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Jim Ryan

a bit of public support

Nov 1, 2010

VOTER 1: How can you be voting Dem? They're spending us into bankruptcy.

VOTER 2: Are you kidding me? Obama got into the White House and froze spending and even made cuts. It's been all over the news this election season. You wingnuts are all the same with your Faux News and your weird little blogs where you get your "facts."

bgates

some programs will see an expansion of funding while others will actually be cut back

He's going to go line-by-line. There will actually be a net spending cut.

sbw

A memory problem: Raise spending so you can freeze it the next session and claim economy.

Life is simple for livestock when history begins at dawn.

Danube of Thought

Like a goldfish: every trip around the bowl is a new adventure.

Cecil Turner

Hey, not to worry, the deficit is already coming down:

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said the deficit for the current fiscal year will come in at $1.35 trillion, a slight improvement over the $1.38 trillion it predicted last August. But it warned that rapidly rising federal debt could strangle the economy if Obama and Congress do not raise revenue or cut spending.

The deficit is slightly lower than the record $1.4 trillion posted in the last fiscal year, which ended in September 2009, but at 9.2 percent of gross domestic product, it still hovers at levels not been seen since World War Two.

But that apparently doesn't include the $155 billion proposed for Porkulus II™, which would come to, let's see . . . $1.5 Trillion. But if the President's freeze saves $250 billion over ten years, that'd knock it down to . . . $1.5 Trillion. It's in the round-off error (which ain't exactly inspirin').

centralcal

Don't know how long it will last, but HuffPo is in full dudgeon mode over the freeze.

They even have a really goofy photo of Potus and VPotus below their red screaming headlines.

Sue

Speaking of funny...you have to go to <http://dctrawler.dailycaller.com/2010/01/25/president-obama-spends-some-quality-time-with-his-favorite-person/>DC Trawler with Jim Treacher. President Obama spends some quality time with his favorite person.

The photo actually came off the WH photo site. The man is a buffoon.

Sue

http://dctrawler.dailycaller.com/2010/01/25/president-obama-spends-some-quality-time-with-his-favorite-person/>DC Trawler

narciso

McCain is endorsing it, I don't think for the schadenfreude effect though

MikeS

I think Dems will try to portray this freeze and business oriented tax cuts as an outreach to Repubs. In today's WaPo Eugene Robinson tried to portray Obama's $12 per week tax cut for those making under $250k as such an outreach.

The Republican counter offer ought to be to accept the outreach as long as it is PAID FOR by cutting $155 billion worth of pork and political payoffs from the unspent portion of last year's $787 Billion stimulus.

clarice

Bo thinks Brooks is inspiration for the SOTU address:http://bigjournalism.com/boobama/2010/01/26/arf-arf-barry-and-bo-work-on-the-state-of-the-union-while-axelrod-fiddles-and-rahm-burns/>arf arf

Jack is Back!

This just in: congress rejects forming a bi-partisan commission on reducing the deficit. What's next a blue ribbon Presidential commission headed by Uncle Joe? Saw somewhere where Biden and 11 other senators are rated more liberal on taxing and spending then even Bernie Saunders. So, Uncle Joe is the perfect fit.

narciso

It appears Buckley fils has expelled the Ceti Alpha 6 slug, but I could be wrong

PaulL

I hope Ibama will consider being a fantastic two-year President, rather than just a good one-termer. His rank in history would be assured as the Greatest President of the 21st Century were he to resign and leave Biden to fill the vacated position.

clarice

I saw that , narciso, but I say "too late,you creep."

MikeS

I don't think Dems will claim that the President forgot that he campaigned against a freeze. They will offer an explanation for his change of mind. Part of the explanation will be some statement about Bush's fault and Republicans are A-holes.

JM Hanes

narciso:

"Pitney seemed to miss the point of the protests, in that question he was given"

He was chiefly serving as a conduit for information. HuffPo supplied the platform and the press credentials. The continuous coverage made him the logical person to contact with videos, emails, with readers who could help with translation, etc., so he was able to provide a lot more content than most. He didn't really try to do analysis, and I liked the fact that he didn't indulge in political commentary. For Obama, HuffPo was obviously the best pick if you want to give a shout out to the lefty side of the blogosphere too.

As MSM coverage wound down, I discovered Enduring America. They have far more depth and are still doing almost daily coverage of Iran, often with posts that are updated as events on the ground unfold (meaning you have to read posts from the bottom up). I haven't followed their coverage of Israel/Palestine so I can't speak for the quality of their reporting on that score, but the Iranian stuff is always interesting. They frequently deconstruct the conventional wisdom that dominates MSM coverage which is edifying.

JM Hanes

Oops, wrong thread, sorry! I'll cross post it on "Incredible Pressure."

Danube of Thought

I'm awfully glad that bi-partisan commission crap is going nowhere. That job is for the congress itself to do. Besides, it's nothing more than an effort to get Repubs involved in tax increases.

Jerry K

"Part of the explanation will be some statement about Bush's fault and Republicans are A-holes."

That was already taken care of ealier today (LUN):

"
Dems pin CBO numbers on Bush and GOP
By Michael O'Brien - 01/26/10 01:09 PM ET

Democrats pinned a new budget report Tuesday showing high deficits and a "muted" economic recovery on GOP control of the White House and Congress over the past decade.

House Democratic leaders said a report by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) showing a $1.35 trillion deficit in 2010 was the result of policies put in place by President George W. Bush and Republicans in Congress, who controlled the House and Senate until the 2006 elections.

"Today’s CBO report is a clear reminder of the Bush and Republican Congress-era policies that have resulted in the loss of millions of jobs, led to the worst recession since the Great Depression, and turned record surpluses under the Clinton Administration into record deficits," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said in a statement."

sbw

congress rejects forming a bi-partisan commission on reducing the deficit.

. . . and in return proposes a bi-partisan commission to reform the Executive Branch . . . posturing which they expect the President to reject.

anduril

John Carney at Clusterstock says Obama Blazes The Path To Economic Suicide.

Carney considers Obamanomics from both Keynsian and Hayekian perspectives and says his policies are disastrous from either perspective, concluding:

Hayekians would prefer to allow a downturn to run its course. It’s not just that old misallocations must be corrected. New ideas and products must be invented, the factories must be retooled, worker retrained. As they are, the economy recovers and begins to grow again.

This process, however, can be thwarted not only by bad government policies that stimulate the wrong things. The government can also stand athwart recovery by actively reducing the amount of capital available for private investment through tax hikes, over-aggressive constraints on bank lending, and tighter monetary policy.

When the economy sputters a second time, there is a strong danger of an over-reaction. Because investors and entrepreneurs perceive the failure of the second recovery, the economy may slip into a psychological contraction—one that goes far beyond the level necessary for the liquidation of malinvestment. This is the true “panic” stage of the economic cycle.

What we’ve had is a replay of the 1930s, whether it is seen from the neo-Keynesian or Hayekian perspective. For the Keynesians, we’re risking a premature exit from monetary and fiscal stimulus. For the Hayekians, this looks like the government stomping on the breaks following a contraction-compounding attempt by the government to ameliorate the recession through stimulus plans and bailouts. The combination of the early recession fighting, higher taxes, new innovation constraining regulations, monetary tightening, and lower government spending will likely produce the psychological recession that will be far worse and longer lasting than what we originally faced.

No matter what you think about economics, this is a disaster. Which makes us wonder if the Obama administration policy makers behind the spending freeze have thought about economics at all.

daddy

Well it's not all bad.

For example, I'm in favor of the Administration keeping the Freeze on this.">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8480795.stm">this.

Boatbuilder

All right then, Dear Leader: Propose some specific cuts.

(It simply won't happen--just more posturing from the Great Poseur).

Jeff

Great idea 0-3bama ... lets freeze some other failing or outdated programs ...

TARP
Stimulus
Fannie and Freddie bailout fund (back to the original 200B)
Federal salaries above the national average

clarice

Jane, it looks like Congress is exempting itself and federal employees from taxes on health plans:

Is Congress Exempting Itself From Health Insurance Tax?
Posted By Conn Carroll On January 25, 2010 @ 1:31 pm In Health Care | 10 Comments

[1]
It is still far from clear [2] what the White House’s new strategy to pass health care reform will be in the face of Scott Brown’s election to the Senate [3]. But according to Federal News Radio [4] negotiations between the House and Senate are still ongoing, including this victory for House Democrats:

Federal employees covered under some of the more expensive plans in the Federal Employees Heath Benefit Program now have some breathing room as well.

Federal workers had been left out of an earlier compromise on health care reform shielding union workers from a proposed 40-percent excise tax until 2018.

The office of Rep. Gerald Connolly (D-Va.) says he “personally called the White House to express his concern of leaving federal employees out of the deal.” An agreement reached Wednesday extends the exemption to federal employees through 2018 as well.

The Senate bill’s health insurance excise tax is terrible public policy. Although the insurance companies would technically make the tax payment (a 40% levy on insurance plans worth more than $8,000 a year for individuals) they would undoubtedly pass this cost along to employers purchasing the plans for their workers in the form of higher premiums [5]. Employers, in turn, would pass that cost on to their workers by lowering other forms of compensation like wages. Once the excise tax is passed on to workers, the result is no different than an increase in their income taxes. Faced with the possibility of paying substantially higher taxes, many workers would logically look for ways to avoid the tax. The first way they could avoid it would be by reducing the value of their health benefits below the threshold. If workers take less expensive health care coverage, they would want higher wages so as not to experience a reduction in total compensation. But this would not allow them to escape higher taxes completely, since higher wages would also be taxed.

Instead of facing this mess, Congress has reportedly chosen to exempt federal workers … which last time we checked included Members of Congress.

Article printed from The Foundry: Conservative Policy News.: http://blog.heritage.org

URL to article: http://blog.heritage.org/2010/01/25/is-congress-exempting-itself-from-health-insurance-tax/

URLs in this post:

Jane

Clarice,

I saw that yesterday. At this point we are waiting for the link thingy to be repaired. It should be done by tonite. In the meantime I feel like we have missed about 5 important stories. BTW feel free to write something about that and post it.

MikeS

...negotiations between the House and Senate are still ongoing

Dems are usig the kind of dirty tricks that used to go on behind the iron curtain to circumvent the Constitution and the will of the people.

daddy

Just tying up some loose ends:

P'UK fans will recall late last year when after the Miss England Beauty Contest, the winner punched out Miss Manchester in a bar-room brawl in some Manchester Pub.

After being arrested for assault, Miss England resigned her crown, and the runner up, Iraq Army vet, Katrina Hodge, was tabbed to take the title.

BBC today has a fetching photo of ">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/8479893.stm"> Lance Corporal Hodge, on leave from active duty, just now being officially crowned Miss England.

Hope that ends any anxiety JOMer's may have been experiencing about that unresolved situation.

DrJ

Thanks daddy. I will now be able to sleep at night.

Flash Hole

Obama derided the notion of a spending freeze when John McCain proposed it in 2008. Whatever! He also derided McCain's idea of taxing health insurance benefits and Hilary's call for an individual mandate, so....

If the Republicans are smart, they'll assemble a video montage of Obie's previous words versus his current actions. Lord knows there's plenty of gold to be mined there.

Jim Ryan

TREBEK: The winner of this country's national beauty pageant punched out one of her opponents in a bar - yes, John?

JOHN: I never heard this news, Alex, but it has to be England.

TREBEK: Correct for $100!

Jane

Scott Brown is going to be on Howie Carr around 4:00.

He's also going to be on This Week on Sunday. Barbara Walters is interviewing me. Gawd I hope she doesn't ask for a lap dance.

Danube of Thought

I'd like to see a pic of the one who punched out Miss Manchester.

"I read the news today, oh boy..."

NK

I love the smell of panic in the Leftwing Blogsphere....
it smells like...victory

Jack is Back!

daddy,

Did you hear that Rush is the new Bert Parks? I wonder if Perez Hilton is one of the judges? And wouldn't it be neat if Miss Alaska wins and nudges out Miss Arizona and Miss Illinois?

clarice

A lot of things in a lot of places will be frozen.
Barcepundit reports that the equivalent of 1/3 of Spain's gdp is tied up in non performing loans.
http://barcepundit-english.blogspot.com/2010/01/spanish-banks-currently-have-some.html

Neo
A witness from Landrieu's staff said O'Keefe was present in the office and claimed to be "waiting for someone to arrive."
narciso

How is this wiretapping, did they plant the camera in a closet somewhere.

Janet

O'Keefe? I didn't think the news media cared about what he did. They never seemed too interested in O'Keefe in the past. I guess they will be interested in him now.

Jack is Back!

Narcisco,

By the end of the day, it will be known as Watergate Redux by the MSM. The left have been thrown a life-line by these 4 nitwits.

centralcal

Jane: I saw on Mediabistro that Baba Wawa was interviewing Scott (also Roger Ailes and Arianna Huffington will be on the roundtable).

Did you also say that Baba was interviewing YOU????? How did that come about?

Ignatz

--Barbara Walters is interviewing me.--

Details?

Rob Crawford

How is this wiretapping, did they plant the camera in a closet somewhere.

I think that one's a stretch, based on their costumes. I bet the final charges are something along the lines of attempting to gain access to a government building under false pretenses (or however it's worded).

If true, they deserve the same punishment that was given to the guy that hacked Palin's email.

centralcal

Here is an interesting poll done by PPP

Americans do not trust the major tv news operations in the country- except for Fox News.

Our newest survey looking at perceptions of ABC News, CBS News, CNN, Fox News, and NBC News finds Fox as the only one that more people say they trust than distrust. 49% say they trust it to 37% who do not.

daddy

"Barcepundit reports that the equivalent of 1/3 of Spain's gdp is tied up in non performing loans."

Clarice,

I got a great kick last summer walking around San Francisco with my headsets on listening to The John And Ken Show (Talk Radio). They were specifically going postal because that very instant, with the State 20 Billion in the Red, 7 State Pols were traveling to Spain to learn from the Spanish how to handle economic issues. I almost wet my pants I was laughing so hard. Geeeez. Thanks for the link.

Neo

centralcal: that PPP poll should have Joe Klein's head going into orbit

clarice

Managed economies--as if there were free souffles or souvlaki or frittata anywhere. Greece is and has been pure anarchy as long as I've paid attention to it; Spain is run by a group of hrediary socialist "royalty" who take care of themselves and their families, give away the store to the unproductive and have been setting up for this for a long time.

How long will the productive EU members put up with this in their own countries and in the EU?

(Anyway--it's probably not a bad time to start hunting for that finca which rolls down to the sea.)

JM Hanes

centralcal:

I loved this observation in the PPP analysis:

Continuing the trend in our polling over the last few months that independents hate everything, a plurality of them distrust all five outlets we looked at.

LOL!

anduril

Good Article: The Death Of Gentry Liberalism:

Gentry liberalism, so hot just a year ago, is now in full retreat, a victim of its hypocrisy and fundamental contradictions. Its collapse threatens the coherence of President Barack Obama's message as he prepares for his State of the Union speech on Wednesday.

Gentry liberalism combines four basic elements: faith in postindustrial "creative" financial capitalism, cultural liberalism, Gore-ite environmentalism and the backing of the nation's arguably best-organized political force, public employee unions. Obama rose to power on the back of all these forces and, until now, has governed as their tribune.

Obama's problems stem primarily from gentry liberalism's class contradictions. Focused on ultra-affluent greens, the media, Wall Street and the public sector, gentry liberalism generally gives short shrift to upward mobility, the basic aspiration of the middle class.

Scott Brown's shocking victory in Massachusetts--like earlier GOP triumphs in Virginia and New Jersey--can be explained best by class. Analysis by demographer Wendell Cox, among others, shows that Brown won his margin in largely middle- and working-class suburbs, where many backed Obama in 2008. He lost by almost 2-to-1 among poor voters and also among those earning over $85,000 a year. He also won a slight margin among union members--remarkable given the lockstep support of their organizations for Brown's Democratic opponent, Martha Coakley.

Geography played a role, of course, but class proved the divider. Coakley did well in the wealthiest suburbs largely north and northwest of Boston. But Brown's edge in the more middle- and working-class suburbs proved insurmountable.

Obama, a genius at handling race, has always had problems with class. His early primary victories in 2008 resulted not only from superior organization but the preponderance of students and upper-income professionals in early primary states. Once Hillary Clinton morphed, just a bit late, into Harry Truman in a pants suit, she proved unstoppable, rolling over Obama in critical states like Pennsylvania, Texas, California, Florida, Michigan and throughout Appalachia.

In the general election Obama succeeded in winning over a significant portion of these voters. Long-simmering disgust with the Bush administration and the Republican Congress, combined with a catastrophic economic collapse, undermined the GOP's hold on middle-class suburbanites.

Plenty more follows.

centralcal

Neo: yeah. PPP is a Dem polling outfit, so I always wonder what the "real" numbers are. ha ha.

glasater

The irony of this headline is just delicious:

U.S. suspends aid to Kenya education ministry, ambassador says

centralcal

And, where has Ms. Jane disappeared to? She drops her enigmatic comment that seems to say she is being interviewed by Barbara Walters and then - poof - she's gone.

daddy

The education continues:


finca

Main Entry: fin·ca
Pronunciation: \ˈfiŋ-kə\
Function: noun
Etymology: Spanish
Date: 1878
: a rural property, ranch, or farm in Spain or Spanish America

anduril

Just out: Sorry, China, There Is No Short Cut To Economic Greatness.

This is pretty long. Here's how it starts:

"The Chinese economy must be really getting out of control, because the Chinese government is doing the unthinkable: it is desperately trying to put the brakes on the economy..."

Obama's in for a nasty surprise. After wasting his first year in office, the world isn't going to run in place waiting for the Messiah to get his act together. Things will happen. Shit, as it always does, will happen.

Ignatz

Thanks daddy. I was just about to look it up.

peter

Oh, so that's why so many Spanish wines have the word "Finca" in their name. I thought it was after the bird, the finch. Finca Sandoval is one hell of a good wine.

bgates

I'm glad I read these threads from the bottom up. I would have been stuck for 10 minutes trying to think of a word that could plausibly be misspelled as "finca".

daddy

You know I was gonna' click on JMH's link about us Conservatives all being Nihilists, but I sorta' feel that traditional values and beliefs are unfounded and that existence is senseless and useless, therefore there's obviously no objective ground of truth and especially of moral truths, so what the hell, why bother?

JM Hanes

Does anybody really care, daddy?

Ignatz

--I would have been stuck for 10 minutes trying to think of a word that could plausibly be misspelled as "finca".--

LOL

Extraneus

This should be good.

Senate Dems Unfurl New Electoral Strategy: Divide and Conquer GOP

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee was passing out a memo Tuesday advising Democratic campaign managers to define their opponents early and to highlight the differences between moderate voters and tea party-style conservatives.

Extraneus
The memo encourages Democratic candidates to compel their opponents to answer a series of questions on issues that have helped boost the tea party movement and reveal cracks in GOP unity, including health care, taxes and President Obama's citizenship and ideology.

Among the questions Democrats should ask Republican candidates:

"Do you believe that Barack Obama is a U.S. citizen? Do you think the 10th Amendment bars Congress from issuing regulations like minimum health care coverage standards? Do you think programs like Social Security and Medicare represent socialism and should never have been created in the first place? Do you think President Obama is a socialist? Do you think America should return to a gold standard?"


Heh.

rse

Jane, Rocco, TC & Dave-

Are they getting upset in Mass that Paul Kirk is still voting?

clarice

Very funny begates. I know so many words I rarely get to use you'll have to ecuse me.

Perhaps a castillo is more your style or an estancia?
and I spotted some knock dead gorgeous modern places in Barcelona for a relative song.

But it is Spain. Why the going gets tough who knows what they'll go to norteamericanos who dared to buy in the 'hood.

Been there hundreds of year ago. Did that. Ain't going to do it yet again.

clarice

**WhEn the going gets tough who knows what they'll Do to***

daddy

""Do you believe that Barack Obama is a U.S. citizen?"

At least as much as Ellie Light is a resident of Tupelo and Carmel and Hoboken and that Newspaper Editors are unbiased fact checkers.

Extraneus

Gee...

Stimulus Bill to Cost $75 Billion More Than Expected, CBO Says

There goes 75 of that $250B freeze dividend.

daddy

Well here's some positive news our President can take personal pride in: Barack">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8461222.stm">Barack Obama Jr: Babies named after the US president

Danube of Thought

This one made my eyes well up a tad bit. There are some things the Marines get just right.

bgates

I was gonna' click on JMH's link about us Conservatives all being Nihilists

I liked it better when they called us Nazis.

Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, dude, at least it's an ethos.

Extraneus

Me, too, DoT. Great link.

centralcal

Wonderful link, DoT!

bgates

From daddy's bbc link, here's the proud mother of Barack Obama Odour:
"We wanted to remember that day and to remember the first black African to be a US president," she said.

I'm really torn here between the cheap and easy birther joke, or the cheaper and easier "Barack Obama Odor" joke.

Instead I will quote further:
In Washington DC, 35-year-old Isha Kallay proudly shows customers in her hair braiding salon the latest addition to her family - Obama Alhaji Kabinech Kabba.

The name came to her during the Democratic primary campaign when she dreamt that Barack Obama was stood atop a hill giving a speech to a multitude. The light of the moon and the stars shone upon him.

"People don't even know my name in my area anymore. People just call me Obama Momma," Isha said.

Originally from Sierra Leone, she arrived in the US 14 years ago, after winning an immigration lottery.

She and her husband have recently felt the effect of the economic slowdow. The house they bought was in danger of being repossessed but an Obama initiative has brought a halt to the legal proceedings.

-and then start drinking. (I don't, but this article makes me think I should.)

Jane

Did you also say that Baba was interviewing YOU

That is the most pathetic typo ever. I feel like Obama.

clarice

Semper fie, indeed!
Now there's no question that Bush is far more educated than the punditacrecy we mentioned earlier--Brooks, Peggy, MoDo, Cohen --and as educated at Obama but he alone understands and loves his fellow citizens--watch him with the marines and the firemen and the kids who visited the WH. It's unmistakeable, I love him and always will.

clarice

**punditacracy**

Jane

Are they getting upset in Mass that Paul Kirk is still voting?

I don't think anyone is aware of it rse. Scott was asked about it today and he was non-plussed.

clarice

Gee,Jane.. I knew what you meant--Maybe I [mis]typed it and accidentally signed your name to it.

clarice

BTW, it is ironic that Baba is interviewed Scott. She was the lover of the last Republican Senator from your state.

Danube of Thought

This one made a thrill run up my leg:

"In late October, Newsday, the Long Island daily that the Dolans bought for $650 million, put its web site, newsday.com, behind a pay wall. The paper was one of the first non-business newspapers to take the plunge by putting up a pay wall, so in media circles it has been followed with interest. Could its fate be a sign of what others, including The New York Times, might expect?

"So, three months later, how many people have signed up to pay $5 a week, or $260 a year, to get unfettered access to newsday.com?

"The answer: 35 people. As in fewer than three dozen. As in a decent-sized elementary-school class."

clarice

*interviewing Scott*

(Darn--it's time to up the type my eyes are too tired.Sorry.

matt

Conservatives are anything but nihilists, almost by definition. That is how twisted the dialogue is these days. It is the left who look to Nietzsche and Sartre and Derrida and who left behind that old tired Judeo-Christian ethic.

"It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen."

Janet

That is the most pathetic typo ever. I feel like Obama.

LOL...the new shame phrase, "I feel like Obama."

Porchlight

Okay, so I have been battling it out at HotAir but I feel like no one is listening.

Is there any evidence that O'Keefe at all were trying to wiretap, or conspiring to wiretap, Landrieu's phone system? As far as I can tell they were charged with entering federal property under false pretenses and "interfering with the phone system."

Section 1362 which deals with that interference, does not specifically mention listening to or recording transmissions (aka wiretapping) at all.

Which is not to say they didn't do anything illegal/wrong or that they aren't in big trouble. But people are being pretty quick to throw the "wiretapping" charge around, including media people on the right. This seems to me to be inaccurate according to the information we have so far.

centralcal

Since I am at work during his time slot, I never see Glenn Beck except for weekend repeats. However, I can't tell you how stunned I was to see this featured at Mediaite:

Beck opened tonight’s show with what can only be described as a tour-de-force excoriation of yesterday’s Joe Klein article accusing Americans of being dumb. Fifteen minutes worth. It was, to put it plainly, brilliant theater. A cast of thousands with Beck playing all the parts.

I watched part of it, but since it is a 15 minute segment, I will have to continue it when I get home from work.

Mediaite is the website run by Dan Abrams (ex MSNBCer), so that is why I was stunned.

centralcal

Porch - I can sympathize with you. But, better wait till ALL sides are heard from and the story shakes out.

We all certainly remember the first reports about Tiger Woods being rushed in serious condition to the hospital, etc. etc.

If things are not quite what they seem, it will be made clearer in time.

cathyf
Darn--it's time to up the type my eyes are too tired.
The command to do that is splat-+. The "splat" keys are on either side of the space bar and have the word "command" and a symbol that looks like a bug squished on your windshield (hence the splat key). Put one finger on the right splat, one on the right shift key, and hammer on the + key until it get bigger. If it gets too big, splat and the minus key takes it back down.
Porchlight

I agree, centralcal. But that is my point - we don't have that much information, yet people are jumping to a "wiretapping" conclusion. As I read the affadavit (IANAL), I don't see much evidence to support that. It appears to me that they were charged with something else.

If a wiretapping charge is as yet unsuported by the info available, it shouldn't be reported as such unless and until new information comes out.

Porchlight

New thread on O'Keefe is up, btw....

centralcal

Oh, I get your point now, Porch. Yes the wiretapping allegation seems a little thin. TM already has a new blog thread up dealing with it.

narciso

Speaking of genius actions and statements, in the LUN

Rob Crawford

Okay, so I have been battling it out at HotAir but I feel like no one is listening.

Ah, yes... HotAir... where the common wisdom is apparently that we're all guilty of whatever O'Keefe has been accused of, and therefore the entire "movement" has to answer for it.

I have a phrase for this: "Conservative Cringe". It's the reflexive assumption of personal guilt for whatever accusation is made against any other conservative. The most common outward expression of it is being so desperate to prove you're not a "racist" that you buy into the least accusation of "racism".

peter

OT, I never knew that Tim Tebow was an evangelical Christian whose mother almost aborted him. I'm not that big a football fan, I guess. Moving story at LUN.

Rob Crawford

From narciso's LUN, above:

Clinton said that Abdulmutallab, who hailed from a wealthy family, may have simply been going through a youthful phase of radicalism when he was roped in by Islamic extremists.

Much like Hillary and her SDS friends.

Only a moron could attribute the attempted murder of hundreds to a "youthful phase".

clarice

Maybe blowing up a plane with your underpants is some kins of Middle Eastern equivalent of a fraternity prank,

MikeS

...Middle Eastern equivalent of a fraternity prank

Oh yeah. It's just like toilet papering the principal's house, only you don't get to see the look on the principal's face.

Porchlight

Yes, Rob C, that's exactly right. Akin to clarice's great "clean toga" metaphor, I think.

BTW you're doing good work over there too. :)

JM Hanes

MikeS: Call me twisted but I fell out over that one. LOL!

Janet

peter...the pro choice crowd never likes the choice of life. Isn't life one of the choices also?

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