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May 05, 2010

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bunkerbuster

If parents feel a specific brand of traditional education is so important, why wouldn't they just make their kids study that at home? American kids have plenty of free time in all but the most difficult private schools, and, even there, there is usually room for parents to adjust the load. Why the need to get other parents to go along with the idea? Of course, if your point is merely to push a particular political ideology, then it makes perfect sense that it would be important to you to persuade/compel other parents to go along for the ride...

Clarice

I have my old Harcourt Brace handbook I'll lend him for the task. It's still the finest English grammar book ever written.

Teacher's unions worst nightmare.

Charter schools; accountability by contract among teachers, parents and students.
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Punctuation punctured punctually.

Don't blame a teacher for the missing apostrophe, blame me.
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nathan hale

No, as usual Bunk, you have it completely backwards, the educational system is disseminating it's own ideology, unrelated
to actual scientific, amthematical, or literacy considerations

giveitarest

bunkerbuttster,
The problem as always is that the public schools funded with taxpayer money, is pushing a particular political ideology.

er, something like that.

Right, giveit; taxation without representation is tyranny.
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Thomas Collins

Bunkerbuster, your logic would apply to any curriculum. Why couldn't parents supply multicultural sensitivity education to their children at home if such parents thought their children were, at school, exposed to a disproportionate amount of basic language and math skills to the exclusion of we are the world posters and sensitivity to the diverse rainbow of cultures?

Billy Ayers

history, science, foreign languages, classic literature, mathematics and English composition, taught with structure and discipline
What kind of dead white male scientific rape/war curriculum is that? Where's the eco-study? White privilege self-criticism? Social justice studies? C'mon, we didn't burrow our way into the system for 40 years to just "educate" ya know.

boris

Billy Ayers bombed the thread.

Danube of Thought

Minus 11 at Raz.

Richard Aubrey

Irrespective of "results", it's a matter of individual liberty.

anduril

My wife and I spent large amounts of money and accepted a much lower style of life doing for our four children precisely what Charles Murray said he would do for his children. Not one moment of regret.

rse

clarice-

me too. Good old Warriner's .

Many parents have to do exactly what bb mentioned.

The Kitchen Table Math blog is a great resource for parents in this position.

We pay our taxes, teach our kids at home at night, and the district then takes credit for their excellent test scores as proof the curriculum and staff are working just fine.

bunkerbuster

Thomas asks: ``Why couldn't parents supply multicultural sensitivity education to their children at home.''

Multicultural sensitivity is a social skill that is only relevant in social settings, eg school or work. Teaching it in those locations is ideal.
That's not necessarily the case with the 1957 Alabama public school canon, or whatever it is that would make American conservatives salve their intellectual inferiority complex.
Besides, most schools willingly provide multicultural sensitivity in one form or another, as teachers tend to see up close the need for it. And I suspect most liberal parents would insist that they do provide that at home as well.
I wonder if conservatives are willing to admit they don't provide that at home, or if they do provide it at home, why the objection to providing it at school, given the appropriateness of teaching and discussing it in a social setting.

Clarice

Ever see the scores on ed majors? Ever see their curricula?

If you can't afford private school and can't get into a charter school or home school them, you damned better teach them after hours on your own.

Of course we could start a Take Back Our Schools movement, which demands a shift in curricula, a scraping of union rules against firing,better oversight of teachers and school systems and better results.

And I suppose I'll be excoriated for saying so but the IDEA program must be revised to remove from states the obligation to provide costly programs for children who really need institutional care.

boris

"I wonder if conservatives ..."

If liberals were willing to grant conservatives the same respect they lavish on "other cultures" you wouldn't be here acting like a jerk.

daddy

What makes a man order Schnapps?

I yi yi!

bunkerbuster

Clarice: I think more parental involvement is a much more realistic solution. If you look at what's taught, and how it's taught, in places like Japan and Singapore, you'll find nothing much different from what's done in the U.S.
The big difference is in the level of parental involvement. Too many American parents don't have the time or even see the need to devote enough time to participating in their children's education...

anduril

Ueber Liberal Thomas Franks actually has a good article in the WSJ today, on one of my favorite topics: Goldman Sachs' laughable "sophisticated investor" defense. Of course, there's also a major hole in one part of his reasoning:

By my count, Goldman Sachs executive Fabrice Tourre uttered the word "sophisticated" four times in his remarks last week to the Senate subcommittee investigating the investment bank, using the term each time to characterize the various hedge funds and banks who were Goldman's clients. Describing the collateralized debt obligations it was his job to assemble, Mr. Tourre wanted the world to know that these were not financial products for the common man. "To the average person, the utility of these products may not be obvious," he said. "But they permit sophisticated institutions to customize the exposures they wish to take. . . ."

This was in keeping, of course, with Goldman Sachs' own talking points, where "sophisticated" apparently means never having to say you're sorry. The losers in these deals were big boys, fully capable of looking after themselves.

Of course, as Mr. Tourre confessed in an email several years ago, there was sophisticated and then there was sophisticated. Goldman should not expect to profit much from deals with "sophisticated hedge funds," he wrote in 2006, because "(a) most of the time they will be on the same side of the trade as we will, and (b) they know exactly how things work. . . ."

But for now, let's take Goldman Sachs' argument at face value. When everyone is "sophisticated," everything is permitted. Wall Street players are consenting adults; what they choose to do among themselves is none of the public's business.

It is a brazen sophistry. We now know that the public has a great deal at stake in what Wall Street does, and it goes far beyond tattle and peccadilloes. Besides, as he admitted in a now- famous email, even the sophisticated Mr. Tourre didn't understand "all the implications of those monstrosities" he had put together.

But before laughing the whole thing off, let us remember all the other ideas that depend upon the same self-serving reasoning.

Go to WSJ to find out what he's wrong about.

boris

"American parents don't have the time or even see the need to devote enough time to participating in their children's education..."

That explains why lberals are so supportive of home schooling ...

boris

And parental school choice ...

boris

Yup ... reading writing and arithmatic ... parents responsibility.

Multi-cult sensitivity race norming and enviro worship ... that's the important stuff requiring large expensive institutions and $10000-$20000 taxpayer dollars per student per year.

Clarice

bb, In Japan and Singapore the teachers are smarter, better educated, held to stricter standards and the curricula is far different than ours, focusing on basics. Classes are six days a week and because they are not bothering with requirements for teaching the latest B.S., teachers there concentrate on actual academic subjects gong slowly enough so all children can learn.
OTOH there is a strong emphasis on educational achievement and people do not expect that inattentive, dysfunctional or absent parenting is something the educational system can overcome.

Blue

Boris... well said.

I am still upset that my 6 year old's school curriculum taught the meaning of the Recycle symbol before the plus and minus sign.

(Granted I had taught him at home... so he is totally bored at school and the teacher isn't capable of giving him work that would challenge him, but that's a different post.)

Rocco

Billy Ayers
1969 SDS Convention

providing privileges and material benefits . . . to white people, mystifying many and winning their allegiance . . . white skin privilege was . . . a real and effective bribe against consciousness and struggle . . . white people are mostly brainwashed. We lucky few will wake them up . . .

The Black guys all went to jail or were shot. The White guys got off because of their "White Skin Privilege"

Odd...I've only heard the name Billy used once, but that's what he called himself when he wrote Prairie Fire

We few, we happy few.

Little Johnie wasn't doing well in school, so his mother transferred him to the parochial school(catholic/parochial, how odd the combo) where he continued to fail everything but math. When asked why he was improving in math, Little Johnie replied that he saw what the nuns did with the man on the plus sign.
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anduril

from Powerline:

White House In A Panic?
from Power Line by John

That's what Politico says: "White House in P.R. 'panic' over spill." That's the Gulf oil spill, of course:

The ferocious oil leak in the Gulf of Mexico is threatening President Barack Obama's reputation for competence, just as surely as it endangers the Gulf ecosystem.

So White House aides are escalating their efforts to reassure Congress and the public in the face of a slow-motion catastrophe, even though it's not clear they can bring it under control anytime soon.

I'm not sure Obama has a reputation for competence to lose, but the White House probably doesn't need to worry. At Robert Gibbs's press briefing today, not a single reporter asked a question about the government's failure to have equipment available to carry out its "plan" for responding to major oil spills in the Gulf.

Tom R

In my state, every time the GOP tries to get charter school legislation passed, the Democrats kill it off. Even now the teachers union is airing misleading TV adds trying to portray the charter school movement as a plan by Obama and big government Democrats to take over our state school system.

daddy

Ohhhhhh,


Ughhhhhh,


Would you guys quit posting so loud!

Owwwwww,


centralcal

Woo Hoo - where's Janet?

Washington Post has put Newsweek on the auction block. ha ha ha ha! What will poor Meacham do now?

Danube of Thought

IBD/TIPP confirms what the NY Times told us yesterday, namely that 51 + 9 = 60:

"Editorial pages may rage against the Arizona immigration law, but a solid majority of Americans support it, an IBD/TIPP poll found. Sixty percent back the law, with 40% strongly favoring it, according to preliminary results. Meanwhile, 30% oppose it, with 20% strongly disapproving it."

QED

 centralcal

From Ben Smith at Politico:

The losses at NEWSWEEK in 2007-2009 are a matter of record. Despite heroic efforts on the part of NEWSWEEK's management and staff, we expect it to still lose money in 2010. We are exploring all options to fix that problem. NEWSWEEK is a lively, important magazine and website, and in the current climate, it might be a better fit elsewhere.

It might be a better fit elsewhere? LMAO!

Clarice

Given te distored reporting about the law, that is something.

Or, is it just proof that many Americans now automatically mentally insert the word "not" in front of all media reports.

Rich Berger

Who knew that liberty was an end in itself?

rse

LUN is a report released last week by Fordham: Charter School Autonomy: A Half- Broken Promise. One of the points it makes is that few charters are successful at getting around a district's requirements for certified teachers. Ed degrees still required.

Private schools can also be subject to this requirement in given states. In Georgia, for example, to have a chance for the Hope Scholarship for college at a state school, your private school must be accredited.

Accreditation then requires mostly certified teachers.

Singapore math is radically different from most US elementary math curricula and "integrated" middle and high school math curricula in the US are nothing like how it is taught elsewhere in the world.

If someone needs the math information especially ask and I'll get you the necessary refutation with cites in short order

rse

LUN is a report released last week by Fordham: Charter School Autonomy: A Half- Broken Promise. One of the points it makes is that few charters are successful at getting around a district's requirements for certified teachers. Ed degrees still required.

Private schools can also be subject to this requirement in given states. In Georgia, for example, to have a chance for the Hope Scholarship for college at a state school, your private school must be accredited.

Accreditation then requires mostly certified teachers.

Singapore math is radically different from most US elementary math curricula and "integrated" middle and high school math curricula in the US are nothing like how it is taught elsewhere in the world.

If someone needs the math information especially ask and I'll get you the necessary refutation with cites in short order

rse

Sorry.

I try not to be that repetitive.

Clarice

rse, I'd love to know more about the Singapore math program as my grand daughter's school just adopted it.

And that's the unions' bugaboo.

rse, my understanding in LA is that the charter schools have more certified applicants than they can handle. The good teachers prefer accountability.
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tommy mc donnell

in the beloved 1960's open addmissions was instituted in teachers colleges in the united states. college students in teachers colleges were taking remedial reading courses. pass-fail courses were institued. all these were liberal reforms. the real purpose was to undermine the quality of the united states educational system.it seems to have succeeded better than they ever taught. the solution is to get your own school system; charter schools, private schools, whatever. just get your children away and keep them away from the left-wing propaganda mills that the public schools have become. if you keep your smart kids out of their grasp, the liberals schools will collaspe under the weight of their own incompetence. that goes for the colleges too.

People?  Mere humans are involved?

anduril, emblematic of this administration, and progressives in general, is the ignoring of an ongoing human catastrophe in Tennessee, and agonizing impotently over the political implications of an environmental disaster. The contrasts, both of them, with Katrina, are embarrassing.
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rse

clarice- you will be so pleased. I have taught it to my own children from 1st - 8th.

Lots of word problems from the beginning, bar graphs that allow you to rally visualize ratios and see fractions that way (instaed of pizza).

They move so much faster they teach addition and subtraction and immediately go into 2 and 3 digits with regrouping.

When I first started with Singapore math, it was still being run off an answering machine in someone's home.

If "certified" simply means an ed degree and passing Praxis 2 (8th-10th grade math and reading skills at best) as it does in many states, that's cold comfort when you are not free to hire the Swarthmore English major or Dartmouth math or physics major.

Massachusetts for example has much higher thresholds to be certified. Do not know California at the K-12 level beyond its math Standards and that controversy.

Clarice

When my son was in el school they used Spanish math books from Argentina and like this program, they used about 5 different ways to explain each concepts so that kids who learned better by word problems ,i .e., and those who learned visually ll had a means to understand each concept.

daddy

Apologies for all the comments I have made in the past about the AGW scientists. They were all honest and above board about their science and completely transparent and truthful in their research.

I had previously degraded them, but now know better having read the first 150 pages of Evolution High Priest Richard Dawkin's thrilling new science book "The Greatest Show On Earth."

From page 138:

"One of the nice things about Science is that it is a public activity. Scientists publish their methods as well as their conclusions, which means that anybody else, anywhere in the world, can repeat their work. If they don't get the same results, we want to know the reason why."

So all that shit about 'Hide the decline', and 'Where the hell is global warming because I'm freezing my ass off in Boulder', and "None of the computer data matches---none of it, it's all horseshit', and "some grad student in Birkenstocks in Berkeley sez he heard from a guy who heard from another guy that the Himalayan Glaciers will melt in 20 years so put it in the IPCC report" etc, etc---All that is B.S

Richard Dawkin's, Evolutions high priest, is smarter than us, and when he tells us Scientists transparently post their data for all the world to see, we are supposed to absolutely accept it as Gospel since he says that's how Scientists over in England and everywhere else do it. Therefore, Mann or Jone's, or whatever jack-ass world class Climate Expert Professor at East Anglia was lying to us and hiding the stuff from Freedom of Information Inquiries and doing illegitimate shenanigans like hiding the data under Betty Curry's bed in Georgetown along with Monica's soiled underwear and cigars---all that stuff actually didn't happen and was completely transparent and above board in Richard Dawkin's view. Scientists are principled sum uv beeches and would never do scams like Piltdown Man or AGW or anything else---so all you deluded selfish genes shut up and take it like a Social Insect. Plus he's married to ">http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Leela"> Dr Who's 3rd Squeeze, from Incarnation 4 in I think Season 11, so he speaks from authority!)

RightKlik

Results don't matter. How you feel is what counts.

Danube of Thought

"Too many American parents don't have the time or even see the need to devote enough time to participating in their children's education..."

Too many American parents are single. Cf. Singapore and Japan.

Danube of Thought

Sayonara to the Hon. David Obey. Hardcore leftist sees writing on wall.

Oh my God, when will the oceans rise?

Well, daddy, when you consider that Dawkins is speaking from Hell, I'd say he has a point about the warming alarmists.
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DrJ

Scientists publish their methods as well as their conclusions, which means that anybody else, anywhere in the world, can repeat their work.

This is true for small science, but much more difficult when big science is being done. AGW definitely is big science, what with all the data and complicated codes (if one can even get those).

Beat a tribal drum.

As you probably know, DrJ, much of the stuff being most assiduously hidden in climate science is small science. It should be easily replicable, a lot of it. One critical piece is Lonnie Thompson's ice core records from a lot of heroically difficult to access places. His data is not archived such that it can be evaluated. A shame on all Buckeyes who tolerate it.
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daddy

DrJ,

Excellent point.

Great respect for you Sir, and for the sentiment that Dawkin's pretends exists in the scientific community, but not for what I observe in the actuality of the AGW debate. Your point is excellent, and I was simply making an overall statement. Dawkin's should go ape-shit over the blasphemy AGW has done towards the Scientific Community yet from him I hear nothing but that everything is hunky dory.

That's why I really loved Kim's link last month to ">http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2010/03/the-case-against-the-hockey-stick/"> Matt Ridley's review of the guy writing about the "Hockey Stick Hoax." Ridley, a very good writer and ">http://www.amazon.com/Genome-Matt-Ridley/dp/0060932902"> excellent Evolutionist with Dawkin's previous backing, must I would think be taking massive crap behind the scenes for demolishing the miserable stuff that passes for science in AGW.


My ears and eyes are alert to see if anyone from the in-crowd has the balls to take Ridley on publicly. Ridley seems to have a big megaphone, friends in high places, plus guts. Stay tuned.

sbw

>> Despite heroic efforts on the part of NEWSWEEK's management and staff,

[to do what?]

>> we expect it to still lose money in 2010. We are exploring all options

[except, you know, practicing journalism]

>> to fix that problem.

Clarice

Perhaps as "We're all Socialists now" under Newsweek's take of it, the taxpayers should buy this P.O.S. so it can stay in business.

centralcal

Rush said he was getting emails telling him to buy Newsweak (intentionally misspelled).

Jon Meacham (not sure if he uses the H in his first name) says he wants to buy it if he can get investors.

Washington Post is trying to outdo Arianna at the HuffPo; National Journal is trying to out lefty the Politico - lordy, these people are hysterical! I'm sure not being radical leftist enough is the root of their problems. ::snort::

centralcal

Oh, and I left out merger talks supposedly going on between 3rd place network CBS News and 4th place cable news CNN.

Yep, a merger should really improve their ratings.

bunkerbuster

Dot notes: ``Too many American parents are single. Cf. Singapore and Japan.''

True. More important, perhaps, too many American parents both work, leaving no one with the time necessary to help children with schoolwork.

motionview

Scientists publish their methods as well as their conclusions, which means that anybody else, anywhere in the world, can repeat their work.
The real climategate scandal was documented in HARRY_README.TXT, a programmer's notes as he tried to repeat their own work. Their OWN work. They had thrown out the original data and were (and are to this day) unable to recreate their published graphs.

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