, as this dispatch from across the seas would indicate, in the LUN

Jim Ryan

Laura, thanks for trying to convince liberals. You are probably doing enormous good, more than you know at the time.

PD

When is GuantanaMoline (GitMoline, for short) going to open?

I take it you're referring to the prison that's 20 miles from one of our nuclear reactors?

Good thinking by the democrats.

PD

Believe me narciso, if the alternative is bonehead Babs Boxer

Ahem. That's *Senator* Babs if you please.

Jim Ryan

PD, she worked really hard for that "bonehead" appellation. So, if you please....

Ann

LOL, Porchlight. I have such a way with words, don't I?

Have you seen this pathetic attempt by the GOP: "GOP Call To Action: This Is Our Last Chance To Stop Government Run Health Care

It is so embarrassing to me. Don't you feel like they are blaming us for this carp. We better hop to and get off the sidelines or else. Sheesh, Clean the House and Senate. Vote Them All Out. Time for Talk is Over Alright. Time for All Senators to Find a New Job
********************************************
Smooches, Narciso

PD
TEHRAN, Iran — After months of denials, Iran acknowledged Saturday that at least three people detained in the country's postelection turmoil were beaten to death by their jailers.

I assume President B+ will be inveighing against this any minute now.

narciso

Oh, good god, that was embarassing, are they going for an "I am Spartacus" feel, when too many of those, have given the legions the directions to the camp. Some have been valuable like Coburn and Demint, but most have been deadweight, like Lindsay, Kay (who voted against cloture, this last time around)

PD

Fraud in Europe's Cap and Trade System a 'Red Flag,' Critics Say

The top cops in Europe say carbon-trading has fallen prey to an organized crime scheme that has robbed the continent of $7.4 billion -- a massive fraud that lawmakers and energy experts say should send a "red flag" to the U.S., where the House approved cap-and-trade legislation over the summer amid stiff opposition.

I say it's silly to worry that a similar result could obtain here. Congressional oversight will ensure that the program will be clean as a whistle.

Elliott

That is the one, PD.

Clarice, I expect you are right. I wonder whether the administration made its announcement not only to satisfy the one year deadline but also to provide vulnerable Democrats an issue on which they could demonstrate their willingness to break with Obama.

Pofarmer

"Such a philosophy isn't rocket science. It's common-sense conservatism."

Ain't enough of em, and when someone DOES espouse it, they are hounded unmercifully.

narciso

How do you tell who's the crook in this enterprise, it's like Michael Corleone going
after the Sindona manque in Godfather 3

Charlie (Colorado)

Call me a "crazy bircher" then.

Gee, this guy sounds familiar.

Pofarmer

"Sheesh, Clean the House and Senate. Vote Them All Out. Time for Talk is Over Alright. Time for All Senators to Find a New Job "

Folks, be DAMN CAREFUL with that talk. It could very well be the political equivalent of unilateral disarmament.

Jim Ryan

My first jazz gig? A picnic, 1980. It was the John Birch society. I'm 15, I don't know what the hell it is. They have a map of Central America up and and yammering about it.

I also met Jimmy Hoffa in 1970.

I'm just sayin'.

MilitantBanana

Keep your powder dry, boys and girls. I suspect all too soon it will be needed.

Jim Ryan

Yes, that Jimmy Hoffa. The one who's an off-ramp now.

MilitantBanana

I imagine our grandparents and great grandparents didn't realize what rights they were giving up and stealing from their grandchildren. What will our grandchildren say about us?

Hopefully they will be asking us to tell them war stories from the second civil war that resulted in the restoration of the Constitution.

Ann

squaredance sounds a lot like a fellow poster by the name of "amused bystander" or something like that. Does anyone remember the name? I found myself agreeing with everything he/she said and then they disappeared from the grief we gave em.

narciso

Yes, then again, more than a few commenters including Po and even my sunny self, feel that
despondent at times. In the LUN, a postscript
from the Afghanistan thread of why the Times
dotes on Holbrooke

bgates

carbon-trading has fallen prey to an organized crime scheme

The same thing happened to extortion and racketeering.

Before they were renamed "carbon-trading", too.

Frau Ausgang

"Carly Fiorina Republican ... She destroyed Bell Labs and then HP and this guy, a technologist, thinks she could be a good Senator."

Let Forina destroy Boxer by any means. Boxer came in using dirty shenanigans, and she has earned a dirty ouster. If this is the best candidate available to do it, so be it.

squaredance

Fiorina is just another Boxer. They are the same thing.

Here: Fiorina=Boxer. Get it?

She is a liberal. She has screwed up everything she has touched. Bell Labs, once a great American institution, is now owned by the French.

Get it? Goodness, how obtuse can you be?

"Carly" will just pursue another form of nincompoopery, and she will vote with the left.

We will be right back were we started. You are just validating institutionalizing mediocrity and buffoonery. Just look at her: She is possibly loonier than Babs Boxer. She is quite out of her mind.

"Carly" is a joke. You might as well elect your pet cat.

This is a just stupefying rationalization away the Right's impotence to imagine that replacing one vile, self-serving, liberal idiot with another vile, self-serving, liberal idiot is some sort of advance.

It is not. It is an admission of defeat.

More meaningless yammering away by the JOM crowd.

Jim Ryan

Fiorina is just another Boxer. They are the same thing.

Here: Fiorina=Boxer. Get it?

She is a liberal. She has screwed up everything she has touched. Bell Labs, once a great American institution, is now owned by the French.

Get it? Goodness, how obtuse can you be?

"Carly" will just pursue another form of nincompoopery, and she will vote with the left.

We will be right back were we started. You are just validating institutionalizing mediocrity and buffoonery. Just look at her: She is possibly loonier than Babs Boxer. She is quite out of her mind.

"Carly" is a joke. You might as well elect your pet cat.

This is a just stupefying rationalization away the Right's impotence to imagine that replacing one vile, self-serving, liberal idiot with another vile, self-serving, liberal idiot is some sort of advance.

It is not. It is an admission of defeat.

More meaningless yammering away by the JOM crowd TKO.

FTFY.

Jack is Back!

Last evening, braving the eastern Long Island blizzard of 2009, we had dinner at Pierre's in Bridgehampton, with our friends, one of whom is a physician. During coffee, I asked her what she thought of the Senate getting the 60 to pass this carbunckle of sorry legislation. She laughed and said " I'll now get paid more." To which I replied, "yeah in worthless scrip made in China". She nodded her head and admitted that all this is very short-lived. It is her feeling that medical as a profession will dry up except for the 3rd world Africans, Asians and Eastern Europeans - that is where the docs will be coming from in the near future. She just doesn't see medicine being a viable upper-middle class profession any longer. I told her that I don't even see a middle class any longer. To channel someone's comment here once on JOM - we will soon become the "healthiest 3rd world country" in the world.

Rush was right: Elections have consequences. And we have been duped. Forget 9/11. That was nothing to the bankruptcy of America. Remember or try to forget the day we get this act as a fait accompli.

Luigi Spaghetti

"You might as well elect your pet cat."

You are way off base, I don't even have a cat.

AL

1. “…making value added tax inevitable…”

You wish. VAT is much better way to finance governing than, say, progressive income tax.

What you are facing in near future is federal confiscatory-rate property tax…

2. Israel will steal F-22 and deliver it to Russians to assure start of operation of Bushehr reactor. Think Chernobyl to assure MAD.

3. Unemployment among black youth in US is 30%, compared to unemployment of college degree graduates of 5%. Obama/pelosy/reid policy is killing their base. You know, women and minorities are affected the most meme…

narciso

But they won't replace the income tax they will add on to it. If the Russians had the VVER-40 reactor prototype, the one they tried
to set up at Juragua, we would be less worried. The Iranian bomb, will make the Egyptian, Saudi, Algerian programs inevitable, which is the last thing they want. So that might be the eggnog talking

clarice

" I wonder whether the administration made its announcement not only to satisfy the one year deadline but also to provide vulnerable Democrats an issue on which they could demonstrate their willingness to break with Obama."

No, I think Holder made that announcment because he really believed that anti-Bush rhetoric about Gitmo and military tribunals. His ratinale was stupid and his failure to discuss this with HS, the NY Senators, the lawyers who took the other side, for example, suggests to me he is not very smart.

clarice

The real cost according to the GBO is $2.5 trillion.
LUN

PD

I also met Jimmy Hoffa in 1970.

Never met him, but I once rode in his bullet-proofed Lincoln Continental when I was a kid. Or at least the person who had it claimed that it used to belong to him.

Jim Ryan

PD, my grandfather introduced me in the St. Louis airport. Hoffa says, "Would you like my autograph, son?" I replied, "Not particularly." He and my grandfather had a good laugh.

Bikerken

Have you ever noticed that the original reason that this bill just HAD to be passed is that there is a healthcare CRISIS. There are over 40 million people who have no healtcare!!! God help them! How can a human being deny them that?? OMG!!

Then they introduce a bill that doesn't cut premiums, doesn't cover everyone and only serves to put the govt in charge of the system. When you hear them argue the merits of the case, they unwittingly let the cat out of the bag, "The insurance companies are evil and need to go away!" This has always been about socializing the medical industry in the US. That's why this has been written by only a few politicans behind closed doors. So much for Obama's transparency pledge. When will the democrats admit to just being socialists?

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