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March 30, 2010



He's as puzzled as Brooks is fast on the draw about the dilemma of choosing between an academy award and a cheating husband (a husband who IIRC was previously married to a porn star),


Cassidy supports the health care bill on moral grounds, but he has deep doubts about its fiscal sustainability.

That's just great. If morality can disregard the laws of economics, why not just have free goodies for everyone? On moral grounds, of course.


If morality can disregard the laws of economics, why not just have free goodies for everyone?

A question which genuinely confounds liberals, if you can believe that.

Thomas Collins

The important thing for the Dems was to get this bill passed, so that the amendments would be to a bill expanding governmental intervention in the health care area, as opposed to tweaking a market incentives bill. That's why total repeal needs to be kept on the table. If not total repeal, substantial modification, as Clinton was forced to accept with AFDC (notwithstanding Clinton's slick rhetoric, I don't think AFDC reform would have passed without the 1994 GOP victories).

Danube of Thought

The pattern can be seen in student loans.

This thing must be repealed. Our country will never be the same if it is allowed to stand, and in fact it seems there will never again be a country like ours. The problem is that virtually the entire Democratic Party devoutly hopes for both outcomes.

Jane says obamasucks

I think the entire democrat party is just stupid. They don't understand the ramifications and care less. And it's about time we started looking for a reason to impeach.


From AmSpec. I am so disgusted:

Obama in Rude Denial

"Most of these people [in the Administration] have never had a real job in their lives. They don't understand a thing about business, and that includes the President," says a senior lobbyist for one of the companies that announced the charge. "My CEO sat with the President over lunch with two other CEOs, and each of them tried to explain to the President what this bill would do to our companies and the economy in general. First the President didn't understand what they were talking about. Then he basically told my boss he was lying. Frankly my boss was embarrassed for him; he clearly had not been briefed and didn't know what was in the bill."
Jane says obamasucks

I tell you, he needs to be impeached. I think the Sestak bribe is a good place to start.


well thanks to a blind squirel-- Cassidy of the New Yorker -- we all now know what the Righties have been saying for years is true. Who knew? One more thing is true, Obamacare will run out of other people's money long before the evil plan is fulfilled. It is a financial train wreck.


Soylent Red

Cassidy supports the health care bill on moral grounds, but he has deep doubts about its fiscal sustainability.

So if it was fiscally sustainable, degrading individual liberty, rationing benefits, and demanding that a few people pay for the benefits of the many would be just hunky dory.

Got it.

Rick Ballard

I don't believe stupidity is grounds for impeachment. Carter proved that sheer incompetence won't do the trick either.


Cassidy's nonsense reminds me of liberals from a generation ago who would say "Of course socialism would be the best system, but it's just not practical." (I vaguely remember my father saying something like that to me when I was a teen.) It's hard to know where to begin attacking a statement like that.


Cassidy supports the health care bill on moral grounds

It's just as well I don't live in New York, so I don't have the temptation to mug people like Cassidy and tell them, "don't worry, the money's going to good causes - 45% to the Salvation Army, 45% to the NRA; I keep just 10% for myself."

He might benefit from the direct experience of getting shaken down to fulfill somebody else's moral priorities.


It's hard to know where to begin attacking a statement like that.

I heard nearly those exact words a couple of weeks ago from a woman at church. Know what she does for a living? Prosecutes Medicare fraud.

Danube of Thought

When I hear someone talk about the "morality" of legislation to tax some people for the benefit of others while restricting the liberty of all, I reach for my revolver. (Uh-oh--maybe that old chestnut is no longer in vogue.)

Danube of Thought

Sorry to go OT yet again, but don't miss this. Worth a thousand words and more.


Growing 'Frustration' With Steele Inside RNC

Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele “allowed a certain climate to exist” that resulted in the committee paying for a now infamous visit to a Los Angeles strip club, a senior RNC committeeman tells Fox News.

Ah, the joys of intended unintended consequences.




Get your free Barack Obama commemorative health care reform certificate today!

Jim Miller

Tom - Here's another example for your list. Lefty cartoonist David Horsey expressed some mild doubts about the financing of ObamaCare -- on March 23rd. But he's still for it.

It's a good cartoon, but I do question the timing.

Rick Ballard

"It's hard to know where to begin attacking a statement like that."


It cannot be from reason for reason played no part in the development of the statement. Although my initial reaction when confronted by the idiocy of collectivist utopian sentiment is to search for a blunt instrument with which to gain close attention, I suppose "I want to go to a movie tonight, will you give me $20 for a ticket and snacks?" might serve a similar purpose.

There just isn't any common ground involved.

Frau Krankenhaus

Insty's link to Grand Rounds-Health Care Reform left me depressed: the blogging medicos seem really happy that folks will *finally* get necessary help and even the dentist sees "good things" in the future. (No one worried about the bankruptcy of our country.) Just think -no more fat slobs, bad teeth, poor nutrition. Just think -idiots who will be free to follow their dreams.

Jane says obamasucks

I am completely overwhelmed at how breathtakingly arrogant and incompetent this president is. How long can his fans ignore what he is doing to this country.

narciso the harpoon

Not everyone was clueless there, but a disturbing number were,

Buford Gooch

It is harder to fire Chairman Steele than it would be to fire someone of lighter complexion. My choice for a replacement would be Ken Blackwell.

Purple Pimpernel

..."in fact it seems there will never again be a country like ours."

Is that, in fact, a lamentation, or is it exultation? It seems to sound like the grief of the rich, (or the 'vote-against-my-own- interest semi-educated) which suddenly recognizes that the Golden Rule is not an option, but a requirement on civilized behavior.

Purple Pimpernel

How can you discuss the Golden Rule with those who have lost their spiritual compass?

The RightWing Christian Militias echo the (admittedly most extreme) sector of the Republican party.


"The Republican Party is doing a great job in provoking such a dangerous episode by making consensual governance impossible in a time of awful practical problems and challenges. They're in the process, right now, of transforming themselves from the party of "no" to the party of no decency, no common sense, no ideas, no conception of the public interest, and no respect for the traditions that they pretend to stand for, like due process of law. In the days since the passage of health care reform, they've gone as far as inciting mobs to violence against their fellow congressmen and senators -- bricks thrown through windows, death threats made, coffins placed in the yards of their adversaries. One day soon, somebody with a gun or an explosive device, someone with a very sketchy sense-of-self, and perhaps a recent record of personal failure and humiliation, is going to sacrifice himself to become the Tea Party's first martyr by shooting up a shopping mall in some blue district.
Republican leaders' avidity to ally themselves with the followers of hate-monger entertainers like Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and the Fox News gang is only the beginning of the process that will lead to a political convulsion possibly worse than the one that started at Fort Sumter, South Carolina, 1861. If it comes, it will certainly be a far more incoherent conflict. The guerilla forces of the radical right will not know whether they are fighting for WalMart, or the Financial Services arm of General Electric, or against abortions, or for bigger and better freeways, or the rights of thoracic surgeons to drive families into bankruptcy, or against the idea of climate change, or evolution, or Jews-in-the-media, or their neighbors having something they feel envious about...."

Rick Ballard

"the Golden Rule is not an option, but a requirement on civilized behavior"

That would be an Iron Law, maintained by force alone and very fitting for collectivist slavery.

We have idiots popping up like mushrooms or less savory funghi today.

Hie thee hence, buffoon.


Why is it that each victory just keeps making the left more angry and bitter?


The price for IMAX 3D in Manhattan just went up to $19.50. Tub-O-Popcorn and a diet coke will probably run you another $12.00 so better ask for $40.

Make it $50 if you want to really go in utopian style and hit the fellow traveller sitting in his own urine out front with a 10 spot..

Rick Ballard

"Why is it that each victory just keeps making the left more angry and bitter?"

Because the onion domes of Moscow's churches are in sight and it's starting to snow?

Strawman Cometh

I am completely overwhelmed at how breathtakingly arrogant and incompetent this president is.
Ditto, but don't limit your contempt to the prezOdonk, that would be RACIST!!!!!


Because the onion domes of Moscow's churches are in sight and it's starting to snow?

Posted by: Rick Ballard | March 30, 2010 at 07:38 PM

I like it. Obamacare not as Waterloo but as the Russian Campaign. Obama has taken Moscow, but the city is already beginning to burn around him. The next few months will see the long retreat to November.

So what are you fightin' for?

Yep, pp, collectivist authoritarianism; that'll solve our country's problems.

Old Lurker

"The next few months will see the long retreat to November."

That would be a relief, Ranger, but I think not. I think Obama, Pelosi & Reid will do a full court press on the entire agenda. There will be so many balls in the air that we will be exhausted trying to count them, much less bat them down.

Danube of Thought

Is that, in fact, a lamentation, or is it exultation? It seems to sound like the grief of the rich, (or the 'vote-against-my-own- interest semi-educated) which suddenly recognizes that the Golden Rule is not an option, but a requirement on civilized behavior.

The question, standing alone, is comprehensible, and so I will answer it: It is a lamentation, as would be clear to any truly literate reader.

The balance of the material I have quoted makes no sense whatsoever, and so I decline to respond.

So send Sarah a book on Wellington.

OL, I think you may be right, but the troops won't be with them. Remember the old map of western Russia with the temperatures and the size of Napoleon's forces all graphically displayed, how tiny were the ranks as they finally left Russia? And remember, Napoleon abandoned them early and galloped to Paris.

The analogue is, of course, Obama; he's plenty safe in this campaign. But's it's Russian Winter for the Democrats and Waterloo for Obama in 2012.

Danube of Thought


Ain't it grand? This moron cites us to Kunstler, and expects us to read his excerpt, or perhaps even to go to the site.

You're way out of your league here, pal.

Jane says obamasucks

pp is channeling Chris Matthews who said during the 5 minutes I watched, that the right incited the guy who threatened Eric Canter, to violence.

Purple Pimpernel

"You're way out of your league here, pal."

To use Lurkers basketball metaphor, we're the NBA, you're the ABA League.

Purple Pimpernel

"You're way out of your league here, pal."

To use Lurker's basketball metaphor, We're the NBA, you're the ABA League.

Probably laughing it up with Peter as we speak.

Ooh, thanks for the link Porchlight, to American Spectator. I got 'Chains you can bereave in.' over there and am eternally grateful. Speaking of eternity and bereavement, we can be consoled with the thought that Bad is eternally spreading the word, too.

Peter strums, Bad hums.

Whoa, think of the internet they must have!

Two in a row.


He's just mt.

k's d is a pretty good md.

Joan of Arc is so last year.

Or maybe we should just start calling her the Iron Duchess.



Rick Ballard


I would think the 41st vote in the Senate might slow things down a bit. Neither Collins nor Snowe faces election this year but they will still be attentive to wind direction - and the stench of fear that is already emanating from Democrat incumbents. I don't doubt that the prog slavers will give it their worst shot but the window of opportunity is closing.

Danube of Thought

I agree with OL that they're gonna try. And don't discount what the lame-duck congress might try to put over between November 2 and the end of this congress's final session.


For a week, we have heard about the vitriol, violence, and racism of the Tea parties. These are crazy, unstable white people who cannot accept that the world has moved on. Most of them have a Limbaugh, Beck or Palin fixation, or else they are just deranged from watching FOXNews. They can't accept that the Democrats won, and they can't accept our President.

These messages are everywhere, and are being strictly reinforced.

No refutation is possible. This is front page; and in the event of a correction, should one be offered, you will find it at the bottom of E16 in small print.

Last week, some goof with a blog posted a call for people to protest on Sunday outside the home of my local rep. Goof's "call to protest" got picked up by the media, and we spent 4 days hearing about it. The local tea party organization denounced it as inappropriate, and urged their members to stay home. The Congressman went on local radio and CNN to express his disapproval. The Washington Post gave ominous coverage to the threats and intimidation.

Sunday came and three people turned out to protest. The Monday WaPo dutifully reported the "political vitriol" that had followed the rep home, complete with comments about the angry white conservatives who oppose the rep. (Ironically, the accompanying photo depicted two people, neither of them looking angry, and one of them not male or white.)

More and more, this seems like Geraldo opening Al Capone's vault...except the ending is being left to your imagination, with the hope that you will agree with the media verdict.

Old Lurker

You forget Lindsey, Rick. Already doing the nasty with Kerry on Cap&Tax...idiots like that are hard to predict.

DoT you are right to fear the Lame Duck session I think. HCR revealed their unique disregard for the will of the public so that means they might react in spite should November go badly for them. Plus some of them are dumb as rocks. The others are simply evil.

But I do like Kim's reminder of that monument on the road to Moscow...X number passed this way going to Moscow, Fraction of X on the back side of the same monument of the number returning. We can dream (note I did not say Hope.)

Danube of Thought

We can dream (note I did not say Hope.)

And we can expect.


" he clearly had not been briefed and didn't know what was in the bill."

Didn't the Speaker of the House tell us the bill had to be passed so we could find out what was in it. It appears obvious that no one knew or cared what was in the bill except the communists who wrote it.

"Cassidy supports the health care bill on moral grounds,"
I don't see how leftist can talk about moral ground while supporting a bill that seeks to have every American paying taxes to help them murder their inconvenient children.

narciso the harpoon

Actually it's quite easy to predict, once you have his m.o., He's trying for the decade "Strange New Respect Award"

If it's consolation, the Dems may have overplayed the victim status, if these poll
results are any indicatioN, in the LUN


"seeks to have every American paying taxes to help them murder their inconvenient children."

I see. It's the money

Danube of Thought

He's trying for the decade "Strange New Respect Award"

Who is?

Danube of Thought

I see. It's the money

It's the coercion. Money, we give to family, friends, and charities. Taxes, we give because otherwise we go to jail.

Rick Ballard


Remember that Lady Lindsey likes to hide behind My Friends and My Friends has to lurch right or get his sorry butt booted in AZ. I would never place a bet on Lady Lindsey's behavior but he has absolutely no cover.

Really, he can't do any worse.  So what are the odds he'll do better?

Obama, after all his epic fails. That's funny, n.

That was a joke.  Or a triumph of hope over experience.  Not that I kind find a difference between them.

So 'Really, he can't do worse.' Oh yeah, wanna bet?

narciso the harpoon

Actually I meant Lindsey, but it fits for Obama. So after a week of full saturation
only 40% believe that the protests are out of bounds, as opposed to 53% that say they are
well within the norm


Getcher free Barack Obama Commemorative Health Care Certificate here!

Is there nothing this guy can't slap a logo on? Years from now people are going to find these things in Grandma's attic, junk shops etc. and laugh their asses off. What an embarrassment.


Why don't we just eliminate the tax deduction for mortgage interest and replace it with a tax deduction for health insurance? It did a great job increasing the supply of housing..why not health care??

Mysteries of Cognition, The Twilight Aroma.

I love it, narciso, your jokes are funny even when I get them wrong. Kind of like how you can be so dead right even if you write things wrong.

Rick Ballard

Did you know that the least of BOzo's brothers was as big a thug as BOzo himself? Perhaps if he makes enough on the book deal he'll give up armed robbery.

Brother George, that is.

narciso the harpoon

This is the promo, for the special on Thursday, what do you think, in the LUN


"53% that say they are
well within the norm"

100% of pedophiles polled agree that child porn hurts no one.


"Really he can't do worse"

There is a lot of worse stuff contained in some of the bills that have have already been passed that doesn't get mentioned until it has been Signed.

"It couldn't have happened to a nicer country. On March 18, with very little pomp and circumstance, president Obama passed the most recent stimulus act, the $17.5 billion Hiring Incentives to Restore Employment Act (H.R. 2487), brilliantly goalseeked by the administration's millionaire cronies to abbreviate as HIRE. As it was merely the latest in an endless stream of acts destined to expand the government payroll to infinity, nobody cared about it, or actually read it. Because if anyone had read it, the act would have been known as the Capital Controls Act, as one of the lesser, but infinitely more important provisions on page 27, known as Offset Provisions - Subtitle A—Foreign Account Tax Compliance, institutes just that. In brief, the Provision requires that foreign banks not only withhold 30% of all outgoing capital flows (likely remitting the collection promptly back to the US Treasury) but also disclose the full details of non-exempt account-holders to the US and the IRS. And should this provision be deemed illegal by a given foreign nation's domestic laws (think Switzerland), well the foreign financial institution is required to close the account. It's the law. If you thought you could move your capital to the non-sequestration safety of non-US financial institutions, sorry you lose - the law now says so. Capital Controls are now here and are now fully enforced by the law."

There are already reports of foreign banks telling Americans that they (the banks) are closing the accounts of Americans or telling Americans that they will not open an account for them because the the paperwork/reports the US is demanding.

Danube of Thought

Great quote in the new Weekly Standard. FDR's 1932 convention speech:

"This convention wants repeal. Your candidate wants repeal. And I am confident that the United States of America wants repeal."

Can't you hear those words from unnamed candidate in the summer of 2012? Are we talking applause line or what?


'There are already reports of foreign banks telling Americans that they (the banks) are closing the accounts of Americans or telling Americans that they will not open an account for them because the the paperwork/reports the US is demanding."

You mean no more safe havens for drug cartels and Bankers?


Rick Ballard

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons Files Suit to Overturn Obamacare

They only have five thousand docs as members. I wonder why they would think they have any standing in the matter?

narciso the harpoon

I assume that was a reference to the Prohibition amendment, but I can the contemporary capital. There is nothing
they propose that doesn't have a poison


Somewhere over 5 million Americans (not US Govt employees) live Overseas.
I seriously doubt that many drug cartels or bankers are so unaware of US laws that any foreign bank will be withholding 30 percent of their account and forwarding it to the US government.


How bad are the internals for Obamacare at the White House? Well, they are about to embrace "Drill Baby Drill"

Acording to Drudge:


Open vast expanses of water along Atlantic coastline, north coast of Alaska, eastern Gulf of Mexico to drilling for first time...

Rob Crawford

pp is channeling Chris Matthews...

PP is 'cleo.

Who is still too much of a coward to use his real name.

Rob Crawford

And, seriously -- talking about the Golden Rule while stealing the earnings of generations unborn? While forming a structure of nanny-state regulation that will reach into our every daily decision?

hit and run

Who is still too much of a coward to use his real name.

The sting of the narcisolator was devastating.

Which is not to be unexpected for someone for whom attention is more important than argument.

Rick Ballard


This week the EPA quietly booted the CO2 Monster rules a year down the road. If the lying thieves can't impose Air Taxes then the drilling may be necessary to try and fill a tiny part of the huge (and deepening) deficit chasm. The real hit re Obamacare in the polls isn't even here yet. Wait 'til the condo commandos find out about the Part B tax increases on doctor visits.

narciso the harpoon

Btw, for those inquiring whether the mandate was real or not, based on the JCT report, the
answer is yes, in the LUN

Danube of Thought

You mean no more safe havens for drug cartels and Bankers?

This dunce senses dimly that a baby has been thrown out, so he's searching in vain for some bathwater. Nice try.

Danube of Thought

100% of pedophiles polled agree that child porn hurts no one.

The 53% were from a random sample of Americans. Those who want to equate such a sample with pedophiles are free to do so, while the rest of us wonder about the outer bounds of stupidity.

I note also that 100% of phony marines can be contacted by Ouija board, so there's hope.

Ann says Obama Sucks!


I have to help you show off those pictures of two presidents visiting U.S Troops.

The first is Zero:


Ann says Obama Sucks!

The second is the one we are so badly missing:


Danube of Thought

The troops know, Ann. The troops always know.

Lee A. Arnold

Tom, I don't see how any of this is a big deal.

Under the new law you could ignore the mandate, but if you show up at an emergency room with a medical problem, then you are going to pay the full freight. So in regard to your costs to the rest of us, there is no change from the current system. We are already paying for the cheaters now, in our own higher premiums and taxes.

Employer incentives to offload employees' healthcare is not a new problem, it is already happening. But this doesn't necessarily increase healthcare costs, as Cassidy writes -- it is more likely to reduce costs overall.

The new law doesn't have a public plan or a public plan, but if there ever is one, that would save another 5 to 10% of healthcare costs right there, by eliminating private insurers' profits and excess administrative and marketing costs, which you pay now, for no real value added.

Danube of Thought

And why not savor this delightful item?

CNN continued what has become a precipitous decline in ratings for its prime-time programs in the first quarter of 2010, with its main hosts losing almost half their viewers in a year.

The trend in news ratings for the first three months of this year is all up for one network, the Fox News Channel, which enjoyed its best quarter ever in ratings, and down for both MSNBC and CNN. …

About the only break from the bad news for CNN was that March was not as bad as February, when the network had its worst single month in its recent history, finishing behind not only Fox News and MSNBC, but also its sister network HLN — and even CNBC, which had Olympics programming that month.

CNN executives have steadfastly said that they will not change their approach to prime-time programs, which are led by hosts not aligned with any partisan point of view.

Perhaps it's not the hosts. Perhaps it's the material they are given to read. ("Dozens spotted at Searchlight rally.")

Dave (in MA)

Ann, it was nice of him to visit the corpse men, though.


Zero's face is green in the photo Ann. Wonder who let that image go through that way.....;-)

Ann says Obama Sucks!


Yes, it was nice to see him touch down at the Bagram Airfield for a meet and greet in a very small tent with honorable soldiers barricaded by a fence. HA!

I am just surprised the L.A.Times published the glaring difference of respect both pictures portrayed of not only the soldiers but the two presidents.



The Reuters write up is more circumspect than Drudge's headline (and I'm sure the Obama policy will be sound and fury, signifying nothing, and I'd like to be wrong). The Virginia Atlantic leases will be jammed up past 2011 and the USG may allow some exploriation. Florida (go figure) would still probably say no, even with a Republican governor and legislature. I'd be surprised if CA would go for it either (most, probably all, of the 10 billion in the Pacific OCS region is there, and the last budget showdown had CA doubling down on stupid).

It could also be an attempt to get oil and gas prices down. My back of the envelope numbers has the recessionary price of crude oil in the 72$-74$ bbl range. 80+ and an around 150% increase over the last year (with a less dramatic, but large nonetheless, move in gas) would seem to be the ingrediant needed to get the next leg of the double dip recession started.

narciso the harpoon

When did the Dumont network go out of business, they are in a death spiral, deeper
than a Zero on a strafing run.

The mandates are there, it takes skill of the JCT to actually avoid reading the bill, and not finding them, but as they say, Sebelius
will determine all

Ann says Obama Sucks!

LOL, glasater!

I was so firmly fixed on the soldiers faces I missed the wicked witch color on Obama's face. Good One!


Obama is a liar. For him, health care is only about establishing himself as an historical figure. Nothing else matters and he probably can't tell you much of anything that is really in the new law he signed. He just doesn't care.

He can be and has been as inarticulate at Bush, but he has his media handlers. How long will we wring our hands (an action P. G. Wodehouse recognized to be an impossibility) as we cluck cluck about media hypocrisy? Has it helped?

He's a liar. And, his lies have consequences. There will be death panels. There is no alternative. Iran will get the bomb. He's not up to the task of stopping it. Illegals will get the vote. He needs them.

This job will require larger and stronger figures than currently appear on the radar. When someone on the left makes up a race baiting quote, someone needs to call him a liar and demand proof. There won't be any. When someone claims the tea party is full of nuts, demand specifics and call them liars for not giving it.

Others need to make little Matty Lauer more and more uncomfortable. Not just Laura. There is no point in being civil to the incivil. Can we not point out that CNN's legal whore fathered a child with someone other than his wife?

I wouldn't ordinarily advance such tactics, but they work and we are facing similar tactic and worse. They are counting on our good will (Just like John McCain in the last election.)

He's a liar.

Jim Ryan

CNN? It's watched by at least dozens of viewers.

Ann says Obama Sucks!


I have not been able to follow all the threads but Dot asked about your link to a Goldberg article on Chris Buckley. Can you link it again.

Sorry, it is Lacrosse season here and I am not catching up as usual. Btw, we won 20-4 against the number one team tonight. It was a slaughter. WooHoo

Oh, and I can't wait to see Sarah on Thursday night.

narciso the harpoon

Well neither Jeb nor Charlie, will go for OCS drilling, but McCollum might, and he seems to be beating Sink, in part because her husband
who ran against Jeb back in 2002, she is such a poor candidate.

Alien for Amnesty

Wolf Blitzer, Fareed Zakaria, Campbell Brown, Anderson Cooper (to name a few) are not partisan? CNN, long may you sleep.

Bill in AZ

Fox News had a piece where Louis Farrakhan was whining that all this hate is going to provoke right wing extremists to get Zero assassinated.

What a dumbass. I have a fate much worse in mind for the stupid socialist. He resigns in disgrace after the 2010 elections, and spends the next few years being interviewed on the only remaining MSM outlet - the Dan Rather Network.


Caught a quick comment from a fellow on Kudlow's show that pointed out we need illegals in the country.
They pay into SS but never benefit.

Jim Ryan

No citizen under 50 will benefit, either, glasater.

Plus, the argument assumes that the jobs would not exist were there not illegal aliens to fill them. That may be, but I doubt it. You might fill them by paying Americans higher pay rates. This would result in even higher SS revenue.

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