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June 03, 2010

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peter

To sixties radicals, "off" meant kill. Off the pigs. Bill Maher wants Obama to display a pistol in his waistband at cabinet meetings. Maybe what they all want is Saddam Hussein style leadership.

DebinNC

Politically speaking, how does it make sense for the WH to not include FL's AG, Republican guv candidate Bill McCollum, in Holder's gulf states AG meeting, especially after Obama and Crist were joined at the hip at last week's photo op? I understand why Obama wouldn't want to give him any publicity, but how will FL voters take the omission...especially as Drudge is now leading with news that "oil blobs" are headed for the Panhandle?

Pofarmer

Still can't believe that the govt is aggressively pushing that they are starting a criminal investigation. If you are gonna have a criminal investigation, do it AFTER you get the problem fixed. You don't need engineers working on it to have to "lawyer up,", plus, you just KILLED any trust that the companies who are working on the situation might have had an the govt minders they are working with. All in all, the Obama administration has made a bunch of stupid moves here.

Thomas Collins

TM noted in connection with dragging someone into court:

"[A]t last our activist-turned-lawyer-turned- President can attend a meeting where he will understand the issues being discussed."

Perhaps he'll understand it as an activist, but I must have missed the part of Obama's life where he demonstrated any knowledge about law (being a niche faculty member and law review chief honcho does not necessarily demonstrate legal knowledge).

narciso

He didn't understand car insurance, one recalls he didn't insist on his students
reading the cases, in one of his classes, using the Derrick Bell primers instead

Rob Crawford

Drudge is now leading with news that "oil blobs" are headed for the Panhandle?

Good lord. No sooner than I start planning my vacation, Drudge tosses this insult out. Seriously -- I'm not oily, and while I could stand to lose some weight, I'm NOT a blob!

Dunk it, fool.

I wonder what he thinks of his transition game.
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Bill in AZ

President OilSpill was already "enraged" when the plug didn't work. Spike must have missed that. Such a stupid comment. I can think a a few dozen other things a chief executive might say after some nearly impossible engineering feat didn't work - like "disappointed", "we're simultaneously working on several other approaches", etc.

But when that lone electron is traveling at the speed of light in that vast wasteland of cocaine addled synapses, and there is no teleprompter to tell the dipshit what to say, he says something jarringly stupid. Like "Captures the imagination" when a Jewish American gets his neck sawed off on the internet.

Rob Crawford

Still can't believe that the govt is aggressively pushing that they are starting a criminal investigation.

Really? I think it's one of the two things they understand -- punishment. The other is control. Thus you have Reich (I believe) demanding the government seize BP "so we all know what's going on".

Punishment and control -- that's how they see ruling the country. (Not governing. Remember, it was the Obama administration that bragged about being "ready to rule from day one".)

Appalled

Pofarmer:

I understand your point, but an investigation of what happened -- including anything criminal -- really needs to get going before any evidence is compromised. It's going to be August, at the earliest, before this thing gets fixed.

In particular, the country runs a real risk of knee jerking itself into simply forbidding any offshore drilling. (Can you imagine the Democrats passing something like that,? I can. Can you see the GOP filibustering it? Not so much.) The only way to avoid this is to find out ewhat went wrong, and how to prevent the what went wrong. If laws were violated -- and that led to this -- fairly swift prosecution is a better idea than Congress passing stupid laws to address a perceived problem.

I don't think Obama's leadership on this issue has been good -- denying Louisiana's attempts to protect itself from the oil was an obnoxious manifestation of Obama's preference for top down solutions from the Federal government. But moving on the criminal front is appropriate.

Pofarmer

Well, Rob, I think you're correct about Punishment and Control. However, in the context of the real world most folks live in, it's just mindnumbingly stupid to be doing what they're doing. What Companies are going to want to do business with the U.S.? Will companies want to drill now, even if they can? Monty Python couldn't make this stuff up. The problem is, they are going to collapse the Nation if this plays on long enough. Our economy runs on Energy.

Pofarmer

In particular, the country runs a real risk of knee jerking itself into simply forbidding any offshore drilling.

Where have you been? The administration already did. Do you think it will really be a six month review?

Janet

If anyone visits a beach and there is some oil/tar blobs...just use baby oil to get it off your feet. We frequently had days that the tar was bad down on Padre Island.
Now tons of oil is another story, and if the blob is Rob...well, your on your own as to what to do!

narciso

You really give them, too much credit, Appalled, they demagogue everything. It's interesting how very few are referring to
the Ixtoc spill which was a carbon copy of
this event, that happened under Pemex, a nationalized company, the fate Reich intends
for BP

Pofarmer

Apalled, this looks/feels a lot more like persecution than prosecution.

Appalled

Pofarmer:

I'm talking about shutting down existing wells as well. (In the current environment, it's impossible to justify drillling new ones.)

Pofarmer

I'm talking about shutting down existing wells as well. (In the current environment, it's impossible to justify drillling new ones.)

That's pretty much happening, too. A friend of mine is on a brand new production vessel in the gulf, employing brand new techniques. There job just got a whole lot harder and more expensive. They are facing massive delays now. New production from existing well heads isn't going to come on line. What's gonna happen when the current production wells dry up?

Pofarmer

And, another thing. These nearly billion dollar rigs in the gulf that now can't drill? They aren't going to just sit. They are going to move out and go drill somewhere else. And, normally these things operate on multi-year contracts. These stupid decisions by the administration could literally set us back years on oil exploration and production.

Appalled

Pofarmer:

Something happened in the Gulf that is causing multi-billion dollar damages to a lot of people who did nothing wrong. Government does have a responsibility to try to prevent that from happening elsewhere. Until exactly what happened is figured out, the government would be abdicating its responsibility to allow new drilling under existing regulations. If there is econonic impact on the oil industry -- well, they have just imposed a lot of economic impact on the tourism and fishing industry.

The thing is that the government does need to be quick about this, because any drop of oil not drilled here has to come from delightful places like HugoChavezland or Jihad Arabia.

Rob Crawford

Well, Rob, I think you're correct about Punishment and Control. However, in the context of the real world most folks live in, it's just mindnumbingly stupid to be doing what they're doing.

I didn't say it was a good thing. I think it's a horrific thing, in fact. The US government is supposed to be about Leave Us The Hell Alone, only resorting the punishment when someone breaks a clearly stated, well-known, law and is convicted of it.

This lot instinctively attempts to dictate (control) and when reality doesn't conform to their wishes, immediately resort to punishment. I bet they attempt to bring some sort of charge against BP for not stopping the leak quickly enough -- never mind the difficulty of the location of the leak, clearly the failure to stop it by now is the sign of willful negligence. Right?

PD

If Obama wants criminal investigations, how about starting with the Sestak affair?

Rob Crawford

But when that lone electron is traveling at the speed of light in that vast wasteland of cocaine addled synapses, and there is no teleprompter to tell the dipshit what to say, he says something jarringly stupid. Like "Captures the imagination" when a Jewish American gets his neck sawed off on the internet.

Is it really that hard to understand why a terrorist murder "captures the imagination" of someone who spent most of his adult life as a close friend and associate of, well, terrorists?

Danube of Thought

Minus 14 at Raz today.

Obama held hostage, Day 45.

Melinda Romanoff

Po-

That is the whole point of the exercise.

Pofarmer

Government does have a responsibility to try to prevent that from happening elsewhere. Until exactly what happened is figured out, the government would be abdicating its responsibility to allow new drilling under existing regulations.

You gotta be kidding me, right? Instances like this in U.S. waters are exceedingly rare, as in, this is the first time? So, we shut down all production because of a one off accident? You shut down even seismological studies and limited exploratory drilling? That's not taking responsibility, that's just plumb stupid.

Pofarmer

I bet they attempt to bring some sort of charge against BP for not stopping the leak quickly enough -- never mind the difficulty of the location of the leak, clearly the failure to stop it by now is the sign of willful negligence. Right?

Holder was saying as much yesterday.

narciso

He really has no understanding of this,
remember 'inflated tires' or seeing as his associates are tied to the CCX, maybe that
was just a cynical ploy. Now Venezuela which
is floating on oil, has brownouts, recalls
the old Krocodil line about what would happen
in Saudi Arabia, if communism ever came there,
'they'd run out of sand'

J

So a racist, black performer advises obama to act emotional.....and this is Lee's solution to the problem?
Deep intellect, there.

Pofarmer



Po-

That is the whole point of the exercise.

So, Soros did it to get the rigs to Brazil?

I can buy that.

peter

Yeah, DOT, that's what we need to do--keep track of the number of days of the crisis, just like under Jimmah Cahtuh. Brilliant.

Danube of Thought

Until exactly what happened is figured out, the government would be abdicating its responsibility to allow new drilling under existing regulations.

I agree, but only with respect to these deep-water rigs, which pose risks that are qualitatively different from those in shallow water. There have been over 30,000 offshore oil rigs operating in the Gulf for decades with no problem.

Appalled

Peter:

CNN has been keeping track of the days in just that way.

Po:

Would you have had this reaction to Chernobyl? Some consequences are sufficiently extreme to justify this sort of response to an accident. The idea, though, is not to let it drag.

Rob Crawford

Government does have a responsibility to try to prevent that from happening elsewhere. Until exactly what happened is figured out, the government would be abdicating its responsibility to allow new drilling under existing regulations.

Barring the discovery that this was done on purpose -- an exceedingly unlikely event -- well, stuff happens. We should all grow up and live with the fact we live in an imperfect world.

narciso

A little context is in order, in the LUN

Appalled

DoT:

Fair enough. Any halt should be as narrow as is responsible.

jimmyk

Thus you have Reich (I believe) demanding the government seize BP "so we all know what's going on".

Shoot first, ask questions later. For some reason this reminds me of Nancy's "We have to pass it so we can know what's in it."

Janet

well, stuff happens. We should all grow up and live with the fact we live in an imperfect world.

I SO agree with this. Perfection or nothing? How will any endeavor move forward with that rule?
An accident happened...fix it, learn from it, and move on. We can't continue to destroy every business that has an accident.

Pofarmer

Would you have had this reaction to Chernobyl? Some consequences are sufficiently extreme to justify this sort of response to an accident. .

Did we shut down all Nuclear power plants following Chernobyl? Did the Soviets?

The idea, though, is not to let it drag

If you don't think this is going to drag on for years, you're delusional.

jimmyk

Airplanes crash, but we don't stop flying. Obviously this is just being used as a pretext for policies that the left has wanted all along. The Republicans need to man up here.

Clarice

I think it's great that movie stars are offering advice. In fact, I say fire the entire WH staff and replace them with geniuses like Lee and Streisand. If you can act, sing, dance, direct you know everything there is to know. Right?

Rob Crawford

Would you have had this reaction to Chernobyl? Some consequences are sufficiently extreme to justify this sort of response to an accident.

I would never have built a nuclear reactor without a containment building, let alone a carbon-moderated reactor like Chernobyl.

MaryD

Beautiful summary, Clarice.

Melinda Romanoff

Dancing's covered by Rahm already Clarice, got to fill out the rest of the bill from central casting.

Danube of Thought

Inviting James Cameron to lend assistance is going to be fuel for some great parody before very long. (I should think it would make more sense to seek advice from Bob Ballard. But then he's not as famous, and doesn't have any academy awards.)

Pofarmer

BTW, if there were a PATTERN of accidents with deep water off shore drilling, then, it might be appropriate to suspend those operations, while simultaneously sending those rigs to shallower waters to continue operations. One does not indicate a pattern.

This is basically what they do with aircraft. One crash, investigate it. If there is a pattern, or some structural defect is involved, then you might ground that type until a specific defect is addressed. You don't ground the whole fleet because , just as an example, MD-80's are suffering a specific type of fatigue problem.

Old Lurker

Narciso "He really has no understanding of this..."

I started to ask you what exactly you were talking about until I realized you said it perfectly!

macphisto

or that Netflix ad..."you too, Romantic Comedy!"

Pofarmer

We can't continue to destroy every business that has an accident.

Wanna bet?

Look, we know he's intent on dismantling the Reich, but he expected to avoid the blame.

If this were a Reichstag Fire event, and that's a very big IF(supported mainly by the old Roman thought 'Cui Bono') then I'm just delighted that the intended beneficiary is catching blame.
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And this silly little leak assumes huge significance in the debate.

There is a tremendously important dynamic going on here, and we're all nibbling around the edges. PoFarmer refers to it when he points out that this is going to go on for years(note that Katrina certainly has), if not in physical manifestation on the edge of the sea, but in our political discourse. I am glad that the club of climate is no longer being effectively wielded in the arena, but the discussion of energy and its sources is really just beginning.
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First as tragedy, then as farce.

A nice little analogy; consider if the Reichstag Fire had spread and leveled Berlin?
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Pofarmer

Well, Kim, if this was going to lead to a productive conversation, it would be good. But, it won't. What it is going to lead to is more demagogueing, while prices increase, and the costs get passed on to us all.

Pofarmer

BTW, the first Tier IV emissions compliant trucks with DEF(urea) are out. Turns out they are using FIVE TIMES the amount of product they were expected to use. So, freight costs go up again.

BP is Obama is BP.

If this accident had not happened, it would have been miraculous, considering the risks that BP was taking, and not just in this well. They have a significantly worse environmental record than their competitors and a significantly stronger political position among the movers and shakers of a carbon controlled society. Is there a relationship between their croniness and their risk taking?

It would be hard to prove that there is not.
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And the best firefighter got whacked by a barge last year.

In other words, an inadvertant Reichstag Fire, that is spreading to the whole community.
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peter

You know, Clarice, Paderewski became the President of Poland, and Ronald Reagan had a career before he was governor of California, so it is not outside the realm of the possible that entertainers could offer some good advice and be leaders. The problem is that current Hollywood is just another dysfunctional industry, like Detroit, coasting along on fumes from its past glories, bloated and ready to crash. Cameron is just a goofy socialist, wealth redistributor, Spike Lee is a prep school faux ghettoist, etc., etc.
A real leader, would borrow a yacht, stay near the spill, and hold an evening meeting, asking all the engineers, all the oil experts, what did we try today, what should we try next, and stay there until the crisis ends, or January 20, 2013, whichever comes first. Or set off a nuke.

jimmyk

BTW, the first Tier IV emissions compliant trucks with DEF(urea) are out. Turns out they are using FIVE TIMES the amount of product they were expected to use.

Trucks are running on pee now? I guess we just have to drink more beer.

Not a trick in a truckload.

PoF @ 10:31 You are probably right that no progress will come from this. However, the blogosphere is confronting energy now even more than climate. I've hopes that reality will eventually intrude itself onto the 21st Century. It will be like a refreshing breath of cool air. Or a menthol cigarette. Heh.
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Rob Crawford

BTW, the first Tier IV emissions compliant trucks with DEF(urea) are out. Turns out they are using FIVE TIMES the amount of product they were expected to use. So, freight costs go up again.

Why can't they use the other "blue" diesel technology -- the particulate filter that burns off the soot? VW uses that one in their Jettas.

Maybe it's a matter of the size of the engine...

Playing with matches.

A reckless Reichstag Fire rather than an inadvertent one.
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OK, better move on.

Heh, peter, how about a picture of John Kerry surfing over a slick, or Obama in flippers, or Bill scooping muck with a cigar.
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Jane

I am quite excited by the start of the Blago trial today.

Old Lurker

"They have a significantly worse environmental record than their competitors and a significantly stronger political position among the movers and shakers of a carbon controlled society."

Every executive is faced with limited capital and must choose among competing investments. It was a reasonable decision on their part to invest in political cover over raw engineering...too bad they are about to discover that political cover is more fickle than bricks and mortar. Those guys just don't stay bought.

Rob Crawford

It was a reasonable decision on their part to invest in political cover over raw engineering...

Sadly, politicians are cheaper and more common than good engineers.

Pofarmer

So true, OL, which is why inserting the govt into even more industries is a BAD idea.

MikeS

If there is some reason to suspect criminal negligence, by BP or by lax regulators, then I would favor a criminal investigation.

I doubt that an investigation would help to determine how to prevent a similar incident in the future. The financial and public relation costs to BP are probably a much greater incentive.

LouP

It's taken me a long time to come full circle, but this morning I'm convinced this country elected a Community Organizer - nothing more, nothing less.

"Community Organizing" is, I think, a concept that was born in Chicago - based on Socialist, e.g. Alinsky, models. Among other things I suspect that the first rule for a Community Organizer is to set up an us vs. them scenario. "Them" is almost always going to be evil capitalists, greedy corporations, etc., etc. It makes no difference - just get the support of the masses by giving them an evil enemy that can be villified. (Incidentally, it helps immeasurably in obtaining the support of the masses if you, the Community Organizer, construct the scenario so that the poor, victimized masses don't have to assume any responsibility for the problem. And of course, it's critical that you, the Community Organizer, keep the evil perpetrator out front and center so that you don't have to do anything constructive or responsible to alleviate the perceived problem, and thereby expose your own incompetence and irresponsibility).

I strongly suspect that Obama & Co. are actively and with malice of forethought, and in accordance with the "rules" of a Community Organizer I've just outlined, trying to divert the attention of everyone from their blunders in containing and alleviating the effects of the spill (which is largely their responsibility) by keeping everyone's anger focused on what caused the spill in the first place. Hence the buzz about criminal investigations.

There are two parts to this mess: the cause and the effects. If Obama & Co. can keep you focused on the first part (the cause), then maybe you won't pay any attention to the second part (the effects) and who is responsible for that.

Sue

Paul McCartney must not realize that Laura Bush was a librarian.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/arts/music/03mccartney.html>NYTs

A few minutes after the concert, Mr. McCartney returned to the microphone, thanking the Library of Congress and adding, “After the last eight years, it’s great to have a president who knows what a library is.”
Janet

BTW, the first Tier IV emissions compliant trucks with DEF(urea) are out.

I wonder what Al Pacino thinks of this? or Meryl Streep?

Why can't they use the other "blue" diesel technology --

Perhaps Johnny Depp was opposed to that idea or Aretha Franklin?

I thought the forces would be Capital, China, and Climate.  Oops, there are more.

Yup, LouP; they spun themselves into power and it was an error. Once in power they confront forces which will not yield to spin. The public is just now finding this out. So are Obama and his spinners.
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PD

"Community Organizing" is, I think, a concept that was born in Chicago - based on Socialist, e.g. Alinsky, models.

I'm reading Karl Rove's new book, and one of the things he mentions is that in his early days he had people working with him read Alinski's Rules for Radicals -- so they'd know how the other side thought.

It's still good advice.

Janet

What do I do if Demi Moore opposes Paul McCartney? My mind is reeling...I wouldn't know where to turn for enlightenment.

PD

McCartney probably doesn't also know that Bush reads more books than Obama.

Stupid git.

Strong medicine that KoolAid.

The only thing that sustains them are the lies. Look at bunkerbuster; he's stereotypical.
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Ignatz

--so it is not outside the realm of the possible that entertainers could offer some good advice and be leaders--

It is when the entertainer is demonstrably a vapid little ferret to begin with, like Spike.

--“After the last eight years, it’s great to have a president who knows what a library is.”--

Yeah. He knows it's a thing his Hyde Park pals tried to blow up in the sixties.

Jane

OT: I need access to NY law for a short time - does anyone know the best way to do that? Lexis Nexis? And can you do it for a month?

Thomas Collins

Jane, Do you want me to check with my firm's librarian for a Lexis contact individual?

Jane

Yes please and ask her or him if we can do it for a month. And can we sign up on line?

Pofarmer

Why can't they use the other "blue" diesel technology -- the particulate filter that burns off the soot? VW uses that one in their Jettas.

Maybe it's a matter of the size of the engine...

Let's compare and contrast. You have a large truck engine turning 600HP vs a vw Jetta turning?

There are some problems with the particulate filters. They have to "burn out" about every 250 miles. They get very hot. If you get stuck in traffic during the re-gen cycle, they have been known to melt the plastic skirts on the trucks or bubble the paint on cars next to the trucks. They are also having a huge premature failure rate at a several thousand dollars per pop to replace. We're talking failures at 10,000 miles on vehicles expected to go 1 million miles. Nobody wants to own these trucks.

Rob Crawford

Po -- didn't know they'd tried the particulate filters in trucks. Yeah, melting the plastic or the paint on nearby cars is a problem.

My Jetta just runs a little warmer than normal and leaves the fan running after the engine's off. They do warn you not to park over anything flammable, but I made that a habit long ago.

Pofarmer

My Jetta just runs a little warmer than normal

That's already a problem with Tier III. Higher operating temps are shortening engine life. Deere has a problem right now with scoring pistons, and also combine fires due to high manifold temperatures. Manufacturers are going to DEF so they can get the engine operating temps back down, for one thing. Deere has opted to go with EGR and particulate filters to make Tier IV, it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

 centralcal

Off topic for this thread, but because I know how much all of you like pretty pictures (this has nothing to do with Flotus), please see the link I just put on the Flotilla thread of recent Gaza photos.

Thomas Collins

OK, Jane.

Old Lurker

Speaking of OT...and since we started the day with Shep Smith, that twit...is it my imagination or have we not seen Steve Hayes on the Roundtable with Krauthammer in some time?

Clarice

That gives me an idea--The Shepolator. We bundle the dummy up in a skin diving bell and drop him into the BP well to see if that stops the oil flow.

geezer

Speaking of bringing forth our best and brightest let us not forget Commodore Sean Penn, Admiral of Mare Obama.

The NASA crowd would ordinarily have come forward but they are consumed with Toyota's pedal problem

Mike G in Corvallis

What Obama is doing -- regarding energy, medicine, insurance, Wall Street, and every other sector he wants to demonize for political gain -- reminds me so much of Robert A. Heinlein's maxim:

Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

This is known as "bad luck."

centralcal

Too funny, Clarice. But, I like the idea of Shep being made to actually do something, other than emote!

Cecil Turner

Whether BP will move faster and cooperate more closely with the Feds if they feel obliged to bring a lawyer to every meeting is a separate question.

My reaction as well. If the government can't take over (and everyone seems to agree they can't), their clear duty is to assist in all ways possible until the crisis is over. The faux adversarial approach appears to be political posturing to obscure their own cozy relationship and oversight failures.

Until exactly what happened is figured out, the government would be abdicating its responsibility to allow new drilling under existing regulations.

I doubt having a bunch of criminal investigators look for a scapegoat is likely to shine a lot of light. Besides, there is plenty of data on what went wrong already (and fixes long proposed). For example:

MMS did not mandate installation of a remote-control device for the Deepwater Horizon's blowout preventer either. Such devices, operated by a radio signal, have been required as emergency backups in Norway and Brazil since 1993 and 1997, respectively.
The same link notes a 2004 study that concludes shearing functions would likely fail at deep sites because the pipe is necessarily thicker (just like it did). They could write a new set of regs in days. Putting the kibosh on completely unrelated drilling (especially in Alaska) is actively counterproductive.

Janet

That's a great quote Mike G.. The left tears down civilization and what? What do we do then?
These young people falling for all this nice sounding "green" stuff....they don't even realize what they are advocating. Cars, lights, refrigerators, flushing toilets, plenty of food,...
They're gonna miss it all.
But they saved ice and a rare worm. How does one even reason with that?

matt

commissions and criminal investigations are simply sidelines.

Offshore oil drilling is one of the most complex and difficult industrial undertakings. Blowouts, spills, and other accidents are inevitable. The mission is to do it safely and to be prepared when shit happens. This is usually the case.

In such an emergency, extraordinary measures must be taken and yet, 42 days into this fiasco, the one thing the president can do to positively effect a solution has not been done, which is to call for a sharply focused effort to cap the well.

We have brainiacs at Livermore and Cal Tech and the Colorado School of Mines who know and live hydraulics and oil pumping technology and plasma and everything else.

Naval technology has been working on the effects of massive structural breaches for 500 years.

And the man suggests that all oil subsidies be removed as a solution? This is looking more and more like a "teaching moment" to ram through his agenda. Maybe we should all "go off" on the President.

Ignatz

--is it my imagination or have we not seen Steve Hayes on the Roundtable with Krauthammer in some time?--

I hardly ever get a chance to see it OL, but IIRC I did see it by chance and Hayes and Krauthammer were on together about a week or so ago.

NK

Cecil Turner @12:53--

Rare time I have to disagree with you. You are talking logic and sound business principles and safety regulation. That's not what the Obamaniacs are about. They are about not letting a crisis going to waste, meaning the crisis is the opportunity to expand their political power. As applied to this case that means shutting own as much petroleum production as possible, drive up prices thereby making their economically hairbrained but politically coldblooded plans to pick and choose economic winners in the subsidized energy game. The "green" economy is all about using the Tax Code and subsidies to dictate consumers' energy options thereby capturing consumers as political hostages. The problem they have is petroleum, natural gas and coal make the "green energy" plans economically laughable. Using "safety" to drive coal mines out of business and shut down petroleum production, these things are godsends to the Obamaniacs. They are on the case to deprive consumers of affordable energy and dictate to those consumers the sources and cost of energy, the lifeblood of the modern economy. The Obamaniacs are economic fascists teaming up with GE, Siemens, BP (ironically enough) and any other large rent seeker stupid enough to believe they can control this fascist monster that is playing for keeps. Logic and fairness have nothing to do with it.

Danube of Thought

This just in: scumbubble Van der Sloot arrested and in custody in Chile. God willing he has now known the last moment of freedom in his wretched life.

One hopes that Peru has the death penalty.

Clarice

OT: AP reporting Joran van der Sloot has been picked up by Chilean police at the request of Peruvian authorities.

Cecil Turner

Logic and fairness have nothing to do with it.

Would love to disagree with you . . . but can't. And the worst part is we (the people) brought this on ourselves.

NK

Cecil Turner said: "Would love to disagree with you . . . but can't. And the worst part is we (the people) brought this on ourselves."

History records that Benjamin Franklin told a passerby that the new Constitution created a Republic, "If you can keep it." The American Republic is based on free markets, free expression, property rights, the right to bear arms, restrictions on government power over any of these, and checks and balances within government to restrict government power. All of these fundemental components of the Republic are under attack by the Obamaniacs, but controlling the source and cost of energy is the most easily exploited choke point, and the Obamaniacs will go hell for leather to use energy for as much leverage as possible to expand their political power.

Old Lurker

Thanks Mark. Great quote - was new to me.

Thanks Iggy re Steve Hayes. He's a good one.

Cecil, of course it is chilling to feel the need to have a lawyer look over one's every move, particularly in any thing as fast breaking as a normal business. Frankly the damage is already done when the DOJ orders the preservation of all documents, notes, journals and emails. That much sand thrown in any gear box will bring it to a crawl.

As you know as well as anyone else here!

Kevin B

UK Telegraph blogger Gerald Warner has an interesting post on Obama and the Oil spill.

The iconic image of every oil-spill disaster is of some distressed creature coated in slime and squawking in bewilderment while well-wishers desperately attempt to save it by removing the contamination. The latest bedraggled victim reclaimed from a Louisiana beach in front of millions of American television viewers is Barack Obama, whose survival is now increasingly problematic. The detergent has not been invented that can decontaminate Obama from the ongoing catastrophe in the Gulf of Mexico. President Pantywaist is in deep doo-doo.

Read the rest at LUN

Cecil Turner

They say democracy's great virtue is that it doesn't persist in folly. We can only hope.

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