Waiting For The Oil To Hit The Fan

Last week, following criticism from the NY Times and Rolling Stone, the official estimate of the oil leak in the Gulf was doubled.

New Estimates Double Rate of Oil Flowing Into Gulf

By JUSTIN GILLIS and HENRY FOUNTAIN

A government panel on Thursday essentially doubled its estimate of how much oil has been spewing from the out-of-control BP well, with the new calculation suggesting that an amount equivalent to the Exxon Valdez disaster could be flowing into the Gulf of Mexico every 8 to 10 days.

The new estimate is 25,000 to 30,000 barrels of oil a day. That range, still preliminary, is far above the previous estimate of 12,000 to 19,000 barrels a day.

However, we eagerly await more revisions.  The new figures apply to the rate of flow before BP implemented its plan to snip the riser pipe and try to cap the well at the wellhead on the ocean floor.  Before, oil had been flowing through a kinked riser pipe; afterwards, the consensus was that oil would flow more quickly straight the well head (that's bad) but BP would be able to put a better cap on the clean break (good!)

So how much faster is oil glowing now?  Well, that is the revised figure the world awaits.  The previous government estimate was that cutting the riser pipe would increase the flow by 20%.  However, the Times had this last Monday:

At least one expert, Ira Leifer, who is part of a government team charged with estimating the flow rate, is convinced that the operation has made the leak worse, perhaps far worse than the 20 percent increase that government officials warned might occur when the riser was cut.

Dr. Leifer said in an interview on Monday that judging from the video, cutting the pipe might have led to a several-fold increase in the flow rate from the well.

“The well pipe clearly is fluxing way more than it did before,” said Dr. Leifer, a researcher at the University of California, Santa Barbara. “By way more, I don’t mean 20 percent, I mean multiple factors.”

Yike!  It is possible that sometime this week we will have a press announcement the gist of which will be that the old estimate was that 12,000 to 19,000 barrels were leaking each day, which increased to 14,000 to 23,000 barrels after the riser was cut.  However, the new revised estimate will be that the flow of 25,000 to 30,000 has been increased to 75,000 to 90,000 barrels per day.  The good news is that BP is capturing  15,000 barrels per day of the new flow with their improved cap.  The bad news will be that 60,000 to 75,000 barrels per day are not being captured.

Obviously, if the well was leaking 30,000 barrels a day before it was re-capped and is now leaking a net of 60,000 barrels a day, the decision to cut the riser will be subject to some vigorous second-guessing.

Obama made clear at his May 27th press conference that he was in charge:

But make no mistake: BP is operating at our direction. Every key decision and action they take must be approved by us in advance.

I hope we get lucky and the revised figures are not this grim.  But there may be howling this week.

Comments

[peter]

OT, saw a great bumper sticker this weekend. "If you voted for Obama, apologize to my children."

[PD]

Lost in the hysteria about the spill: This oil is a *big find*, that when controlled could become a terrific source of oil.

[narciso]

Yeah, that's been at the back of my mind, too,
what a disaster, and what a waste

[Jane]

Now now PD, once we control this spill we will shut down the source for all time - for the good of the polar bears - or something.

[Old Lurker]

Appreciaiing that the new rule is there are no rules, where does the President get off demanding a (foreign) company take company cash and place it in the hands of a third party to distribute as that person sees fit...unless some appropriate court has so ordered? Why would a company ever do that? What do they get in return for paying a claim before said claim has been adjudicated?

I am confused.

[Clarice]

Ask the Chrysler preferred shareholders, OL.
Also pls check your email inbox.

[Captain Hate]

Why would a company ever do that?

Maybe to keep Toonces from badmouthing them on prime-time tomorrow night although that would be a stupid reason. As somebody at AoS said: If he hasn't learned how to juggle flaming chainsaws or balance spinning plates on top of sticks, there's no way I'm watching a minute of President Asshole tomorrow.

[Jane]

I'm gonna snark blog it over at You Too Capn' so fear not.

[I Won]

See how it's just like 9/11, only worse?

[LouP]

I really, really hate to even bring this up, but...

Frankly, I have no confidence in a government appointed panel who is making an assessment of the oil spill rate SOLELY for the purpose of figuring out how much the Government is going to be able to extort from BP. Yeah, sure, and how much of that money will be skimmed off the top to support Obama's spending habits?

[Dave (in MA)]

Cap'n, why "Toonces"? Obama is a cat driving a car over a cliff? Oh, wait--I suppose it makes sense. Never mind. :-)

[Jack is Back!]

Just to let all JOMer's know, the British press in some sectors has always had a bad mouth for the States. Mostly, because we are fat, ignorant, loud and uneducated but that hides jealousy and vanity of a lost pride. Now, it is reappearing in a most interesting fashion - Obama is in fact making enemies of friends and coddles our enemies. Now the Brits are not so much questioning the empty suit but the people who bought it. This is troubling in the sense that they still can't bring themselves to say he is the problem but that we are because we elected him (even though they still LIKE him). It is very weird watching the talking heads here on TV tie themselves up in knots trying to explain how smart Obama is and how dumb Americans were for electing him. It is more surreal than then the NY Post headline USA 1 England 1 - America Wins!!

Obama hasn't disappointed them - we have for electing him. Go figure!

[Bye, bye, rigs.]

Oh, Boy, see Watts Up for the latest scandal. Salazar has pinned the decision to freeze drilling on himself and Obama, after seven experts disclaimed the use of their advice, claiming they'd been misrepresented.
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[Porchlight]

More hair-raising speculation on an energy industry BBS about the spill, specifically the possible structural collapse of the well. This is a comment on a much larger thread:

The Oil Drum: Deepwater Oil Spill - A Longer Term Problem, Personnel - and Open Thread 2

[Clarice]

Tell me when we hit the peak peak of peak oil.

[bgates]

Clarice, "peak oil" is so 2008. We're now in the era of "pique oil". The leak has wounded our blessed sovereign's vanity, and someone must pay.

[Jack is Back!]

So, bgates, does that change the chant to "pique me, pique me" when he is looking for someone to ask a softball question about the oil spill and how big a straw he is having made?

[hit and run]

Porch:
More hair-raising speculation

First they raise your hair,then they set it on fire.

Rinse,lather (in lighter fluid),repeat

[Clarice]

Pique energy period. Here's a hair raising tale from Barron's how Obama is subjecting us to $50 billion in lawsuits by cancelling the long studied yucca disposal site plan to help Reid.

http://online.barrons.com/article/SB50001424052970203296004575296692788286172.html>Impeach him already

[NK]

Bye Bye rigs' heads up about the Watts Up link to the Fox Report is the biggest political development. The spill is a political disater for everyone, because, well it is a disaster hurting so many so deeply, so Barry O suffers politicaly fairly or unfairly. BUT, this ADMISSION by the Interior secy that he and BARRY O alone decided the 6 month moratiorium AGAINST the advise of government off shore oil experts is a dramatic development for the worse. The moratorium is a bad idea on so many levels, starting with it ends the Gulf oil exploration industry, ends tens of thousands of good jobs, and drives up the price of oil and increases foreign oil dependency. The lefties think that's good, but the swing voters (the only ones who count) will be outraged. So why did Barry O do it? This is hard left Alinsky/Obama using the disaster to get something Obama can't get through "regular" politics, the end of US oil production and steep subsidies for the fantasy wind/solar economy. Wind/solar is a fantasy of the Left, but a nightmare for the rest of us, as it gives government and large rent seekers (GE, Siemans, GM etc etc) control of the energy market. But Barry O is a hard Left control freak, and if he loses the 2012 election war but wins the big prize of gov't control of energy, he'll figure out how to get back into power-- one way or the other. It's all about POWER --Political Power-- with this crew, they aim to make the USA a large Cook County One Party machine where the Fed. Gov't controls all. Sorry but that's what we are looking at.

[bgates]

when he is looking for someone to ask a softball question

I've seen the All-Star Game footage. I don't think softball would be his game.

T-ball? Nah, the "T" shape is too Christian-y.

[Threadkiller]

The interior secretary, Ken Salazar, makes a lot of decisions by himself.

Here is Ken deciding to create a ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaXv_x8eCOg&feature=player_embedded"> drought.

Turning water on is his decision and he says it would be "admitting failure" to turn those pumps on.

This administration would rather keep their mouths shut, if they can, than admit anything.
This video is a good example on how the minds of these clowns operate. Sad thing is, this proves they can create a crisis wenever they want. The oil spill just happened to happen.

[matt]

sounds like time to fuse it shut using a neutron bomb...oh, I forgot...Carter cancelled that program.

[Old Lurker]

Porch, that post was quite a read. Thanks for linking it.

[Ignatz]

--Turning water on is his decision and he says it would be "admitting failure" to turn those pumps on.--

Parts of CA have 200% of normal snowpack and it averages 175%. Reservoirs are overflowing with snow melt and there are still huge banks of it from 6,000 feet on up.
I just bulldozed some roads at the 5,400 foot elevaton Saturday and the soil was still saturated in mid June.
Idiots.

[Richard Aubrey]

Reichstag

[matt]

I flew over the Sierras last week on the way to Alaska, and the mountains were still magnificently clad in snow up past Shasta. From 36,000' or so I could see lakes still frozen over.

The National Parks Service web site shows Tuolumne Meadows flooded. The drainage in the park is 131-140% of normal, and yet Ahnold was on the radio again the other day about the drought.

Just another man made crisis brought to you by the Left Wing.

[Thomas Collins]

See LUN for a thorough critique of whether containment is the best policy in dealing with Iran's nuclear ambitions. The article concludes with the following:

"None of this is to say that strikes on Iran would not have unforeseen, unintended, and unhappy consequences. All military actions do. But the serious question that confronts policymakers today is whether the foreseeable consequences of an Iran with nuclear weapons are not considerably worse. They would be. And because they are foreseeable, they are preventable. Through action. Not through the inaction that, in this case, goes by the name of containment."

The article sets forth in detail the reasons for its conclusion. This article is worth a read by all interested in the question of how to address Iran's pursuit of a nuclear arsenal. Especially interesting to me was the discussion of whether Shiism is a belief system more prone to martyrdom than Communism.

[Porchlight]

No problem OL. I should hat tip the HotAir commenter who linked it last night - unfortunately I can't remember who it was.

I don't know if the guy is right, but it sure is scary.

[Gmax]

News to me ( probably not to Kim ):

The UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change misled the press and public into believing that thousands of scientists backed its claims on manmade global warming, according to Mike Hulme, a prominent climate scientist and IPCC insider. The actual number of scientists who backed that claim was “only a few dozen experts,” he states in a paper for Progress in Physical Geography, co-authored with student Martin Mahony.

[centralcal]

Porchlight, amazingly even Hillbuzz has linked that oildrum story. Very worrisome story, too.

GMax - only a few dozen! Doesn't surprise me in the least.

[narciso]

Btw, the story over the weekend appears to be true, in the LUN

[narciso]

I've wondered though, if this well is at 5,000 feet, yet the relief well is supposed to be at 18,000 feet, so where is the oil seam, where it all comes from

[Climategate tapped a reservoir of distrust which is now bleeding out.]

Yes, Hulme is probably playing a deep game, he's been a whole hog believer. It's important to remember that this refers to the determination of a 90% likelihood that the warming is anthropogenic, but it does highlight the small coterie of scientists at the center of this 'Extraordinary Popular Delusion and Madness of the Crowd.'
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[narciso]

Apparently there's a limit to how far, dirty tricks can go, in the LUN

[Thomas Collins]

In her Facebook post on the trip to England (see narciso's link above), Palin states that:

"Her friendship with my other political hero, Ronald Reagan, exemplified the Special Relationship between the United States and the United Kingdom."

Palin is very adept at using Facebook to preview themes that she will use in her 2012 POTUS run. Count on Palin hammering away at Obama's blowing off our traditional ally England while cozying up to our enemies. I predict that one of her campaign promises will be that she will ask for the bust of Churchill back so that she can put it back in the White House.

[Pofarmer]

So, basically, the govt pressuring BP to do ANYTHING, MY HAIRS ON FIRE, to cap the well, made things worse. Imagine that.

[Captain Hate]

she will ask for the bust of Churchill back so that she can put it back in the White House.

Of all the things the Indonesian Imbecile has done, this was the one that made me scratch my head the most. What is the upside to a snotty move like this? The people that hate the UK were firmly in his corner already. Plus there are a few lefties that have a soft spot for England that will think WTF. If he didn't like it, put it in storage and be done with it; now, as you point out, he's given any opponent an easy campaign issue. I already thought he was an idiot when he did this and I still was shocked.

[narciso]

You know I thought Hannan was smarter than this, even in the mea culpa, in the LUN

[Ignatz]

--What is the upside to a snotty move like this?.....I already thought he was an idiot when he did this and I still was shocked.--

I hate to keep harping on this narcissist thing but that's exactly what they do. They are ultimate control freaks and tend to the overt demonstration of that control even when it would serve their interest better to be subtle.
It beats the alternative method of pissing on everyone's boots to mark the extent of his territory I guess.

[Janet]

Of all the things the Indonesian Imbecile has done, this was the one that made me scratch my head the most.

The lefties are so childish. Like trashing the executive office bldg. & tearing off the "W" from the keyboards. Snorting, spoiled rotten kids that hate...these are our leaders now. It is too sad.

[daddy]

Porchlight,

Thanks for that link. Frighteningly informative.

OT,

The very good news is FOX News is now on tube in my Taipei Hotel, so hopefully all over Taipei. Excellent.

This may not seem like much, but in my opinion it is a big deal and long needed. It removes the monopoly influence of CNN International and BBC. Viewers actually have alternatives now---the standard left wing message shapers have an opponent.

FOX channel wise has a great location. Right at the beginning of the channel scale, number 2, then CNN is 3 BBC 5 etc. So they are prominent and not lost in the mid fifties numbers that nobody ever gets to.

Even better, is that during the spaces where advertising would normally appear, FOX just continues with smaller updates and news segments. And when I compare that to CNN, they still fill their ad spaces with nauseating, self-applauding ads about how wonderful their CNN reporters are. I can't think of any plot more deviously hatched than self-congratualtory ads to force viewers to change the channel. An excellent development.

[narciso]

When you're chasing the test pattern with HLN, such congratulations is unseemly, they
are coasting on their reputation, when they were the only name in news

[Jane says obamasucks]

Someone just told me that O has scheduled 2 hours for his little speech tomorrow nite. Could that be true? (What about the celts?)

[centralcal]

TWO HOURS? TWO HOURS?

The entire nation will be comatose after two hours of him droning on and on.

[narciso]

"Two hours, I'm dying over here,"

[Extraneus]

What? Only two hours? That's not nearly enough time to lay out how bad oil drilling is for the long-term health of the nation and, alas, the world. Surely they should go with four, minimum.

[Rick Ballard]

cc,

The ratings will stink as bad as he does. His measure has been taken and no one is going to waste any more time checking the micrometer to see if he grown.

[Threadkiller]

Two hours? I thought it was going to be two words:

George Bush!

[Sue]

2 hours? If he interrupts the Lakers/Celtics game, he's toast. I can't listen to the fool 2 minutes without hitting mute.

[Janet]

I hope he uses his staccato speaking style & looks from left to right a lot...and, and, lots of finger pointing. Yeah, that's the ticket. He seems so smart when he uses those gimmicks.

[Janet]

LOL, Threadkiller!

[Threadkiller]

Is that two hours with the commercials?

Oh, that's right, this whole dammed thing is a commercial!!

I ain't buying what he is selling.

[Extraneus]

Tennessee State Democrat legislator Janis Baird Son­tany of Nashville:

TN Dem attacks female Republicans: “You have to lift their skirts to find out if they are women.”

[Danube of Thought]

It won't be two hours. I'll guess 35 minutes.

[narciso]

It will just feel like two hours

[Sue]

Well that's 34-1/2 minutes too long.

[Jane says obamasucks]

I was just asking cause that's what someone told me. Maybe he thinks he is castro.

[fdcol63]

Obama, 2008: " ... this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal ..."

Obama, 2010: " ... I can’t dive down there and plug the hole. I can’t suck it up with a straw ..."

[Danube of Thought]

You won't be sorry you missed the Celts should that happen, Jane. They're going down tomorrow and again Thursday.

I'd love to see the guy go on for four hours like Fidel. Then the guys in the white coats could gently usher him out.

[Neo]

What is truly sad in all of this is that while this disaster continues, our wonderful "fearless leader" is busy trying to place blame and access a chunk of change.

I kind of get the feeling that if a "earth-killing" meteor was heading for the Earth, Obama and crew would be trying to blame somebody (who hasn't been an avowed enemy of the US) and set up an escrow account for the survivors (before doing a round of golf and flying off to a shelter while the rest of us are left to our own devices).

[fdcol63]

Gently ushered out?

Nah. I'd like to see them shoot him with a tranquilizer gun, strap him up in one of those leather straight jackets, and hauled out of there screaming hystericaly and incoherently at the top of his lungs.

[Jane says obamasucks]

They're going down tomorrow and again Thursday.

oh no no no - they will be wrapping things up tomorrow.

[daddy]

Another rhetorical racism question.

Just watched the Wolf Blitzer segment targeting Alvin Greene, the unknown who won the Dem Primary in South Carolina.

Since when did it become okay to seriously and sarcastically question a black candidate about his sanity, his background, his unfitness for office, his patterns of speech, his possible role in a conspiracy theory, and not get painted as racists simply for asking such questions?

[Janet]

Thanks fdcol63...those quotes are up on my Facebook page now.
It's embarrassing to have a President this embarrassing.

[matt]

daddy, isn't that what they did to us when we asked the same questions of Obama?

[fdcol63]

Blitzer and all the rest of America's liberals can whine about a Greene "conspiracy" all they want, but this fact will remain:

SC Dem voters voted for him in the Dem primary.

They were either too stupid or too uninformed to vote for someone else, or they voted for Greene primarily based on racial considerations.

[daddy]

Exactly Matt, Thats my point.

Its not even a double standard any more. It's a triple standard, or quadruple standard etc.

[fdcol63]

Indeed it is, Janet. Embarrassing, and disgusting. LOL

The Tea Party Movement has given me hope that we can yet salvage America, if we can reverse the damage that's already been done, but I remain afraid that Obama's election was a tipping point highlighting that 30+ years of liberal indoctrination through the MSM, academia, Hollyweird, and government bureaucracy have already destroyed America as we've known it.

[narciso]

And if this was the first instance of 'idiosyncratic' candidates, but no there was that lieutenant governor in Illionis who had
a similar 'checkered; record, to be charitable

[Danube of Thought]

The NY Times strafes and bombs the oil spill containment efforts.

He's lost 'em. He's in deep trouble.

[Janet]

Instapundit and Hot Air are quoting a voter that voted for Alvin Greene because it reminded them of Al Green the singer.
So I think our pessimism is justified fdcol63.

[Danube of Thought]

Lemme just give you a sampling:

From the beginning, the effort has been bedeviled by a lack of preparation, organization, urgency and clear lines of authority among federal, state and local officials, as well as BP. As a result, officials and experts say, the damage to the coastline and wildlife has been worse than it might have been if the response had been faster and orchestrated more effectively.

“The present system is not working,” Senator Bill Nelson of Florida said Thursday at a hearing in Washington devoted to assessing the spill and the response. Oil had just entered Florida waters, Senator Nelson said, adding that no one was notified at either the state or local level, a failure of communication that echoed Mr. Bonano’s story and countless others along the Gulf Coast.

“The information is not flowing,” Senator Nelson said. “The decisions are not timely. The resources are not produced. And as a result, you have a big mess, with no command and control.”

[Stephanie]

What if the big conspiracy was to put this fool into office, let him set the table with his exec orders, legislation and such, get him run out of town on a rail, and Biden is president and the dems say "so sorry, elect us again we have new leadership" and continue on down the path to ruin?

Would the 48% be stupid enough to go for it?

[narciso]

What part in the last 50+ days, did this dawn on the good Senator, better late than never but seriously

[fdcol63]

But all is not lost. Obama can still organize extravagant DC galas for celebrities like Sir Paul, play golf, AND find time to whine about BP's failure to plug the hole while chowing down on seafood with Gulf locals.

[Janet]

Perhaps...if Ashton Kutcher, Willie Nelson,and Snoop Dog told them to.

[fdcol63]

Conspiracy? Yeah. Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Saul Alinsky, and Antonio Gramsci got their Manchurian Candidate elected as POTUS.

And somewhere in hell, Frank Marshall Davis is laughing his ass off.

[Clarice]

TAMPA, FLORIDA (BNO NEWS) — Two people were arrested and weapons were found inside a vehicle that tried to gain unauthorized access to MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, Florida on Monday afternoon, authorities said. The base is also home to the U.S. Central Command.

“At approximately 5 p.m., two individuals tried to gain unauthorized access to MacDill AFB through the Bayshore Gate,” said Katherine Holt, a spokeswoman for MacDill. “Once the individuals were unable to show proper identification, their vehicle was inspected and Security Forces members found military-style gear and weapons.

[daddy]

Here's the">http://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/14/south-carolina-voter-i-voted-for-alvin-greene-because-his-name-reminded-me-of-al-green/"> video link to the idiot South Carolina voter Janet mentioned.

But the part that gets me is that this uninformed dimwit says she feels bad because due to her stupid vote, she feels she has made South Carolina a butt of jokes saying "We're rivaling Florida for the ridiculousness and I don't feel good being a part of that."

I believe that was a slap at the 2000 Election of Bush over Gore, so even though she's an absolute doofus, still she views the opposite political party as the dumb or corrupt ones come election time.

Audacious, and audaciously stupid.

[DebinNC]

I could have missed it, but I didn't see Obama mentioned once in that 5 pg. NYT piece on the spill.

[narciso]

"Barack Obama, never heard of him, better check the cables"

[Pofarmer]

From the NYT article.
[i]
Many experts also said that no plan could really fight this leak perfectly, and that the problem was more with the regulations that allowed it to happen in the first place. [/i]

[Pofarmer]

So, yes, it's still Bush's fault.

[Janet]

Perhaps in really blue areas we could get some Republican candidates to legally change their names to fool the Democrat voters...
a Bruce Springsteen in NJ
a Ben Jerry in Vermont
a Selena Quintanilla-Pérez in South Texas

[Pofarmer]

Again.

Adm. Thad W. Allen of the Coast Guard, the national commander for the spill, said in an interview that shortcomings in the response did not stem from the actions described in the plans, but from the risk assessment on which those plans were based.

It's not our fault, it's the crappy planning.

[Pofarmer]

Again.

Adm. Thad W. Allen of the Coast Guard, the national commander for the spill, said in an interview that shortcomings in the response did not stem from the actions described in the plans, but from the risk assessment on which those plans were based.

It's not our fault, it's the crappy planning.

[daddy]

Here's the lady who's running against the North Carolina Assaulter.

">http://www.reneeforcongress.com/"> Renee Ellmers.

She's a Nurse, and looks like from a small video at the bottom of the link she's anti-Health Care. She's also cute!

Suppose if she wins we'll have to give all the credit to Hillary Clinton, as I believe thats the new lefty talking point of why so many Repub women are winning elections.

[Pofarmer]

And Bobby Jindal needs to sit down, shut up, and play nice.

Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, for example, has drawn local support for his fact-filled critiques of the response plans, but every 48 hours a state representative cooperates on those same plans with BP and the Coast Guard.

“I told him, when he signs the plan he’s endorsing our projects,” said Captain Laferriere, adding that he and the representative sit in the same office. “Louisiana is still learning the process.”

[Strawman Cometh]

b4 cutting off local cable, gave it one more spin around the dial. Uberdorf interviewing J. Alter; hot tool-on-tool action. Executive summary: It's all Bush's fault. Details at 11, PM tomorrow

[Jeff]

Please ... none of these experts are fluid dynamic scientists ... they are all environmental nuts ... without a computer they couldn't even do basic math ...
Until someone talks about the measured pressure coming out of the well we are just making wild a** guesses ...

[Ignatz]

--I ain't buying what he is selling.--

I believe the IRS may have a different opinion on whether you contribute to the cause, TK.

[Janet]

Maybe I'll change my name to Cher or Liza Minnelli and run for Mayor of San Francisco. Could it be that easy?
This whole time we thought it was about ideology...but Obama showed us it was an "American Idol" type election. So maybe it will work.
Hey Detroit! My name is Dianna Ross & I'm asking for your vote this November. Motown Rules!

[Strawman Cometh]

Daddy,
She is, and smart, and a medical professional who understands one of the BIG ISSUEs . If I had any extra I'd give it to her. She's way behind cash-ways. Meant to point her out here previously, but got caught up in your wit.

[narciso]

I noticed that, when when i examined the credentials of the flow rate panel

[Danube of Thought]

For those who were wondering, let the record show that Krauthammer and Steve Hayes were on the Fox all-star panel together tonight.

[Ignatz]

--Maybe I'll change my name to Cher or Liza Minnelli and run for Mayor of San Francisco. Could it be that easy?--

No Janet. You also have to use a small saw around the circumference of your skull and empty your brain pan to make it a level playing field with the likes of Gavin Newsome.

[Strawman Cometh]

Hey Bill,
It's the headline, stupid.
Sarah, nor her advocates, never described her (self) as a Saint.

[narciso]

This is the rest of the 'we can't let a crisis go to waste' commission, the head of the NRDC, a university president who I think
ran against Murkowski some years ago,oh we're
in good hands now

[daddy]

Well Narciso,

I hope this new Oil Spill commission was screened more closely than the last Oil Spill commission, as I don't want Chu to have to come in again and fire any world class physicists for having anti-Gay Marriage views. Lets hope this things politically correct from the git-go.