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March 09, 2010

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Neo

This, if nothing else, should be a godd exercise in identification, friend or foe (IFF).

Captain Hate

Giving a forum to Kucinich on the war is complete lunacy. Maybe he should talk about what little he's done to help his district economically.

They must be liberated from their religion.

Cantering down a dark defile.
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MayBee

Don't look now, but a bunch of nutty teabaggers are trying to arrest insurance professionals outside the Ritz in DC.
Except it's not teabaggers, it's leftists, so nobody is talking about it.

Rob Crawford

Giving a forum to Kucinich on the war is complete lunacy.

Last time they did that, it turned into a little Judenhass festival inside the Democrat party HQ.

Don't look now, but a bunch of nutty teabaggers are trying to arrest insurance professionals outside the Ritz in DC.

Those targeted for "arrest" should press charges. Assault; battery if the moonbats touch you; attempted kidnapping if they can.

Danube of Thought

They really are just living in another world.

Will the sense of rage last another eight months?

Purple shirted Krystal Knockers.

They'll be breaking windows next, MayBee.
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You can look for that tax cheat's hand in this.

Remember, Kathleen Sebelius was Insurance Commissioner in Kansas before she was Governor.
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Thomas Collins

My guess is that this is part of the payoff for lefty House members to support the Senate version of ObamaCare. Those who want a public option have to be mollified, since even if a budget reconciliation "fix" is passed after ObamaCare becomes law, there will not be an explicit public option. So it looks as if Nan is getting the Stupaks in line, and is in the process of getting the Kucinichites in line.

Sue

MayBee,

I figured they would have wall to wall coverage with the number of protesters inflated. Fox was showing them during the noon hour. I guess no one else is.

Jeff

End dicrimination ...

No more rejections for pre-exisiting conditions for ...

car accidents

house fires

floods

oh and health care ...

Jeff

discrimination ...

Extraneus

Will the sense of rage last another eight months?

If only the election could be held today...

AJB
Last time they did that, it turned into a little Judenhass festival inside the Democrat party HQ.
What?

Oh right, opposing US-waged wars == anti-Semitism.

Forgot about that, sorry.

Ignatz

--What?
Oh right, opposing US-waged wars == anti-Semitism.

Forgot about that, sorry.--

The comment was in reference to giving Kucinich and other far left whackos a forum.
And unfortunately the far left does=anti semitism.

narciso

Oh that was former CIA analysts and VIPser, Ray McGovern, now he's a liberation theology
advocate, the vanilla version of Reverenf Wright rantings, of course he along with
Wayne Madsen has standing columns in the Herald

Captain Hate

Oh right, opposing US-waged wars == anti-Semitism.

Forgot about that, sorry.

Nice little hero you have in Kucinich, idiot. You're aware what an avid race-baiting prick he was when the diminutive quisling was making a name for himself by taking advantage of the demographic divide in Cleveland, right? If not you're even stupider than the quoted comment indicates.

maryrose

Captain Agreed about Kucinich also a flip flopper on abortion. Now the new HRC plan is to attach the rec bill and the Senate bill together and pass them one after another. Per the Alinsky rules if you can't win the normal way- change the rules and the law to suit your own purposes. This is despicable even by dem standards and a real travesty to our system of government. Marxist rules are in play and it is damn the torpedoes.

matt

sheesh. great minds think alike. Left vs less left. LUN

maryrose

I'm in the process of calling Driehaus, Kaptur and Wilson.

Captain Hate

Captain Agreed about Kucinich also a flip flopper on abortion.

Well yes; he used to base his appeal to the DPs on the West Side by being a "staunch" Right to Lifer before they deserted him when RINO Voinovich's little girl was killed by a van in the mayoral election. So he cast his fate with the libs and accordingly let all of his "core values" be available to the highest bidder. People that say they admire his integrity make me sick with their idiocy.

Captain Hate

maryrose, have an airsickness bag available when calling Marcy Kaptur, a person partly responsible for Toledo staying such a dump.

Thomas Collins
"But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy."

The above quote is from a Nancy Pelosi speech. See LUN for the entire speech.

The quote gives an insight into the prog way of thinking, which is that a vigorous debate inherently distorts what progs are trying to achieve. We must simply acquiesce in their legislative schemes to enjoy the full benefits of proglaw.

maryrose

Captain: All my husband's relatives live in Toledo and can't stand her but she is a fixture there. My husband's second cousin is back from a tour in Iraq and we hope he might run for office sometime in the future.

pagar

"This is despicable even by dem standards"

I had no idea the Democrats had standards, where did they get them? Do any of the Democrats know they have them?

Danube of Thought

"Oh right, opposing US-waged wars..."

They seem to oppose no other kind.

Jane

I think I'm going to live blog the Massa appearance on Beck. Anyone want me to? Here or YOu Too? or should I just STFU

Clarice

blog it, baby!!

Thomas Collins

Never STFU, Jane.

I'll go to either site.

Waren Bonesteel

So...if you're on the right, you're racist. If you're on the left, you're anti-semetic (racist).

Got it.

So much for E Pluribus Unum.

...neoteny rules America...

Captain Hate

My husband's second cousin is back from a tour in Iraq and we hope he might run for office sometime in the future.

Good luck with that; I know a lot of people either in or from Toledo that deserve a lot better than what cards they've been dealt by rotten politicians.

I see in the sidebar that "Limbaugh vows to flee the country if health care passes". Either he's really confident that it's not gonna pass (which I kind of am) or he's ready to retire; either way I wish he hadn't made a stupid pledge like the idiots on the left usually do. Or is this some "Stink Progress" disinformation being mucked around?

Janet

Never STFU, Jane.

Ditto that!

centralcal

Jane - yes, please do blog it. Am at work, so it will be the only way I know what is being said.

Just please indicate where you're choosing to do it (if here, which thread).

narciso

It was much of a much larger passage, with a caller, that talked about what his options would be, and he talked about opt outs in Britain and Canada, and then he mentioned
Costa Rica

Jane

I'd like to do it at You Too so I get the hits, I'll start the thread and come back and leave a link.

Danube of Thought

"Limbaugh vows to flee the country if health care passes"

I heard part of his broadcast this morning, in which he said that if it passes he won't get healthcare in this country. When he needs it he'll go to (I think he said) Costa Rica, where he expects that a number of doctors will relocate their practices.

Danube of Thought

I would not want to be associated in any way with this guy Massa. I'm happy to see him dump all over Rahm and the Dems, but I have no other use for him.

Jane

Okay here is the link:

Clarice

Ditto,DoT--He's NUTS

centralcal

Thanks, Jane - I have a tab opened to it

centralcal

I think Massa is a real scumbag and hope Beck is careful. According to Mediaite quoting a commenter from Hot Air (that is interesting in and of itself), supposedly at the very end of Beck's radio show he was saying that he and his producer were wondering if Massa would be a "no show."

Danube of Thought

Politico:

"White House officials will huddle with Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and their respective leadership teams Tuesday afternoon at 4:30 in the speaker's Capitol Office to put some of the finishing touches on a final health care package, according to aides. The assembled leaders and committee chairs with principal jurisdiction are meeting with the president's team to discuss the final details of a reconciliation package that can get 51 votes in the Senate and at least 216 in the House, the same aides said."

Jane

So someone just said he was being investigated for a year for groping 3 staffers. Didn't Hastert get run out of the place for not revealins Foley's foibles?

Pops

If the Republicans were smart, they would have drafted a 'reconcialation' bill to the unemployment/doctor fix bill which pays for the whole thing with stimulous money, and asked for unanimous consent that there 'reconcialation' bill only require 51 votes.

When Reid objects, holler - noones talking reconcialation here!@!

centralcal

Yep, Jane - the allegations were given to the Washington Post just hours before Massa goes on Beck. What timing!

matt

I am looking forward to their ravings at the moon, frankly. The more expose these loons get the more people will turn against them.

Having Massa go off on Beck is the equivalent of a hot piece of shrapnel setting off an enemy fuel dump.

Mexico will become the medical destination of choice, or perhaps the Caymans. There are a lot of clinics along the border already that charge half of what American hospitals do and do a pretty good job on the standard stuff.

pagar

"and then he mentioned Costa Rica"

Panama would be a whole lot better choice, IMO.

Army Mom

When Kucinich bloviates about this I would like the cameras to pan around the chamber to see if there is anyone in their seat actually listening to this nutball. Bet not.

Rob Crawford

What?

Oh right, opposing US-waged wars == anti-Semitism.

Forgot about that, sorry.

No, you little twerp. That's a reference to a "hearing" held at the Democrat party HQ, ostensibly to examine the the case for deposing Saddam, that featured flyers explaining how the Israelis were behind 9/11. There were the obligatory flyers "explaining" how there were new Jews in the building that morning. There were the obligatory rants by the likes of Cynthia McKinney.

It was an ugly spectacle:

In the Capitol basement yesterday, long-suffering House Democrats took a trip to the land of make-believe.

They pretended a small conference room was the Judiciary Committee hearing room, draping white linens over folding tables to make them look like witness tables and bringing in cardboard name tags and extra flags to make the whole thing look official.

Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.) banged a large wooden gavel and got the other lawmakers to call him "Mr. Chairman." He liked that so much that he started calling himself "the chairman" and spouted other chairmanly phrases, such as "unanimous consent" and "without objection so ordered." The dress-up game looked realistic enough on C-SPAN, so two dozen more Democrats came downstairs to play along...

At Democratic headquarters, where an overflow crowd watched the hearing on television, activists handed out documents repeating two accusations -- that an Israeli company had warning of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and that there was an "insider trading scam" on 9/11 -- that previously has been used to suggest Israel was behind the attacks.

Five years ago was not ancient history. That this ugliness has been buried is a sad commentary on how acceptable anti-semitism is on the left.


...neoteny rules America...

You're the poster child, Bonesteel.

Clarice

Wasn't that from Dana Milbank's Conyers FunHouse Hearings?

My favorite Milbank piece.

Ignatz

">http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YjMxMDFlZDJmOGY3MDBmY2M3MDJiMDI4N2EzMjg5NjA="> Daniel Pipes' gloomy (and short)assessment of Iraq at the corner.

Captain Hate

Iggy, Pipes' assessment is why BOzo screwed up so badly (at least from the country's perspective; who knows what agenda that sad excuse for a President was adhering to) in not supporting the Iranian protesters.

And the Iraqi Shia are Arab, not Persian.  Allah put that Gulf there for a reason.

Naw, Ignatz, I still trust Sistani, the Master of the Mosque. He's a quietist.
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Jane

Well that was about as anti-climatic as an interview can be. Beck was right to apologize.

Ignatz

--He's a quietist.--

Kim,
As old as he is he's likely to be pretty darn quiet pretty darn soon. Then what?

narciso

That's a problem, there really isn't anyone in Sistani's inner circle that could replace
him. and then their is the young head of SCIRI
(family escapes me,) and then there is Moqtada
Sadr, a disqueting thought

Arabs and Persians, never the twain shall meet.

Yes, Ignatz. I worry.
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Let's examine the historical record.  Don't worry, I'm just guessing.

I prefer to think the Marsh Arabs will remain independent of Persia.
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JM Hanes

narciso:

I thought of you when I saw this photo of Tina Fey on HuffPo's worst dressed Oscar list. If there were a caption contest, I'd start with Palin's Revenge.

BlueGreen Rocks and Redfaced Masques.  Er, Mosques.

Don't mess with Meshad.
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JM Hanes

I'm looking for "Miss Me Yet?" billboards in Baghdad any day now.

I've worried about Sistani for years too. At the same time. I'd be surprised if he hasn't spent time making provisions for an uncertain future, should he pass away. I prefer to believe he is savvy enough not to put potential successors in the cross hairs by anointing anyone any sooner than necessary. That's based on wishful thinking, though, not evidence of any kind.

Clarice

I'm listening to Rush' interview of Rove. Rove isn't revealing all because he's selling his book, but he had an intriguing discussion of Fitz--indicating that Fitz concern was on some stupid, ancillary point that he could have resolved if he'd only asked the question the first 4 times he had Rove before the grand jury.

In time, I am persuaded, those of use who thought he was a monomaniacal nutter who'd mastered every rotten prosecutorial trick in the book will be confirmed.

They do groom successors.  Trust in Allah.

The problem is that he's irreplaceable. Any replacement will take years to become as effective as he is.
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He trusted Bush and the Anglican Canon.

He has been so good, I'll tell you this. Had he not been there either radical Sunni or radical Shia could be in charge, revoltingly, now in Iraq. He forgave us for the tragic betrayal of the Marsh Arabs after Gulf One. He outfoxed Sadr and trusted democracy to put his people in charge.
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bunkberbuster

Is the conventional conservative wisdom that Bush's political demise came because he listened to Rove or because he didn't?

centralcal

What political "demise" would you be referring to? He served two full terms as President.

narciso

Did Tina just pick up a leopard skin, and wear
it, doesn't she have fashion advisors, or are
they just the wrong kind.

As for Massa, well it avoided another day of pointless speculation, on this bill, for which
the details don't matter

bunkberbuster

Central: i'm referring to the precipitous decline in Bush's popularity, along with Cheney's (he finished his term with a 26% approval rating), which, in turn, led directly to the Republicans losing the White House and the Senate and many congressional seats.
Are you not aware of that, or in denial of it?

Janet

LUN (not that I recommend it) Judge sends ex-Edwards aide to jail over sex tape.

And still the MSM mocks and beats up on Sarah Palin.
Naked Rahm story is told...and the MSM is still beating up on the Bush administration.

It all just doesn't make sense...

Do you miss 'em yet?

You poor thing; it was the infested media what dunnit. Rove was magnificent, as were Bush and Cheney. The CEO and the COO.
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And those twelve law school professors are still pondering it in the deeps of the night.

Well, Clarice, the record is there. But I wish Russert were alive to confess his sin and save his soul.
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Jane

Next Bunky explains to us why Obama's numbers have fallen faster than any other president in history. Is it Ax or Rahm?

Danube of Thought

Ask again after Obama wins a second term.

The conventional wisdom is that it's a matter of price inelasticity.

Soylent Red

It's his Osakan dialect.

Mmm...mmm...mmm. Barack Hussein Osaka.

hit and run

Jane:
Next Bunky explains to us why Obama's numbers have fallen faster than any other president in history. Is it Ax or Rahm?

It's Rove. Obama only got elected because The Magnificent Bastard controls Diebold. It's a long-term project to discredit progressive liberalism.

bgates

Ask again after Obama wins a second term.

Why wait? He can ask after the Dems increase their majorities in both houses in the midterms.

I think he's got a bad cryin' spell, ahead.

C'mon, Soylent, you're gonna make him cry again.
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Jim Ryan

Detecting faint stupidity signals...it's probably nothing...shield readings nominal....

Jane

It's Rove.

That magnificent bastard!

Bill in AZ

"
It's Rove.
That magnificent bastard!"

heh heh - UPS just delivered his book.

Danube of Thought

As soon as someone learns what the deciding matter was with Fitzgerald, please let us all know.

It's extremely difficult to punish, or even rein in, a runaway unethical prosecutor. Nifong is the only example that comes to mind right now.

Rick Ballard

"shield readings nominal...."

Dunno, JR - my Sylvan Bozon dosimeter strip is hazing up pretty badly. I wonder what kind of bribe it would take to get the short bus driver to skip the JOM harassment stop? He must be making a fortune from others already so I would imagine it would be pretty expensive.

Pofarmer

This is an excerpt from Nancy's speech, where she's telling us we'll just have to pass the bill to figure out how much we'll love it.


“But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy. Furthermore, we believe that health care reform, again I said at the beginning of my remarks, that we sent the three pillars that the President’s economic stabilization and job creation initiatives were education and innovation—innovation begins in the classroom—clean energy and climate, addressing the climate issues in an innovative way to keep us number one and competitive in the world with the new technology, and the third, first among equals I may say, is health care, health insurance reform. Health insurance reform is about jobs. This legislation alone will create 4 million jobs, about 400,000 jobs very soon.

See, this bill is about health care, and clean energy, and saving money, and, it's about jobs. This legislation is going to create 4 million new jobs?

How is creating 4 million new jobs going to save money?

matt

speaking of Fitzgerald, how's Rezko doing? That sounds like it turned into a great big pile of hooey.

Clarice

Yes. I agree. Whoever finds out that tidbit from Rove's book better share it.
Speaking of books, TM's recommendation, City of Thieves has set me off again. The author refers to Curzio Malaparte's La Pelle (The Skin in English). I started to read it in Italian some years ago, aided by an Italian teacher and dictionaries. It was very slow ging but so magnificant I always felt it should be made into a movie--It is the best explanation of the cultural divide between the US and Europe and a remarkable picture of WWII.
After reading the Benioff book, I decided to see if it was possible to find the book in English--It turns out it's exceedingly rare and wildly expensive even in paperback. I suppose I'll have to ask someone with access to a university library to check it out for me. In the meantime, Malaparte's other remarkable WWII book, Kaputt, is available and just arrived from amazon.

Stay away from TM book recommendations lest like me you end up on another reading adventure.

If anyone runs into The Skin in a used book store for a reasonable price, please whistle.

Soylent Red

It's a long-term project to discredit progressive liberalism.

Judging from what I'm hearing out and about, it's not such a long-term project after all.

Those Greek columns in Denver were eerily prescient weren't they? Barry is a Greek tragedy in the making. The terrible effects of hubris on a man and the society he would lead.

Of course, Rahm and Ax-hole-rod are tragic figures as well. I'm going with Oedipus, since they are both motherf*ckers.

Soylent Red

I've heard of skin flicks. But Skin books?

Should I look for a copy with passages underlined?

JM Hanes

I sure wish Typepad were still accepting the code for hearts, Soylent.

Clarice

Well,jmh...tht does it. mud wrestle!!!!!

Extraneus

Great quote, Po. We are being led by utter fools. I guess we deserve it.

bunkberbuster

My take on Obama's decline in popularity is that he's tried to split the difference on too many issues -- seeming flip-flopping on Gitmo/due process, selling out to big Pharma and caving in to Wall Street. And, indeed, it seems a safe guess that this is partly because he's acted on bad advice, but that's academic, since he's clearly his own president (whereas with Bush, it was an open question).
Right wingnuts thought Obama was the anti-Christ before the election, so there's been no room for movement in his popularity there -- though it is worth noting that wingnuts also thought Clinton was a murderer, drug dealer, hater of the USA who condescended to the military and defiled the White House by letting his wife take a policy role. So by comparison, Obama the anti-Christ is faring relatively well among his bitterest, most paranoid critics.
I guess if you think the NY Times is a radical leftist conspiracy you may not be aware that the actual left is, on the whole, very disappointed with many of Obama's decisions. Come to think of it, even NYT's Rich and Krugman have been quite hard on the president of late. I know I am very disappointed as well and when 2012 rolls around if Obama's compromises haven't borne fruit and there's a solid challenger to his left, I may well vote for them.


Danube of Thought

Rove will be hawking the book on Hannity tonight. Don't usually watch him, but the TiVo is poised for an exception in this case.

And he's practicing taqiyah for Islam or for Soros, maybe both.

Naw, bb, he's a communist whose fractured allegiances disqualify him from the Presidency.
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hit and run

Soylent:
Judging from what I'm hearing out and about, it's not such a long-term project after all.

No,you're right. It can't be a long-term project almost definitionally.

For a progressive,history starts whenever its convenient.

Jane

I think it is simply amazing that bunky knows everyone's thoughts. He must be a magician.

So tell me bunky - what I am thinking right now?

Clarice

"If there's a solid challenger to his [Obama's]left"

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

bgates

seeming flip-flopping on Gitmo

He said closing Gitmo was the first thing he would do. He said it would be easy. Nearly 14 months into his Presidency, Gitmo is still open. Are they even talking about closing it anymore?

he's clearly his own president

Too bad he isn't America's.

bunkberbuster

Jane: You're thinking you wished you had something to say, but concluding that you don't, so falling back on ad hominem

Jane

Oh I have plenty to say bunky, don't you worry your little head about that. You just better hope I don't get around to it.

Janet

The April 15th Tea Party seems like it will be too late.

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