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February 06, 2010

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Rob Crawford

These postes are really either stupid, dumb, or blind. Clealy insurance failed her.

What she did not use could not have failed her. And, sadly, she had a great big helping of bad luck; a factor which can never be legislated out of existence.

centralcal

lol, Captain and Narcisco.

sylvia

See what she should have done was enroll in a low deductible insurance and lie on her application. Then go to a doctor after her new ins starts and "discover" the breast cancer.

As to mamagrams starting at 50 not 40. Breast cancer is primarily a disease of menopause. Menopause has gone up from an average age of 42 or 45 or so back in the 60's to an average age 51 now. For some reason, I don't know why. I looked it up. So it would make sense that screening for breast cancer follows that age increase.

Cecil Turner

So it would make sense that screening for breast cancer follows that age increase.

Unless, of course, you were talking about some lady who died at 41 from breast cancer. Check me if I'm wrong here Scotty, but screening her at 50 is gonna be a tad late.

b to tha g

the caring "tea partiers", or is it TEA-baggers?

It's T-Baggaz, yo.

Jane

It's far more likely that she put it off because she was "too busy"


That was my first thought too. I do the exact same thing. If I die don't bother to talk about me Mr. President.

pagar

If there is an JOM award for best sentence of the day, it should go to Mike S for his 01:59 PM post.

"He can lie twice as fast as he can be caught lying."

It seems to me that one has to examine every word Obama says to determine it if is a lie. Very few of them appear not to be.

Captain Hate

I've held off on mentioning this, but a little over 15 years ago at age 44, Mrs Hate noticed a small lump in her breast and pointed it out to me. There was no hesitation about having it checked out promptly, which revealed that it was malignant and led to the lump and surrounding lymph nodes being removed followed by an aggressive series of radiation treatment and chemo. Thanks to all of the above, she's cancer free. If we hadn't dealt with it promptly, it's hard to believe that we would have had a happy ending. But it would've only been our fault for that; not our insurance provider who was top-notch in working with us to handle it.

Toonces is a moron to try to use this story for political gain. Like everything else he's done in the last year, this won't end well.

Ignatz

--Thanks to all of the above, she's cancer free.--

Very cool CH.

--I have, as a former healthe insurance worker, you would not be praising Health insurance if you were.--

That is quite possibly the most back-asswards, ungrammatical sentence I have ever read.

PD

That is quite possibly the most back-asswards, ungrammatical sentence I have ever read.

Perhaps it explains the state of the health insurance industry? Or at least, if these are the people that leftists associate with in their hives, it explains why they think what they think about the health insurance industry.

cathyf

Suppose the story was that there was this woman who froze to death in the cardboard box she lived in, and she lived in a cardboard box because her apartment cost $420/month.

Wouldn't we all expect some explanation for why this woman was so impoverished that she couldn't afford $5000/year in rent? Some explanation as to why she didn't go to the homeless shelter or to stay with friends when the snowstorm approached?

But somehow we accept this as a reasonable thing -- that someone who has the thousands of dollars to spend on other things couldn't possibly be expected to spend some money on her own health care.

Janet

That was my first thought too. I do the exact same thing. If I die don't bother to talk about me Mr. President.

Well said Jane...IMO Obama and the whole "I" generation is gonna have trouble with death. We'll have to change laws, outlaw products, and stop whatever we're doing to commemorate these individuals. The over-the-top obsession with youth, healthy living, and "any tragedy is someone's fault" will not allow this group to go gracefully.

Jim Ryan

but I haven't heard any alternatives from republicans

Don't beat yourself up over it. My next door neighbor didn't even know that the Dems had a bill, and he bloviates on blogs all the time.

My name here

People get buried in weird ways -- such as in a recliner with a tv remote in hand. But stuffing a corpse into an Obama t-shirt has uniquely weird vibes.

Neo

OK. If you must.

You can put the "Nixon Now" sticker, that I've been saving, on my casket.

Janet

Oh, we could have fun with a T-shirt contest...
"I was a vegetarian...lotta good it did me!"

ken in sc

This sounds a lot like the ‘bloody shirt’ tactic in Latin American politics. The new leader of the masses waves the bloody shirt of a martyr to the cause to rally the faithful to the barricades. It’s a third world thing, you wouldn’t understand.

Janet

I have a t-shirt that says "I ♥ Halliburton!"

Jim Ryan

These days lots of the ladies want to be buried in chick magnet and Director of the Office of Management and Budget Peter Orszag shirts.

jimmyk

There's no insurance policy in the world that can make you go to the doctor. And that would be true under Obamacare (may it rest in peace) as under the current system.

glasater

I have a John Connally for Prez campaign button--to be placed with my remains....

Jane

There's no insurance policy in the world that can make you go to the doctor.

Exactly.

Ignatz

--These days lots of the ladies want to be buried in chick magnet and Director of the Office of Management and Budget Peter Orszag shirts.--

Are those the ones he's taking off our backs?

Porchlight

OT,

Happy 99th Birthday, Ronald Wilson Reagan!

Borrowing this pic from Mitch Berg's post at HotAir:

"That millions of Americans are channeling the best of Reagan as we approach his centenary – he’d have been 99 today – is perhaps the best legacy of all."

Miss you, Mr. President.

Porchlight

Oops, the pic worked in preview...sorry, folks. Mitch's post is worth a read!

Tom Maguire

Check me if I'm wrong here Scotty, but screening her at 50 is gonna be a tad late.

Darn, I have misplaced my calculator...

hit and run

RIP,Melanie Shouse. At least her family and friends can be comforted by the fact that she did not suffer at the hands of http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2009/08/as-the-debate-winds-down/comments/page/3/#comment-6a00d83451b2aa69e20120a53dcdf6970c>state-run health care,even if she wanted to be subjected to it.

I always used to go round to see my mother each day to make sure she had everything she needed. One morning I got the urge to ring her for some inexplicable reason,she sounded hoarse,so it seemed a good idea to pop round and check her out.She was unwell so I called the doctor out,he prescribed some antibiotics and said "keep an eye on her". Since the carers were due at that time it was possible to collect the prescription and get some shopping done. Having done that,I went home,her cleaner was there,she was also a friend.

Later that day,the cleaner phoned to say my mother had "crawled upstairs" and gone to bed. She was like that very independent.

She was in bed and having trouble breathing and could not lie down,it appeared to be heart failure,a familiar condition. I gave her ten minutes to decide on an ambulance or a cup of tea.She opted for the ambulance.

The ambulance was rapid,since they had a description of the problem,the paramedics dealt with the situation efficiently and professionally. Unfortunately I could not go in the ambulance with her,because,it was night,my money and medication were at home,all I was wearing was trousers and a T shirt.

On arrival in the ward the following morning,a doctor ushered me into a side room.

"We treated her for heart failure not knowing she had bad kidneys" "She has about a month,all I can tell you is when it happens it will be quick"

All I could think of saying was "Have you anything else to say to me"

The doctor hesitated "No", he said and left the room with his assistant,(witness)

Visiting was Hell! It was a fight to get flexible visiting times,the jobsworths fought it every inch,despite my being the only family member.

I watched my mother die alone, in a side room,the nurse was on her tea break,the pain killing drugs that had been promised, unadministered. She was eighty four.

Fuck the National Health Service!!!!
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Kidney failure is horrendous. Victims literally die before your eyes as the salt builds up in their bodies,the faculties decay, one by one. I watched her go blind an assume the characteristics of dementia.

One sister said,when I asked her to help her move."She can do it herself"!

Whilst General Practitioners know their patients,hospitals can be on the level of battery chicken factories.
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Terrible indeed. Medical have to be impersonal to a certain extent to stay sane,but that doesn't help the patient or their families.

A friend of mine,a philosopher,says that the moral component has disappeared from medical ethics. Everything is now distilled down to utilitarian and legal considerations

This,I think, removes the humanity from medicine,and indeed many other areas of life.
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It wasn't about me,I just did what ever was best for my mother.If it took grovelling the so be it,if it took a temper tantrum,off we go.Plenty of schmoozing the nurses who looked after her. Whatever creates the best environment.
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I've never talked about it before,I sense it is a more common experience.There needs to be a greater concentration on medical ethics,doctors aren't fixing clunkers,but human beings.
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The worst was watching the end,despite promises, my mother did not die easy.She was obviously in great pain when the salt reached her heart.As she went her false teeth came out.I put them back and stroked her hair into place,gave her a last kiss on her forehead,spent some time,I know not how long,with while the nurses came and pronounced her dead.

Then I rang my lift who had gone home,not thinking it would be so quick,and walked the four miles back to her house,locked up and went home.
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I was alone with her in the room.They always wheeled them into that side room to die.It was the absence of nursing or other staff that was appalling,that and the lack of any palliative medication.
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She died the 8th July 2003.
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Not hard to keep calm.I'm neurotic about things like losing a pair of glasses,but anything serious and I go ice cold efficient. Just made that way I suppose.
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Amazing how the human race adapts to the most cruel afflictions.That is why the "death panels" are so obscene,people can live a life even under the most difficult conditions. Who is some little Nazi like Emanuel to withhold treatment?
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This is the story of the human race,it is all our stories,they should be taken into account in any health system.

The quality of their lives and magnitude of their losses should be factored into the equation.We should start a movement for morality and humanity in medicine.

Marty

A sad story but she chose to spend her money on other tyhings and opted for a hi-deductible policy, then she didnt folow up when problems arose. The hi-deductible policy probably would have been quite appropriate for cancer.

So she had a plan to eat the small costs in the interest of funding other things, but have coverage against catastrophe. Then, then didn't follow thru to find out why she was feeling bad.

Sad, but her foolish gamble is no reason to tear the insurance system apart.

hit and run

Rob Crawford:
WTF is the "Big Insurance Monopoly"?

It's money in your pocket,that's what! As long you're willing to oppose Obama's health care plans be a stooge of the Big Insurance Monopoly.

Payday: Big Insurance, Giant Check

The only problem is,my bank doesn't cash "giant checks".

Dang it.

Danube of Thought

" Has any of the posters been in a meeting when coverage for a person is discussed?"

Perhaps if we had we would understand why the private insurance industry rate for claims denials is 3.5%, whereas that of Medicare is 6.8%.

Captain Hate

The hi-deductible policy probably would have been quite appropriate for cancer.

Exactly; and another reason why Toonces doesn't know WTF he's talking about regarding any aspect of health insurance.

Btw, even though I like to use Mrs Hate's story as a positive thing regarding cancer and early detection, I've had two close friends that did all the right things but it was just dumb luck that produced the ultimate bad results. In the case of one who lived around the block from me, when I went to visit her to see if I could help with anything, it was hard to look her in the eye and see the defeated look; and know that she knew what I saw. I'm really disgusted about any politician, and particularly this one, trying to make points on this.

RhameyManuel

Small business can get their own insurance at reasonable rates, if only for the owners since they are primarily responsible for generating revenue AND PROFIT.

Once can always find anecdotal evidence of unfairness or problems. But, do not fall for the liberal's total commitment to FEELINGS over LOGIC.

Liberalism is a disease which must be eradicated. The first remedy will occur during 2010 elections. The final remedy will be in 2012. FREE AT LAST!

Ignatz

--Btw, even though I like to use Mrs Hate's story as a positive thing regarding cancer and early detection, I've had two close friends that did all the right things but it was just dumb luck that produced the ultimate bad results.--

Very true Captain.
I bumped into two close friends of ours in the hospital in 2006 when my wife was very sick and in ICU. He was there for a biopsy because he was suddenly jaundiced and his wife's face was ashen with fear. Liver cancer.
He did chemo with my wife several times but only lived a year or two.
We are still very close to the wife and go over to her house every couple of weeks. But I always feel an uncomfortable type of survivor's guilt that my wife is still here and healthy and he is gone. They were childhood sweethearts with a long inseperable marriage and both were/are saints.

John in CA

Why does Obama assume she would be able to afford a mandatory high-coverage policy under Obamacare? If she couldn't afford it now, maybe she would have chosen to pay the fine and gone completely uninsured. Her "income" from her business may have disqualified her for much if any of a subsidy. Different scenario, same result.

Rob Crawford

Why does Obama assume she would be able to afford a mandatory high-coverage policy under Obamacare?

Immaterial. The anecdote is not intended to show the superiority of his plan, but rather to inspire the audience to anger.

ithought

I thought the Obama administration told us 41-year-olds don't need routine breast cancer examinations anyway. Or at least, not unless they make for good applause lines in an Obama speech

RandalZipper

There are two sides to this womans story. Her blame the insurance industry excuse was not justified, she made a choice to save money, a choice she would deny everyone else. If there was universal coverage, however, she would have gotten a Mamogram.

The real question is this. She chose to skip responsible health checkups because she needed the money to get her small business off of the ground. Does that mean that with Universal Health Care more small businesses will fail?? If she needed the money so do they.

caro

Zippy-

Does that mean that with Universal Health Care more small businesses will fail?? If she needed the money so do they.

BINGO!

cathyf

hit -- there is something I just figured out about that link to PUK's description of his mum's death. When Tom jiggered the JOM typepad settings, he changed how many comments appear on the page. If you look at your link, it was on page 3 when originally posted, but now it's on page 2.

Typepad is evil.

teapartyatperrysburg

She wasn't even BURIED in it...she was CREMATED in it!

Machifer

The idea of burying an Obama worker in her Tee shirt, to identify her shame for all eternity, is symbolically satisfying. I would be happy to see all Obama supporters buried similarly and soon. That is kinder that the fate they have desired for us.

Mycroft

The proposed Federal Guidelines also stated that self-exams weren't effective and should no longer be encouraged.

FiddlerBob

It wasn't her fault. Obama promised her he would take her to the doctor as soon as he found his birth certificate.

clarice

HEH

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