Subcontracting The War On The AfPak Border

The NY Times continues to peck at the most transparent Administration in history:

U.S. Is Still Using Private Spy Ring, Despite Doubts
By MARK MAZZETTI

WASHINGTON — Top military officials have continued to rely on a secret network of private spies who have produced hundreds of reports from deep inside Afghanistan and Pakistan, according to American officials and businessmen, despite concerns among some in the military about the legality of the operation.

Earlier this year, government officials admitted that the military had sent a group of former Central Intelligence Agency officers and retired Special Operations troops into the region to collect information — some of which was used to track and kill people suspected of being militants. Many portrayed it as a rogue operation that had been hastily shut down once an investigation began.

But interviews with more than a dozen current and former government officials and businessmen, and an examination of government documents, tell a different a story. Not only are the networks still operating, their detailed reports on subjects like the workings of the Taliban leadership in Pakistan and the movements of enemy fighters in southern Afghanistan are also submitted almost daily to top commanders and have become an important source of intelligence.

The American military is largely prohibited from operating inside Pakistan. And under Pentagon rules, the army is not allowed to hire contractors for spying. 

Military officials said that when Gen. David H. Petraeus, the top commander in the region, signed off on the operation in January 2009, there were prohibitions against intelligence gathering, including hiring agents to provide information about enemy positions in Pakistan. The contractors were supposed to provide only broad information about the political and tribal dynamics in the region, and information that could be used for “force protection,” they said.

Fortunately it is neither George Bush nor Richard Nixon running a secret war and violating an ally's border.

And the larger issue is that the program does provide valuable intelligence.

This sounds like the sort of program that Candidate Hope and Change would have railed against in 2007.  I guess we will find out how his energized base likes it now.

Comments

[Danube of Thought]

As the modern, state-of-the-art facility at Guantanamo Bay keeps humming along...

[We disagreed on this, we did, but I couldn't bear to argue with him about it.]

Cantering down a dark defile.
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[Clarice]

This is almost as much fun as watching your teenager who was always so strongly for every welfare program when he gets his first paycheck and sees the deductions for taxes.

[narciso]

The Times, meanwhile is trying to rationalize
the poor little rich kid from Rawalpindi who
'expressed himself' in Times Square, two weeks
past

[JorgXMcKie]

"we will find out how his energized base likes it now." Well, they'd have to get off their knees long enough to notice, wouldn't they?

[Danube of Thought]

Beginning in January I suppose the GOP house will hold a few hearings.

Will the left demand war crimes trials?

[Danube of Thought]

I would guess that a few of these guys are the sources of the rumor that the Paks have Mullah Omar in custody and are keeping him to themselves as a bargaining chip when the negotiations with the Taliban begin.

[Clarice]

I read yesterday,DoT that 2000 celebs have aready signed a petition accusing him of war crimes or something.

[JM Hanes]

"Military officials said that when Gen. David H. Petraeus, the top commander in the region, signed off on the operation in January 2009, there were prohibitions against intelligence gathering, including hiring agents to provide information about enemy positions in Pakistan."

Un-fucking-believable.

[Clarice]

Isn't it though. I hope everyone's ignoring it.

[pops]

By the way, Barack Obama himself admitted his Hawaian birth was false:

In March 2008, on the anniversary of the Bloody Sunday march in Selma, Ala., Barack Obama claimed his parents united as a direct result of the Selma movement: QUOTE: “There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Ala., because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born.”

Obama's Hawaiain records claim he was born in 1961, but the Selma march took place in 1965.

Thus his parents would have had to have him after 1965, unless you want to tell us Baracks just a pitiful liar.

[JM Hanes]

DoT:

If Mullah Omar is actually in custody, get ready for your October surprise.

[JM Hanes]

It just gives new meaning to the term congenital liar, pops.

[Gmax]

Pops

Exactly what is so distinguishing about this little tale to make it different that the thousands of other mendacities? No one under $250,000 sees much difference I can assure you.

[Clarice]

Why,jmh? You think videos of him eating krispy kremes with Holder are going to turn the tide? Maybe they'll try for the nanny vote by having the graceful MO stomp on the set, grab the doughnuts and replace them with arugula salad from the WH garden..

[narciso]

Mullah Omar's, the old man in those parts, yes he was 'cool back then' but much like
the writeup in Newsweek, for Baradar, a year
ago, they want a new act. Moreau and Yousafsai
say Baradar didn't have enough street cred with the young lads anymore, and who are we
to challenge that point of view (sarc) It does
seem like these folks are as Glenn REynolds puts it, 'not antiwar but (actively) on the
other side'

[narciso]

Just goes to show you, hoe clueless he is, he could have cited the Freedom Riders, and the
fact that they were not defeated, despite their many obstacles, which were happening right around the time of the Bay of Pigs invasion, showing Kennedy's disdain for both causes

[Danube of Thought]

Imagine, if you will, the Bush administration declaring, at the height of the Katrina devastation, that its plan of action consisted of "keeping our boot on the neck" of Mayor Ray Nagin.

[matt]

If you recall, the General in charge of intelligence blasted all of the intelligence agencies active at the time @ 6-8 months ago.

These "atmospherics" sound like the best data we are getting at present. Commanders need this.

The use of contractors seems to be a political move more than anything else to avoid hurting the sensibilities of the Pakistanis and the CIA.

However, what we are seeing is growing into a conflation of the Phoenix Program and Cambodia in the eyes of the Left.

They are getting the job done, but is this any way to run a railroad? I feel like we're living in Byzantium.

[narciso]

It's the world of "Fringe" complete with zeppelins. The administration upgrades terrorists practically to full citizen status, whereas the people who hunt them have to operate like outlaws. Flynn, Thor, Stone's (David not Oliver)dark musings come to light

[JM Hanes]

Speaking of new meaning, we may be looking at a T-wave inversion here:

PHOENIX -- Arizona's governor enlisted the help of former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin Saturday to defend a new law cracking down on illegal immigration, as calls spread for an economic boycott of the state.

Jan Brewer and Palin blamed President Barack Obama for the state law, saying the measure is Arizona's attempt to enforce immigration laws because the federal government won't do it.

"It's time for Americans across this great country to stand up and say, 'We're all Arizonans now,"' Palin said. "And in clear unison we say, 'Mr. President: Do your job. Secure our border.'"

It seems like just yesterday that Republicans played the daddy role to Democratic moms. Well, we're not your Daddy Party anymore! If you want patronizing, you have to look to your left.

Also courtesy of the same article, it seems that:

The [Arizona] immigration law takes effect July 29 unless blocked by pending court challenges.

Will we be seeing a sudden flip on standing issues too?

[Clarice]

DoT. you're in fine form today.

[Jane says obamasucks]

Pinhao

The latest on You Too. At some point there will be pictures - Caro promises.

[Jane says obamasucks]

"keeping our boot on the neck" of Mayor Ray Nagin.

Since he was curled up naked in the fetal position that would have been a bit, uncomfortable.

[hit and run]

Clarice:
I read yesterday,DoT that 2000 celebs have aready signed a petition accusing him of war crimes or something.

And they do so after Obama's "I do think at a certain point you've made enough money".

Oh, yes...

I Question The Timing!

[narciso]

As Coulter has said, the only war they're in favor of, is the war we're not in, or words to that effect. 'repolarization' that's the best restatement of the matter, also a sign
that "pigs can fly" even at the Atlantic, in the LUN

[Danube of Thought]

It appears that the word "celebrities" may be a bit of a stretch:

Among the signatories are linguist Noam Chomsky, "L.A. Confidential" actor James Cromwell, actor Mark Ruffalo and prominent Bush-era anti-war protestor Cindy Sheehan. By midday Thursday there were 1,804 signatures.

[Thomas Collins]

Magic haven't yet reached into their bag of tricks. Boston up 29-14 early in the second quarter.

[narciso]

Not Zefram Cochrane, I'm crushed, (sarc)

[Thomas Collins]

Marcin Gortat and Vince Carter bring the Magic back to within 11. 39-28 Celtics late in the first half.

[Ann Maggie Thatcher]

Narciso:

That was a humdinger of an article on Palin. A lefty mind grenade and I loved it. Thanks for the link.

[Thomas Collins]

Ann and narciso, Palin is a combination of an individual genuinely empathetic with the struggles of regular Americans, a Mama Grizzly protecting her country, a barracuda ready to devour anyone in her way to the Presidency, and a Jacksonian-type leadership style with a Reaganesque understanding of how an economy works. She is being underestimated by establishment Dems and GOPers in 2012 talk.

Magic within 3 early in the third quarter.

[Thomas Collins]

One handed bank shot by Mondo Rondo and a Ray Allen three put the Celts up 60-44 with 6:11 left in the third quarter.

[pops]

""The [Arizona] immigration law takes effect July 29""

The State should offer no sales, personal property or real estate tax for all legal Hispanics for the month of August, and free bus rides to LA or SF for everyone...no questions asked.

[Cecil Turner]

Some officials say they believe that the C.I.A. is trying to scuttle the operation to protect its own turf, and that the spy agency has been embarrassed because the contractors are outperforming C.I.A. operatives.

Well, that part is believable . . . and it certainly would explain why we're reading about it in the New York Times. Maybe the OVP can look into where the leak is coming from . . . so we can have an investigation over whether or not they're obstructing justice. [What? "Been there done that"?]

Er . . . never mind.

[Clarice]

Well, depends on the meaning of celebrities, doesn't it?

[Captain Hate]

TC, would you please stop posting NBA updates? If I wanted to follow David Stern's product I'd be watching ABC's trio of dunces.

[Cecil Turner]

Well, depends on the meaning of celebrities, doesn't it?

They had me at "Noam Chomsky."

[I've got my jones with TC and CH.]

Sweetness and light ain't in it in the playoffs today.
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[DrJ]

In other sporting news, the Tour of California (the bicycle race) came right through town today, a few minutes from where we live. So we went out for a greasy Chinese lunch, left the car there, and walked a few feet to a major turn, where we had great views over about 270 degrees. The location is also next to the famous "naked Indian" sculptures here -- they are about 20 to 30 feet tall.

In any event, a major bicyle race is quite interesting. There was a heavy Highway Patrol presence to keep cars and pedestrians off the race course. As the breakaway group arrived, there were all sorts of motorcycles with a camera guy on back; helecopters were overhead, and there was one support car per bike.

About five minutes later, the pack of the other 134 racers came buy, in a congested throng of color that flashed by in a few seconds.

Pretty cool.

The pack was so congested I had no way to identify Lance Armstrong or Levi Leipheimer, the favorite who has won the last three of these.

FWIW, this segment started in Nevada City and will finish in Sacramento.

[Thomas Collins]

Just one more, Captain Hate!

Celts hang on to take Game One, 92-88.

OK, no more NBA updates. I cede my update time to DrJ for bike racing updates.

[Thomas Collins]

Wow, Typepad is tough on folks who post too many NBA updates. I've lost my avatar!

[MarkO]

Pops,

I suggest limited, modified amnesty: show yourself and your kin and friends, board a bus to DC, Chicago or LA. Free. No searches. No seizures. Make this The Way into the country--and out of Arizona.

As a poslitcal move, however, I really like the piling on regarding the Administration's failure to follow the law in Arizona. Is it an impeachable office to fail "faithfully to execute" the laws of the land?

Mr. President, how many people invaded Arizona today?

[Pagar]

"Will the left demand war crimes trials?"

I can't find the cite right now, but one of the bills (that no politican reads) that is coming up in the Senate has a little segment in it that has to do with allowing criminal trials, by other countries, for American politicans who are not in favor with the American leftists or American military members who have not accepted the leftist indocination. I read the article a few days ago, and will keep searching for it.

[MarkO]

poslitcal?

Apparently, I had to get the pos in there.

[Danube of Thought]

Is it his Katrina yet?

Looks like the Deepwater Horizon rig received five safety citations, all during the Bush administration. Last year the Obama administration gave them an award for their safety performance (scroll to the last sentence).

[Extraneus]

Imagine, if you will, the Bush administration declaring, at the height of the Katrina devastation, that its plan of action consisted of "keeping our boot on the neck" of Mayor Ray Nagin.

lol

[Melinda Romanoff]

I guess my little exercise in hyperbolic mimicry caught the unwary off guard.

Back to the oak.

[MarkO]

There is, of course, so much I don't know, or can't spell. But, does it not seem odd that the Feds have not taken over the entire operation in the Gulf? Is it the usual practice to leave the clean up to the private parties? To me, it feels like a way for Obama to avoid having any responsibility for the clean up. I would feel better if I thought the Feds were all over it.

On the other hand, Obama's first words out of the box were that, by gum, BP would be held responsible for all costs. Is that where we are now? First things, first, like overspending.

It's as if we had put the French in charge for a year.

[Extraneus]

In human-rights talks, Obama administration apologizes to China for Arizona law.

[daddy]

Nice episode of ">http://youtoocongress.com/"> Patriot's and Pinhao's over at Jane's Blog.

[daddy]

The only apologizing this Administration should be doing about the Arizona Law is apologizing for not having read it.

[daddy]

I'm still uncertain about whether or not Gay's should marry, but I am confident that if they do marry, they ought ">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8685184.stm"> to get married by a Robot.

[Danube of Thought]

Is there a handy list somewhere of everyday products we could buy from Arizona sources? (One of my buddies is over there as we speak making a high-volume ammunition buy for a few of us.)

[Janet]

LUN a great video...Does Holder even know what he's talking about.
All his statements about the Arizona law with the dates highlighted...
It ends with him saying he hasn't read the bill.

[narciso]

It really comes down to first principles, without them you'll never get in earshot of
the right policy, in the LUN

[hit and run]

Here's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arizona_companies>a list of companies in Arizona, though not handily limited to just everyday products, and certainly not anywhere near exhaustive.

[Pagar]

Will the left demand war crimes trials?

Here is one version of another bill to defeat America.

>S.1346

"Dems Introduce “Crimes Against Humanity Act,” Would Allow UN to Prosecute Americans by Establishing “Universal Jurisdiction”…"

[Melinda Romanoff]

Pagar-

Thanks, I love reading Transi stuff. Just remember, you can't call it treason if it's "just" transnational.

[Melinda Romanoff]

DoT-

Do you need some Arizona Chilies?

[fdcol63]

Somewhere in Chicago, a village is missing its socialist idiot.

[PD]

daddy, the robot could officiate here for a full-robot ceremony.

[narciso]

Clearly, they haven't learned from this, in the LUN

[PD]

Is it a real sport if the winner doesn't pour milk on his head?

[PD]

I guess that falls under the heading of "strange primate behavior."

[Pagar]

"Somewhere in Chicago, a village is missing its socialist idiot."

Sounds like Chicago would be better off is it was missing a lot more of Them

Melinda, it must be difficult to listen to these things day in and day out.

As if we didn't have even more troubles coming Here.

"under the Obama administration’s current fiscal plans, the national debt in the US (on a gross basis) will climb to above 100pc of GDP by 2015 - a far steeper increase than almost any other country.”"

[Extraneus]

I would have at least ordered some Tombstone hot sauce, but I hate those sites where you have to create a login to order something, and they don't tell you the shipping charge until they already have all of your info. Can I be the only one who leaves these sites before ordering?

Speaking of robots, here's BigDog and Petman. What fun it must be to program those guys.

[PD]

Isn't Obama fond of haranguing the citizens of this country with the refrain that we have only 5% of the world's population but consume 25% of its oil?

Flip side, from John Bogle's "Common Sense on Mutual Funds": "With 5 percent of the world's population, we produce 25 percent of its goods and services."

Well, I suppose that really just reinforces Obama's point. After all, those goods and services go only for our benefit. We export nothing. We share none of our technology. We send no foreign aid to any less-fortunate countries. Etc. etc. etc.

I am so tired of our POTUS's dishonest comments on the ills of our society.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Pagar-

Every now and then, a name as innocuous as John Harris comes up with the right story attached to it.

But you'll love the wooing, by the Illinois Legeslators, of Exelon. Boy, talk about date rape.

[Neo]

It's really amazing to see the shoe on the other foot of Barack "Oreo Rookie" Obama

[Melinda Romanoff]

New six month low in the Euro, 1.2308.

Tomorrow's going to be "bumpy".

And, on that note, G'night all.

[Ann Maggie Thatcher]

Janet:

Here is a list of Republicans that voted for "We Are A Nation Of Cowards" Holder:

Alexander (R-TN) Terrific during the health care debate
Bennett (R-UT) forced retirement
Bond (R-MO) retiring
Chambliss (R-Ga) ?
Collins (R-ME) Moron
Corker (R-TN) ?
Graham (R-SC) Moron
Grassley (R-IA) up for re-election 2010
Gregg (R-NH) retiring
Hatch (R-UT) Been there to long, has to go.
Isakson (R-GA) ?
Kyl (R-AZ) McCains twin.
Lugar (R-IN) Must go.
McCain (R-AZ) up for re-election 2010
Murkowski (R-AK) up for re-election 2010
Sessions (R-AL) sad, I like him.
Snowe (R-ME) Moron
Specter (R-PA) up for re-election 2010,
Biggest loser ever
Voinovich (R-OH) retiring, Thank you Lord!

The Tea Party needs an enemy list and should publish it. It's not like these idiot senators didn't know what Holder was made of and this came as a big surprise.

Enough of this honorable bi-partisan carp.
Rise up and fight before it is to late. (Same goes for the Kagan votes)

Btw, has any one seen an analysis of the Senate races for 2010. Seems to me we should at least filibuster on the Kagan vote until the Nov. 2, 2010 election. What are the chances of the Tea Party taking senate seats from Roland Burris, Evan Bayh, Byron Dorgan, Blanche Lincoln, Bra Boxer, Harry Reid, and Arlen Specter. That is seven! We could scare the carp out of the rest of them until 2012.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Nevermind, 1.2288 low now.

[narciso]

That's a sobering list, Ann, of note Chambliss, get who got him back into the Senate, and what he's done with it, Graham,
I mean there are no words, The more surprising isSessions, forgot they showed him no such courtesy when he was up for Appeals Court, a quarter century ago, Kyl is there something in the Colorado River, I'm just asking

[narciso]

Inconvenient facts, in the memory hole, doubleplusungood multiple inspection, under
Bush, since 2001

[Ann Maggie Thatcher]

The double standards are so depressing Narciso yet we must fight on regardless. We need more billboards :):

Oh, and Pofarmer, I am posting this link just for you. I thought you would enjoy it, I did!

We are Better than That!!!!!

And we need more candidates like that! Hint, hint!!!

[narciso]

For those in the Philadelphia area, a possible
write in candidate,dealing with the irreversably clueless, in the LUN

[Neo]

I had this same thought when AG Eric Holder talked about changes ...

“It was the Supreme Court that set down the rules of Miranda. Whatever changes might be made, has to made within the confines of what the United States Supreme Court has already said.” -- Sen Leahy

... now I have to question my sanity .. but wait, a stopped clock is right twice a day.

[BR]

Thank you, Pagar, for calling attention to S.1346. It's in line with UN one-world Fascism, but still unbelievable. Makes me wonder if there'll be anything left of America after Obama. Will he be its last President.

Thank goodness for AZ and the other ongoing States' actions to undo the accelerating undoing of the Republic at federal level.

What a beautiful and powerful creation our Constitution is. Thank you, Founders.

[Tall Inn]

It's like not good to put those pictures on here. It's just there.

Euros? O bought those, ask. He saved us using time travel, really. The natO report tomorrow will agree Af/Pak is wrong and we shouldn't go to far away places and put up missiles next door. So, don't worry, the EUro is saved and O didn't start the global collapse cause he hates banks and what is 2 trillion when you'll owe ten in a few years?

[Topsecretk9]

The bottom line on this story is, government can NOT get the job of protecting the US, via intelligence, done.

I wish we could sub-contract out congressional employee work too.

[Extraneus]

Heh. Headline at Drudge:

OBAMA ADMIN GAVE RIG 'SAFETY AWARD' LAST YEAR

[Jane]

Ex,

I'm sure they were just following thru on Bush's recommendation!

[Pagar]

"“The euro is doomed,” said Andrew Wilkinson, senior market analyst at Interactive Brokers Group LLC in Greenwich, Connecticut. “The strains among the partners are becoming clear and it’s becoming harder to see global growth not being threatened by this.” "

A statement to wake you up!

[Pagar]

"Rise up and fight before it is to late. (Same goes for the Kagan votes)"

Ann, that is a great post. The Republicans need to fight every single thing the leftists try to pass. The more thay can prevent the leftists passing, the better for America.

[Janet]

Enough of this honorable bi-partisan carp.
Rise up and fight before it is to late. (Same goes for the Kagan votes)

Amen! The ones constantly screaming for bi-partisanship are the MSM...and they ARE the Democrat party.
Why any Republican would be swayed by the MSM is beyond me.

[Pagar]

Sarah Palin tells you all you need to know about the Lamestream Media. If you had any doubt about how they lie and distort.

[bunkerbuster]

``I guess we will find out how his energized base likes it now.''

Indeed, lefties from Bob Scheer to Noam Chomsky and Frank Rich have consistently criticized Obama for excessive militance in his approach to Afghanistan and his reluctance to follow through on promises to shut Gitmo, though on th e latter there is widespread understanding that he has little to no latitude to actually make it happen.
So lefties are clearly responding to the factual evidence that Obama is, in fact, right of center on foreign policy.
And how are conservatives reacting? Unchanged. A good sign that there opinions weren't based on facts on the ground to begin with...

[Jane]

If Obama had no latitude to close Gitmo, why did he make the promise?

[PD]

OBAMA ADMIN GAVE RIG 'SAFETY AWARD' LAST YEAR

Heckuva job, Bammie!

[narciso]

He was 'acting stupidly' as usual, when he made that promise, breaking up the jihadi band, sending the Gitmo detainees back to
Hamburg, that was probably an unstated reason
for Merkel's loss, along with having the shoulder the Greek Salad.

[PD]

We know that Obama's approach to "solving" the oil rig problem involves blaming BP. Has he done anything constructive to deal with the issue? I know that early on he had Holder send some lawyers to New Orleans, and I read the other day that he's going to send some nuclear scientists down to the rig area. Both of those seem about as appropriate as dispatching a brain surgeon to deal with an outbreak of crop plague. Am I missing something about Obama's sophisticated approach to crisis management?

[Captain Hate]

the factual evidence that Obama is, in fact, right of center on foreign policy.

Iran, Honduras.....

I realize that engaging you in anything is an exercise in futility because you're an ignorant liar who belongs at the children's table when adults are apeaking, but, assuming you even understand what a fact is, provide some examples along with an explanation of why they're "right of center" positions. For example, blowing up people with drones in Pakistan is not a right of center position despite what the bizarre cartoons that play in your excuse for a mind might dictate. Being right of center on foreign policy would mean support for people demonstrating against an oppressive unelected regime in Iran and support for the constitutional rule of law in Honduras.

[Janet]

No PD. It doesn't matter what leftists do. The media is just in awe of what big words they use and the speeches they give. They just demonize any company or individual or State that is trying to DO something.

"The beauty of doing nothing is that you can do it perfectly. Only when you do something is it almost impossible to do it without mistakes. Therefore, people who are contributing nothing to society except their constant criticisms can feel both intellectually and morally superior."
Thomas Sowell

[Janet]

LUN for Nashville Flood T-shirts again. Just a little way to help out.
...and I would love to do something more to cheer on Arizona too, but I'm not sure what. vacation in Arizona? buy products? Just not sure what to do.

[narciso]

He went to Cairo, spoke at Al Azhar, the fount of contemporary jihad, in stone's throw of the Citadel, where they probably couldn't hear the speech in light of the screams from the prisoners there, and spoke of Gitmo and Abu Ghraib, and about the dangers of 'imposed
democracy from abroad"

It wasn't long after that, Aulaqi probed the first time, with the attack on the Little Rock army recruiter post, then Ft. Hood, the Christmas Day Flight, and now
Times Square, what's next to wake them up

[Threadkiller]

Am I missing something about Obama's sophisticated approach to crisis management?

It is the same as his financial management.

”I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking, I want them to get out of the we so we can clean up the mess!

... or do nothing at all.

[Threadkiller]

Get out of the "way", not "we."

The caffeine has not spread to my fingertips yet. :-)

[Clue; newahnce ain]

bunkerbuster's blinders won't allow him to see that Obama's foreign policies are so incoherent that he's come in for criticism from the whole range of politcal partisanship. For bb, selectively reading the criticisms allows him to persist with the parochial mindset he has.
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[Ain't even nuanced; it's cut and paste belief.]

We've all figured it out, bb, but you haven't; your need to delineate boilerplate progressive ideology is boring. We've heard all the dissonance before. We vote sweetness and light.
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