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December 15, 2009

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Matthew Crandall

How about a sixth category, "The Disillusioned": those who thought that the climate scientists were at least intellectually honest, instead of the hoard of kool-aid drinking true believers they actually turned out to be. I mourn the way Briffa got shoe-horned into hiding the decline!

narciso

He leaves out climategate as part of the calculus, so how good ia his evaluation

Pofarmer

Holy Carp.

Question was asked on an ag site what everybodies electric rate was. Mine is .065 KWH. One member from Denmark, the "green energy" capital chimed in............$.335 KWH.

Rick Ballard

"I mourn the way Briffa got shoe-horned into hiding the decline!"

How was Briffa "shoehorned"? Do you believe that someone twisted his arm to do the cherry picking on the Yamal series? The Wegman Report came out two years ago. What constrained Briffa from disassociating himself from the Jerks of the Inner Circle within Climate Scientology at that point?

What makes Briffa worth mourning?

Ignatz

--Mine is .065 KWH.--

Ours is .119 under about 1000KWs per month rising to .131 for anything between 1% and 30% over that and even higher beyond that.
If you asked any of our pointy headed bureaucrats why CA uses less electricity than other states they would tout all sorts of gov boondoggles and cost sharing programs.
They're half right if only indirectly; the truth is it is primarily the good old price mechanism which results from their idiotic boondoggles.

Fritz

There is a 7th group which includes Minnesotans for Global Warming and Canadians suffering through record cold temperatures. We do not care whether global warming is man-made or natural - WE JUST WANT MORE OF IT and hurry.

Extraneus

What makes Briffa worth mourning?

Must have been a joke.

Les Nessman

Or "The Scammers", who don't care about AGW but are scheming ways to fleece money from anyone.
Or "The Governmentalists" who may or may not believe in AGW but are pleased with the prospect of more govt control over everyone. Funny how the Warners, Calamatists and Scammers all end up in this camp.

boris

"What makes Briffa worth mourning?"

One theory is that Briffa was peer pressured into a conflict of conscience and was the CRU whistleblower.

Charlie (Colorado)

Rick: Do you believe that someone twisted his arm to do the cherry picking on the Yamal series?

Yes. in fact he complains about the arm-twisting. See my piece, the Steve McIntyre piece, or the Daily Mail piece.

Pofarmer

Ours is .119 under about 1000KWs per month rising to .131 for anything between 1% and 30% over that and even higher beyond that.

Now THAT is just such an awesome way to encourage industry.

What a bunch of maroons.

Charlie (Colorado)

Roger Pielke Jr writes about this, and notes it's his dad who is a climate scientist; RPJr is a political scientist.

I mean, his degree is actually in Political Science. Not "political scientist" like Jim Hansen.

Rick Ballard

Boris,

McIntyre has been pointing out the discrepancies and cherry picking used by Briffa and Juckes and Osborn and Mann and... well, there at least 30 of them, for years and years (there are 11 pages of results to that search string on Climate Audit). One might be pleased that a member of a gang of bank robbers finally turned on his accomplices but after ten years of them robbing banks it's difficult (for me, at any rate) to mourn the fact that the accomplice was knowingly involved.

I don't place Briffa at the same level of deceit and corruption as Hansen, Wigley, Jones and Mann but he was in very deep.

Pofarmer

I don't see anywhere where Pielke Jr. is a political scientist.

I spent 8 years as a staff scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in their Environmental and Societal Impacts Group (now called ISSE). I have a B.A. in mathematics, an M.A. in public policy and a Ph.D. in political science, all from the University of Colorado. In 2007 I was on sabbatical at the James Martin Institute for Science and Civilization at Oxford University.

He has done a lot of Climate science research.

MayBee

yeah, Ignatz. I keep trying to figure out why plug-in electric cars are supposed to appeal to CA consumers. Getting away from foreign oil is good, but charging a Volt every nigh is surely going to be hugely expensive.

narciso

Slightly OT, does anyone suspect at some point Arnold was replaced by the T-1000.
that would explain a lot

MikeS

but charging a Volt every nigh is surely going to be hugely expensive.

Worse, there is no surplus of electricity in California that can be used to charge a large fleet of electric vehicles.

Paul Zrimsek

What, no lukewarmers?

jwest

Pofarmer,

In Michigan, I paid .084 for the first 1821 KWHs, then .139 for the next 6883 KWHs. There is a rate drop over 10,000 KWHs per month, but we only hit that once and the bills are buried in the files.

Pofarmer

Michigan, I paid .084 for the first 1821 KWHs, then .139 for the next 6883 KWHs

That figures, hit small businesses the hardest. I've got to work hard to use over 4000KWH per month.

jwest

Pofarmer,

Those were the numbers from my house. The only thing Al Gore and I have in common are our utility bills.

At the business, we buy primary power and use our own transformers. Guess I should look into that for the house too.

Pofarmer

Those were the numbers from my house. The only thing Al Gore and I have in common are our utility bills.

At the business, we buy primary power and use our own transformers. Guess I should look into that for the house too.

Dunno what your business is(none of my business) but, my guess is that there are lot of small businesses that are paying essentially retail rates and falling within that 10,000 kwh per month. I know here at least, for farms and small businesses on the rural grid, there's no distinctions between types of loads. Now, I know that Illinois does offer some discounts for power use that is primarily seasonal, like grain drying.

jwest

Pofarmer,

Now you’ve got me thinking…..(a scary prospect)

Our little neighborhood has 15 homes served by underground utilities all fed from the primary lines at the entrance of our road. I’m going to find out what a used transformer substation would cost (perhaps from a recently defunct mall) and calculate the difference of buying the 25,000 volt power on a wholesale basis.


Pofarmer

I’m going to find out what a used transformer substation would cost (perhaps from a recently defunct mall) and calculate the difference of buying the 25,000 volt power on a wholesale basis.

Capitalism is just the best.

sbw

Yeah, jwest. Have you ever priced moving a high voltage power line even a short distance?

Pofarmer

Yeah, jwest. Have you ever priced moving a high voltage power line even a short distance?

Sounds like it would just involve putting in a different transformer and changing the metering arrangements. I imagine the problem would be getting the utility company to go for the deal.


MDr

"But is Big Al a mere Warner, or is he a Calamitist?"

Both. High Priest for the Calamatist and shaman for the Warners. Or is that charlatan? Never could get those two straight.

jwest

Have you ever priced moving a high voltage power line even a short distance?

Actually, I had one buried for 2500 feet back in the boom times around ’97. We had just built new offices and the power line detracted from the aesthetics. For the neighborhood application, there isn’t any problem because the primary line is right in front of where we would site the substation.

Also, we’ve got one of the executives of the power company living in the neighborhood.

It will be interesting to run the numbers to see what (if any) savings can be had. The rates and rules on primary power are complex, so it will probably seem like a good idea until the actual bills start to come in.


Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

They quote the warners in apocalyptic terms, and they view denialists as deeply evil. The technology critic Jeremy Rifkin speaks in this manner, and the writer-turned-activist Bill McKibben is a (fairly gentle) leader in this category.

Ah yes. Jeremy. He was on my floor when I was a RA in the Freshman dorm of University of Pennsylvania. He was a provocateur then as he is now. He is one few people I know who is, as a 60 something, working at the same stuff he was working on as a college freshman.

sbw

working at the same stuff he was working on as a college freshman

Ah. Never grew up.

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