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March 25, 2010

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Pofarmer

As I understand it, direct taxes are those imposed on an individual, as distinct from on an event (e.g., a sales tax or inheritance tax). The income tax is excepted by the Sixteenth Amendment. How does the "fine" for not buying insurance get around this Article?

How about simply not file?

Make them do the maximum amount of work to come after you.

Porchlight

Looks like Cantor's office was shot at Monday night. Uh oh . . . there goes the media and the Liberal narrative.

centralcal,

Everyone in a position to reply to liberal talking points should bookmark a link to the Cantor story, don't you think? That ought to shut them up...well, it *ought to* but it probably won't.

Pofarmer

Of course, one huge problem is that, even if we try to defund the juggernaut, they'll just print or borrow it.

Pofarmer

Cantor asked for it by opposing our glorious leaders legislation.

Hail, hail, Barack Obama.

Extraneus

I wonder if this b.s. right-wing-violence meme won't backfire in their faces. If the right ever did get anywhere near violence, it would scare the living carp out of the average voter, who'd surely blame the Democrats.

centralcal will not comply

VDH is a native of the Central Valley and farms (grapes, I think) just up the road a piece. It is always great when he is in town and interviewed on local talk radio.

Golly, Porchlight, didn't realize your due date was so close. How did the name selection go? I remember almost a whole JOM thread of suggestions. lol.

Captain Hate

Ext, it should backfire in their faces. All you have to do is look at a 30 second film clip of the lefties going crazy at a WTC meeting to witness more violence than has been seen by either side at any of the Teaparties/support the troop rallies.

centralcal will not comply

You know, Extraneus, if the right did "ever get anywhere near violence" it would terrify alot of the media too. Lord knows, they are as much an incitement to violence as anyone/anything.

Captain Hate

Porch is preggers? How did I miss that? Congrats to all btw.

Captain Hate

WTC == WTO. Or WTD'OH

Ignatz

--I wonder if this b.s. right-wing-violence meme won't backfire in their faces.--

Well, all that militia talk back in the nineties sure did wonders for their congressional majority didn't it?

Porchlight

Thanks centralcal and Cap'n! We are not getting too far with the names, but I tell you what, though it won't get past my husband, Friedrich Hayek Porchlight is looking pretty good at the moment. ;)

Danube of Thought

they'll just print or borrow it.

I don't think that works. However much they print or borrow, it can only be spent in accordance with the federal budget. If that budget includes no money for the 150 new agencies, for example, they won't get any.

Ignatz

If by chance your real last name is Ratzkywatzky you could do worse than Ignatz, you know.

Danube of Thought

A thousand Swedes
Ran through the weeds
Chased by one Norwegain

Danube of Thought

*Norwegian*

Just a ditty a friend used to chant to his Swedish-heritage lady. I have no dog in the fight.

Pofarmer

Kim's obscure statistics thread is leaking out into the mainstream.

http://www.examiner.com/x-9111-Environmental-Policy-Examiner~y2010m3d24-Global-warming-Bigger-than-Climategate-more-important-than-Copenhagenits-statistical-analysis

This is just too true to be good. An unassuming climate scientist from the Netherlands, Bart Verheggen, who specializes in studying the effects of aerosols on climate change, (and who has corresponded with me frequently in a very genteel fashion) has a well-mannered, even tempered weblog called My View on Climate Change. About half the posts are in Dutch. Bart is a polite member of the anthropogenic global warming consensus--he believes strongly that human emission of greenhouse gases have caused significant temperature rises and pose a threat to development going forward.

And what's going on on his website is one of the most signficant and unexpected happenings in all the debate on global warming. For three weeks now, a discussion on something as unlikely as statistics is coming close to rewriting climate change history. Because for just about the first time, scientists from all parts of the spectrum are engaging in almost real time on an issue of substance that can actually be resolved in front of the viewing audience. It has engaged the attention of physicists, statisticians, webloggers and an army of viewers. If you read through it you will never think of the term 'unit root' in the same way again.

What's at stake is the legitimacy of a large number of papers using one set of statistical procedures to correlate the rise of CO2 and temperatures that is not valid due to the properties of the data collected. Using the proper method, co-integration, does not appear to yield the same results. Your world and mine could change--policies, taxes, mileage standards and decisions on whether to support natural gas instead of wind power--based on this discussion about statistics. It's hugely important and I have joined countless others in trying to keep up with the discussion. It's like being on trial in an alien court with the proceedings conducted in a foreign language. And I understand quite a bit of the statistics--maybe even 10%.

More at the link.

Extraneus

if the right did "ever get anywhere near violence" it would terrify alot of the media too

Makes sense, because they'd be the obvious targets.

bgates

there are some Swedes I'm very pleased with and some Norwegians who disgust me

Yup.

Pofarmer

I don't think that works. However much they print or borrow, it can only be spent in accordance with the federal budget. If that budget includes no money for the 150 new agencies, for example, they won't get any.

Well, sure, I was thinking more of defunding it by a tax revolt than by congressional action.

mefolkes

Danube, that's an altered version of a ditty commemorating a battle long ago. There's truth in it, but I'll get the details for you after a while.

JM Hanes

sylvia:

"And by the way, if they go the tax increase way, they won't need more IRS agents."

I assume that would be your preference, wealth being the cardinal sin. Unfortunately, you could redistribute all those riches, and it would only be a drop in the healthcare bucket, especially when you add in the needy unemployed who will follow night as day, once you've wiped out the investor "class." That's why Democrats, in their wisdom, have loaded this bill down with penalties, fees and surcharges on everything that moves and doesn't, instead of going the "tax increase way."

"So it will only be a small proportion that the IRS will have to go after."

As I pointed yesterday, it's the IRS who will be tracking whether or not people have complied with the mandate. This means they will have to track everyone in order to ferret out the delinquents. This will include you, along with the 40%-50% of the country who pay no taxes, as well as those who do. Simply obtaining and managing the necessary records to do so will require major hires. Each potential delinquent will require audit or investigation, which, of course, will mean more documentation. The red tape alone will add untold man hours devoted to filling out all the new forms.

I also pointed out that the IRS will need a mountain of information which even the DoJ is not empowered to collect, that they are subjected to almost no oversight, and that the obstacles in the path of any ordinary citizen seeking legal relief from depredations are largely insurmountable. Say hello to Timothy "J. Edgar Hoover" Geithner.

For someone who sees conspiracies everywhere, it's telling that you so suddenly suffer from a convenient lack of imagination here.

Pops

"""Cantor asked for it by opposing our glorious leaders legislation.

Hail, hail, Barack Obama.""

Remember Obama encouraged his followers to attack his opposition with GUNS!

Obama: "They Bring a Knife...We Bring a Gun"
Obama to His Followers: "Get in Their Faces!"
Obama on ACORN Mobs: "I don't want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I'm angry!"
Obama To His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”

Pops

Just what could possibly be more violent to people then Obama and the liberals position on abortion. And the second biggest supporter of violence are the Democrats in the Senate who voted to have our tax dollars pay for Viagra and other male enhancement drugs be paid for for pedofiles and rapists.

There was aboslutely no reason to oppose this since the bill is going back to the house anyway, yet the Democrats insitsed pedofiles should get Viagra.

That is true, evil support for violence against innocence.

PDinDetroit

If by chance your real last name is Ratzkywatzky you could do worse than Ignatz, you know.

And here I thought Dalrymple had too many consonants together in one name...

JM Hanes

Rick Ballard:

"I want to see the enrollment oath for the Obama Thug Corps."

Pledge of Allegiance

The new Pledge of Allegiance.

Captain Hate

The left made movies about assassinating Bush and said it was artistic freedom. The left has celebrated 9/11 and cheered for defeat in Iraq and said it was freedom of speech. The SEIU goons attacked a peaceful black protester in front of Martha Coakley who did nothing.

The commiecrats and MSM have stooped to new lows, against all odds I'll concede, by picking this fight; anybody with a web browser can see how much they're lying.

Pofarmer

Sure, Cap'n. But, you actually have to LOOK and THINK to find it. That's too much for an awful lot of folks.

Sue

Seriously, they are going to complain about decorum in the house because republicans cheered protesters? How about the entire caucus standing and jeering in the faces of the SC during a SOTU speech? Decorum never saw a democrat. Bastards!

Pops

I can only conclude that the Liberal Democrats in the Senate feared their liberal friends in the house would have rejected the Viagra ban for pedofiles and the bill would have failed for that reason in the house.

May explain why Pelosi marches with pedofiles like Harry Hay.

Harry Hay was a fierce advocate of man/boy love. The North American Man/Boy Love Association was only too delighted to put up a collection of Harry's views on the need for young boys to have older men as sexual partners. Here's just a sample taken from a talk at a New York University forum sponsored by a campus gay group in 1983.

Said Harry: "Because if the parents and friends of gays are truly friends of gays, they would know from their gay kids that the relationship with an older man is precisely what thirteen-, fourteen-, and fifteen-year-old kids need more than anything else in the world."

In short, San Francisco's beloved Harry Hay was a vigorous and well-known advocate of older men having sex with young boys. He was a fearless and quite famous advocate.

Marching a mere three spots away from the famous Harry Hay, no doubt waving and smiling to the crowd, was, U.S. Rep. Nancy Pelosi.

So proudly fly your NO VIAGRA FOR HARRY HAY, NANCY signs.

JM Hanes

"Looks like Cantor's office was shot at Monday night."

Lone extremist.

Porchlight

If by chance your real last name is Ratzkywatzky you could do worse than Ignatz, you know.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky is a darling name from a wonderful movie. Did I ever mention we had a Preston Sturges film series here in town and Eddie Bracken came to speak at it? He was adorable too. They couldn't get him off the stage, he was having so much fun.

Sue

There very afraid of the tea partiers. They went right through the heart of them and barely paid attention to them.

narciso

Brad Woodhouse, authorized DNC spokes drone, made essentially that response to Hanson, in re Cantor's statements

Sue

**They are** grrrr...

Jim Ryan

Are you seeing the SEIU ads all over the place with Perriello's face, asking you to click to thank Perriello for his vote on health care?

Is the GOP funding these ads? If not, why not?

PDinDetroit

Speaking of crimes, The US Government "Pay Czar" has been busy lately.

LUN.

Jane

Instead of bookmarking the Cantor violence, bookmark the 57 senators who voted for viagra for pedophiles. It is killing the left.

First of all they reduce everything to sound bites, and you cannot explain this vote in a soundbite. I've been having that debate all day and it's a riot. My favorite part is when they accuse me of not playing fair on such an important thing as the Castro endorsed health care bill.

The reconciliation bill just passed the senate. Joe Biden presided.

Ignatz

--He was adorable too. They couldn't get him off the stage, he was having so much fun.--

He was an amazing actor.
Should have got an Oscar for "Hail the Conquering Hero" IMO.

BTW my original avatar is back. Everyone else also?

Don't know about anyone else but

Ignatz

Had to have a URL for the first time just to post.
Frickin typepad! God I hate it!

Danube of Thought

I am entirely ignorant of the medical-records-access provisions of this monstrosity. Are there fourth amendment issues here? No on seems to have raised them...

Porchlight

He was an amazing actor.

He sure was, Ignatz. BTW I think I've plugged it before, but Sturges' autobiography is a great read. What a life.

Incidentally, Sturges was born Edmund Preston Biden.

Captain Hate

BTW my original avatar is back. Everyone else also?

Mine is back too; maybe we should start referring to typepad as Hal.

Danube of Thought

I solved the problem by entering the JOM URL.

I had to do that a while back, and when it became annoying to delete it each time (so as not to have my name appear in bold type), I replaced it with a mere X. Of course, since X is not a valid URL I had to delete it every time as well, and after a while that too became annoying. I guess the solution is just to leave the JOM URL in there, but God knows why any of this is necessary.

Danube of Thought

I solved the problem by entering the JOM URL.

I had to do that a while back, and when it became annoying to delete it each time (so as not to have my name appear in bold type), I replaced it with a mere X. Of course, since X is not a valid URL I had to delete it every time as well, and after a while that too became annoying. I guess the solution is just to leave the JOM URL in there, but God knows why any of this is necessary.

Jane

I can only conclude that the Liberal Democrats in the Senate feared their liberal friends in the house would have rejected the Viagra ban for pedofiles and the bill would have failed for that reason in the house.

Actually I think the real reason was that they won every amendment battle and if not for the parliamentarian issue the passage in the senate would have sealed the deal. When that issue arose they were still batting 1000.

Even today after they knew they were going back to the house they voted down every amendment.

I wonder if they can be raised again in the House.

Coburn was very smart to raise that issue early.

centralcal will not comply

Hey, we have probably been under surveillance all this time? Hopefully, they are about to arrest our noxious troll or something, and returned us all to "as we were." :)

Pofarmer

I am entirely ignorant of the medical-records-access provisions of this monstrosity. Are there fourth amendment issues here? No on seems to have raised them...

What ye er this "Constitution" that thou dost speakest of? Verily, is it some olde and moulded document of yore?

Porchlight

I liked my new avatar better than my old one. Ah well. Maybe the Typepad ghosties are protecting us from Fed surveillance...

Pofarmer

How about proposing an amendment where they can't disqualify my policy? That'd be swell.

Ignatz says, like Cato the Elder, Typepad must be destroyed

--I guess the solution is just to leave the JOM URL in there...--

I used it too but for some reason it deletes it every time I make a new post so I have to enter it anew.

Porchlight

Jane or anyone - is the Easter recess still scheduled for March 26? If so, will they need to delay it in order to pass the reconciliation bill?

Pofarmer

How about an amendment proposing this was all a stupid idea and a bad dream?

Pofarmer

How about an amendment proposing this was all a stupid idea and a bad dream?

Jane

I think it is scheduled for tomorrow and Coburn plans to hold it up on a Bunning like spending issue in the senate.

narciso

" e plebnista" Po,

Jane

Porch - I think the Easter recess... (substitute for "it")

centralcal will not comply

Ignatz: remove "/.services/comments" at the end of the url and you should be just fine.

Rob Crawford

The reconciliation bill just passed the senate. Joe Biden presided.

Impossible. When Palin said the VP had a role in shepherding legislation through the Senate, they said she was an idiot. Surely they weren't speaking from their sphincters!

Captain Hate

I think the underlying rationale (although far be it from me to emulate the dumbasses that designed this POS software *shudder*) was that people with their own websites would have it available for other posters to check out. Otherwise there should be an option to blank it out after every post like the comment box does (at least when it's acting correctly, right Hal?)

Btw, I remember reading a back and forth (god knows where because this was way before the internet) about why the computer in 2001: A Space Odyssey was called "Hal". One person said it stood for heuristic analog but another person pointed out that each of the letters was the previous one for IBM.

Captain Hate

Shit; my last comment addressed this: I guess the solution is just to leave the JOM URL in there, but God knows why any of this is necessary.

Jane

Okay I just tweeted all 57 democrats who voted for viagra for pedophiles.

The lunacy continues.

Pagar

"Instead of bookmarking the Cantor violence, bookmark the 57 senators who voted for viagra for pedophiles."

How can this not be criminal? Surely it violates the oath these people took. Or did they take an oath?

Pofarmer

How can this not be criminal? Surely it violates the oath these people took. Or did they take an oath?

Which one? I think they've taken some oaths you and I don't know about.

narciso

To Shiva, Baal, and the unspellable tentacled
being of Lovecraft's imaginings

rse

Andrew Breitbart has posted a $10,000 reward for anyone who can supply footage of a racial epithet on Sunday.

If John Lewis can provide or will undergo a lie detector test and pass, check will go to the United Negro College Fund.

He says two of the CBC strollers kept cameras rolling throughout and should have footage if anything had actually occurred.

He also points out that these walks were designed to try and create an incident to detract from public outrage over the vote.

squaredance

Oh for Heaven's sake, get your feet on this earth. Man up.

Cantor's office was shot up. The Left just pilfered 100 million dollars out of Caterpillar Inc.--and, BTW, those factories are now going oversea if they can survive the competition from foreign firms in the first place--and people are talking about "civility"?

They openly assault the reputations (and soon the persons) of any and all who would resist them and you are worried about "not falling into the trap"? I have news for you, you are falling into their "trap" with this. What idiocy!

We are having our country taken from us, and we are mincing around like this?

No wonder they are winning.


Fight back as if your souls depend on it. They do. So do those of your children.
This is an open war on our lives, liberty and property.

They are out to destroy this nation and this civilization. They are almost there.

Soon you will have no real jobs, no real property and no real options. The Leftist Nonmeklatura will own your homes, and I mean they will literally own them. Soon, your progeny will be their slaves. Soon they will decide if you live or die.

And I mean soon. This will happen so fast it will make your head spin. We do not have until 2013 to change things. They have taken it beyond mere political life; so must we.

Soon you will not be able to express yourselves in public without braving threats to you livelihood and person.

The outrage must be shown and shown now. They cannot be allowed to use their propaganda organs any longer to suppress this nation. It will just get worse and worse. Speak up now. Act now.

What is wrong with you people? Rouse yourselves for your delusions and face the truth. Do it today!

Stop this "Not here, Not in America" delusion that you keep holding onto and see that this is precisely what is happening!

They are gambling that you will be too "civil" to react. They know you better than you know yourselves.


Ask yourselves: Do politicians who fear the result of elections or the rule of law behave this way?

They do not. What is afoot?

Wake up!

Old Lurker

Cap'n...AC Clarke said the following about HAL (per Wiki):

"Clarke more directly addressed this issue in his book The Lost Worlds of 2001:[4]

As is clearly stated in the novel (Chapter 16), HAL stands for Heuristically programmed ALgorithmic computer. However, about once a week some character spots the fact that HAL is one letter ahead of IBM, and promptly assumes that Stanley and I were taking a crack at the estimable institution ... As it happened, IBM had given us a good deal of help, so we were quite embarrassed by this, and would have changed the name had we spotted the coincidence."

Pops

Once Obamacare is up and running, can't we just collapse the system, by going to the doctor everyday and claim Obamacare makes me sick?

How much would that cost?

Sue

DoT,

To clear the url, delete it, then delete your cookies.

Extraneus

Cloward and Piven would be proud, Pops.

Rob Crawford

CH -- Yes, "HAL" is just "IBM" shifted one letter. If you've ever been forced to use IBM software, you appreciate its determination to kill you.

(Usually by means of inducing suicide or simply wearing you out, however.)

Jane

I actually think this revolution is going to be fun.

Captain Hate

Thanks OL.

Btw to paraphrase what I just posted @ AoS: As a graduate of the University of Maryland, I would like to apologize to everyone for Steny Hoyer. I'm pretty sure he's significantly older than I am (as indicated by his dowager hump) but had he been in my dorm, his lack of character would've brought severe ridicule on his slumping shoulders from my peers and I. That may not have resolved the problem (and he might be the product of incest) but we generally took pride in our work.

Ignatz

--Fight back as if your souls depend on it. They do. So do those of your children--

Neither my childrens' immortal souls nor mine depends in any way on what mendacities Nan Pelosi, Slow Joe Biden or Barry Obama might shepherd through the halls of congress.

Whoever gave you your copy of the collected speeches of Patrick Henry did you no great service.

DrJ

forced to use IBM software

Ugh. Back in the day I had to use IBM's CMS (Conversational Monitor System, I think) as an OS after having used Unix for many years. My god was CMS primitive -- it did not even have subdirectories.

Jim Ryan

We are aware of what is happening, squaredance. When you have a suggestion for how to deal with it, you'll let us know. Feverishness isn't a suggestion.

peter

My god was CMS primitive -- it did not even have subdirectories.


The horror.

DrJ

The horror.

Well, peter, subdirectories may not sound like much, but trying to find files when you have tens of thousands of them in a single directory is a major PITA.

MayBee

Am I periwinkle again?

MayBee

Yes! I am! Doesn't that make everybody happy?

Janet

Ask yourselves: Do politicians who fear the result of elections or the rule of law behave this way?

That is a good point though.

Ignatz

Tried posting this once. Here goes again.

Here is Po's link to Kim's climate statistic debate from earlier today
Original link was broken.

centralcal will not comply

Well, MayBee, it kinda makes me happy . . . for you. I always wanted to be periwinkle, but nah, I have this yucky yellow mustard color.

Porchlight

Yes! I am! Doesn't that make everybody happy?

Happy for you but I am back to ugly cyan with nasty white lines.

Then again Pelosi wore periwinkle on her big day the other day, you know. :)

Porchlight

Okay, I suppose that could be called teal or peacock in a stretch.

JeanD

As your deemed JOM letter writer, I provide this report on today's activity. I apologize for sucking so much bandwidth, and won't have hurt feelings if it's an all-scroll, but I am going to start acting locally against the media, as much as possible. To my local talk host, a level headed guy, this morning:

Mike,

I appreciated your response to my e-mail this morning regarding the threats/violence taking place this week; and I agree with you completely that the behavior is unacceptable and counter-productive. It is obvious to me that surrounding someone's home is totally out of bounds, too. That said, the point I was trying to make is somewhat different.

As you remarked, people on the right/conservative side of the spectrum generally play by the rules, and aren't historically stirred to protest, rally, hold sit-ins, etc. We try to support our positions by voting, and then hope for the best. I am neither a Republican nor a Tea Partier, but I am very passionately opposed to the health care takeover.

It steals my freedom and will push us into bankruptcy. It invests unelected officials and a vast new bureaucracy with unprecedented access to my personal information and control over my personal health decisions; and, it will ultimately destroy our quality of medical care. Costs will rise, and care will suffer.

For the folks that hold this view, it has become increasingly difficult to sit down and shut up. So, we call our reps, and write our reps, but are still unheard and unheeded. We tell Congress "NO" in poll after poll, and they ignore us. Tea party rallies are held, and the only press they get is coverage of some fringe twit standing at the edge of a sea of retirees, soccer moms, and assorted other taxpayers.

Meanwhile, the op-ed pieces and talking heads characterize these citizens as extremists, racists, gun nuts and evangelical freaks who are out of step with America. We don't care about the poor, and we are selfishly devoted to making sick people suffer. We are the people of NO, who just want to reward evil insurance companies and prevent all reform.

The examples I gave this morning were meant to demonstrate the old saw: a lie is halfway around the world before the truth can even gets its shoes tied. The reporting over the last 24 hours feeds from the message that has already been created; namely that only opponents of the legislation could have engaged in these acts. You assumed the same in your opening remarks this morning, calling out Republican hillbillies. No need for evidence. Let's convict them in the court of public opinion. We know who did this, and it must be denounced!

It is not lost on opponents of the takeover that nothing they do seems to work. No matter what, they will be called teabaggers or haters. The Republicans won't sound the alarm or fight back with any appreciable effort through op-ed's, or on the weekend shows. Heck, it's "breaking news" if John Boehner even raises his voice, and he only gets that inspired after the horses are already out of the barn. In light of all this, is it any wonder that opposition frustration might escalate into foolish behavior in some instances. (This is not an endorsement, but an explanation of what I see going on. When "NO" and "HELL NO" don't work, what's left?)

You freely acknowledge that lefties are masters of bad behavior, brattiness, and dirty tricks; so why is it so far-fetched to posit that some of the bad behavior may, in fact, be the result of their efforts to discredit and delegitimize the opposition? And why is it that the media doesn't reserve judgment until the facts are revealed?

If it turns out that the bad actors were all on the right, they should be denounced and/or prosecuted accordingly. But if it turns out that some were from the left, will we hear about it at all? And where should the vast number of peaceful opponents go to get their reputations back?

Love your show. Have a great weekend, and thanks for hearing me out.


Jean

P.S. Driehaus is wrong. Most people don't hate it because of "fear tactics." They hate it because it steals their freedom and makes them subservient to the wishes of the government. I am not afraid. I am alarmed that Congress, acting with impunity and a total disregard of reality and public opinion, is crippling the economy and congratulating themselves for having done so. I find their celebratory victory dance unseemly and insulting, as well. They are making history, but it remains to be seen what kind.

But what do I know? After all, I use salt when I cook!

centralcal will not comply

Ha ha, JeanD! Absolutely, love your very last lines. I may steal 'em, and embellish a wee bit, because I use a lot of salt when I cook. hee hee.

Rob Crawford

Jean -- you a Cincinnatian? Is "Mike" Mike McConnel? I can't believe he'd buy into the "teabagger" propaganda.

centralcal will not comply

uh oh - Jane, dear - you were talking about your Viagra twitters and I saw a few of those tweets just a little while ago.

But, now I returned to twitter and they have all disappeared. Were you censored or something by the twitgods?

Porchlight

Great job, Jean.

centralcal will not comply

Sorry - false alarm. Just many tweets came in and moved yours down the list where I couldn't see them. phew!

JeanD

Rob,

Yes to Cincinnati, and a huge Gary Burbank fan to boot. The guy is a genius.

Yes to Mike, but no to him buying the whole media line. He made the legitimate point that bad behavior doesn't attract allies. This is a point I can agree with. Where I disagreed sharply was with the assumption, without evidence, that it was all bad behavior from opponents/the right.

I am trying to open his mind to the possibility of 'black ops' by lefties, and asking him not to judge before the facts are in.

narciso

How about they actually ahow some evidence, they have shown some recordings, did they trace them back, I'm very dissapointed that
McConnell would entertain that notion,

JeanD

narcisco,

If you are talking about my Mike, I need to make clear that he mentioned the lack of any video evidence. The part that annoyed me was that he started his show with the assumption that the "bad guys" were righties who were making Republicans and conservatives look bad.

He is a fair guy, and I wanted him to understand that opponents feel like they have no way to be heard. He routinely remarks on the double standard between left and right, and I wanted him to withhold the scolding until he had the facts.

narciso

That's why it surprised me, Jean, it seemed out of character, from when I've heard him
usually on the weekends, than again I haven't
heard him for a while.

JeanD

narcisco, it was more a case of him making one point (with which I agree...witchhunting is a lousy way to get friends) and me making another. I'm sure I was more annoyed at the scolding because it came on the heels of every newsbreak being headlined by the news of UNPRECEDENTED rhetoric, threats, and acts of minor vandalism all indirectly attributed to righties! They are dialed up to 11, and I want him to acknowledge or understand that this only fans the flames.

No suspect? Then, no verdict.

Jane says obamasucks

Centralcal,

You scared me.

Square dance, I'm interested in what you are doing besides crying doom and rallying the troops.

Danube of Thought

How does one delete one's cookies, and are there side-effects?

Danube of Thought

Hey--maybe the problem is no longer with us. That time, my old X showed up in the URL bar, I delete the X, and the post went through.

Any way to keep the X from showing up?

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