All Too Human

Cue the GEICO jokes:

Signs of Neanderthals Mating With Humans

By Nicholas Wade

Neanderthals mated with some modern humans after all and left their imprint in the human genome, a team of biologists has reported in the first detailed analysis of the Neanderthal genetic sequence.

That conclusion comes from heavy statistical analysis of Neanderthal bone fragments that may or may not have been subsequently contaminated by humans.  Subject to the caveat that this research is not yet fully embraced, we press on:

[Lead researcher] Dr. Paabo said that episode of human-Neanderthal breeding implied by Dr. Reich’s statistics most plausibly occurred “in the Middle East where the first modern humans appear before 100,000 years ago and there were Neanderthals until 60,000 years ago.” According to Dr. Klein, people in Africa expanded their range and reached just Israel during a warm period some 120,000 years ago. They retreated during a cold period some 80,000 years ago and were replaced by Neanderthals. It is not clear whether or not they overlapped with Neanderthals, he said.

These humans, in any case, were not fully modern and they did not expand from Africa, an episode that occurred some 30,000 years later. If there was any interbreeding, the flow of genes should have been both ways, Dr. Klein said, but Dr. Paabo’s group sees evidence for gene flow only from Neanderthals to modern humans.

The Leipzig group’s interbreeding theory would undercut the present belief that all human populations today draw from the same gene pool that existed a mere 50,000 years ago. “What we falsify here is the strong out-of-Africa hypothesis that everyone comes from the same population,” Dr. Paabo said.

In his and Dr. Reich’s view, Neanderthals interbred only with non-Africans, the people who left Africa, which would mean that non-Africans drew from a second gene pool not available to Africans.

Those were the concluding paragraphs, always a good place to look for the smoking gun in a Times piece.  As to the function of the genes in question?  But the researchers make this claim:

Experts believe that the Neanderthal genome sequence will be of extraordinary importance in understanding human evolutionary history since the two species split some 600,000 years ago.

So far, the team has identified only about 100 genes — surprisingly few — that have contributed to the evolution of modern humans since the split. The nature of the genes in humans that differ from those of Neanderthals is of particular interest because they bear on what it means to be human, or at least not Neanderthal. Some of the genes seem to be involved in cognitive function and others in bone structure.

My goodness - evidence that humanity split into European and Asian branches, bred with other slightly different species, and developed slightly different cognitive functions at the genetic level?  That won't be enough to get Dr.Watson his job back, nor should it be.  And I don't think logic and evidence are relevant to the truly committed libs.  Still, given the epistemic closure on questions of race, equality, and intelligence I would say this is bordering on Dangerous Science that may have trouble being funded.

REACHING BACK IN TIME:  From a comment by "daddy" we see that the WaPo wrote about our Neanderthal heritage three years ago:

But Trinkaus says the fossil record is the best information available, and it increasingly points to an "admixture" theory -- that Neanderthals who had lived in Europe for about 400,000 years shared the land and, to some extent, their genes with the migrants from the south who began arriving 40,000 years ago.

As with all theories regarding the Neanderthals, there are problems with the one Trinkaus and others are advancing. So far, analysis of modern humans' DNA has turned up no identifiable Neanderthal genetic material. Instead, it points to a common East African male ancestor from about 100,000 years ago and a common East African female from 170,000 years ago. Because the sampling remains limited, evolutionary geneticists generally do not say their findings settle the matter -- although an ongoing mapping of the Neanderthal genome by European researchers may change the equation.

If you can't take the heat:

But one genetic trait of modern Europeans makes him doubt there was any major Neanderthal input -- the fact that most humans today are genetically ill-adapted to cold weather. Only some native Indian populations, as well as people in the north of Eurasia and aborigines in Australia (who experience deep cold at night), have good genetic defenses to cold. Since Neanderthals lived in Europe for hundreds of thousands of years, through ice ages and frigid conditions, they would have become genetically suited to such conditions, Stringer said. The fact that Europeans are not, he added, suggests that any Neanderthal contribution to their makeup is limited.

But back to brains:

One geneticist, Bruce T. Lahn of the University of Chicago, has even proposed that Neanderthals may have provided genetic material that helped in human brain development. Lahn has been studying such genes, in particular a gene called microcephalin. A mutation of that gene can cause microcephaly, which leaves a child with a very small head and serious neurological problems.

Lahn's studies indicated that a new and more powerful version of the gene arose in modern humans about 40,000 years ago. In a paper last year, he concluded that the two microcephalin genes are so different that they must have diverged about 1 million years ago, around the time of the split between those that would become Neanderthals and the homo sapiens destined to become modern humans.

Lahn's explanation of the information: The newer and better version of the gene evolved in a separate species -- most likely Neanderthals -- and then entered the gene pool of modern humans through interbreeding around the time that modern humans reached Europe.

MSNBC had more on Dr. Lahn:

Could our big brains come from Neanderthals?

Study: Gene could only be passed by interbreeding with humans

WASHINGTON - Neanderthals may have given the modern humans who replaced them a priceless gift — a gene that helped them develop superior brains, U.S. researchers reported on Tuesday.

And the only way they could have provided that gift would have been by interbreeding, the team at the Howard Hughes Medical Institute and the University of Chicago said.

...Lahn's team found a brain gene that appears to have entered the human lineage about 1.1 million years ago, and that has a modern form, or allele, that appeared about 37,000 years ago — right before Neanderthals became extinct.

...Positive selection means the gene conferred some sort of advantage, so that people who had it were more likely to have descendants than people who did not. Lahn's team estimated that 70 percent of all living humans have this type D variant of the gene.

"By no means do these findings constitute definitive proof that a Neanderthal was the source of the original copy of the D allele. However, our evidence shows that it is one of the best candidates," Lahn said.

The researchers reached their conclusions by doing a statistical analysis of the DNA sequence of microcephalin, which is known to play a role in regulating brain size in humans. Mutations in the human gene cause development of a much smaller brain, a condition called microcephaly.

They noted that this D allele is very common in Europe, where Neanderthals lived, and more rare in Africa, where they did not. Lahn said it is not yet clear what advantage the D allele gives the human brain.

"The D alleles may not even change brain size; they may only make the brain a bit more efficient if it indeed affects brain function," Lahn said.

COMING BACK TO THE WEATHER...  Above we heard from a scientist noting that Europeans are not particularly suited to cold weather.  I'll take his word for it, but Steve Sailer has this reminder as part of his primitive caveman coverage:

...as Brandeis historian David Hackett Fischer pointed out in his famous Albion's Seed, these racial differences had an enormous impact on the history of America. He notes that the cold climate of colonial Massachusett:

"proved to be exceptionally dangerous to immigrants from tropical Africa, who suffered severely from pulmonary infections in New England winters. Black death rates in colonial Massachusetts were twice as high as whites' - a pattern very different from Virginia where mortality rates for the two races were not so far apart, and still more different from South Carolina where white death rates were higher than those of blacks. So high was mortality among African immigrants in New England that race slavery was not viable on a large scale, despite many attempts to introduce it. Slavery was not impossible in this region, but the human and material costs were higher than many wished to pay. A labor system which was fundamentally hostile to the Puritan ethos of New England was kept at bay partly by the climate."

Interesting.  Here is an abolition timeline from Wikipedia.

Comments

[bgates]

That won't be enough to get Dr.Watson his job back, nor should it be.

But if your lab is looking for a good political officer, Tom Maguire's your guy.

[Gotta be a good one somewhere in there.]

Hmmm. Meanderthal.
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[Emmenthaler, quite a holler.]

Not a fast pun. Not a crack slider. A hanging......oh, it's on the tip of my tongue.
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[Elliott]

A hanging......oh, it's on the tip of my tongue.

Chad Parliament.

[Thomas Collins]

Must be those damn Neanderthal genes that make me think that Hayek is a superior economist to Marx, thus making me one of those lower IQ right wingers.

[Where'd the heat go? Probably out to space.]

Ooh, big chill in the Pacific.
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[Pofarmer]

Kim, it sure is good to have your links back.

P.S. Whatever happened to VS?

[Crack Oil]

The fact that humans contaminated the space alien luciferian genetics is probably good, like the neandertals, most of what isn't needed is being lost. Humans will become what Lucifer is used to; reflections of himself in creation.

The satanically pure genetics did also split off, but it was before the European migration ,etc. so the luciferians are concerned the genetics aren't theirs and is pure satanic rather than just luciferian, making them subs to lucifer, which is what luciferian genetics are.

The original space alien luciferian genetics are actually from Satan and superior to human and space aliens making them the pure beings; computers and robots of existence. Why would luciferians aspire to this perfection as perversions of lucifer. Obviously the most they could hope for is resurrection as a metal man or computer, Satan's perfection for the perversions.

Being made perfect by genetic resurrection is impossible; only a reflection of perfection perverted by Satanic resurrection, perfection, God's creations.

[daddy]

I suppose this Professor Lahn, writing in ">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/29/AR2007042901101.html"> the WaPo 3 years back, didn't get fired for suggesting that Neanderthals added specific genes to improve human intelligence, because he naturally assumed African Blacks aren't racist and would have had sex with Neanderthalers just like Europeans and Asians, and everybody else.

Prof Lahn's interesting hypothesis was this:

"Lahn of the University of Chicago, has even proposed that Neanderthals may have provided genetic material that helped in human brain development. Lahn has been studying such genes, in particular a gene called microcephalin. A mutation of that gene can cause microcephaly, which leaves a child with a very small head and serious neurological problems.

Lahn's studies indicated that a new and more powerful version of the gene arose in modern humans about 40,000 years ago. In a paper last year, he concluded that the two microcephalin genes are so different that they must have diverged about 1 million years ago, around the time of the split between those that would become Neanderthals and the homo sapiens destined to become modern humans.

Lahn's explanation of the information: The newer and better version of the gene evolved in a separate species -- most likely Neanderthals -- and then entered the gene pool of modern humans through interbreeding around the time that modern humans reached Europe."

[anduril]

Go to Steve Sailer's blog for blogging on this and related issues.

Steve Sailer's iSteve Blog

He offers this clarification, for those who were wondering:

Keep in mind that only the "strong" (absolutist) version of the Out-of-Africa hypothesis that is in trouble. The weak version (that most of our genes are descended from people whose ancestors were in Africa 100,000 or so years ago) looks pretty reliable.

[daddy]

If anybody cares,

From: The Richard Dawkin's Foundation for Reason and Science (8 August 2008)

">http://richarddawkins.net/articles/2965"> Neanderthal DNA Shows They Rarely Interbred With Us Very Different Humans

"The team analysed the DNA of 13 genes from the Neanderthal mitochondria and found they were distinctly different to modern humans, suggesting Neanderthals never, or rarely, interbred with early humans."

"Humans are all more similar to each other, than any human is to a Neandertal. And in fact the Neandertal sequence is three or more times as different, on average, from us as we are from each other."

And from the comments:

"So bush is NOT linked directly to the Neanderthals? Are they sure?

"Of course they are sure. His kind PREDATES Neandethals by several million years, at least."

[Craiol]

Breeding to perfection isn't an issue either, like resurrection , it is a reflection, perversion, of perfection that was once here. Luciferians try to worship by saying they want to be 'made' what Satan once perfected, but they are and have been perversions of Lucifer. Something to use would be the fetus' of the breeding program outing the pure DNA as it is a perversion like them.

[daddy]

">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/41/Alleyoop40937.jpg"> I'd do her!

[anduril]

Who knows, perhaps interbreeding with Neanderthals explains some of this behavior, described by a former Goldman Sachs VP: How Goldman Will Keep Gaming the System

As is often the case, the collective wisdom of the public is correct. Financial sector profit has grown to 40% of the US total over the last two decades. Innovation in our economy is morphing from production of new products and services to hedging the prices of existing products and services. This does not sound like a sensible strategy for long-term growth. It is a strategy for stagnation, focused on risk aversion and squeezing profits from existing business activity.

...

A player sometimes loses, even if the uneven field favors him. This should humble him and change his behavior. Unfortunately, the potential humbling effect of the financial crisis was diminished by the unavoidable bail out of the financial sector. Behavior did not change materially. In fact, Mr. Blankfein has told his associates and shareholders that Goldman plans to profit in the future by following its existing business model.

[Clarice]

George Galloway, the odious, lost his seat last night. At Last!

[seepainquarantinebeyonddollars]

Parliaments hung on purpose. They've screwed up so bad they hope this will take care of it like others. Problem is O is still making and mad.

'I want us to make....'

[Ian R Thorpe]

A hundred genes. Isn't that aout the same number as we share with earthworms? It's certainly a lot less than we share with chimps.

[daddy]

Other hot Neanderthalesses:

http://www.basementcomics.com/ "> Cavewoman.

">http://www.bmoviecentral.com/bmc/reviews/111-prehistoric-women-1950-74-minutes.html"> Saber-toothed Cat Fights?

">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1137083/Carly-cavegirl-steals-Raquel-Welchs-prehistoric-bikini.html"> Paleo-lithic Lingerie.

">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1058538/Meet-Wilma-The-face-Neanderthal-woman-revealed-time.html"> Wilma 1

">http://www.grudge-match.com/Images/betty_wilma.jpg"> Wilma 2

">http://www.katzforums.com/showthread.php?t=278973"> Jurassic Park-Avenue (NSFC-Not Safe For Cave)

[daddy]

FOX news is reporting 11 people in Pakistan arrested in the investigation of the Times Square attempted bombing, so I guess its safe to conclude he really was a 'Lone Wolf" acting alone.

[Dave (in MA)]

Why not?

[Elliott]

Which of the dates mentioned by Dr. Paabo predate the last general election victory by Nick Clegg's party?

[daddy]

Speaking of dates Elliott, I'll take the">http://flavorwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/r-crumb-prehistoric-cave-girls.jpg">the one on the left.

[Thomas Collins]

Looks as if we're on the way to a Neanderthal cheesecake calendar, daddy. Remember now, in the spirit of gender equality, to have a Neanderthal beefcake calendar.

[Clarice]

Holes in the Times Sq bombing Story:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/05/full_of_holes_the_times_square.html>????

This neaderthal gene claim..Do you suppose it explains why women so often fall for beasts?

[Thomas Collins]

Eleven Paks involved in the Times Square plot? Are they concerned with possible lack of full health care coverage for jihadists under ObamaCare, or lack of Sharia law oriented day care centers in the US?

[Clarice]

I still want to now how Shazam found two parking spaces in Tmes Sq--one where he parked overnight without being towed.

[Elliott]

Leaving neanderthals aside, what's all this about a Minotaurine government?

[Clarice]

**Know how**

Minotaurine govt--Hmmm..Let me think about that, Elliott.

[glasater]

My favorite Nigel Farage lost his race....

[Jane]

Hey guys ~- ever have green wine? It´s not bad. I posted "day one Lisbon at You too - even tho it is already day 3. Cést la vie.
LUN

[centralcal]

Just checking in, and so far Clarice has the best post - Galloway out! Wonderful.

[Jane]

NEITHER the BBC, Sky News or CNN portugal have said a word about GaLLOWAY and they seem to be going thru the winners and losers one by one. I guess they missed him.

[A Monster.]

He can take his ill-gotten Oil For Food money now and go to Hell.
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[Danube of Thought]

Beautiful news about Galloway, and also a very fine piece in AT by Clarice on the iron-brained stupidity of Barbara Boxer.

[Janet]

Oh no glasater...I liked him too.

[Clarice]

Danke, DoT.

As for Galloway, in these times I take every bit of good news with great joy.

[sears]

Luciferian wiles will get you no where. We know that women are really from Venus.

O was renouncing his citizenship, not denying access.

[jimmyk]

I still want to now how Shazam found two parking spaces in Tmes Sq--one where he parked overnight without being towed.

The overnight one was reported to be a few blocks away in the West 30s--it's possible there's overnight street parking over there. As for Times Sq, fuggedaboutit. But was he even in a legal spot?

Still, that AT piece you link raises some questions.

[Pagar]

The LA Times has apparently endorsed Sen Boxer at least once before. So did the LA Times get smarter or did Sen Boxer lose her ability "to exhibit intellectual leadership?"
Good article Clarice.

[Clarice]

I think it does, too, Jimmy. You must be far cleverer than I. I can hardly find a place to park my feet for a few minutes in Times Sq. which is now busier and more heavily trafficked than I ever remember it being.

Thanks, pagar. I guess they are hoping some other Dem wins the primary because she's not holding up well in the polls.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Jane-

Vino Verde.

And if you happen to discover "white port".....

Well, let's just say you will start to think about changing your ticket, monthly.

Have fun!

[matt]

Mongo like Neanderthal girl.Neanderthal girl understand Mongo. Mongo not gay!

and Jane Vinha Verde is one of the best....sharp, tangy. A great summer wine to drink with Neanderthals.

[peter]

Love Vinho Verde. Albarinho is great too.

[anduril]

peter gets the handshake and pat on the back: vinho verde it is.

had it with pulled pork last saturday and it went nicely.

[Extraneus]

Well I for one welcome our new Neanderthal overlords, but I'm at a loss here:

Sen. Bennett in Fight of His Life for Utah Republican Nomination

"I don't have any understanding how somebody can look at my record and say, 'Gee, this guy is a liberal.' That is nonsense," he said. "The reality is I'm considered in Washington as one of the most conservative members of Congress."

But he has come under attack for voting for a massive financial bailout, co-sponsoring a bipartisan bill mandating health insurance coverage and for aggressively seeking earmarks for Utah.

Ooops.

The Healthy Americans Act of 2007

Sorry I didn't remember that, Bob. Fortunatly, your constituents do.

[anduril]

Portuguese make some very nice, affordable wines. They've started making red table wines from the grapes that used to all go to make porto. Quinta do Alqueve makes a very nice $10 red called Tradicional, for example. I'm sure there are others. Too bad their country's going down the toilet.

[Danube of Thought]

When I was in high school there was a song called Whie Port and Lemon Juice, so that's what we would order down at the Long Bar in Tijuana. No idea whether that's what we were actually served, but it did a creditable job of getting us hammered.

[MikeS]

I imagine that it would be very difficult to get a sample of Neanderthal DNA that hasn't been contaminated by human DNA.

I don't doubt that some hanky panky might have gone on, but as a theory for what happened to the Neanderthals I don't think it is convincing. Modern humans have a history of attacking creatures they perceive as competition or as a threat. That includes not just lions, tigers, grizzlies, and wolves, but other humans also.

The Paiutes in Norther Nevada told early explorers about a tradition they had that there had once been a tribe of violent red haired people who lived nearby. The Paiutes called that tribe the "tule eaters."

According to the story, the Paiutes banded together with several other tribes and attacked the red haired people. Most of the "tule eaters" were trapped in a cave and massacred.

[anduril]

This is weird. On Mario Rubio's website (04/20/10) it says:

Sadly, even as Jewish people around the world commemorate this day, the state of Israel continues its fight for survival and existence. On a daily basis, they struggle to build a homeland for all Jewish people, and for the right to live in peace.

Is he saying that ALL Jews should move to Israel? After all, America is MY homeland--not the places my ancestors came from. Weird. Can't American Jews live in peace right here in America?

[oil processing monopoly NO play]

Port is bad wine over fermented and the lemon is to help the yeast move it up. Yeast was probably garbage too.

So, when O asserts his Indonesian citizenship without all the news and CIA informant helpers, like Plame, will it make a difference to governing America?

[anduril]

From Powerline:

Robin Roberts died yesterday at the age of 83. Roberts was a remarkable pitcher for the Philadelphia Phillies during the early and mid 1950s. He won 20 or more games in six straight years and 19 games in 1956. His best season was 1952 when he went 28-7 with a 2.59 ERA, and was named Major League Player of the Year by the Sporting News.

[anduril]

Suggestion for a new post by TM:

James Taranto has a good Best of the Web column: Everything Gives You Cancer? A new report belies Obama's promise to "restore science to its rightful place".

The New York Times [follow link for link] reports on another example: "a dire government report on cancer risks from chemicals and other hazards in the environment," which is so alarmist that it has even "drawn criticism from the American Cancer Society, which says government experts are overstating their case."

According to the NYT, the chairman of the president's panel, Dr. LaSalle D. Leffall Jr. of Howard University:

acknowledged that it was impossible to specify just how many cancers were environmentally caused, because not enough research had been done, but he said he was confident that when the research was done, it would confirm the panel's assertion that the problem had been grossly underestimated.

[centralcal]

Oporto and a great cigar. Nothing better! You don't have to inhale to appreciate the wonderful aromas of both.

[Danube of Thought]

WP&LJ was done by the Bel-Aires in 1955. (Just thought you'd like to know.)

[JM Hanes]

Clarice:

"I guess they are hoping some other Dem wins the primary because she's not holding up well in the polls."

I suspect they're probably afraid to endorse a loser and confirm just how little they matter.

MikeS:

"Modern humans have a history of attacking creatures they perceive as competition or as a threat."

They also have a history of dragging off their competitors' women.

[JM Hanes]

"Can't American Jews live in peace right here in America?"

It must be Broken Record Day.

[Melinda Romanoff]

JMH-

I was not involved with either event. My friends Santelli and Nitti will back me up.

[Ann says Obama Sucks!]

Michelle has outdone herself.

The mother of all dresses for Mother's Day.

[Clarice]

Her cinco de Mayo schmata was at least this good.

[nathan hale]

So Galloway, Smith, down, Darling like a slithering creature still remains, Farage, the UKIP who properly browbeat the Eurocrat
Rampage (sic) was voted down, schizophrenia
is more than one personality, right

[centralcal]

Oh dear lord, Ann.

I am sure HuffPo posters are experiencing the "rapture" with this latest from our POTUS.

[Godspurpose]

History.

I've decided to run these without tax payer money: Leadership Development Academy and future leaders schools(globally).

[Clarice]

Interestingly, Galloway had to run in a different district. His old seat was won by a Labour member, a Moslem woman. People on the street--Moslems--called out "scum" when his name was read. They still are angry that he beat out a black Jewish woman from Labour last time.
This time he ran in another District where his preposterously named party respect party had no support at all.

[matt]

is that a clown suit?

[nathan hale]

Look what we found about the 'esteemed Judge
Goldstone' yes the quote marks are intentionally ironic, in the LUN

[Ann says Obama Sucks!]

Governor Jan Brewer for President 2012

I like this woman

Compare Brewer, Palin, Bachmann, and Cheney to Collins, Snowe, Lindsey Graham, and McCain then think about who has more brains and balls.

[daddy]

I spotted the "11 arrested Paki's connected to the Times Square case" were in a scrolling ticker at the bottom of the screen during Megan Kelly's FOX show today. All I can find now is stuff like this ">http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/sc-dc-bomb-20100506,0,6223179.story"> Baltimore Sun story saying 4 Paki's were arrested.

Anybody have a better update?

[Clarice]

Politico says the feds have traced the flash trades that triggered the cascade to Chicago.

[anduril]

Yedioth Ahronoth's findings show that Goldstone sentenced at least 28 black defendants to death. Most of them were found guilty of murder and sought to appeal the verdict. In those days, he actually made sure he showed his support for the execution policy, [wrote] in one verdict that it reflects society's demands that a price be paid for crimes it rightfully views as frightening.

Bastard!

[se]

Update from Times Square: Take this test and don't forget what a UFP2000 is.

http://www.frontsight.com/landingpg-rifle-shotgun.asp?src=gaw&gclid=CJ7Mx82swaECFciA5Qodbj_m_g

[daddy]

Aw crud. Now they tell us.

Remember">http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/05/100505-science-environment-ozone-hole-25-years/">Remember the Ozone Hole?

Twenty-five years later, the lingering "hole" over Antarctica is close to closing—and that may not be entirely a good thing.

[nathan hale]

The fact that he was actually a party to the apartheid system, and yet throws 'apartheid'
so casually to a General assembly that includes the likes of Zimbabwe, Sudan, Iran, et al

[anduril]

Nate, you should've cited his inconsistent statements. C'mon, get smart!

[nathan hale]

This witness before the clueless Tucson city commission, also is of note, in the LUN

[centralcal]

Chicago, Clarice?

I am not surprised.

[Ann says Obama Sucks!]

Nate:

I love that video. You will like this one too:

Stop The Haters: Black Conservatives Respond

FreedomWorks is doing great work and it is so uplifting.

[Clarice]

*tapping and twirling* My kind of town
Chicago is my kind of town.....

[daddy]

And for the ladies, Neanderhunks!

1) ">http://www.sciencedaily.com/images/2007/08/070813101018-large.jpg"> The Well Dressed Cave-Painter.

2) ">http://www.sciencedaily.com/images/2008/08/080807130824-large.jpg"> No Troglodyte this guy.

3) ">http://blogs.sundaymercury.net/weirdscience/assets_c/2009/02/Neanderthal_280_470743a-thumb-400x557.jpg"> Care to Share my bone?

4) ">http://dancingczars.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/ksm-rosie.jpg"> I'm sure he has a lovely personality!

[Clarice]

Heh--One and two remind me of some guys I dated in collee though.

[nathan hale]

So, that's where you got the idea for the pike concession

[anduril]

The fact that he was actually a party to the apartheid system...

Nate, you'll want to read these links.

This Wikipedia article is actually rather perfunctory:

Israel – South Africa relations

This next one is quite lengthy:

Brothers in arms - Israel's secret pact with Pretoria

During the second world war the future South African prime minister John Vorster was interned as a Nazi sympathiser. Three decades later he was being feted in Jerusalem. In the second part of his remarkable special report, Chris McGreal investigates the clandestine alliance between Israel and the apartheid regime, cemented with the ultimate gift of friendship - A-bomb technology

This last one covers South Africa's relations with many countries, so look for the section on Israel--or just read it all:

South Africa: Relations with Other Countries

This is not the whole section re Israel, just an excerpt:

South Africa and Israel had collaborated on military training, weapons development, and weapons production for years before broad sanctions were imposed in the late 1980s. Military cooperation continued despite the arms embargo and other trade restrictions imposed by the United States and much of Western Europe. Israel and several other countries discreetly traded with, and purchased enriched uranium from, South Africa throughout the 1980s. Romania's former president Nicolae Ceausescu, for example, used Israel as the "middleman" for exports to South Africa. In a few cases, joint ventures between Israel and South Africa helped to reduce the impact of sanctions on South African businesses.

The Israeli interest in South Africa sprang in part from the presence in South Africa of about 110,000 Jews, including at least 15,000 Israeli citizens. Israeli leaders sometimes justified trade with South Africa as support for the South African Jewish community, and South Africa provided a market for some of Israel's military exports. Israel's arms trade with South Africa was estimated at between US$400 million and US$800 million annually (see Arms Trade and the Defense Industry, ch. 5). In 1986 Israel also imported approximately US$181 million in goods, mainly coal, from South Africa, and exported to South Africa nonmilitary products worth about US$58.8 million.

Bottom line: who knows where Goldstone got the idea that it was OK to be "actually a party to the apartheid system." People get strange ideas, form weird ways to rationalize their behavior.

My advice is, argue the Gaza invasion on its merits, not through ad hominem means. When you resort to ad hominem means you invite a similar response.

[In Chicago.]

I knew a man; he danced with his wife.
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[Frau Steingehirn]

Reminds me of the Klingon insult on an NCIS: "You mother has a smooth forehead."

Just passed through ccal's valley of death and dust. It really hurts to see giant orchards dead and the skeletons left standing. Plenty of accusatory signs but not the mention of the actual guilty -- the Democarps. Thanks Dems for *your* care of Mother Gaia. Pfui!

[Melinda Romanoff]

clarice-

That's just a tad too convenient, don't you think?

They have a place, but not who owns it?

Starting to stink even more...

[nathan hale]

The left made common cause with the Palestinians in the early 70s, Israel was
pitied up until the point it showed it could
defend itself, much like the international reaction to 9/11, vis a vis the US. The Russians through their successor to the Okrana Agentura, the KGB propagated the 'zionism is racism' meme, and were after the Saudis, the leading supporters of the PLO, although it was the GRU's Sakharovsky
who was Arafat's patron.as they arose from a splinter of the Moslem brotherhood. This attitude is expressed most clearly in the memoirs of old foreign apparatchik Primakov,
who worked in agitating the Arab street from the 50s on, and has a kind word for Hamas, Like Chambers noted in 'Ghosts on the Roof" old habits like those of Trepov
Ignatiev, and Tolstoy Sr, die hard

[daddy]

Perhaps they need ">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Sunday"> Billy Sunday on the floor of the Chicago Exchange to try to shut that down.

[Ann says Obama Sucks!]

Dateline Chicago:

Mel:

Help us answer why there are so many suicides in Chicago of top business men associated with Durbin:

This Is The Third Suicide in Chicago this year

[ignatz]

--schizophrenia
is more than one personality, right--

Common misperception, Nate.
Multiple personalities also known as dissociative disorder is a personality disorder (often called neuroses) grouped with other personality disorders like Narcissitic PD and Borderline PD. Personality disorders do not appear to have a physical cause but are most likely the result of traumas of one sort or another and are seldom effectively treated with drugs.
Schizophrenia is a psychosis or a mental or thinking disorder presenting as delusions, hallucinations, confused thinking etc. It is believed to be caused by some type of poorly understood chemical imbalance and is often treatable with any number of anti psychotics most of which interact with the brains dopamine receptors as excessive dopamine activity appears correlated with schizophrenia.
I guess the reason schizophrenia is often confused with multip[le personalities is that the root words of schizophrenia mean "a split mind".

[nathan hale]

I was making that reference, Ignatz in light of the vote in Britain yesterday, they forced out some corrupt (Smith,) evil (Galloway) anf yet they kept others like Darling, it was metaphorical

[Melinda Romanoff]

And nobody in Chicago would say anything about it being from here, to anyone in the biz?

Big. Fat. Lie.

Doesn't even pass the smell test. Nobody would be able to keep that kind of trade a secret, even the Feds. Who's on the other side of the trade? (the biggest dupe, and is mute).

Where are Dodd, Durbin, Reid, And Schumer? For a noisy bunch of boys with a bill to pass, they are damn silent.

This stinks. Rotten fish type of stink.

Traced to Chicago? And no exchange makes a peep for two whole days?

If I made this kind of mistake, or trade, the clearing firm would have been on my back, and at my side within 5 minutes of execution of a trade this size. Two days?

Fat Finger This.

No. Way.

It's still a lie.

I'm working on the xcl spreadsheet of 297 corrected NASDAQ trades, 60% wide, or more. better than 75% are ETFs and Closed end funds. The overlap of underlying securities is a bit frightening. It was broad in its assault and deep in specific issues that would snap the market quickly.

If anyone wants to follow up the data list, I'll happily share the link and spread out the work.

Clarice, Chicago doesn't cut it as the true origination, for me at least.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Ann-

Oh, Suicide.

Is that what they're calling it this year.

[Clarice]

What do you suspect?

BTW, not everyone's a timid shoe clerk..some folks figured out what was going on and bought at a nice 35% haircut.

[Melinda Romanoff]

And there might be some crime here that far, far outstrips most of the globe.

And, it may make me nervous, but I'm not. I refuse to donate to political causes, which are kinda important around here. Keeps me very clean.

[nathan hale]

My my, things do get interesting as you start looking around, in the LUN

[Melinda Romanoff]

And others were locked out of the exchanges, trying to enter orders.

And the NYSE "lost" their tapes of activity for the last 20 minutes of the day.

Clarice-

How would YOU try and influence 41 individuals?

It. Stinks.

[Captain Hate]

Help us answer why there are so many suicides in Chicago of top business men associated with Durbin

How would you feel if it was reported in the MSM that you were associated with that idiot? You spend your entire life building a career and then that bombshell drops....

[Melinda Romanoff]

Thanks, narciso, I need to take the focus off my current flame out. Very, very interesting twist. Should have joined the Darwin club by himself from the sounds of it.

[cathyf]

I guess the reason schizophrenia is often confused with multip[le personalities is that the root words of schizophrenia mean "a split mind".

Right -- someone who has multiple personality disorder is "schizoid".

[Who can tell it?]

Wow, wouldn't that be a story.
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[nathan hale]

When I saw that list, of companies involved in the trades, I thought there is no way that
is accidental, the odds of such an event is
so high, the calculator would run out of places