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May 08, 2010

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Danube of Thought

What a mess everything has become.

armadillo

We have a Zero Sum President, why would we expect students like Jessica Cortez to understand "melting pot" principles?

Pops

Governors ad pretty much skewers the illegal immigrants are great to get my coffee and mow my yard crowd.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/05/07/brutal-arizona-governors-ad-hammers-obama-on-immigration/

Pops

Cinco De Mayo is not a major Mexican holiday. It was pushed by I believe Corona beer to sell more alcohol. Why schools are getting behind an alcohol promotion shows us who exactly needs to be fired.

Danube of Thought

Minus 14 at Raz today.

What a schmuck.

Obama says 'Adios' like a gringo.
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anduril

Mark Steyn has a good column over at NRO, and I'm proud to have him on my side:

Faisal Shahzad, Subprime Terrorist?

Given the demographic advance of Islam in Europe and the de jure advance of sharia in Europe (the Geert Wilders blasphemy trial) and de facto in America (Comedy Central’s and Yale University Press’s submission to Islamic proscriptions on representations of Mohammed), you wonder why excitable types like Faisal Shahzad are so eager to jump the gun. The Islamization of the West proceeds apace; why draw attention to it and risk a backlash?

Because the reactions of Bloomberg & Co. are a useful glimpse into the decayed and corroded heart of a civilization. One day the bomb will explode. Dozens dead? Hundreds? Thousands? Would we then restrict immigration from certain parts of the world? Or at least subject them to extra roadblocks on the fast-track to citizenship?

What do you think?

I see, as part of the new, culturally sensitive warmongering, that the NATO commander in Afghanistan is considering giving out awards to soldiers for “courageous restraint.” Maybe we could hand them out at home, too. Hopefully not posthumously.

STEYN MUST BE A F**KIN' LUNATIC!!

Danube of Thought

If you think Steyn is advocating keeping all Muslims out of the US, you are, well, nuts.

Captain Hate

Obama says 'Adios' like a gringo.

He acts like more of an idiot than usual, which is really saying something, when he puts on one of his fake accents. If GWB did something remotely akin to that he'd be skewered mercilessly by the MFM; when Toonces does it, *crickets*. Must be great to be "post-racial".

Cinco De Mayo is not a major Mexican holiday. It was pushed by I believe Corona beer to sell more alcohol.

I think Anheiser Busch had their grubby hands in on it (they might be the US distributer of Corona; I'm not interested enough in anything having to do with that produxer of flavored Clydesdale urine to look it up); every instance of dumbing down popular culture into severe idiocy has a Budweiser link.

anduril

I admit I haven't followed this case, but this Big Government article sparked my curiosity: Judge's Ruling a Victory for Hutaree and Free Speech. It strikes me as a huge slap in the face to the Gov--and by a Clinton judge.

sears

£1.5bn

anduril

Quite a rant here, but I think he's got a point: House Prices Are Falling Again.

anduril

Theodore Dalrymple has a thought provoking essay at City Journal: Know Thyself: Rather than pointing fingers, Greek citizens should look in the mirror.

His point is, in a big picture way, similar to that made by the author of the housing rant:

The crime of that substantial proportion of the Greek population was to accept the bribe that the politicians offered; they were only too prepared to live well at someone else’s expense. The thieves were not principally the politicians, but the demonstrators.

Such popular dishonesty is by no means confined to Greece. In varying degrees, most countries in the West have displayed it, Britain above all. It is perhaps an inherent problem wherever the universal franchise is unaccompanied by widespread virtues such as honesty, self-control, providence, prudence, and self-respect. Greece is therefore a cradle not only of democracy, but of democratic corruption.

The Greek demonstrators did not understand, or did not want to understand, that if there were justice in the world, many people, including themselves, would be worse rather than better off, and that a reduction in their salaries and perquisites was not only economically necessary but just. They had never really earned their wages in the first place; politicians borrowed the money and then dispensed largesse, like monarchs throwing coins to the multitudes.

It is an obvious but often forgotten lesson of economics: what cannot continue will not continue.

nathan hale

They tried Steyn in Canada, in the Human Rights commission, imputing the sentiment you are attributing to him.

It's not the largest of holidays, but the battle of Chapultepec against the French,was a Bfd, as our "esteemed" vice president would say. Yeah we really dodged a bullet there (sarc)

nathan hale

These are the same Athenians who put Socrates
to death for asking inconvenient questions, not much has changed in 2400 years.

Clarice

Ms Casillas and people like her are the reason why more Americans support the Arizona law than oppose it.

Imagine if you were in Mexico on a real national holiday there, insisting folks take down their flags and signs of national pride so as not to offend your feelings.

OTOH if one wanted to demonstrate how stupid the administrators of so many public schools in America are, here's your example.

He could have reminded the protesting Mexican-Americans that this is the US and not Mexico and while many of the school community joined those who chose to celebrate their event, they are not allowed to deny Americans the right of national pride. In fact, he could have made it a "teaching moment" as O Man is wont to say--by comparing the treatment Mexico gives to illegal aliens to what we have done.

anduril

They tried Steyn in Canada, in the Human Rights commission, imputing the sentiment you are attributing to him.

Yes, I knowm, Nate. I think they were right in imputing the sentiment--he was simply careful with his wording.

Pofarmer

"Morgan Hill is too small of a community to start any racial wars. This is just bringing it out a little bit more."

A little bit more? In other words, it's already started. Who started it?

ignatz

It's disrespectful to do it on Cinco de Mayo.

What started out as day for eating rice and beans has become in far too many places an aggressive assertion of cultural dominance, PC guilt mongering and occasionally naked assertions of Mexico's alleged claims to the US southwest.

As Irish-Americans mostly just want to drink green beer and dress up like leprechauns on St Patty's Day no one cares.
If some of them and inferentially Ireland itself were to use it to claim the NE is part of Eire and send waves of illegal immigrants here speaking nothing but Gaelic and popping out millions of anchor babies and set up an organization called La Raza of Redheads and Freckles then it takes on a different and less innocent significance.

Danube of Thought

Cinco de Mayo commemorates the Battle of Puebla in 1862.

The Battle of Chapultepec was fought between the US Marines and Mexican soldiers in 1847. The red stripe down the side of the trousers of all Marines E-3 and above commemorates the blood shed at Chapultepec.

Clarice

Insty cites to another case where students are being investigated for having burned a Mexican flag left lying about, Of course, if they'd burned an American flag--no problem.

Personally, I'd make any such celebrations after school events, open only to those who cared.

nathan hale

Steyn is against dhimmification, which is quite a different thing. Yes, I am allowed
a 404 every once in a while, no

Danube of Thought

Steyn was tried in Canada for "flagrant Islamophobia" on the basis of an excerpt from his book, America Alone. Neither in the excerpt or anywhere else in the book did he advocate the exclusion of all Muslims from the US, nor did the Canadian tribunal impute that view to him.

Write him and ask him if he advocates the exclusion of all Muslims from the US.

Danube of Thought

IBD sees 63 Dem house seats up for grabs.

MarkO

It is not unusual for martinet school administrators to push students around, using the 10 day legal window to mete out arbitrary discipline. Due process in high school is a concept not an experience.

A type of Miranda warning should be read to anyone who wishes to engage in serious debate or wear clothing that suggests a different point of view: you have the right to remain silent.

Does it not feel odd that the "liberal" on the extreme left are so determined to limit free speech? Where are the real '60's liberals? There seems to be considerably more pressure now to censor, control, limit, and otherwise suppress actually diverse points of view. I prefer to have the right to offend and be offended.

Of course, if the tee-shirts had said "Fuck Arizona," there would have been no suspension. Res Judicata.

Clarice

I think we probably are creating a generation of kids opposed to PC.

Neo
Cinco de Mayo (Spanish for "fifth of May") is a holiday held on May 5 that commemorates the Mexican army's unlikely victory over French forces at the Battle of Puebla on May 5, 1862, under the leadership of General Ignacio Zaragoza Seguín. It is celebrated primarily in the state of Puebla and in the United States. While Cinco de Mayo sees limited significance and celebration nationwide in Mexico, the date is observed nationwide in the United States and other locations around the world as a celebration of Mexican heritage and pride. Cinco de Mayo is not Mexico's Independence Day, the most important national patriotic holiday in Mexico.
So they are celebrating the "unlikely" victory of the Mexican army over the ("cheese eating surrender monkeys") French. Since most schools won't celebrate any US military activity, they have to slide "military appreciation" in there some how.
MarkO

Clarice, excellent point.

nathan hale

Well to be fair, Santa Ana's record, made them feel very inadequate after a time, militarily speaking. They exiled him to Cuba, for a time, but he kept coming back like a bad penny

Neo

What about the self-esteem of the ("cheese eating surrender monkeys") French students.

Will there be a "racial war" when they find out that they are forced to participate in a celebration of a Mexican military victory over their ancestors ? What about the French Muslim students ?

Neo

If we hear "Dieu est grand" on the next Cinco de Mayo, we'll know the "racial war" has begun.

mockmook
    Teresa Casillas, parent of two Live Oak students, said the American-flag wearing students were yelling "We live in America!"

Isn't it likely they were responding to critics, i.e., this wasn't a spontaneous outburst?

BTW, can't the students who were sent home sue the school for failure to provide an education (violation of equal protection)?

If I were them, I would organize as many students as I could to come to school every day in patriotic t-shirts.

ignatz

I refuse to be goaded by TM into another birther thread so I'll link here this excellent exposition of the impending debt conundrum the world is facing.
It's long and frightening but hard to argue against.

But wait! If you act now I'll double the offer with this insightful article predicting a further decline in housing prices to finally meet the historical trendline.

 And it's a high crime or misdemeanor.

Oh, c'mon, Ignatz, we're all birthers now. Say it loud and say it proud. It's not the birthplace, it's the cover-up.
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anduril

Steyn is against dhimmification...

So am I, and dhimmification, and Steyn recognizes, as do I, that dhimmification starts with immigration. Did you actually read what Steyn is saying today? I guess I need to use "bold" type:

Given the demographic advance of Islam in Europe and the de jure advance of sharia in Europe (the Geert Wilders blasphemy trial) and de facto in America (Comedy Central’s and Yale University Press’s submission to Islamic proscriptions on representations of Mohammed), you wonder why excitable types like Faisal Shahzad are so eager to jump the gun. The Islamization of the West proceeds apace; why draw attention to it and risk a backlash?

Because the reactions of Bloomberg & Co. are a useful glimpse into the decayed and corroded heart of a civilization. One day the bomb will explode. Dozens dead? Hundreds? Thousands? Would we then restrict immigration from certain parts of the world? Or at least subject them to extra roadblocks on the fast-track to citizenship?

Not once does Steyn use the word "dhimmification," but he does use equivalent phrases. When he talks about:

the advance of Sharia

the Islamization of the West

the reaction of Bloomberg and Co.

he's referring to submission to Islamic proscriptions, often through self censorship under implied threats, which is what dhimmification is all about. This only happens when the Muslim population reaches a certain critical mass at which Muslims are able to demand and obtain submission to Islamic proscriptions, i.e., dhimmification. And that is why re refers to the demographic advance of Islam: demographic advance--both by way of immigration and reproduction--is the force that drives dhimmification. Even Steyn, to retain his credentials as a mainstream conservative--not one of those crazy ones--feels constrained to trim his jib. But the Islamists in Canada correctly understood his sentiment.

JM Hanes

".....because it could incite a confrontation on Cinco de Mayo."

Where have we heard this before? Hispanic students should logically resent being classed as the same sort of potentially violent confrontational threat that Muslim extremists represent to those insensitive enough to reproduce an image of Mohammed. The Mexican flag bearers, however, do not have to contemplate that uncomfortable equivalence, because in an emblematic, obscurantist, academic twist, the American flag wearers are singled out as responsible for both the incitement and the threat rolled into one. This kind of conflation manifests itself in a far more disturbing legal as the distinction between violent speech and violence itself is rapidly eroding.

Ironically, there's hardly anything more fundamentally apple pie than confrontation. It's not just that our very 1st Amendment protects the freedom of both individuals and the press to confront, or insult, whomever we please. Our entire legal system is adversarial. Prosecutors square off with Defenders; defendants have the right to confront their accusers. Our entire political system is adversarial and competitive. So are the sports that we watch every single day. So is the internet.

The contrast with St. Patrick's Day is telling. Back when I was in school, no one would have been sent home for wearing orange, and I doubt that has changed. Good natured scuffles or the occasional barroom brawl, celebrating that occasion remain largely unremarkable today. The symbolism of the American flag would not be controversial here, if the symbolism of Cinco de Mayo marches weren't equally profound. In the new, bizarre, PC America, wearing the American flag is separatist symbolism, while deference to the Mexican colors symbolizes a more perfect union.

anduril

Don't waste your time reading the housing link that Ignatz thinks is so "insightful": read mine instead.

anduril

Anyone know the Spanish for "dhimmification"? Can I just shout "Yo soy dhimmi!" or is there some other phrase I'll need to learn?

nathan hale

No, the point is as Rushdie, Van Gogh, Mahfouz,Westergaard, most recently by the example of Jihad Jane, and the other gal, have illustrated, they will kill you if you do anything that is perceived as an insult. The various mobs operated the same way, to quote Alinsky, first the'power of persuasion, but ultimately the 'persuasion of power' or as the old chestnut goes 'powerflows from the barrel of a gun'

centralcal

Kim said:

"Oh, c'mon, Ignatz, we're all birthers now. Say it loud and say it proud. It's not the birthplace, it's the cover-up."

I couldn't agree more!

Janet

Lo siento - I'm sorry

anduril

Dalrymple (see above - which rse also posted on another thread) gives in his conclusion a short version of what Mauldin (linked by Ignatz) is saying:

It is an obvious but often forgotten lesson of economics: what cannot continue will not continue.

As Dalrymple and Mauldin are both saying, these levels of indebtedness cannot continue, and so they won't. Something will have to give, and very likely it will be the welfare state. However, that may not happen without considerable political turmoil.

JM Hanes

anduril:

"Mark Steyn has a good column over at NRO, and I'm proud to have him on my side"

Only when you're "imputing the sentiment" you claim as your own to him, and casting Steyn, of all people, as carefully PC.

It must be Narcissists Day.

Captain Hate

Does it not feel odd that the "liberal" on the extreme left are so determined to limit free speech? Where are the real '60's liberals?

First question: Not at all, they've always been against free speech. Second question: Like who, Ayers?

Janet

Ms Cortez uses the buzzword "disrespect". A sign of a true entitled victim...."whoe is me, I've been disrespected."

What a mess everything has become.

DoT is exactly right. Years of hyphenated American nonsense has led us here... the special "Hyphenated American" month, PBS specials, awards shows, studies at college, etc. I am sick of it all.

anduril

I suppose "lo siento" could be a sort of mantra, repeated endlessly, or used to introduce almost any sentence, as in "lo siento mucho que los estados unidos no son tan pobres como mexico," or something like that. and then i could apologize for my spanish.

nathan hale

It's not in the Larousse dictionary, but the fact that they fought for 350 years give or
take against it, indicates it's a condition not to be desired

Janet

...or like Ignatz pointed out at 10:43. Maybe myself and others need to embrace this idea. When is German-American month? White history month? Heterosexual month? Christian month? Woman month?(Is that all the categories?... nationality, race, sexual orientation, religion, gender)
I want a flag for each of these special months. If I see any other flag, I will feel disrespected and go on 60 Minutes....where I will torture the nation with my whining.

bgates

if four white kids wearing American flag t-shirts had picked up a Mexican flag

then there would have been at least one more young man wearing an American flag t-shirt besides Galli, Maciel, Dariano and Carvalho. Or does patriotism for this country count as "acting white"?

nathan hale

And this is so wrong it defies imagination, in the LUN. I don't know who is stupider, Holder for proposing or Merkel for accepting

centralcal

Oh, crud, have you seen what Drudge is headlining?

bgates - no kidding. Plus, one of the kids is of Mexican descent (Maciel), one of Azorean (Portugese) descent (Carvalho), two of what might be Italian descent (Galli, Dariano). Hey, that sounds like several of my own granchildren's ethnic backgrounds!

Danube of Thought

Even Steyn, to retain his credentials as a mainstream conservative--not one of those crazy ones--feels constrained to trim his jib. But the Islamists in Canada correctly understood his sentiment.

I see that you have no problem in discerning Steyn's undisclosed motives. What keen insight...

You do not say what sentiment the Canadian Islamists correctly understood, but if you are implying that Steyn advocated (as you acknowledge you yourself do) denying all Muslims entry to the United States (or Canada), your argument can't withstand the slightest scrutiny.

nathan hale

Since this seems to be the thread where all the stupid ideas seem to come to light, in the LUN

scott

I have decoded by SOB'ing blanduril's posts at 33.3 hz a misogyny that rivals sharia. It's sort of like that backwards masking.

ignatz

--Oh, c'mon, Ignatz, we're all birthers now. Say it loud and say it proud. It's not the birthplace, it's the cover-up.--

I'm not a birther because I can't conceive of a HI birth certificate saying he was born anywhere other than HI. And since the "coverup" appears to be entirely legal hard to see how it's anything other than possibly embarrassing to him.
My only interest is in whether a person born of a foreign national is a natural born citizen. I suspect it's now one of those cases that would be decided incorrectly based on erroneous but longstanding precedent.
A slight side issue is how he traveled to Pakistan.

ignatz

--Don't waste your time reading the housing link that Ignatz thinks is so "insightful": read mine instead.--

Heh. How typical that you cannot see the profound stupidity of your link and the stupendous insight of mine.

anduril

Actually I didn't read either of them.

daddy

So now even Anduril doesn't think the links Anduril posts are worth reading.

Good job JOMer's---you're making headway!

anduril

Well, I have a confession to make--in my heart of hearts I had to admit Ignatz's link was the better. It was sheer spite that made me lash out like that. Nevertheless, Ignatz's posts would definitely benefit from lengthy teaser quotes.

giveitarest

WoW, It almost (I said almost) seems like anduril may have a sense of humor

anduril

Distinctively self deprecatory, it's just that sometimes I have to give it a rest.

Not time to buy yet, huh?

That was a good one, a.
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Melinda Romanoff
centralcal

Very interesting Mel. The article (Sun Times) says Whitaker is such a close pal he even joined in the Obama Hawaii vacation.

Manuel Transmission

frau,
When you get up this way, let us know. I am traveling frequently as usual, but can always find time if I'm in the neighborhood. If you have lost our contact info, Clarice has my e-mail.

ignatz

--Why didn't it?--

DrJ,

According to this story there was a problem with a cement seal. It also says ignition occurred on the rig.
Preliminary and therfore suspect of course.

DrJ

Ignatz,

That's helpful. So the explosion was on the rig itself -- that makes sense. There you have all of the components you need for an explosion. Deeper down, simply, you do not.

Melinda Romanoff

Mark Levin interviewed someone who was on the rig when it blew, said it was a gas surge up the pipe and settled on the deck. Then Kablooie. I've been looking for it for a while, someone had the transcript up on their site.

and I've forgotten who.

Manuel Transmission

Mel,

Here is the LUN from yesterday on the guy who survived the blast. Sounds credible.

Melinda Romanoff

Yep, bottom of that post, MT, was the link to RigZone, a fascinating little site all of its own.

And precisely where I read it the first time.

Thank you.

Are you bring plenty of cab money? I have made a small list from a helpful reminder.

Any culinary requests? I'm a bit more current in that regard, especially where the best Eggs Benedict might be found. I'll e-mail. As you might imagine, I've been busy.

Janet

LUN a video of a professor calling for Mexican revolution in the US.

PaulV

Volume of gas rising from 5000 feet would increase about 150 fold. About 2200 psi if I remember HS physics.

Janet the spelling bee failure

"whoe is me, I've...

**woe**
Why in the world did I spell that "whoe"? How embarrassing. Urban dictionary says whoe is slang for whore...good Lord.

Manuel Transmission

Thanks Mel, I posted a note a few days ago, but you were probably buried, considering. What I mentioned was that some friends from Cowlumbus were hot on some guy named Bayless and his trendy Mex joints. Of course this was just before your tales of Chi-town escapades with Bambi and all.

Love the synchronicities...

Melinda Romanoff

PaulV-

Better than that, because it was pushing a mile long pie full of mud.

MT-

I'll e-mail in the AM.

Melinda Romanoff

pie=pipe

Oops.

matt

what really pisses me off is that some of our finest military is Latino. Either you get it you don't. Why is it that there is such a divide between those who get it and those who don't?

Pofarmer

Volume of gas rising from 5000 feet would increase about 150 fold. About 2200 psi if I remember HS physics.

Except this is coming from an additional 18000 feet. Something like 14,000 psi, is what I've seen.

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