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July 08, 2010

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Danube of Thought

Breaking news:

The son (a legal Mexican national) of our housekeeper (a legal Mexican national) reports that his common-law wife (an illegal Mexican national and the mother of his two children)
has been arrested in a park in Chula Vista and deported.

He needs her back in order to care for his children. A coyote will bring her across for the compact sum of $2,800. We have been asked to come up with $1,000 for this.

No can do.

Life twelve miles from the border...

Neo

Well ... I'm going to restrict my trips to Rhode Island to the same number of trips I make to Arizona.

Tally to last 10 years:
Arizona 0
Rhode Island 0

Rob Crawford

He needs her back in order to care for his children.

What a shame. He should take them back home to their mother and do what he can to support them there.

rse

I just posted this on the stimulus thread but it's too important not to link again.

The Dodd financial services legislation is loaded with race and gender quotas.

LUN is the Andy McCarthy report.

It was nauseating enough in Obamacare.

Plus of Obama's 7 appointments to the federal Board in charge of all education research funding, 5 are women.

Of the 7, 2 are black, one Hispanic, one Puerto Rican, and one from Guam who wants the Chimorro language and culture to be taught more.

Of the remaining 2, one was a French major whose specialty is now math education and the other is a sociology prof who writes about racial inequality and economic stratification in US society.

Now why on earth would an admin so interested in being post racial have any interest in Arizona?

Danube of Thought

He should take them back home to their mother and do what he can to support them there.

Would that it were that simple. He has no real chance of supporting them in Mexico these days.

Rob Crawford

Would that it were that simple. He has no real chance of supporting them in Mexico these days.

What a pity.

Clarice

He should have applied for her to get permanent residence status. Of course that would have required they marry, but that's one of the consequences of not having done so.
He may be able to do s now though the deportation might mean she;ll have to remain out of the country for several years before being allowed to return.(I do not recallthat for immigration purposes we recognize common law marriages.)

Send him to Mexico, get them married, have him apply for her.

An immigration lawyer might even be able to figure out a way that the deportation will be forgiven when she adjusts status so that she can care for the children sooner.

MayBee

I wonder why he didn't marry her and attempt to legalize her immigration status.

Thomas Collins

I have heard back from Arizona. The trespass provision is out; the alien registration documentation requirement provision replaced the trespass provision. I have a pdf file to the amended bill (post-trespass), but I don't know whether it can be linked here. Do any of you more computer savvy JOMers know how to link a pdf file here (I don't want to paste it to a post, because it would take up too much space).

Thanks again to MayBee, who pointed out that trespass was out.

DrJ

Send it to me, TC, and I will put it on my web site and provide a link here. info at sonatabio dot com

Thomas Collins

OK, DrJ.

Danube of Thought

Thanks, TC.

And thank you, Clarice. The whole tragic thing could have been avoided had he married her, but for reasons that aren't clear to us he has adamantly refused to do so. We really don't see that much of him, and have zero influence over him, but he seems to be a hard-working and trustworthy young man.

His mother has worked for my wife for 35 years and is like family. After we were married she followed us down here from L.A. She herself was illegal until the Reagan amnesty of 1986. She was brought across as a teenager by a coyote who took her out into the ocean at night from Tijuana clinging to an inner tube (she can't swim) and bringing her ashore at Imperial Beach.

Mustang0302

Why didn't he marry her?

¿Por qué compre una vaca cuando usted leche en lata ella a través de la frontera?

Mark O

No hay razon.

narciso

Eso es una falta de respeto. chico

Captain Hate

Inglés dammit.

narciso

It's a sign of disrespect,

Danube of Thought

With the trespass provision out, I'm not sure what the preemption argument is. As far as I'm aware, Arizona is not criminalizing illegal status, and will do nothing more than turn suspected illegals over to ICE. Am I wrong about that?

Mustang0302

narciso,

No engendré a niño con ella, ni recogeré cualquier ventaja para ese niño.

Jane

You know, it is fairly breathtaking how ignorant Obama is of the law, and how little he cares to find out. I don't know much about the law either but my goodness, if I was going to sue Arizona for an immigration law in Federal Court, I'd certainly check to see if there were any precedents in any other states.

Maybe the WH law books only include precedents in red states cause whatever the blue guys want to do, he totally approves of.

Of course I can understand the confusion at the DOJ. They are very busy making sure they can jimmyrig the next election by encouraging voter fraud.

Five things *you* can do

One of the reasons why he might have "no real chance of supporting them in Mexico these days" is because kindly people in the U.S. have encouraged 14% of Mex's working-age population to move here, depriving Mex of some of its more productive citizens. And, it's awfully difficult to find people who say things like that worrying about the *billions* of people who are even worse off.

P.S. In case anyone is willing to do a little work, there are five things you can do against the DOJ suit at my name's link.

pedro

Para continuar en Ingles, marque los dos.

Mustang0302

Who says we can't deport 12 million Mexicans?

Mexico did!

Parking  Lot

He makes children with her and needs her to take care of them but will not marry her? How sad.

Danube of Thought

"And, it's awfully difficult to find people who say things like that"

Like what?

Mustang0302

Watch Gibbs squirm.

Pagar

"He should take them back home to their mother"

What would Castro do? Remember Elian?

"She herself was illegal until the Reagan amnesty"

Once our government started handing out amnesty every few years, why would any one who could enter illegally put up with the
hassle of doing it legally?

Parking  Lot

re squirming Gibbs

Libbies sure do not function well without pre-programmed talking points, do they?

Mustang0302

Squirming Gibbs: an idendical orifice at each end of a tube of blubber.

Ali-G

Just send them all back to Mexico - don't want them don't need them...

Danube of Thought

"Once our government started handing out amnesty every few years"

Has it been done other than in 1986?

lyle

Amazing.

Gibbsy makes Scott McClellan(!) look competent.

Danube of Thought

Mattis to CentCom.

Mustang0302

The Warrior Monk. Good news, DoT.

Mustang0302

Mattis quote: "You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them. Actually, it's a lot of fun to fight. You know, it's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right upfront with you, I like brawling."

No better friend, no worse enemy.

DrJ

Here's a link to the two Arizona immigration bills.

Tom Collins did all the work, so the credit goes to him!

Holly

DOT,why the need for a cayote? The Texas border is very porous. Deportees are back within a month, without cayote assistance. We have several employees who have family members who do the same idiotic run-around as your housekeeper's son. One employee's brother-in-law's wife has been deported at least three times in the last five years or so. She's back in a month. No cayote. Cal BP must be more effective.

Rick Ballard

Jane,

The law is wholly immaterial in the matter. The racist bigot, Holder, will instruct his DoJ orc horde to file suit against the sun if it seems politically expedient to do so. Look at the promise to rewrite Sleazeball Salazar's moratorium on drilling should the injunction against it be upheld.

Obama and Holder's view of the law is that of the Red Queen - it means what they say it means and they have the power to make it stick - until November.

I want to see Holder's scrawny racist ass squirming on a seat in a Congressional hearing room within a week of the new majority being sworn in. I believe that Issa is quite willing to have the "frank discussion" about low life thieves that Holder bleated about.

Thomas Collins

Thank you, DrJ. However, all I did was forward the pdfs to you (which I suppose for me is somewhat of an accomplishment).

bgates

DoT - there was the Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act (NACARA) in 1997, which "provide[d] various forms of immigration benefits and relief from deportation to certain Nicaraguans, Cubans, Salvadorans, Guatemalans, nationals of former Soviet bloc countries and their dependents."

Not as broad-based as the 1986 law, or what Obama wants to do now, but perhaps enough to Keep Hope Alive.

Danube of Thought

"DOT,why the need for a cayote?"

The border isn't porous in this area. The fence starts at the ocean's edge and runs quite a ways east out into the desert (not sure how far).

daddy

OT,

Megan Kelly just did a fine job demolishing the Admin's lie that the folks responsible for the recess appointment of this new Health Czar (BerwicK) are Repubs. She had on the Dem talking head (can't recall the gal's name) but kept pressing her relentlessly and pulled out the quotes of the Socialist Berwick exactly when required. IMHO she is better prepared and informed in general than O'Reilly and does a heck of a lot better job at demolishing such BS than he does. Its unfortunate you guys with day jobs miss her show since they don't do reruns. Nice job Megan.

Jane

I want to see Holder's scrawny racist ass squirming on a seat in a Congressional hearing room within a week of the new majority being sworn in. I believe that Issa is quite willing to have the "frank discussion" about low life thieves that Holder bleated about.

You can't possibly want it as much as I do - well maybe you can. Then again, if his "steal the vote" plan works it might not happen.

You would have thought that the morons at Justice would have at least had an excuse ready for Rhode Island.

Sheesh

narciso

It's Rick Blaine's excuse about Casablanca,
"I came here for the waters, Mssr there are
no waters in Casablanca, oh I was mistaken"

Mustang0302

Another reason to admire Gen. Mattis:

“PowerPoint makes us stupid,” Gen. James N. Mattis of the Marine Corps, the Joint Forces commander, said this month at a military conference in North Carolina.

Amen.

Clarice

Speaking of DoJ, Adams also testified that the same shtick the nbp party pulled in Philly was played by Obama thugs throughout the primaries/probably in cooperation with ACORN.

He also said one of his bosses refused to enforce the federal motor voter law requiring states expunge the dead, felons, and other ineligible voters.

I am not for turning an election victory into an Inquisition but this stuff goes to the heart of our democracy. Repeal Obamacare; repeal motor voter.Reject amnesty, cap and trade.

Neo
HONOLULU

Gov. Linda Lingle's veto of legislation to grant civil unions to same-sex couples generated rumblings of a possible boycott of tourism-dependent Hawaii on Wednesday.

Gay-rights activists began discussing retaliatory actions within hours of Lingle's decision, but as of Wednesday had made no decisions.

Still, the Internet was abuzz with expressions of anger, with Twitter users from California to New York urging people to avoid the Aloha State and at least two mainland bloggers asking readers if a boycott was justified.


Yet another boycott ?

Is there an iPhone app to keep track of the many boycotts going on ?

Jane

Daddy,

I too am impressed with Megyn Kelly. I've got Rush live streaming and Kelly on the tube and I am pretending to actually work during all of it.

Clarice, it was Julie Fernandes at DOJ. Did you know Motor voter was the idea of Cloward and Piven? You would if you read You Too.

Clarice

Sorry, I didn't recall who initiated Motor Voter, but if the Reps don't repeal it and refuse to support any other cockamamie certain vote fraud bill again they are too dumb to exist.

centralcal

"Is there an iPhone app to keep track of the many boycotts going on?"

LOL! No kidding!!

Pagar

"Once our government started handing out amnesty"

"Has it been done other than in 1986?"

Change the wording from "handing out" to "proposing amnesty" and the result is the same. IMO, no illegal doubts that the American leftists are going to get ammesty passed because the leftists need the votes to continue their efforts to destroy this country.

JM Hanes

That's a great service to all, TC!

TM:

The provision you quote above attaches to apprehending those who are "bringing in and harboring" illegal aliens, i.e. the guy driving the truck, not the illegals he is transporting. Holder would certainly argue that enforcing federal law is not the duty of local enforcement officers -- except as designated by the Atty. General (or in this case, also DHS).

In any case, if you do a search on 1324 in the DoJ brief, you'll find it cited in numerous contexts.

Common sense is on the side of Arizona, as is a massive failure of the Feds to enforce Federal law, and/or to do so consistently. Alas, there is a vast legal and Constitutional chasm between Executive authority and Executive responsibility.

I suppose Arizona could conceivably gain some ground if they successfully argue a compelling and "legitimate state interest," in enforcement (dismissed out of hand by DoJ), but at this point, I'm expecting the DoJ to prevail on preemption. The Administration's political losses, however, as the issues and its record are aired, may be astronomical. Gov. Brewer started pushing serious Hot Buttons in her very first official reaction to the filing:

“The irony is that President Obama’s Administration has chosen to sue Arizona for helping to enforce federal immigration law and not sue local governments that have adopted a patchwork of ‘sanctuary’ policies that directly violate federal law. These patchwork local ‘sanctuary’ policies instruct the police not to cooperate with federal immigration officials.
You go, girl!

PDinDetroit

Yet another boycott ?

Maybe with enough travel boycotts, these idiots will have nowhere to travel to.

narciso

In other news, can someone explain wth is wrong with San Francisco, lately, in the LUN

Danube of Thought

IMO, no illegal doubts that the American leftists are going to get ammesty

I'm not so sure of that. I don't think they can do it even with this congress, and after November it sure ain't happening.

Danube of Thought

Rick's line was "I was misinformed." Which he of course pronounced "mishinformed."

Janet

Maybe with enough travel boycotts, these idiots will have nowhere to travel to.

Until finally they are cornered like rats in San Francisco! No sugar, no plastic, no fuel, no trans-fats, no morals, and now no pets!
Don Surber said, "If it is normal, San Francisco hates it."

Captain Hate

In other news, can someone explain wth is wrong with San Francisco, lately

A good starting point is Gavin Newsom; then start digging until you're overcome by the stench.

JM Hanes

Aside from the specific matter of SB 1070, there are other disturbing elements of the DoJ argument that I hope the Judge will address and/or reject. For example, the DoJ argues the Supremacy of Executive policy over state interests and state law, not just its exclusive authority to enforce Federal regulations and law.

This strikes me as having sweeping implications. Perhaps that's why DoJ decided to pursue that line of reasoning in the context of foreign policy, the one place where the President's exclusive purview is Constitutionally clear. Perhaps DoJ was a little too confident of its ground there, because the enormity of what they are suggesting seems equally clear -- at least to me. Consider paragraph #38 (starting on page 15). Sans citations, emphasis mine:

38. Because S.B. 1070, in both its singularly stated purpose and necessary operation, conflicts with the federal government’s balance of competing objectives in the enforcement of the federal immigration laws, its passage already has had foreign policy implications for U.S. diplomatic relations with other countries, including Mexico and many others. S.B. 1070 has also had foreign policy implications concerning specific national interests regarding national security, drug enforcement, tourism, trade, and a variety of other issues. [cites Calderon’s address to Congress in May] S.B. 1070 has subjected the United States to direct criticism by other countries and international organizations and has resulted in a breakdown in certain planned bilateral and multilateral arrangements on issues such as border security and disaster management. S.B. 1070 has in these ways undermined several aspects of U.S. foreign policy related to immigration issues and other national concerns that are unrelated to immigration.

Just imagine the number and scope of the injunctions that "subjecting the U.S. to direct criticism by other countries and international organizations" could generate! The mind boggles. There are other questionable assertions which deserve attention, and, of course, what would any DoJ brief be without a hat tip to the argument of last resort:

The Commerce Clause: Is there anything it can't do?

JM Hanes

LOL, Janet! You do my heart good.

glasater

Here's a link to Megyn Kelly's America Live! videos.

Today's videos are not up yet however.

fdcol63

I can't stand O'Reilly's bloviating. He likes to hear himself talk so much that he never listens to anything that his guests or others are trying to say.

PDinDetroit

I heart Megyn Kelly!

jimmyk

A good starting point is Gavin Newsom

Gavin Newsom is a symptom. Somehow the city attracted a citizenry that voted for this guy (and others like Willie Brown before him). Maybe it starts with Berkeley, or Haight-Ashbury and the summer of love, and all those people who never developed.

As much as New York City is similarly afflicted, it somehow manages to elect a grownup as mayor more often than not. (The city council, on the other hand, is insane.)

MarkO

The way he has mismanaged the oil spill, it seems Obama thinks the states have no right to protect themseves against that mess, either.

Mary

Just read a piece on how the financial bill also has racial quotas...who woulda thunk it from the KING of the WORLD!!

Barbara

How trustworthy is a man who refuses to marry the mother of his children?

Captain Hate

jimmyk, New York will only let the decay proceed so far before they strike back and jettison a loser like Dinkins before the entire city goes belly up. San Fran has a higher tolerance for garbage for whatever reason. Look at it this way: They tolerated Barry Bonds and his enormous 'roid melon for years. New Yorkers would've brutalized the bum.

Clarice

Taranto BOTW is caliente on this issue and the NYT editorial today.

JM Hanes

DoT:

"The whole tragic thing could have been avoided had he married her, but for reasons that aren't clear to us he has adamantly refused to do so."

Prolly already had a wife back home.

fdcol63

"Prolly already had a wife back home."

Didn't stop Barry Sr. LOL

PDinDetroit

Just one more reason I like Texas - LUN

Clarice

Gosh all these laws are so flexible:

"West Virginia's attorney general says Gov. Joe Manchin can put the late Robert C. Byrd's Senate seat on the ballot this November. Manchin requested a legal opinion from Attorney General Darrell McGraw, who issued it Thursday."

MSNBC

daddy

And we haven't even begun to consider the Pardons coming down the line once our Socialist Racist Prez becomes a lame duck.

Clarice

The AP reports all 10 arrested spies pleaded guilty in NY in preparation for a quick trip home. C

fdcol63

Does an honorary title of "Exalted Cyclops" come with the Byrd seat? LOL

narciso

So if you vote for the dead guy, who wins hypothetically

fdcol63

Obama will probably Free Mumia!

Ranger

Sorry, I didn't recall who initiated Motor Voter, but if the Reps don't repeal it and refuse to support any other cockamamie certain vote fraud bill again they are too dumb to exist.

Posted by: Clarice | July 08, 2010 at 02:49 PM

IIRC it was a Clinton inititive, just like waiving the requirement to speak English to become a naturalized citizen and the waiving of background checks for citizenship as the election date draws near.

Also, an R congress should start impeachment against at least three people:

1) Holder, for his violation of the constitution by allowing clearly racial based prosecution guidlines in the civil rights division.

2) Salizar, for lying to the court to defend the drilling moratorium.

3) Napallatno, for gross negligence in the Gulf Spill response.

Porchlight

OT,

David Goldman a/k/a Spengler: Americans Who'll Never Work Again

He predicts massive CCC-style government job programs to prop up unskilled/low-skilled employment. And we know who will control the purse strings and direction of those programs. Depressing on all fronts.

fdcol63

Want depressing? Consider how all these lower level Obama appointees in the Federal bureaucracy are changing the cultures in their various agencies and departments.

The rot that occurred during the Clinton years will pale in comparison.

Janet

Yeah fdcol63...the lower level appointees, and those that they hired are the people that are gonna give the next administration problems...because they have the media. Like State and some at the CIA for Bush.
Whoever runs for President better be STRONG, firm in their beliefs, and come with one hell of a posse.

Clarice

Why do you suppose the WaPo hasn't reported one word of the Adams' testimony or anything about the NBP case? I think it's because some of the people involved in this malfeasance were the Post's sources when Bush was president.

Clarice

The latest:
Judge Susan Bolton, appointed by Clinton has ordered this case be heard by her along with the other challenges.
It will be heard 7/22.

She has granted Mexico's motion to file a brief...I'm dying to see how they establish standing.

narciso

So, we're not entirely crazy down here, in the LUN

Pagar

" in preparation for a quick trip home."

My guess is home for at least one, may not be FAR>|.

From the LUN-----------

"Don’t look for this anywhere in the U.S. media, but last month Cancun’s former mayor , Gregorio Sanchez, who was also running for governor of Mexico’s state of Quintana Roo (which includes Cancun and the Caribbean “Mexican Riviera,”) was arrested and charged with a string of crimes including money-laundering and trafficking in drugs and illegal immigrants. Interestingly, Senor Sanchez is married to a Cuban Senorita named Niurka Sáliva, daughter of one of Fidel Castro’s top intelligence officials.

“But, Humberto!” you say. “Why should something so commonplace and provincially Mexican be reported in the U.S. media?”

Because the drug and human contraband (the later including Cubans, Russians, Chinese and perhaps al Qaeda-allied Somali terrorists) from this Mexican way station, courtesy of Gregorio Sanchez and his Castroite wife, were mostly bound for the U.S. –with Arizona a probable entry point. That’s why."

Jim Miller

George H. W. Bush had vetoed Motor Voter at least once, before the country decided to take a chance on the man from Hot Springs.

It was the first bill passed by the new Congress in 1993, and Clinton signed as (I believe) he had promised to do.

(Washington note: In 1993, Maria Cantwell was the congress critter representing WA 1 (my district) and co-sponsored the bill.

I have often wondered whether she owed her narrow senate victory over Slade Gorton in 2000 to the vote fraud facilitated by that bill. Her margin was so narrow -- just 2,229 votes -- that fraudulent votes could easily have determined the outcome, as they certainly did in our 2004 gubernatorial race.

No way to prove it one way or another now, I suppose.)

Danube of Thought

How trustworthy is a man who refuses to marry the mother of his children?

He's been trustworthy in his dealings with us, which have included occasional work in which he has free access to our house and property. I have no idea whether the mother of his children can trust him, nor do I know whether he is their biological father.

Danube of Thought

Clarice, I assume that would be an amicus brief.

Clarice

I assume so, DoT, but even then one must show some nexus to the dispute. I fail to see how Calderone has any legitimate interest in the federal system of the US.

In fact, I thought it was a sign of desperation that DoJ cited him and referred to foreign affairs in this matter.

Clarice

BTW $500k has already been contributed to Az for its defense.

Clarice

I don't know what the rule is in the Dist Ct but the FRAP and Sup Ct rules all require a movant for leave to file an amicus brief detail its interest in the matter.

narciso

Weigel is making a fool of himself, this time in Esquire

Danube of Thought

That's the way I recall it in the 9th Circuit, too. It's not as stringent as standing but not just anybody can file. Not sure what Mexico might assert...

Jane says obamasucks

The LA Ct refused to reinstate the moratorium on drilling.

Clarice

YAHOO!!


Now, I read earlier that the Administration was threatening to write up new rules immediately if they lost ..

We'll see.

rse

On Motor Votor-

At the Clinton signing of the legislation, there is footage of his shaking the hand of special guest, Frances Fox Piven.

That's right, as in the Cloward-Piven Strategy.

So it is an important aspect of trying to swamp America.

centralcal

Clarice: I heard the same thing on FNC when I was home for lunch.

Sue

Are you kidding me? Mexico has standing to file an amicus but freaking US citizens can't get standing to force the man in the WH to hand over his BC? We live in a mixed up world.

 centralcal

Holder gives me the creeps.

ASPEN, Colo. — Attorney General Eric Holder signaled here that the Justice Department may be conducting a sweeping criminal investigation into the Gulf Coast oil spill, saying that its suspected targets may cover more than just BP.


"There are a variety of entities and a variety of people who are the subjects of that investigation," Holder told CBS' Bob Schieffer at the Aspen Ideas Festival. "For people to conclude that BP is the focus of this investigation might not be correct."


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