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February 28, 2010

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sbw

First!

Professor Chang

I saw a recent study that shows those who post first to a blog thread have lower IQ's than those who post later.

Jane

Wake up!

Roux

Just heard that officials knew that the tsunami in Hawaii was only going to be 6 to 8 ft but decided to evacuate everyone anyway. Don't lie to the public it's not a good idea.

Clarice

I think I'm going to describe myself from now on as an evolutionary anthropologist manque.

Does that sound impressive enough?

Old Lurker

Good Morning!

narciso

This is the height of evolutionary psychology I understand, (sarc) in the LUN

Captain Hate

I just want to make one thing clear today: Chris Wallace is a complete moron and should be sent off with Shep Smith to MSLSD.

centralcal

Good Morning. Captain, what did Chris Wallace do - you see his show hours before I do.

Jane

But capn' Paul Ryan rocks!

Captain Hate

cc, he was "moderating" a back and forth between Kyl and Menendez and was cutting off Kyl's ability to respond to garbage Menendez spouted. I realize that to conduct such a forum you have to make judgment calls to keep the discussion moving forward; I just think he does it extremely poorly and plays devil's advocate so often that he's channeling his commie old man. I never had that feeling when Tony Snow was in his position.

Narciso, I love the whining about McVain from the likes of Kos when he decides to stick it to libs the way he usually does to conservatives. Whether this is part of his re-election strategy or not (and I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him) I'll enjoy it for what it is.

Old Lurker

Ditto that, Cap'n. Fox frustrates the hell out of me. How they can have Brit, Charles and Steve Hayes and not appreciate what morons the others are, and how offputing that is, is beyond me.

goy

Funny, I don't seem to recall the work of this liberal, atheist academic being trumpeted to the left-0-sphere, and beyond.

Oh wait... that's because he told them something they didn't want to hear.

narciso

Another missive from the AQ caucus, in the LUN

Captain Hate

Well yes Jane; Wallace is ok (at best) when there's only one person and Paul Ryan did a very good job of answering all his questions. I hope the Repubs continue to feature Ryan in the chat-fests because he presents his points effectively and looks good doing it. Although I *hate* the cosmetic aspects of selling policies, it's a sad fact that image sells things and as much as I respect Mitch McConnell and his integrity, I think he comes off looking a bit like a dork and prig and confirms the image that dumbasses in the muddle have of Repubs.

Thomas Collins

Narciso, my candidate for the Pinnacle of Evolutionary Development Award goes to Charley Rangel. See LUN.

Old Lurker

ah Tony Snow. Now there was a class act.

narciso

Yes, Shep, Geraldo, & co, belong on Air America TV, Wallace is uneven at times

Captain Hate

The delay of posting comments with this POS software is getting worse for me.

PD

Clarice, you're impressive enough without the credentialist claptrap!

centralcal

OL: "How they can have Brit, Charles and Steve Hayes and not appreciate what morons the others are, and how offputing that is, is beyond me."

I have often felt the same way, but I also think that it amplifies and illuminates the morons. Much like what happened with Obami's HCR summit. Compare and contrast - morons (liberals/progresives) always rise and float on the surface for all to see. And, not in a good way.

centralcal

I agree about the posting delay, Captain. It is weird how it comes and goes. Some days good, some days not so good.

I wonder if it relates to the number of blog columns in play, and commenters posting to different threads?

Jane

BTW, the entire FOX panel, Juan, Maura, Bill and Liz Cheney agree with me. They don't have the votes.

(Is is premature to take a bow? Yes it is)

Captain Hate

Jane I thought Juan said he thought it would go through (granted I tend to fade a bit when he starts talking...)

Pofarmer

Problem is, even if they don't have the votes to pass this monstrosity, they'll start trying to pass stuff piecemeal that seems reasonable on the surface. 10 200 page bills, in other words.

Neo

Cute

Neo

I'm curious about the reconciliation process ... first, they pass the "Senate Bill," then, they pass the "reconciliation."

Exactly what happens if they pass the "Senate Bill" but "reconciliation" fails ?

Doesn't this open the door for all kinds of backroom deals ?

Porchlight

Well, Po, for what it's worth Nancy says incrementalism is the devil, or something. It's comprehensive or nothing for her (or so she says).

Old Lurker

Po, that is exactly what Clinton did with great success after HilaryCare crashed and burned.

Captain Hate

Nancy says incrementalism is the devil, or something. It's comprehensive or nothing for her (or so she says).

The more they keep spouting gibberish like this the more they show the muddle what complete buffoons they are. Even the MSM can't protect them from seeming like they're part of some bizarre cult talking in tongues.

Old Lurker

Neo you just put your finger on the fight between Pelosi and Reid.

Jim Ryan

that is exactly what Clinton did with great success after HilaryCare crashed and burned.

But Clinton had brains.

Extraneus

They can do some stuff, but they can't do what they want incrementally. For example, could they pass the mandate by itself? No way. And if they don't get the mandate, they need a public option that can be priced to undercut private insurance companies. Could they get that now? Doubtful.

Can they pass a law prohibiting private insurance companies from turning down applicants with pre-existing conditions? Seems absurd, but I guess it's possible.

They seem boxed in to me, but I'm sure someone with a long strategic view could come up with a plan. It would have to involve further undercutting the current health care system, so as to make things worse and worse until people are willing to accept the statist takeover. Real improvements would have to be defeated at every turn.

The Republican plans could stand on their own, though. Tort reform is just fine by itself, and so is interstate insurance competition, for example.

Rick Ballard

Thoughts of the public hangings scheduled for November will soon be the focus of BOzo and The Unflushables. The window for even incrementalist legislation is closing rather quickly. IMO - the current posturing is about cash flow for the elections. The various spoutings by Pelosi and Reid are designed to "keep hope alive" (and prog pinheads' wallets open). I was delighted to read the piece on labor's reassessment of political efforts based upon BOzo's failure to deliver card check. Perhaps they will spend the '10 cycle replenishing the plunder which they extort from the rank and file rather than blowing even more money on Dems who cannot be trusted to honor their lease agreements.

centralcal

Rick Ballard: "... - the current posturing is about cash flow for the elections."

You could be quite right. Plouffe brought back into the inner sanctum. Desiree given the boot for Smoot. Some suggest she (Smoot) is coming on board to wine and dine the big donors at the "people's" house (soon to be the "elite's" house if she is successful).

Old Lurker

"BOzo and The Unflushables"

What a boring life this would be without Rick.

sam

"Exactly what happens if they pass the "Senate Bill" but "reconciliation" fails ?"

There will be no reconciliation.

Why? Simple logic.

House needs to pass the senate bill first, and then the HC bill needs to be signed into law.

As soon as it is done, Senate will not even waste one hour talking about the wildly unpopular topic of Healthcare.

They will have as law what they wanted to have as law.

Why would Tester, Webb, et al keep putting their necks on the line for Charlie Rangel, Nancy Pelosi and McDermott.?

Danube of Thought

Jane, that's magnificent news. The program doesn't start for another ten minutes out here, but I'll sure be watching.

Roux, I doubt if that's the case. I think it's pretty well understood that no one can know what effect a tsunami is going to have until it arrives. And what makes them so destructive (when they are) is not the height of the wave, but its duration. It isn't a "wave" like you see the surfers riding, it's a rise in the level of the ocean. (I say all of this solely on the basis of what I have heard a bunch of seismologists say on TV. I'd love to hear from anyone with first-hand knowledge or experience.)

daddy

What with the Olympic Competitive spirit wrapping up tonight, I was wondering about your thoughts on which Free World Leader you think takes the Gold in the activity engaged in on these 2 short videos.

Much as I'd like to give our sophisticated and cerebral President the Gold, I think Prime Minister Gordon Brown currently leads the Competition by a nose, and we Yank's may have to settle for the Silver.

But I'm biased, so start your voting. I'll tally the results tonight, and award the Medals come closing ceremonies.

Feel free to grade on Technical Difficulty and Artistic Merit, but I am flexible if you care to grade on any other categories you deem relevant.


So without further ado, let the competition begin:

1) ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VaP1HB7Vew"> Britain's Prime Minister Gordon Brown's routine.

2) ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_hJ-1JdwFw"> US President Barack Obama's routine.

Danube of Thought

From the NYTimes:

“'The concern among Democrats right now is that there are more yes votes reconsidering than no votes,' said David Wasserman, who tracks House races for the nonpartisan Cook Political Report. 'My sense is that for Democrats to pass this bill, they would have to convince several members who are already in serious jeopardy, even after voting no on the first health care bill, to put passage of the bill ahead of their own chances of being competitive in the fall.'”

Danube of Thought

Gold to Brown. Slam dunk.

sbw

I vote for "The Unflushables" as the Quote of the Day.

Poster: Plunge the Unflushables!

Jim Ryan

Quote of day was

Possibly my most startling insight of the day, and I can only hope it will come back to me...

Jane

Capn' I admit I faded out for Juan too, but I figured he went with the rest of the panel. So I concede 3-1.

Jane

Daddy,

I can't believe you almost made me watch that.

goy

"The concern among Democrats right now..."

Hard to avoid feeling completely dispirited by the fact that this decision is being made primarily based on a few politicos' perceived chances for re-election.

I mean, a "jobs" bill one can pump full of pork for one's district is one thing. But supporting a bill that will permanently erase the Republican Form of Government guaranteed by our Constitution and which, to boot, is destined to fail even at its ostensible purpose...? Who are these people? In what factory are they manufactured?? And how soon can we nuke it?

sbw

Instapundit Glenn Reynolds pointer: Eating boogers stimulates your immune system.

[I can't believe I'm contributing to this OT thread]

Jim Ryan

Hmm. I kinda like this goyische blog.

larry

Sen (D) Conrad, Chair of Budget Committee, the MFWIC on this case, said a short time ago on Face the Nation the Senate cannot use reconciliation to pass the "big" health care bill. It can only be used to address budget-related items, such as, increased funding for Medicaid expansion. This is big.

Captain Hate

daddy, I watched your Holes beat Weak Florist yesterday and have become convinced that Roy has recruited McDs AAs that must've been used to a slower halfcourt game because I don't think I've seen so many missed layups by a D-1 team. Fortunately for you Dino is a complete moron and his team reflected it.

My Terps were able to beat the Chokies in 2 OTs in a game that was delayed for 3 hours because a beer truck ran into a fire hydrant which shut off running water to their arena; apparently "Polytechnic" doesn't include the ability to maintain a water system in Blacksburg. I wish we had an AD other than a beancounting scrunt with no loyalty to the school who would've told them to play the game on time in an empty arena or forfeit. It was a sad day for the ACC when they let the governor of Virginia talk the schools into letting those idiots in the conference; a better alternative would've been to send the Hoos packing.

Clarice

sbw, that is very interesting actually..Maybe we ought to stop trying to get the kids to stop that revolting looking habit.

Danube of Thought

Interesting article about public employee unions. Can they be rendered illegal by an executive order? If so, seems to me that's a winning issue for the 2012 candidate.

Danube of Thought

I understand Nancy said this morning that she has the votes. And she's still babbling about "keeping the insurance companies honest."

As I understand it, each chamber wants the other to go first, and neither side has blinked yet. Conrad said a week ago that if Pelosi insists on the Senate going first, "it's dead."

Thomas Collins

Captain Hate, what do you think about BC in the ACC?

Daddy, you may be amused to hear that Deadhorse has revived her blog, although her focus now appears to be Dance Marathan as opposed to hanging out at truck stops and hitching rides with truckers on the Dalton Highway.

Clarice, I suppose the study is interesting, but I think the more interesting issue is whether finger pickers have higher IQs than those who remember to bring tissues.

And to Canadian JOMers, I'll still love you no matter how today's Hockey Armageddon turns out!

Jim Ryan

What the hell's Zero going to do for three years without Cap and Trade, health care or decent approvals? It's like trying to imagine what's inside a perfect vacuum. Zero.

Captain Hate

Captain Hate, what do you think about BC in the ACC?

I have mixed feelings. I've always enjoyed their football program so that was a plus. I don't dislike them in the conf as much as VT except nobody in the Boston area seems to care about them; the attendance they get is absolutely pathetic. It seems like the complete opposite of LA in football where they can't support an NFL franchise but flock to USC & UCLA.

Danube of Thought

I think if Obamacare fails we're looking at a three-year lame duck who is bored with the job.

goy

"What the hell's Zero going to do..."

The only honorable thing.

Blame Bush.

daddy

manque
One entry found.


Main Entry: man·qué
Pronunciation: \mäⁿ-ˈkā\
Function: adjective
Etymology: French, from past participle of manquer to lack, fail, from Italian mancare, from manco lacking, left-handed, from Latin, having a crippled hand, probably from manus
Date: 1778
: short of or frustrated in the fulfillment of one's aspirations or talents —used postpositively

"I think I'm going to describe myself from now on as an evolutionary anthropologist manque.

Does that sound impressive enough?"

Absolutely, Now that I know what a manque is. Heck it even sounded impressive when I didn't know what a manque was.

daddy

Jane,

P'UK first posted that Gordon Brown video, so I thought that gave me moral cover to re-link it. After all, didn't we learn yesterday that the secret of intellectual morality was something like if your girlfriend hosed a nose-picking neighbor, you could pretty much do the same?

Anyhow, so far looks like like 2 votes for Gordo, but the day is young.

Captain, my Heels stink. Think I'll be forced to switch to pulling for TC's daughter who plays the trombone in the Northwestern Marching Band just to make it through March Madness this season. Can it get any more pathetic for a TarHeel than that? Ughh.

glasater

Pelosi just told Candy Crowley on CNN--"there is no bill"...

Captain Hate

daddy mark my words: Roy is reloading this season and will snare Ring #3 in 2 years. And cheer for my Turtles dammit!!

glasater

Fareed is interviewing Soros right now on CNN.

Porchlight

“'The concern among Democrats right now is that there are more yes votes reconsidering than no votes,'

Good article, thanks for the heads up. That is my sense of what is happening. It's going to become easier and easier for Dems to defend (or adopt) a "no" stance in the days to come.

Jane

Has anyone else noticed that the libs have adopted a new standard for eithics violations? If it doesn't affect national security, regardless of how much it enriches you, ala Charlie Rangel, it's not worth dealing with.

Pelosi said it on ABC to be echoed by Krugman, Rather and Roberts.

daddy

That'll be easy to do CH 'cause we'll be gone from the Tourney so early it'll be easy to pull for your Terps.

DrJ

And for today's Pelosi wisdom:

Evil Repubs hijacked "tea party" movement

I pick, you pick, we all pick for the herd.

sbw, shades of blogwars past. One of my first internet triumphs was grossing out a horde of very tough cookies with my snotty comments.
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MarkO

My Captian, My Captain. The Terps? Their coach sweats so much that Al Gore has listed him as evidence of global warming. Carolina sucks, proving Ol Roy to be little more than the beneficiary of the power of the very name North Carolina to recruit on its own.

No. It's Duke. Go, Blue Devils.

Don't eat that bugger; feed it to the baby.

It takes a community's viruses to properly immunize a child.
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Danube of Thought

How many share my view that Nancy Pelosi is moderately insane?

DrJ

"Moderately" is too modest.

Gmax

Perhaps the only moderate description of Pelosi that I would sign on to!

PD

Moderate men of all shades of opinion agree that Nancy is a git.

Captain Hate

No. It's Duke. Go, Blue Devils.

K's been in a familiar rut for the last 6 years:
A. Recruit from Aryan Nation
B. Only go 3 deep on the bench
C. Over-reliance on the 3 pointer
D. Over-reliance on ACC offensive flops fouls
E. Early tourney out against lower-seeded team

I'll remind you when it happens in less than a month

Gmax

Trust me on this one point on the ACC, there aint gonna be any Tarheels cheering for Duke, unless it for Duke to trip on the sidewalk coming into the arena. The two schools are too close, hell the fight song for Carolina has the words "go to hell Duke!"
I heard for 5 years...

Danube of Thought

Sad to contemplate the current state of the once-proud ACC. Remember when Terps, Cavs, Heels and Demon Deacons were all worth watching? Remember looking forward to the ACC Tournament? It was even worth putting up with Dick Vitale to watch it...

Ann

Burger King Catches ObamaCare Fever!

Photobucket

LOL

h/t Catoatliberty.org

Danube of Thought

I just learned (via Barone) that, according to Kent Conrad, reconciliation cannot be used on a bill that has not already become law. Conrad is chair of the Senate Budget Committee, so I guess that issue is settled. This would seem to mean that Pelosi has to pass the Senate bill first or else. But I confess I'm a bit lost where these procedures are concerned.

Jane

DoT,

From the beginning I have had that the House has to pass it first. Now they may try and pretend that is not the case, but it is.

Clarice

DoT beat me it, Jane. Barone shares your view that NCR is dead.

Old Lurker

I'm not paying off on that bet yet.

Rick Ballard

My understanding is that reconciliation refers to the financial aspects of the bill and the current budget - they could chip out or rehash anything with a dollar sign on it but they have to start with a common text, not Catcher In the Rye and The Bhagavad Gita.

Motor mouth Pelosi appears more insane than usual because keeping this Norwegian Blue on the perch takes tremendous effort. She also sees her pathetic career ending in abject failure before the end of the year. Hoyer has a whetstone out and is putting a fine edge on a hatchet already - she won't be the Minority Leader nor will she ever hold a leadership post of any type again.

daddy

Jane,

I don't know how this all happens, but I don't trust them. So I hope that if and when this comes up for some quickly scheduled Senate vote chicanery, that we are not caught blindsided and can instantly mobilize folks to surround the Capital en masse to unequivocally announce our opposition.

If a Sarah book-signing in Lisa Murkowsky's office spaces on the date of the vote would help, I'm all for it, or for anything else that can get us out with pitchforks to express our anger at this attempt at hi-jacking our Republic.

Clarice

Let's hire every ambulance on the East coast on that day..jump inside and ring the capitol..LOL

Thomas Collins

Can I have some red wine with my crow, Jane?

MarkO

Duke wiil accept no cheers from Tar Heels, including one of the Carolina exemplars, John Edwards.

Unfortunately, Duke has academic standards that limit its recruits to those who can read and write.

But, the idea that some other conference is better is simply sick and wrong.

DrJ

2-1 Canada. Hockey -- what else?

narciso

These people, Pelosi, Krugman are certifiable

Clarice

Jane will be all choked up..Ap reports Joseph P. Kennedy III will not run for Delahunt's seat.

Jane

I don't know how this all happens, but I don't trust them.

Me neither, but I'm pretty confident that if they do cheat to pull this off, there will be people who take to the streets.

It ain't over til it's over TC

And may that apply to the USA hockey team.

Clarice, that's the best news of the day!

Rick Ballard

Narciso,

Krugman granted himself absolution with the passage of Stim I. He declared that it needed to be twice as big (a political impossibility) in order to be effective. He will spend the rest of his miserable life on the "if only they had listened" stump. Pelosi (and Reid) are now reduced to Kabuki players waiting for the final curtain. Hoyer and now Conrad have started the life boat evacuation and as soon as all the women and children have been thrown overboard it will be every man for himself.

I'm just wondering what we could do to generate a little more mass hysteria among the party faithful.

Danube of Thought

If the Dems lose the house, I don't think Pelosi will bother to stick around in any capacity. The oaf Hastert had no interest in reverting to ordinary congressman status, and I can't imagine she would either.

I wonder whether, should it come to reconciliation, McConnell would have the steel to hold up Senate indefinitely with amendments.

Patrick R. Sullivan

People, if the House passes the Senate bill, as is, there's no need for reconciliation. In that case they have a law to send to Obama for his signature.

That that hasn't been done already tells us a lot about Pelosi's vote count; she doesn't have them.

Reconciliation refers to the leaders of both houses getting together to compromise between the House and Senate bills, and then each house votes again on the reconciled bill. Again, since that hasn't happened already, it tells us they don't have the votes for it. They wouldn't have needed the summit/BS-fest last Thursday if they'd had the votes.

In addition, as Kent Conrad apparently admits, reconciliation violates the rules of the Senate. The reconciled bill is subject to filibuster.

Conrad realizes that only bills that are required by the Constitution--e.g., a budget, and Senate consent to Presidential appointments--have been universally accepted as not subject to filibuster. Which rules out health care (or any other policy bills).

larry

Dam hockey's makin an old man outa me.

Jane

SCORE!!!!!! 32 seconds to go!

hit and run

USA! USA! USA!

24 seconds left for the tying goal in the 3rd period.

OT baby.

Dave (in MA)

wow

DrJ

Tied, 2-2, at the end of regulation time. The US pulled its goalie to get the extra man, and it paid off.

Patrick R. Sullivan

Friend of JOM, The Scrivener,explains (quoting the New Republic) what difficulties there are with reconciliation:

the problems with reconciliation are legion...

of particular importance to a massive and open-ended bill like health care, the Senate’s PAYGO rule requires 60 votes for any provision that would increase the deficit by more than $5 billion in any ten-year period going all the way out to the year 2059. (You read that correctly: 2059.)...

in the Senate the authors of the Budget Act who drafted this provision back in 1974 neglected to limit the number of amendments that can be offered. This leads to perhaps the Senate’s most stupefying activity (in a chamber chock full of stupefying activity)--"vote-a-rama." ... senators can still offer an unlimited number of amendments ... And by "unlimited," I mean it is never less than dozens but could easily stretch into the hundreds...

reconciliation would give the minority party in the Senate a chance to force a separate roll call vote on every line of the bill...

[Also]

The requirement that every single provision in a reconciliation bill have budgetary impact means that the bill cannot address regulatory issues, consumer protection issues, or items like abortion.

The open-ended limitations on deficit increases sharply curtail any additional spending in the bill and mean that most changes made by reconciliation that affect spending and revenues must expire in ten years.

And the requirement that congressional committees hold a new two-stage markup process, combined with the usual (if time-limited) floor consideration and conference processes, means that using reconciliation would occupy all of Congress’s attention [for months]..."

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