Teasing From The Captain

Captain Ed is sneak-previewing a new Barack-basher, The Manchurian President: Barack Obama's Ties to Communists, Socialists and Other Anti-American Extremists.  A hint of things to come:

In just one of the revelations in this politically radioactive release, the book uncovers for the first time where and how Obama first met Weatherman founder Bill Ayers – and it is much earlier than previously believed.

Previously believed by whom - our credulous mainstream media, who were lied to throughout the campaign by Team Obama?  (David Remnick of the New Yorker preferred the word "disingenuous" to describe Obama's behavior, and contradicted another aspect of the official Obama/Ayers story.)

Still, for those scoring at home the current implausible Team Obama story is that Obama met Bill Ayers in 1995.  In their latest telling Bill Ayers toiled for a year pulling together the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, maintaining harmonious relationships with other backers and founders before, during and after the process.  However, for no discernible reason Bill Ayers played no role at all in selecting the Chicago Annenberg Challenge chairman, the post that went to Barack Obama in 1995, after which Obama and Ayers met.  Only the NY Times could believe that, or pretend to; Steve Diamond's pushback is here.

And my guess as to when they met?  1988 seems like easy money - per "Dreams From My Father", Obama was working on a city-wide push for education reform as part of a coalition coordinated by Bill Ayers.  Per this hypothesis, Ayers then resumes his collaboration with Obama in 1995 on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.

But Steve Diamond wants to go even further back:

Barack Obama visited the house of Tom and Mary Ayers, parents of former Weather Underground activist turned education professor Bill Ayers, in the mid-1980s to thank the Ayers’ for their support of his education, according to Allen Hulton, the letter carrier who delivered mail to the Ayers’ Glen Ellyn home at that time. Glen Ellyn is a suburb of Chicago, southwest of the city.

Hulton spoke to King Harvest at length about his experience. The statement by Hulton is the first eyewitness account of a possible relationship between Obama and Tom Ayers and the first that dates his relationship with the Ayers family to the mid-1980s.

The postman always rings twice, and apparently was chatty with the missus:

“Mrs. Ayers told me that her family had been helping out a brilliant young black man,” Hulton said and whom he believes she said was from Kenya. Hulton said that over the period of six to ten years that he delivered mail to the Ayers home he had numerous conversations with Mrs. Ayers, one conversation with Thomas Ayers and several brief encounters with Bernardine Dohrn who he said lived at the home for several months at one point in time. He never met or saw Bill Ayers at the home.

As to the encounter:

As Hulton was on the sidewalk walking away from the Ayers house a tall and thin young black man was coming up the same sidewalk towards the Ayers house.

Hulton recalls that Obama said hello and introduced himself and stopped to chat with him in front of the Ayers house. “I recall that his ears stuck out a little bit. He was more gaunt then than he appears now. His name was an unusual one and when I saw his photo during the campaign it brought back my memory of the event,” Hulton said.

Mr. Obama explained that he had taken the train out from Chicago to visit the Ayers’ in order to thank them for their help with his “education.” At this time, Mr. Obama had recently graduated from Columbia and would soon enter Harvard Law School. Hulton and Obama “spoke for a few minutes, first chatting about the Ayers family,” Hulton said. Hulton said he did not learn whether the help Obama received from the Ayers’ was financial or in some other form.

Puzzling.  I will say this - I will be shocked if the new revelations in the latest book shock me.

DO WE HEAR "COLUMBIA"?: Well, Obama was there when Bill Ayers was studying a few blocks away and everyone was protesting for South African divestment.  Of course, the Weathermen robbed a Brinks truck and became radioactive, so Obama will never admit to this; now, he pretends that he never heard of the Weathermen and thought they did their criminal stuff in the late 60's when he was a mere lad.  If one is looking for a motive for Obama to continue the cover-up, this would work.

Comments

[Porchlight]

They had to have met while Obama was at Columbia. Even without Hulton's story it stands to reason, given their mutual interest i the same radical causes.

[Captain Hate]

Mrs. Ayers told me that her family had been helping out a brilliant young black man

LOL @ trusting Mrs Ayers' judgement on anything after raising such a complete POS for a son. The subtle racism of non-existent standards.

[Clarice]

Guess who else won't be shocked..

[peter]

I am sure Obama would tell all, if some member of the press just sat down with him , and asked him. Maybe Charlie Rose.

[anduril]

New Zeal has done yeoman work in documenting these ties. It seems natural that Obama should've have come to Chicago with a letter of introduction (so to speak) to area communists from former Chicago communist Frank Marshall Davis.

[Thomas Collins]

Porchlight, my guess would be a Das Kapital reading group as the place Obama and Ayres met while Obama was at Columbia. Or some other sort of leftist reading group or organization.

[Porchlight]

The most interesting thing about Hulton's story to me is that it seemed as if Obama had never actually met the Ayerses until that visit. As if they had semi-anonymously helped bankroll his education, perhaps as a result of recruitment by a third party.

[PD]

OT: Looks like there is finally a piece of currency with Geithner's signature for us to write "TAX CHEAT" next to: The new $100 bill.

[anduril]

Obama has extensive ties to the Social Democratic Party, part of the Socialist International, which is populated by large numbers of radical leftists of various sorts. What is not so well known is the degree of control that the Social Democrats exercise over the Democrat party.

[Porchlight]

TC, something like that. I imagine that the radical chic social scene in those years wasn't so huge that a "star" like Ayers couldn't have been fairly easily sought out by an interested party. Or perhaps someone else made the necessary introductions.

[Ignatz]

I wonder if Barry goes to sleep at night in the WH thinking "considering all my baggage I can't believe how unlikely it was I could pull this off" or "I can't believe how easy it was to pull this off".

[reliapundit]

there a complex nexus connecting obama and chicago:

tom ayers and valerie jarrett's parents, and frank marshall davis and alinsky/kellman, farrakhan/percy sutton/mansour/rev wright, sidley-austin/daley/rezko/blago/rahm.

obama's 17 year old mother (who was from washington and was living in hawaii) was - for some unexplained reason - an au pair in chicago in 1960.

all this is detailed here - with more than a dozen links and several lingering troubling questions:

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2009/09/communist-frank-marshall-davis-obamas.html

[bgates]

Ignatz - I think Barry's thoughts at bedtime and pretty much all the rest of the time are neatly encapsulated here, starting at 3:43.

[thesky'sthelimit]

Americorps was founded in 93 and NCCC(according to legislative foundings way back)

Washington Americorps Member Portfolio 1995-1996
AMERICORPS. The sky's the limit!
www.nationalserviceresources.org/files/legacy/filemanager/.../XIII.A.1.PDF

[Rick Ballard]

bgates,

For some reason "Vera von Schtupp" is now blazing through my mind along with "it's not twue, it's not twue".

[Jack is Back!]

Knowing that the National Enquirer is the only true investigative newspaper still in existence in America, I wonder if they are going to expand their Obami and his paramour story to include the following:

. Birthplace
. Franklin Marshall Davis
. Occidental
. Columbia
. Ayers and Dorhn
. Khalid
. The Puppet Master

Etc, etc, etc.

[Git yer re-treads here!]

You birds can't seem to shake the boogie man of conservatives. Since the Soviet Empire was splintered into a dozen pieces, you had been searching for another cause, and were gifted with the Jihadists. Their schisms have been diluted, and although the fire is still on, the pot is merely simmering.

Now, like a dog which returns to it's vomit, you can't help but resurrect that tired rant from yesteryear. It's in your genetic code, and probably won't be extracted for several generations of Jim Crows. After all, we all know the Civil Rights Movement was populated with 'Commies'.

(Neil Young)

Southern man
better keep your head
Don't forget
what your good book said
Southern change
gonna come at last
Now your crosses
are burning fast
Southern man

I saw cotton
and I saw black
Tall white mansions
and little shacks.
Southern man
when will you
pay them back?
I heard screamin'
and bullwhips cracking
How long? How long?

Southern man
better keep your head
Don't forget
what your good book said
Southern change
gonna come at last
Now your crosses
are burning fast
Southern man

Lily Belle,
your hair is golden brown
I've seen your black man
comin' round
Swear by God
I'm gonna cut him down!
I heard screamin'
and bullwhips cracking
How long? How long?

[nathan hale]

I think Lynyrd Skynerd (sic) had a better answer to that drivel, in their prototypical song, what does that have to do with the president's ties to a known terrorist, 'laundered' into respectability

[Git yer re-treads here!]

You have managed to link 'terrorist' and 'commie' into the same descriptor, then attempted to smear obama with the crime of 'guilt by associatiion'. Your fevered imaginations behave more like machinations.

[Captain Hate]

Hippie retreads quoting Neil Young; how edgy!! Keep banging that classic crock, Junior. What; no "four dead in Ohio"?

[PD]

Southern man

You're thinkin' of Bull Connor, Democrat, perhaps?

[Frau Einundachtzig]

I'm with Porch -
It happened in Columbia end of 1981: Kismet (or Temsik spelled backwards).

Hey, everyone knows the Jim Crowers were Democrats, dummy!

[Git yer re-treads here!]

"everyone knows the Jim Crowers were Democrats,"

You mean, Whig re-treads? Anyone can take a name. Just look at John McCain. He claims to be a Republican.

[Clarice]

Retread warning!!
Troll feeding pistolas are cocked and ready.

[Git yer re-treads here!]

Yes. Let's not dilute this interesting display of covert racism.

[Git yer re-treads here!]

Please carry on with your discussion.

[nathan hale]

So a spoiled arriviste scion like Ayers, in the tradition of Castro, Fonseca, Guevara, would like a sympathetic protege from the
intellectual milieu in which both arise. Specially since then they knew who the common
enemy was

[Captain Hate]

Just look at John McCain. He claims to be a Republican.

Hopefully he'll be known as a former Senator in November.

[nathan hale]

Sorry Clarice, I forgot the don't feed the troll sign

[bgates]

crime of 'guilt by association'

You obviously don't know what that means. The morons who came up with the line "Pontius Pilate was a governor" were practicing guilt by association: taking one characteristic shared by two people with virtually nothing in common and using it to imply those two people were virtually identical. Saying that two people who have a deep interest in politics, share certain political views, and have had a close working relationship for decades in support of their shared political views may be more alike than they're letting on is not guilt by association. More like guilt of associating.

[Git yer re-treads here!]

'Sorry, Clarice....' (sucking sound)

[Joseph Brown]

With a S/N of Retread, it looks like this guy is properly named. Hey, Retread, still got your hippie long hair and beard or, are you down with a ponytail and goatee. Emphases on"goat"

[Porchlight]

I'm a big Neil Young fan but I never respected what he tried to do with that song (or with "Alabama"). Who is the "Southern man" to whom the song is addressed? Obviously he means Southern white men. But there are Southern black men, too. His failure to make that distinction is condescending at best.

[Git yer re-treads here!]

"His failure to make that distinction is condescending at best."

Nice attempt to display 'tolerance' and equanimity.

[Git yer re-treads here!]

I admit you guys have the better argument. The onnly reasons I say what I do are a combination of my own not-exactly-latent racism plus the fact that let's face it, I'm not very bright. I mean, how can I call you "retreads" when I'm quoting Neil Young?

Even if I deny ever writing this in a minute, it does feel good to come clean just this once.

[Janet]

I think Neil Young has made enough money. He needs to stop singing and give someone else a chance. His piece of the limited money pie is too big. His pie-hole is too big. Just basically...enough of everything concerning Neil Young.

[nathan hale]

WE must have hit a chord, this is a much more productive course then mere birtherism, honestly I'm almost to the same point as DoT
on this.

[Git yer re-treads here!]

Janet, you're a racist for not liking Neil Young. It's genetics. Anybody could tell just by looking at you that you have a flaw in the way you think that will be passed on to several generations of your descendants. But they couldn't tell by looking at your skin color! Because that would be wrong.

I like science because smart people are Democrats.

[Captain Hate]

Eh, Neil can do what he wants and if people are willing to buy it, what the hell. I saw him in a movie/doc a few years ago and he reminded me of my father in looks so he's not exactly a young buck anymore. I've always been amused with how the punk rockers like him: His voice isn't great, his lyrics are no great shakes and his guitar playing is ok; but the songs are greater than the sum of the parts. The punk ethos personified!

[Janet hasn't made enough money]

Who said I didn't LIKE Neil Young? I don't begrudge his success fairly earned. I mean, I do think at a certain point Neil has made enough money.

[Ignatz]

Neil is a real rebel. Moves from Canada into the belly of the beast and buys a big honking ranch in Woodside CA, the priciest, most upper crust town pretty much in the USA. Gordon Moore and Shirley Temple are some of his hell-for-leather neighbors.

[Janet hasn't made enough money]

Janet, you're a racist for not liking Neil Young.
LOL! Well, I'll have to add that to my other traits...broken toothed cro-magnon racist!

[Thomas Collins]

If this is turning into a music thread, I'm casting my vote for Alabama 3. See LUN for an A3 music vid.

[Clarice]

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/05/when_barry_met_billy.html>O Man Due for a Comeuppance on his many lies

[Janet hasn't made enough money]

Thanks for that link Clarice. Really, Tom Maguire, Steve Diamond, Jack Cashill, the New Zeal blog have all done great digging. ...and Stanley Kurtz at NRO. How does this break into the MSM?

[Pagar]

52 Million inconvenient children killed since the Roe Wade decision gave the Democrats that right, and someone thinks that smart people are Democrats?
Got to be some kind of a sick joke.

[sylvia]

I can't wait till we find out. I vote for Los Angeles when Obama was 18. Or maybe even before with Frank Marshall. But first meaningful relationship in Columbia.

[sylvia]

And I still haven't given up on the Malcolm X baby daddy connection. Especially if the mom traveled around so much around then.

[Antimedia]

You do realize that the Ayers family helping a "brilliant young black man" begs the question - why would they do that - unless they had known him for a while and decided to do so based on criteria that were persuasive enough to them to spend money on his education.

So the mailman's story points to an earlier genesis to the relationship - much earlier - for Obama was coming to thank them for the education he had just completed - at Columbia. It's logical to assume, then, that Obama met Bill Ayers at Columbia and they became friends - friends enough that Ayers persuaded his parents to assist Obama with his education.

[Jane says obamasucks]

Ya know the real biography of Barry must be incredibly interesting. I wonder if he really wants to take it to his grave.

[Antimedia]

"everyone knows the Jim Crowers were Democrats,"

You mean, Whig re-treads? Anyone can take a name. Just look at John McCain. He claims to be a Republican.

Posted by: Git yer re-treads here! | May 01, 2010 at 02:42 PM

There seems to be a never-ending supply of these bozos. Totally ignorant yet convinced of their own rectitude.

[bgates]

Oh, you all know Barry could debunk all these rumors if he wanted. It's just that he wants to maintain his laser-like focus on jobs, jobs, nationalizing the student loan industry, jobs, setting wage ceilings, jobs, preventing domestic energy development, jobs, isolating Israel, jobs, calling the riot police on typical white women, jobs, pitting ethnic groups against each other, jobs, complaining about things Bush did 20 months ago while Obama's party controlled Congress, jobs, eliminating the southern border, jobs, getting Goldman-approved financial "reform" passed, jobs, and jobs.

[fdcol63]

I'm still trying to figure out how and why a "prestigious" Chicago law firm like Sidley Austin would hire someone like Bernardine Dohrn who couldn't be admitted to the IL bar because of the ethics issues caused by the baggage of her radicalism, Weather Underground, and years as a fugitive.

I know about the ties between the firm's senior partner and Tom Ayers. But still ... what could she really bring to such a firm, except more radicalism due to her continued Marxist views?

[bgates]

Oh, and before I forget, happy Uno de Cinco*, everybody!

*"Frohliche Zuerst von Fünftem", for all you Austrian speakers.

[sylvia]

After reading Relipundit's link, I have a new theory on the Dunham/X connection.

Dunham went to Chicago in 1960 to be an au pair. However, she REALLY went to go work on the newspaper Muhammed Speaks cofounded in Chicago in 1960 by Malcolm X, then starting to be the largest black paper of the time. At the direction of Frank Marshall. Also the Nation of Islam center was in the south side of Chicago back then.

Although X lived in Ne York at the time with his family, presumably he went to Chicago often to check on his paper. And met starry eyed Ann...

[Barbara H.]

I am suspicious that a mailman suddenly came out of nowhere, remembers obama AND a conversation with Mrs. Ayers recalling her exact words that obama was brilliant and from Kenya. For him to recall this so well after 30+ years and be willing to involve himself in exposing obama--that seems somewhat fishy to me. I welcome exposure of any and all of Lord O'Bowdown's lies, especially since we have only his books (LOL) to go on. obama is wastrel and a crook and I do not support him, his Marxist policies or his cabal of criminals.

This May 14th, in Harlem in NYC, Pastor James Manning from Atlah ministries has scheduled a CIA/Columbia trial because he says he will present evidence that obama never earned a degree from Columbia. He believes from his evidence that Columbia was probably bought off and that there was a shady crime committed by giving obama a diploma he never earned. That may be the tip of the iceberg.

You may see why I say it is just a little too convenient for the postman to come forth at this time to give testimony in a book released now --right before the trial. I am not saying I doubt the authors of The Manchurian President, because they could have been duped. We can't see obama's real documents and the other hidden papers so I guess we just have to trust a mailman's memories from 30+ years ago, don't we? I wonder if this revelation was manufactured by the cabal to cover up another bigger and even more damaging lie?

[sylvia]

one link, LUN

[Thomas Collins]

Bgates, how does one say that in Austrian? :-))

[fdcol63]

The fact that the MSM didn't vet Obama better than they did, while dedicating scores of investigators to Sarah Palin's trash, is all we need to know about their bias.

[nathan hale]

And needless to say, (so why say it) they got most of that wrong, one suspects deliberately Anderson, who previously I regarded about as well as David Heyman, seems to have really settled on some good details, Not like the tree massacre by Remnick that has already made
it to my local library

[anduril]

Leave Vera Baker Alone. She did not have an affair with Obama
Hillbuzz.org ^ | 4/30/2010 | Hillbuzz

As might be expected, their claim is that he's more likely to have a himbo eruption than a bimbo one.

[anduril]

So Michelle wore black to Dorothy Height's funeral--what's with that? Isn't black, like, appropriate attire at a funeral? As opposed to, say, wearing black to light the Christmas tree? Or that weird orange outfit...

Is it all random, or does she really know appropriate but chooses to send messages?

[Pagar]

Hillbuzz has a great post Up. Check it out!

[anduril]

The tag end to this Maureen Dowd column really is a bit odd, when you think about it--Bringing Sexy Back:

It won’t be long before we see the New One and the Old One playing two-on-two — Brown with his basketball- and “American Idol”-star daughter, Ayla, and Obama, perhaps, with his 6-foot-5 body man Reggie Love — on the White House court.

One would expect that a father/daughter team would be matched with another father/daughter team, or at least to a guy/girl team. Is Dowd suggesting that Barry is a girl to "his 6-foot-5 body man Reggie Love?" Is this a sly dig?

[Ranger]

I know about the ties between the firm's senior partner and Tom Ayers. But still ... what could she really bring to such a firm, except more radicalism due to her continued Marxist views?

Posted by: fdcol63 | May 01, 2010 at 05:35 PM

They may have thorugh the Ayers faimly name had enough power to get her application through the state board. As I recall, she wasn't cut lose until after she was denied by the State Bar.

The bigger question to me is how Northwestern Law School could hire her after she'd been rejected from the State Bar for being morally disqualified to practice law.

[anduril]

Neat picture:

[JM Hanes]

Like Steve Diamond, I have always thought Republicans & McCain made a massive strategic error when they went after Obama's connection to Ayers, the former bomb-maker, instead of Ayers, the subversive educator coming to a school near you. Tarring the terrorist association angle as retrograde hysteria was campaign childsplay for Team Obama and the media. The fact that Ayers' influence remains a clear and present danger got completely lost in the resulting static -- and the federalization of American education made a great leap forward in the Stimulus plan.

Back in September '08, I tracked the Obama/Ayers mission from Chicago to mainstream DC, when I wrote Radical Planks in the Democratic Platform over at QBlog. I also reviewed the platform as the Chicago Annenberg Challenge model writ large in The Howdy Partner! Platform.

[Clarice]

I don' doubt that you are right about what ultimately is more important, jmh, but American election campaigns rarely succeed on arguments that exceed more than a few catchy phrases and that isn't in that category.

[Thomas Collins]

Ranger, although Northwestern is not in the Northeast or West Coast, a significant amount of PCness has infiltrated Northwestern. For that matter, a significant amount of PCness has infiltrated schools throughout the country.

Providing 60s terrorists with professional positions is one aspect of the rot that has infiltrated the pseudo-elite institutions of this country.

[peter]

Ok, Anduril, the cat picture won me over. AAAAwwwwww!

[Clarice]

The picture is precious.

Someone pulled the strings for Bernardine at NW just as someone pulled the strings for Obama to get the teaching post at the Univ of Chicago.

My guess is Daddy Ayers.

[anduril]

Along the route my wife and I usually walk in the evening there's a house where a cat that looks a lot like that one in the picture often dashes out to greet us, and rolls on the sidewalk asking for some quality time. Which I provide.

[JM Hanes]

Barabara M:

"You may see why I say it is just a little too convenient for the postman to come forth at this time to give testimony in a book released now --right before the trial."

The mailman thing seems odd to me too, but this is not the first time it's been reported. IIRC, he turned up quite some time ago. I'd be interested in knowing if the man is black, which would at least make Obama's casual confidences somewhat plausible back when he was forging his new identity. The conversation with Mrs. Ayers does seem awfully convenient, although perhaps she styled herself a populist Lady Bountiful.

[JM Hanes]

Clarice:

That may be true, but I never thought the radical association narrative had a prayer in hell of gaining traction. Quite the opposite. It ultimately worked to Obama's advantage; his enablers raked McCain over the coals like a birther.

[DrJ]

I never thought the radical association narrative had a prayer in hell of gaining traction.

It is pretty hard to explain concisely. This topic actually came up at a family gathering, and the only question was "Did Obama plant bombs with Ayers?" or something very similar. I just did not have the time to paint the whole picture. Too long a story, not enough time.

[Janet hasn't made enough money]

and DrJ, the fact that Ayers is a college professor that gets speaking engagements all over shows that there are a lot of Americans that don't care if he was in the Weather Underground. Sad to say.
I think the deal is that it will show Obama as a liar from day 1. His book, his sketchy bio, his associates....all a fraud. People will get that...even ones that aren't news junkies.

[Janet hasn't made enough money]

On the other thread Pops mentioned asking the MSM questions about citizens that had been killed by illegals. Ask about their rights, show pictures of those hurt or killed. Go on the offense about the reality of illegal immigration and lawlessness.
In the same way, I think we need to go on the offense with Obama's life. Start asking the MSM questions about his life. They don't know anything about him. That Gwen Ifill of PBS even sounded leery of Obama in a recent book review.
I absolutely hate our MSM.

[Rocco]

I think Ayers and Obama met through Edward Said at Columbia in 1983. The Weather Underground (Ayers) was very close to Palestinian sympathizers.

[DrJ]

Ayers is a college professor

... at a second-tier school, in a third-tier department, and who has essentially no publications over his entire career. Some academic.

[Pagar]

"a lot of Americans that don't care if he was in the Weather Underground."

Many of those Americans who don't care about his background are educating our Children. We are allowing these people to destroy America.

"Ayers’s influence on what is taught in the nation’s public schools is likely to grow in the future. Last month, he was elected vice president for curriculum of the 25,000-member American Educational Research Association (AERA), the nation’s largest organization of education-school professors and researchers. Ayers won the election handily, and there is no doubt that his fellow education professors knew whom they were voting for."

[Pagar]

"who has essentially no publications"
DrJ, Did you check his Venezuela stuff?
I know he has made some speeches there, I wouldn't be surprised if there are some Chavez/Castro promoting publications down there.

[anduril]

Bill Ayers Works

[Frau Einundachtzig]

WSJ: "The impact of Arizona's new law was evident in Washington, D.C., where a re-energized local immigration overhaul movement gathered outside the White House and saw almost three dozen activists including U.S Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D., Ill.) arrested for civil disobedience.

At a rally before the arrests, protesters chanted in Spanish, "We are all Arizona" and carried signs saying "Shame on Arizona," and vendors sold out of buttons asking "Am I legal?" in a reference to the new law's requirement that law-enforcement officials to question people who they reasonably believe to be in the U.S. illegally."

To the contrary: Viva Arizona!
Pukey Los Angeles mayor Villar(aigosa) and forever disappointing Cardinal Mahoney stoked the union rent-a-thugs and just plain dupes, citizens and unfortunate illegals.

[Eddyhass]

Has anybody ever considered that our great presidente' may have been involved in this crime? He was in New York at the time right. He may have known Ayers or maybe members of those black nationalist groups, I'm just saying.

[JM Hanes]

Via HotAir headlines: LAPD estimate crowd at immigrant rights rally is about half of what was expected

[Frau Fischkopf]

I'd guess Barry would lack the ability to participate in any real action. He lets others take risks just like Billy Ayers did most of the time. Ayers would rather write than fight, and he writes easily and always more than is required. In another universe, he stuck to harmless fiction; in this one he is a dangerous propagandist.

TC - Austrian is very close to oans vom fuemfe.

[DrJ]

Chavez/Castro promoting publications down there.

Those don't "count." Presentations are a different matter -- he has lots of those. Publications, in the academic sense, are those published in refereed professional journals. I recall that Ayers has about a half dozen of those, though that is from memory only and so might not be quite right.

[Pagar]

Irregardless of rather they count. The Venezuela connections are important. For one thing, Chesa Boudin, who the Ayers raised to become a Rhoades Scholar is extremely close to Chavez. "Perhaps their continuing influence over Obama helps explain why the President has been so accommodating toward Chavez"

Boudin has at least two books Published .
The article in the link "Bill Ayers and Hugo Chavez blood brothers in terror".

It would be interesting to determine how much of the anti American efforts from Castro and Chavez came directly from the Ayers or Boudin.

[rse]

JMH-

Sounds like we should talk about federalizing education. It's actually worse than you think. ARRA was the trigger for what they have wanted for a while.

Dr J-

Ayers books may not be worthwhile but unfortunately they are required reading at ed schools all over.

These days our US ed system is too often equivalent to med schools saying they will only teach bloodletting and then saying only a person with a med degree can touch someone sick.

[DrJ]

Pagar,

No question that Ayers' connections do matter, and that Chavez is one. I was addressing the more stuffy issue of what counts when evaluating the performance of an academic. Traditionally that is peer-reviewed publications. Cornell West got into a fight with Harvard whether his rap videos would "count" for academic credentials. Harvard said "no." West is now at Princeton.

rse,

I'll take your word that the the ed schools read his stuff. I don't really know that world -- I'm more of a hard sciences/engineering sort. I had my run-ins with the "studies" departments, but not the ed school.

[Clarice]

JMH In 2006 Millions turned out to rally for amnesty; 500,000 alone in L.A. This year the figures were down everywhere, but you'd not get that impression from this very misleading AP article.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100502/D9FECDM00.html

[rse]

Be glad you don't.

I know you're the hard sciences sort and talented at it. We've had some discusions in the past on what was going on in the EHR division of NSF.

Fortunately for you that equity and social justice in math and science funding is leaving NSF.

Unfortunately for the country it's relocating to the DOE with almost twice the funding.

The national tragedy is that we so want equal outcomes that we are literally changing the nature of math and science courses in our schools.

Bill Ayers is a big part of that. When you have a minute look into his colleague Eric Gutstein and what he is doing to math in this country.

[peter]

Ayers is a college professor

... at a second-tier school, in a third-tier department, and who has essentially no publications over his entire career. Some academic.

He does have a record of experiments with extremely rapid oxidation.

[DrJ]

Fortunately for you that equity and social justice in math and science funding is leaving NSF.

Really? That's good news. NSF has lots of really good people and programs, but some are a bit "out there." I'm pleased that some these are now gone.

Unfortunately for the country it's relocating to the DOE with almost twice the funding.

That's a shame. I'd like to see this department eliminated, truth be told.

I'll try to look up Gutstein.

[jimmyk]

a lot of Americans that don't care if he was in the Weather Underground.

I wish it were only that they don't care. I believe many think it's a plus. So many people still gush over the 1960s and 70s as though it were some great time when people "really cared." Sure, maybe Ayers went a bit too far, but those were youthful indiscretions, and are evidence of his commitment and passion for justice, blah, blah. It's sickening.

[SWarren]

Obama, Ayers and Dohrn all lived within blocks of each other in NYC at the same time, from 1980-81 on. Given what Obama would be reading in the NY newspapers at that time- Anti-Apartheid demonstrations, the Brink's robbery, and Dohrn doing 7 months time in a NYC jail, and given Obama's penchant for radicals, it is no stretch to believe he sought out Ayers.
This site LUN gives a timeline of Ayers/Dohrn/Obama in NYC. Scroll way down to 1980-81.

Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn: Cold Case Files

During this time Barack Obama is attending Columbia University (2960 Broadway at West 116th Street - the Upper West side of New York).

Bill Ayers is attending Bank Street College (on the other side of Central
Park at West 112th Street - the Upper West side) studying for his Masters in
Early Childhood Education and/or was working at B.J.’s Kids, a day-care
center on the Upper West Side of Manhattan.

Bernardine Dohrn had a listed address of 520 West 123rd Street New York NY
- Upper West side of New York.

Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, David Gilbert, Kathy Boudin, and "Barry"
Obama all lived, worked, and went to school within close proximity of one
another at the same time.

LUN

[Rocco]

Although this is 1969, way before Obama's time at Columbia, it shows just how close Ayers was to the Black Panthers. From Bill Ayers blog in his own words.

When Fred Hampton and Mark Clark were murdered in 1969 in a West Side apartment in Chicago, some of us thought we were witnessing the Gestapo-tactics of a burgeoning police state up-close and in vivid color—the certain and clear face of terror. Fred was the charismatic young leader of the Black Panther Party, and since our offices were just blocks apart on Madison Avenue, we saw each other every day, and he was our friend.

[Rocco]

Wasn't there talk about Ayers and Obama attending the same Marxist events at the Coopers Union?

[Pagar]

IMO, William Ayers and those who believe like he does are some of the most dangerous people in America. Not only do they have the ability to reach a lot of ordinary people/students and sway them to the Communist way of thinking, but they also have direct access to the President and his czars.

[DrJ]

his colleague Eric Gutstein

Seems to be another UIC education "social justice" communist. What am I not surprised? At least he has a few publications, for whatever they are worth.