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January 08, 2010

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Clarice

Since we are on a lighter note--here's the Tiger Woods commemorative mistress plate collection:
LUN

Mike Myers

We're all doing just ducky with the current messiah in the White House; the gentleman is a legend in his own mind.

Kevin B

But is Avatar as popular as Grand Theft Auto?

And would we like to discuss the semiotics of Assassins Creed?

Walter

TM,

How on earth could you have forgotten the classic that is "On Deadly Ground"?

It may well be Mr. Seagal's best work.*

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* Yes, you can use that equally well as an insult. Versitile actor, he is.

bgates

You know what would be a neat twist on the formula? Just reverse the whole setup. Have the young guy start with the natives and go into the civilization. Instead of being a manly adventurer type, make him a little nerd. He can skip the meeting part, and just learn from the stories of the native elders that the white folk are vulgar and materialistic and corrupt. Then you can have a Nonwhite Messiah leading a crusade against the rotten civilization, as he shapes history and journeys to self-admiration.

Janet

a repost from the Joe Klein thread -
Did you see this? LUN Human sacrifices on the rise in Uganda...
Perhaps the subject of the next animated blockbuster....noble primitives indeed.

Jane

This is so much fun - from Charlie Cook:

Re: dems losing the House in 2010:

The Jan. 19 special election for the Massachusetts Senate seat could be key. A GOP upset — or even a close loss by Scott Brown — could likely trigger a new wave of Democratic retirements. Likewise, a smashing victory by Martha Coakley might slow the bleeding.
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Apparently saving the free world is now on the shoulders of Scott Brown. The hunk will be on Hannity tonite if you care.

Oh and Kerry is having a fit alleging "Karl Rove tactics" because someone is running an ad where Martha says "We have to get taxes up".

I saw her say it, which once again proves teh integrity of Rove and complete lack of integrity of John Kerry.

narciso

You are scary, bgates, good thing you're on our side. You know the rule, Jane, to confront them with their own words is 'swiffboating' is that the term

DebinNC

You are scary, bgates, good thing you're on our side.

Amen to that.

BumperStickerist

Tarzan, the Disney version, isn't so much "white" as he is a human by himself.

Tarzan rejects the "White Person's World" after becoming acquainted with its charms, Jane Porter, and its evils, again, Jane Porter ... just kidding, its evils, namely the gorilla hunter, Mr. Clayton.

*** and *** Tarzan gets Jane Porter to join him in PreLapsaria.

Her dad, the professor, stays, too. But it's, hey, PreLapsaria, not Paradise.


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BumperStickerist

You know what would be a neat twist on the formula? Just reverse the whole setup. Have the young guy start with the natives and go into the civilization. Instead of being a manly adventurer type, make him a little nerd.

Conan the Librarian.

bgates

A near plug from Thomas Sowell, on the Corner:

"We’re becoming a nation of people who are propagandized from elementary school right on through graduate school in a certain vision of the world. Only the few, for one reason or another, stop and say — “wait a minute!” — they are the only ones left that we have to depend on."

MayBee

hen you can have a Nonwhite Messiah leading a crusade against the rotten civilization, as he shapes history and journeys to self-admiration.

Brilliant!
The costume department will put him in well-creased pants.

MayBee

The thing I loved most about Joe Klein's piece is how excited he was that America was the bad guy.

Don't question his patriotism!

Joseph Brown

Being from the era of the good guys wore white hats and the bad guys wore black hats and were always, seemingly, trying to rustle someone's cattle I tend to stay away from the Avatar type movies.
I did like the 3 Stooges, tho....

MayBee

It rests on the assumption that illiteracy is the path to grace.

How is this different than the real-life anti-globalists who want to save the charming natives from having to embrace things like literacy and indoor plumbing?

Dante

Let's not forget the book and movie The Power of One.

matt

I gotta great idea for a new movie. It's about an American confused by the Spanish American War who goes to Africa and leads the natives in an uprising against the evil Belgian Emperor, but get this...in the end he gets eaten by the same natives.....I'll call it The Last Avatar dances with the Heart of Darkness....

Old Lurker

OT because the gang is dispersed over about six threads this morning.

The jobs numbers announced today were shockingly bad given the expectations. Go read about it at Powerline for a good summary.

Jim Ryan

You know what would be a neat twist on the formula?

I'm tellin' ya, District 9 made the UN out as vivisecting, murderous, kleptocrats. I couldn't pop enough popcorn. The ass kicker? The blacks in the movie were pro-apartheid!

John Bibb

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Watch APOCALYPTO again for a "reality check" on these "pristine" non-industrial societies and how they really worked!
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We are living in Heaven in the U.S.A. by comparison.
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John Bibb
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Uriel

I don't care. I LIKED "The Last Samurai". Maybe because of my own liking of the Japanese Samurai Bushido culture (or, at least, how it's often portrayed). But the movie didn't make American's look any worse than anybody else (except the Samurai). The bad guys were mostly the Japanese Bureaucrats, and one American guy.

Jacob

Someone else already wrote Brooks' column. He just changed a few words.
http://tellmeeverything.typepad.com/my_weblog/2010/01/media-watch-the-david-brooks.html

sbw

For some reason, "The Last Hurrah" with Spencer Tracy just came to mind. As Mayor Frank (Tracy) Skeffington is about to die, the cardinal suggests that, knowing what he knows now, Skeffington would probably do things differently.

"Like hell!" Tracy mutters, and dies.

sbw

Last Hurrah is a John Ford film.

Jack is Back!

I can't wait for Klein and Brooks to analyze tomorrow's SNL skits. And what does The Simpson's record run of cartoonish vignettes of mid-america life do to their cerebral wave length? I never read movie reviews because it is one person's opinion and I don't want to have any kind of bias going in. I want to see, feel and understand on my own terms.

The trouble with Klein and Brooks is that there is nothing out there in op-edland that "girds their loins" like fiction when so much non-fiction is running around begging for a good ass kicking by seasoned journalists.

centralcal

uh oh. Twitter is all atwitter about Steele canceling an ABC on-line interview and being called into an "emergency" RNC meeting.

Captain Hate

I'm tellin' ya, District 9 made the UN out as vivisecting, murderous, kleptocrats. I couldn't pop enough popcorn. The ass kicker? The blacks in the movie were pro-apartheid!

Seriously? Is it on DVD yet?

Btw, I'm also one of the apparently-larger-than-expected-number-of-people who didn't see Titanic. Also my favorite DiCaprio movie was "What's Eating Gilbert Grape" because he played a kid who was kind of slow in a somewhat inspired bit of casting. The story was based on a book by the brother of a former neighbor (on the dust jacket he looked like a barely-male Mary Clare who was one of my favorite neighbors) who, after I saw the movie, immediately stressed that their mother wasn't incredibly obese.

Joke Line and Brooksie getting into movie reviewing as a future career path?

BobM

God both Klein and Brooks are such mama boys! In the old days these two would have had their asses kicked in the schoolyard and then just become accountants where nobody would see or hear from them ever again.

But all this squishy metrosextual crap foisted on us by overbearing mothers, has caused these two wimps to annoy us on a weekly basis.

Captain Hate

Btw, just to show that I can be even-handed: Michael Steele was on Laura Ingraham this morning and didn't make a complete ass out of himself; or even a partial one. He actually shocked me by seeming to be concerned about the right things, ie moving the party forward.

Little steps; one at a time....

Jane

I dunno, I actually was a Steele fan when he become head of the RNC. Not so much now. And if he says "The reality is" one more time...

Sue

Jane,

Me too. I so wanted him to do well and thought his first act of firing everyone a good sign. Now, I'm just afraid he's going to say something.

Dave (in MA)

Haven't seen either, but:

Avatar = Pocahontas.

Captain Hate

Jane & Sue,
Over at AoS there was just a post talking about how pissed off the Repub leadership is at Steele for not telling them about his book coming out so this morning might have been step 1 in an ass-covering campaign. The timing and content would make complete sense.

Jane

Dave,

Have you seen Howie Carr's latest?

narciso

He's been a big dissapointment, I'm sad to say, He's not the only one, Cornyn and Sessions at the NRCC/SC share a lot of the blame, but he is the most visible

MarkO

A pattern in stories? No!

Apparently, he has not had the advantage of reading Joseph Cambell. Or much else.

Captain Hate

I'm frankly disappointed that so few sci-fi classics have been made into movies, particularly with computer generated imagery being so common. I could list a number of Arthur C Clarke's books that would do well, but I'll throw out "Childhood's End" for starters. Ditto for Asimov and Clifford Simak.

matt

Steele, I think, has been slow in processing the impact of the Tea Party movement but is getting it. I was frankly amazed at Peggy Noonan's column this morning. Even she, in the heart of darkness, is starting to get a clue.

And if John McCain is calling Obama a dirty socialist in his campaign ads, I don't feel so bad anymore.

Charlie (Colorado)

Apparently, he has not had the advantage of reading Joseph Cambell. Or much else.

Or any one of a dozen screenwriting books. Take the Hero's Journey, mix with Plot Point One and Two, and pretty much any story with a hero and a princess will look pretty similar.

narciso

That is the tragedy of Avatar, a good deal of Heinlein, Pournelle, Niven, even Harrison, doesn't get made for the sake of this trite
screenplay.

Charlie (Colorado)

Captain, Childhood's End has been optioned at least a dozen times; similarly with Stranger in a Strange Land. But a lot of the classics would have been impossibly expensive until very recently — that's one reason Verhoefen didn't do powersuits in his version of Starship Troopers.

Now, District 9, which basically did a $200 million effect movie for about a buck eighty-nine shows those limits may not be as difficult any longer.

I thought District 9 was brilliant; I loved having the bad guys be smarmy Boer UN guys. On the other hand, my screenwriting partner thought the bad guys were Corporate and hated the movie.

Charlie (Colorado)

That is the tragedy of Avatar, a good deal of Heinlein, Pournelle, Niven, even Harrison, doesn't get made for the sake of this trite screenplay.

A lot of Heinlein has been done; it just didn't survive the translation very well.

Jane

Rush just mentioned the Brown race.

Captain Hate

Thanks for the comments ChaCo; I'd rather have the classics done well than horribly, which could really send me spinning off on a rage bender. I can't remember when the last time a movie struck me as a miserably bad adaptation of a book, which is probably a good thing (although a friend of mine and I left "Short Cuts" in a foul mood at how Altman had completely missed the essence of Raymond Carver's stories; although I thought it was a successful movie when judged in a vacuum with no preconceptions).

Jane

It's ON! Democrats have started push polling against Brown.

Cecil Turner

I can't remember when the last time a movie struck me as a miserably bad adaptation of a book . . .

Seems to me that's the norm for SciFi, "Starship Troopers" and "Dune" being prime examples.

Spiny Norman

In both those cases, Cecil, I'm convinced the screenwriter/director detested the original material and wanted to remake it in the way HE thought it should be.

Rob Crawford

A lot of Heinlein has been done; it just didn't survive the translation very well.

???

Verhoeven's abortion and "Puppet Masters". What else?

E. Nigma

The original version of "Dune" made by DeLaurentis was pretty weird, but there was actually a pretty good version made for the Sci-Fi (now Scyfy) channel some years ago that had multiple episodes and was pretty faithful to Herbert's book.

Ya know, Brook's little premise really reminded me of "Lord Jim", as maybe the progenitor of these sorts of movies. The difference is there was a pretty strong but subtle notion of flawed human nature in the movie version (starring Peter O'Toole). And also bits of bits of Buddhist philosophy, along with a undertone of a Christ-like figure (in Jim). Ecumenicalism!
The book by Conrad is a little more stark.

JM Hanes

"[B]enevolent romanticism can be just as condescending as the malevolent kind...."

.....says David "Elite, Educated, Leadership Class" Brooks.

Captain Hate

"Dune" being prime examples

Frank Herbert had already trashed the franchise by release so many increasingly wretched sequels that I was pretty numb to the whole thing by the time the movie came out.

Captain Hate

release == releasing

JM Hanes

centralcal:

Steele's message to Republicans via yesterday's ABC news:

I’m telling them and I’m looking them in the eye and say I’ve had enough of it. If you don’t want me in the job, fire me. But until then, shut up. Get with the program or get out of the way.

When the Chairman of the RNC sounds like Barack Obama, it's time for him to go! Hs supposed to be defending Republicans, not attacking them.  He's supposed to be leading the fight against Democrats, not parading intra-party conflict, giving himself inflated grades, and promoting his own book along with his personal views, instead of party policy.  The fact that the party's primary fundraiser could publicly assert that Republicans are not yet fit to lead is absolutely stunning.

Steele has become a serious, morale busting, impediment on both proselytizing and fundraising fronts, for elections which would otherwise be the GOP's to lose. My disappointment in has turned to outrage, and I earnestly hope that the emergency meeting was called to give him his walking papers.

Jane

Hey! It's Caro's birthday!

I bet she went skiing to celebrate.

Happy happy birthday Caro! You rock!

Sue

Happy birthday, Caro!

Jane

Uh - actually it's a Caro birthday weekend - I think I'm a tad early!

Oh who cares?

Mustang0302

Time to add Cam-moron, Klein, and Brooksie to the list: Men Who Look Like Old Lesbians.

BTW, Klein...you're not fooling anyone with that ratfaced-Krugman beard.

centralcal

Happy Birthday weekend to Caro!

JMH: I agree with you and am also angry, especially since I was a vocal supporter of him getting this position. Sadly, I see many personality parallels between him and Obama, and they are quite disturbing.

I, too, hope he is being given his walking papers - the sooner the better - too much is at stake.

Cecil Turner

I'm convinced the screenwriter/director detested the original material . . .

So am I (especially Verhoeven, who felt the need to make a Nazis=Bad platitude under Heinlein's byline).

. . . but there was actually a pretty good version made for the Sci-Fi (now Scyfy) channel some years ago . . .

The miniseries was much better, but still missed much of the point, made crap up, and it lagged and had spotty production values. Hurt was a great Leto, but the rest of the cast wasn't up to the Lynch version, either.

Frank Herbert had already trashed the franchise . . .

Yeah, Herbert fell into the "hey that worked, let's keep the gravy train going" trap. To be fair, there are lots more of those out there, some far worse (e.g., Jordan's "Wheel of Time"). But "Dune" is a classic as a stand-alone (and I admit not reading any after "Children"). In any event, you'd think they could make a good version of those two (with actual mobile infantry and sandriders), "The moon is a harsh mistress" and others. I think Narcisco is spot on with the opportunity cost of crap like "Avatar."

MayBee

Avatar being made does not cause other sci-fi movies to not be made.
It's usually just the opposite. A popular movie in a genre breeds other movies in the same genre.

Rocco

Happy Birthday Caro

Ya know Brown was 30 points behind not too long ago and my son just told me he heard on his car radio it was 50-50 today. (I should have asked him what radio station but didn't.)

Jane, you were spot on about his campaign staying under the radar of the reigning corrupt regime. I've read somewhere he's run a masterful campaign but when McCain came out and endorsed, (this week) it was on.

Isn't it sleazy how they conduct their campaigning! Push polling. I've made calls for Scott Brown and I can assure you, nothing but class! I'm told the phones are really, really important in this special election.


MayBee

Happy Birthday, Caro!!

Neo

Ezra Klein comes up with this bonehead political analysis ...

A competitive, two-party democracy shouldn't have long periods of single-party dominance. The mid-20th century, which did see Democrats with that sort of majority in the House, was the product of a three-party system in which a party of conservative, racist Southerners entered into a coalition with the Democrats. But that's over now.

I guess that was an alliance of Democrats with Southern Democrats.

How embarrassing.

Jane

Rocco,

I think everything depends on whether the momentum can keep going for 11 more days. It will be really interesting to hear what Dick thinks - last week he believed the race was over - it was just viral then, and now it's in all the newspapers.

But I expect the hits to come fast and furiously for the next 11 days, and I expect it to get really really ugly. I just saw a tweet that said: "Big turnout for Martha at Springfield debate". I went to the link and there were 10 people there.

Mustang0302

Add Ezra to the list, too.

Rob Crawford

Neo -- that quote is amazing. Klein's dishonesty would be breath-taking if I didn't think he actually wants it to be true.

Neo

Marc Falkoff, attorney for a few of the jihadis doing time at Guantanamo, says the prisoners are not happy about plans for moving from tropical Cuba to the cold confines of a “supermax” prison in Thomson, Illinois.

Well that changes ever thing.

Jack is Back!

Ezra is what my dad would have called a "young whippersnapper". He thinks he knows everything but knows nothing.

There is a word for those so-called racist southern democrats, Ezra. They were called Dixiecrats or the more formal name used to form the so-called 3rd party was The States Rights Democratic Party. It was formed in 1948 and dissolved the same year. Its only purpose was to run Strom Thurmond against Truman. When they lost they returned to the fold of mainstream Democrats and were welcome with open arms.

Ignatz

--I could list a number of Arthur C Clarke's books that would do well, but I'll throw out "Childhood's End" for starters. Ditto for Asimov and Clifford Simak.--

Simak's OK, but the other two bore me stiff.
Anything by Jack Vance would make a better flick. He's light on the sci but his fi is as good as any I've read. The Demon Princes and the MoonMoth would all make good flicks in the right hands and he wrote one short story "Noise" that is the single best scifi I've read. I have it in a Robert Silverberg anthology titled "Deep Space".

And if you want a spectaular flick, any of ER Burrough's martian books would be perfect, especially for CGI. It ain't great literature but great literature quite often makes really bad movies.

matt

a few weeks back, I went to a dinner for a sheriff's candidate in my county that featured Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who was pretty funny. There were 20 Latino activists protesting and 8-10 TV trucks. As soon as the lights went off they were out of there, but while those lights were on they were the maddest, rantingest, chantingest crowd of 20 imaginable. Close focus shots on the news that night. Mau Mauing the flak catchers at its finest.

Captain, in addition to Clarke and Heinlein, I liked a futurist named John Brunner. Dark eco/bio/statist novels set in a near future.

boris

"Anything by Jack Vance would make a better flick ..."

Dragon Masters. A movie would look a lot like Avatar.

Captain Hate

Well tastes are subjective and, for whatever reason, I just found Heinlein's prose not appealing at all.

It's hard to resist underestimating your opponent when Ezra Klein is in their ranks. Doesn't anybody in the "educated class" know any history?

bgates

Speaking of the educated class, Instapundit has a video clip from Jon Stewart that has the Conscience of America's Journalists unable to remember as far back as the previous sentence out of his own mouth.

Stewart shows Obama lying repeatedly about putting health care reform negotiations on C-SPAN, and then says, "wow, this must be great for Fox News, after all that time they spent on fake Obama scandals like the idea he would secretly try to impose socialism."

Half of the country is that guy from Memento.

Charlie (Colorado)

Well tastes are subjective and, for whatever reason, I just found Heinlein's prose not appealing at all.

How do you feel about Hemingway, or radio shows? Heinlein is pretty heavily influenced by Hemingway.

John Brunner was quite good.

Read this to see why a common H'wood screenplay can so often be re-analyzed into some other movie. There is literally a guideline for which page of a 120 page screenplay should have which point in the plot.

Cecil Turner

A popular movie in a genre breeds other movies in the same genre.

Unfortunately, the genre I want to see is "Classic SciFi," and the genre getting bred is "crap in space." And yeah, there's competition between the two camps.

Heinlein is pretty heavily influenced by Hemingway.

IMO, Heinlein's big plus is a career military officer who "gets" the moral dimension of war. (Which dominates his best books.) His prose can be a bit stiff, and it got much worse in his latter works (where he was too cool to edit).

I always thought Zelazny works (esp. "Lord of Light") would make great flicks, once the technology caught up to the demands.

Clarice

Happy Birthday,Caro!
Rocco, Glad you haven't frozen to death.
I'm feeling optimistic about mass. Hoe many Dems turn out when no one's paying them and I think Coakley is not as rich as you think--With 11 days to go she's coming to DC for a fundraiser.

MarkO

Charlie,

Let's do a screenplay and call it "The Hazards of Duke."

Frau SF Fan

As we move towards our unwelcome and threatening future, I keep thinking of Nancy Kress's trilogy, starting with Beggars in Spain (the novella form won both Nebula and Hugo awards). Kress wrote " ... that the book, and the trilogy generally, grapples with the conflicting principles of Ayn Rand on one hand and Ursula K. Le Guin's picture of communist-like community on the other.
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In the year of America's tricentennial, ... America has re-stratified itself into a three-tiered society. At the bottom are the "Livers," an under-educated but well-fed 80% of the population who enjoy a life of leisure. Above them (or below them) are the "donkeys," the genemod white-collar force who run the infrastructure and are elected into office by the Livers, earning votes via bread and circuses. Finally, the Sleepless are the source of just about all technological, genetic and scientific advances." Wiki LUN

IMO SF rarely translates well to the film screen and is usually a financial bust. (I loved The 12 Monkeys much more than the general public.) TV productions, though, can often be a treat as on the ScyFy channel.

glasater

Liked Momento a bunch.
When I saw it was dealing with a M I L who could not reme
ber what had happened the previous day.
Now I kinda envy that state of mind:)

Rob Crawford


In the year of America's tricentennial, ... America has re-stratified itself into a three-tiered society. At the bottom are the "Livers," an under-educated but well-fed 80% of the population who enjoy a life of leisure.

Sounds like the utopian version of Pournelle's CoDominium dystopia.

boris

Zelazny works (esp. "Lord of Light") would make great flicks

Concur. Binder of demons, drop the Maha and Atman and call him Sam. "Then the fit hit the Shan". I suspect JK Rowling was a bit of a Zelazny fan.

Captain Hate

How do you feel about Hemingway, or radio shows? Heinlein is pretty heavily influenced by Hemingway

That makes sense because I've yet to enjoy Hemingway as much as others do. Anybody here a fan of Kate Wilhelm's Where Late the Sweet Birds Sang? I used to belong to a sci-fi book club (in the 70s) and they sent me that because I neglected to tell them not to. Wow, was that a great mistake; plus everyone I lent it to had the same reaction.

narciso

Happy birthday, caro. I am kind of partial to big sand epics, so I liked Dune, the first better than the second,

rse

Clarice-

LUN is a followup to your AT disparate impact piece.

AAAS is pushing for higher ed science faculties to represent the racial and ethnic composition of the population.

Sickening.

Frau SF Fan

But first, we laugh...
I would love to see a movie made of Eric Idle's The Road to Mars (comics-in-space mystery with theory of comedy researching android servant all chased by bad guys).
Too much for a film perhaps: Several of my non-science fiction reading friends have enjoyed Connie Willis's Hugo winning To Say Nothing of the Dog (time travelers to Victorian England and the 1940s who need to find the 'bishop's stump' which is missing from Coventry Cathedral).

For fun *and* fighting there is John Scalzi's Old Man's War which begins, "John Perry did two things on his 75th birthday. First he visited his wife's grave. Then he joined the army."

Clarice

AAAS' move has been known for a while. The trick is this--I am already being very selective about what I send to colleges..One more atrocity like this, and they can live off the leavings in the cafeteria as far as I am concerned.

Old Lurker

rse, your link makes me want to just jump off a damn bridge.

I'm going home and opening the bar.

centralcal

Hillbuzz (whose site has apparently has been under attack) posted briefly that they are hearing that Evan Bayh is in trouble in Indiana and the call has gone out to big Dem Hillary donors to help him out.

Frau SF Fan

Captain - I loved Kate Wilhelm's work but she left SF for other stuff.

narisco - Why weren't the movie still suits true to the book? BTW aat the state university where my husband taught, some wag wrote by the urinals, "Muad'Dib, give me your water." That was only topped by an earlier scrawl by the seat covers: "Spiro Agnew T-shirts."

Charlie (Colorado)

I always thought Zelazny works (esp. "Lord of Light") would make great flicks, once the technology caught up to the demands.

yeah. one of the things you have to remember is that movies are very different than books: your favorite 400 page novel has more material than six movies. Zelazny was very "cinematic": things mostly happen from an outside point of view. The "fit hit the shan" pun would be tough going, but then it's ->| |<- this close to being a mistake that should have been edited out; it breaks you out, makes you aware of the text, and as much as I loved the joke it steals power from the scene. In a movie, you'd have to get it by having someone telling the story in a tavern later.

Heinlein's "juveniles" mostly pretty tough: Space Cadet and Rocket Ship Galileo would work — and sure enough, they drove "Tom Corbett Space Cadet" and "Destination Moon" —but most of the others are Bildungsromanen that are first person and depend on a lot of the internal storyteller.

Pixar is doing "Princess of Mar"s, which should be interesting.

Porchlight

Reading JOM every day almost makes me feel like a regular David Brooks reader.

Happy Birthday Weekend, Caro!

Charlie (Colorado)

Let's do a screenplay and call it "The Hazards of Duke."

I like it.

Frau SF Fan

''Diversifying'' Science Faculties:
Al Sharpton in the lab? We.Are.Doomed. We will never make it to the stars.

Charlie (Colorado)

Verhoeven's abortion and "Puppet Masters". What else?

"Tom Corbett Space Cadet" and "Destination Moon" or course. IMDB lists these. And there are a bunch of other ones, like Stranger in a Strange Land that haven't been completed and have piles of producers', directors', and screenwriters' remains piled in smoking heaps around their feet.

Captain Hate

Frau, is her subsequent work as good? I really didn't consider that work as hard-core sci-fi compared to what I was used to; she pretty much took the question "say cloning becomes widespread in the future; what could go wrong with that?" and developed a very coherent and moving story from it.

Charlie (Colorado)

I loved The 12 Monkeys much more than the general public.

That's a funny special case. 12 Monkeys was a remake of an incredibly pretentious artsy French flick (fliq?) called La Jetée. I've seen it probably 10 times, perforce, in film and SF classes.

Amazingly dull.

Jim Miller

Some of Heinlein's juveniles might make good movies. For instance, Tunnel in the Sky or Bewteen Planets.

And I must say I am still puzzled by the Asimov stories they chose to make into a movie. "Caves of Steel" would have been a much better choice.

Rob Crawford

IMDB lists these.

OK, "Destination Moon" I had forgotten (despite having a copy), but the rest are just TV episodes.

Pity.

(And I'm not all that bothered that no one's ever pulled off "Stranger". I'd rather see Podkayne make it to the big screen.)

Frau SF Fan

Captain - No, I wasn't interested in reading any of Wilhelm's other writing if it wasn't SF. She has written SF, mysteries and fantasy.

Chaco - Brad Pitt made a convincing psycho. I'm not a big fan of his normally.

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