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May 01, 2010

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DrJ

his colleague Eric Gutstein

Gutstein seems to be another UIC "social justice" communist purporting equal outcomes in the education department.

Math for liberation! Math for the oppressed! Math for the people!

DrJ

Sorry for the double post!

JM Hanes

Hi Rocco!

"Although this is 1969, way before Obama's time at Columbia, it shows just how close Ayers was to the Black Panthers."

And oddly enough, Obama's DoJ drops the voter intimidation case against the Panthers. Could be a coincidence, I s'pose.

JM Hanes

rse:

"Sounds like we should talk about federalizing education. It's actually worse than you think. ARRA was the trigger for what they have wanted for a while."

I'm not sure it could get much worse than I think. From what we learned about Chicago, CAC & Chavez, to Obama's Democratic Platform to ARRA which gave the Secretary of Edu control of a monster slush pile, to the last minute Healthcare Bill addenda, I think you're absolutely right that they're a lot further down the path than almost anyone realizes. I'll check out Gutstein.

charlotte


Did anyone ever think of this: One of the Weather Underground is serving life in jail for attempted murder: Nathaniel Burns who changed his name to SEKOU ODINGA.

If you remember correctly Odinga is the name of a Obama family member (cousin) in Kenya--Raila Odinga ( Obama's father was Raila Odinga's maternal uncle.
( http://en.wikipedia.or/wiki/Raila_Odinga

and
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7176683.stm

Raila Odinga is a communist who studied in East Germany and who tried to overthrow Daniel Arap Moi. He also has ties to Kenyan Muslims who are killing Kenyan Christians--a whole church was set alight with dozens of Christians inside-all were burnt to death.
Obama raised nearly $1m dollars for his election campaign--illegal according to US law to raise money or interfere in the politics of another country-there is some law that forbids this.

Now NATHANIEL BURNS changed his name to SEKOU ODINGA in the 80s. This was pre- internet times.
WHERE DID HE KNOW THE NAME ODINGA FROM? It wasn't exactly mainstream news then. ODINGA is an east African name and most US black people are from West African origin.

He MUST have heard it from Obama when Obambi recounted tales from his father and his visit to Kenya. So it seems Obama HAD contact--close contact with radical Weathermen/Panthers and may actually have been involved in acts of terror.
http://www..freerepublic.com/focus/news/2349649/posts

http://en..wikipedia.org/wiki/Brink's_robbery_1981

I suspect Obama was one of those 6 in the back of the U Haul truck in the Brinks murders.

Clarice

I suspect Odinga is a common Nigerian name and you are connecting dots in a way that is bizarre.

nathan hale

I don't know about that part, but it is curious that Jeff Jones mentioned in that previous LUN, is president of the NY State Apollo Alliace, an affiliate of the grop from which Van Jones came from, and reputedly the folks behind the stimulus

Clarice

I meant common KENYAN name.

charlotte

Did anyone ever think of this: One of the Weather Underground is serving life in jail for attempted murder: Nathaniel Burns who changed his name to SEKOU ODINGA.

If you remember correctly Odinga is the name of a Obama family member (cousin) in Kenya--Raila Odinga ( Obama's father was Raila Odinga's maternal uncle.
( http://en.wikipedia.or/wiki/Raila_Odinga

and
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7176683.stm

Raila Odinga is a communist who studied in East Germany and who tried to overthrow Daniel Arap Moi. He also has ties to Kenyan Muslims who are killing Kenyan Christians--a whole church was set alight with dozens of Christians inside-all were burnt to death.
Obama raised nearly $1m dollars for his election campaign--illegal according to US law to raise money or interfere in the politics of another country-there is some law that forbids this.

Now NATHANIEL BURNS changed his name to SEKOU ODINGA in the 80s. This was pre- internet times.
WHERE DID HE KNOW THE NAME ODINGA FROM? It wasn't exactly mainstream news then. ODINGA is an east African name and most US black people are from West African origin.

He MUST have heard it from Obama when Obambi recounted tales from his father and his visit to Kenya. So it seems Obama HAD contact--close contact with radical Weathermen/Panthers and may actually have been involved in acts of terror.
http://www..freerepublic.com/focus/news/2349649/posts

http://en..wikipedia.org/wiki/Brink's_robbery_1981

I suspect he was a Panther and one of those 6 in the back of the U Haul truck in the Brinks murders.

nathan hale

They were on a Third World kick by them, H Rap Brown, who is reputed tied to some Islamist group, Burns had been in Algeria, and
probably had traveled from there, to the Horn and other places, I wouldn't be terribly concerned with that

CTM

"You do realize that the Ayers family helping a "brilliant young black man" begs the question - why would they do that - unless they had known him for a while and decided to do so based on criteria that were persuasive enough to them to spend money on his education."

Here is a theory that I have thought about. I think it is very plausible but entirely speculative. If it is true that his mother was in Chicago working as a au paire when she was 16 (1958), perhaps she was working for the Ayers family. She could possibly have got the job with the help of her uncle Charles who worked at the University. I think I figured out Bill would have been 13, a little too old to need a babysitter but his younger brother was just the right age for a teenage girl to look after during the summer. The age difference between Bill and Stanley Ann would have been about right for them to become friends. Considering her great interest in Marxist ideas, she could have shared these with the young teenage Bill just when his mind would be open to seeking some meaning for his life. This could even have planted the seed thoughts that eventually lead him as he grew up to terrorism. Being a bright and friendly girl, she could have developed a very good relationship with the parents. She could have maintained a relationship with them, particularly Mrs. Ayers, through all the years of 0's childhood and schooling by writing letters. Then he decides to go to Columbia. They feel close to Columbia because their Bill is there and he's given up his violent activities for the normal life of an educator. They know Stanley doesn't have a lot of money to finance her son but they probably know all about him and have nice photos of him and so they decide to help. And it's only one step further then for them to put him in touch with Bill who probably already knows about him too and now he is in a position to mentor and help the baby-sitter's son. Finally 0 goes to Chicago and heads out to the Ayers' house to thank them for helping with his education and the cycle is complete and ready for the next chapter.

ned

During the 2008 election cycle, BP-linked donors gave $71,051 to Barack Obama's senate campaign, more than they gave to any other senator that cycle.

BO+BP=Destruction of our environment!

rse

Eric Gutstein's Rethinking Mathematics for Social Justice is required reading in many, if not most, math methods courses.

Especially in the masters program.

Please also do not forget Linda Darling-Hammond, Obama's ed advisor, and author of "Learning to Teach for Social Justice".

She's the single person now in charge of developing new national assessments to determine if K-12 kids are learning what they should. She's already said they will be subjective and given an acid rain essay example for the type of "critical thinking" they will be looking for from American students.

Oh great.

Back to Colombia- When LDH was there as an Ed Prof at Teachers College (1989-1998). Bill Ayers and his mentor, Maxine Greene, persuade in 1997 Teachers College Press to launch a series of books on social justice teaching.

Ayers is the editor.

Guess who else is on the editorial board?

Rashid Khalidi. He is billed as being there as a loyal supporter of the Palestinian cause and the Edward Said Prof of Arab Studies at Columbia.

Jack is Back!

Having devoured this thread about the Obama-Ayers nexus and relationship, I am more than ever convinced he is a plant. The real Obama needs to be found - maybe he is Odinga or maybe he is just a janitor at Commonwealth Edison.

Being silly I know but this kind of "amateur detective work" by a bunch of jammie wearing JOMers should embarrass every and all so called investigative journalists. This is the kind of s**t that sank Nixon.

I am starting to really worry about who the "puppet master" is and what his next plan and action will be.

nathan hale

It is reminiscent of a Bourne novel from the 70s, The Materese connection, where the son of
a Sardinian financier, took the place of a Brahmin US Senator, and was running for President

Rocco

John Batchelor from RBO states...

2. Is it coincidence or significant that both Columbia College student Barack Obama (1981-1983) and Columbia Teacher’s College student Bill Ayers were in New York City in the same time frame of the early 1980s, and that they both attended wool-gathering events about socialism at the Cooper Union?

And Jack Cashill suggests that the same man who financed Obama's Harvard education, also financed his book.

No matter how many books he has written, al Mansour himself lacks the talent to have written Dreams from My Father. He was, however, one of many people in Obama’s network with enough money and influence to get the book written and published.
Rocco

Forgot the Cashill link

The Mansourian Candidate

Ashan

One more thing to consider in drawing up Barry Hussein's radical timeline is that he went to Pakistan in 1981 with his well-heeled Pakistani roommate from Occidental. No one with a US passport could have done that. Must have used his Indonesian passport for that little trip. Oops... Indonesian nationals can't have dual citizenship.

There are no coincidences. Whatever is at play here, something is very, very dangerously amiss.

rse

Came across a Steve Diamond email from June 2008 where he expressed his concern that Obama's ed policy and LDH should be evaluated in light of an April 2008 report she wrote called Democracy at Risk.

Report is at LUN and I just finished reading it.

It's truly a frightening vision of what it means to be an educated person in the 21st century.

It's also very much a vision of educating students so that they are ready to be a productive part of the collective.

No sense of individual excellence or pursuing self interest and the social benefits of that.

Obviously LDH has not been attending Thomas Sowell's lectures while at Stanford.

Truly a thoroughly Marxist vision.

CTM

What is LUN and how does one get there?

Bill in AZ

LUN=Link Under Name. Click on the posters highlighted name below their post.

Rocco

Sorry JMH

Hi...Didn't see you there!

JM Hanes

No apologies needed, Rocco. I wandered off the plantation soon thereafter. :-)

Army of Davids

Billionaire Nahdmi "Oil for Food" Auchi is an interesting character that seemed to be in Obama's background a few times.

Frau Pfui Deifi

Unfortunately, Darling-Hammond influences teacher education nationwide. She emphasizes social justice and educational equity. She was considered the Sec.of Ed. favorite but Kid Arne, with no academic education background *but* familial ties to other Chicago bigwigs, is given the post. (He did tutor black children at the day center run by his mother, and he did stay in several Holiday Expresses.) Duncan's position as Supt. of Schools in Chicago was just a few years old. The hyped progress and excellence is as real as Geithner's financial prowess.

Social justice is to be applied in *all* area. It was once questioned how social justice could be applied to math and music. the questioner was soundly rebuked. I 'm sure Goodwin Liu knows all about educational equity and will promote it from any judge's bench he may acquire.

rse

Frau-

Look at the link above in the LUN .

When they describe the "education debt" and the need to recognize education as a civil right, I immediately thought of Liu.

As bad as social justice is, have you seen any of the work where they argue distributive justice in education is not enough.

They want to see diversity and the incorporation of minorities into education and society in terms of "regulative justice".

The idea is that real differences do not matter. Diversity must be mandated so there is interaction and thus reciprocal recognition of common humanity.

With that kind of attitude in the Ivy League (Amy Gutman at Penn and Derek Bok, for example) no wonder HLS has become a hotbed where race cannot even be discussed rationally.

Hard to square this idea of education with what are international competitors are doing.

fdcol63

What's really scary is that the American public was gullible enough to fall for this sham.

PersonFromPorlock

While I have little use for Obama or his clique, the postman's story just isn't credible. Did he gossip with all the people on his route that much? If not, why did he single out the Ayers? If he didn't single them out, does he remember conversations and observations at other addresses in the same detail?

These questions need to be answered before I'll put a lot of faith in the allegations.

setnaffa

Stop treating the symptoms. Read Romans 1:18-32 and pray for America!!

Sarah Wells

Barbara H. , the mailman story is old, it predates the election.

He really was their mail carrier, FWIW.

If he were a confabulitst it would have been just as easy to concoct a tighter connection or closer Bill Ayers/Obama relationship. As it is he confesses he never even met Bill Ayers.

The conversation he reports he had with Tom Ayers is very interesting, and rings true, at least with respect to the mail carriers befuddlement at Tom Ayers sympathies with his working class situation.

I suggest you go back and find the complete account, before forming a judgment on the excerpt above.

There's more to the story.

Silicon Valley Jim

Glen Ellyn is a suburb of Chicago, southwest of the city.

Not that it changes the argument any, but Glen Ellyn is due west of Chicago, not southwest.

ahem

get-yer, etc: You ain't as well-educated as you think.

richard40

When Glen Beck was listing all of Obamas connections to communist radicals on his blackboard, the left would constantly cite it as an example of how paranoid the far right is, but it looks like Glen Beck was right.

Steve Diamond

Silicon Valley Jim is technically right about the location of Glen Ellyn. But from the view point of someone born and raised on Chicago's North Side and North Shore and as a life long Cubs fan, Glen Ellyn and Lombard will always be to the south side....

Genghis NeoKhan

American Thinker suggests links to Obama during his Occidental days in anti-apartheid demonstrations organzined by the SDS from which Ayers so infamously splintered with the Weathermen.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/obama_and_dohrn_and_ayers.html

Melinda Romanoff

Steve-

As a North-sider, THAT was funny.

cathyf

Hey, up in Wilmette we think that Skokie is "south side".

Rocco

Evidently, Abraham Lincoln was a Cubs fan too. Great Minds!

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