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Bill in AZ sez it's time for Zero to resign

Heroes of the JournoList: I suppose in a world comprised of maggots, some maggots are better than other maggots.

Regarding the General Betray Us ad, some of them may have objected worried about what it would do to their agenda, but the net result of the JournoList was that they closed ranks and memory-holed it as quickly as possible.

Clarice

So, for example, were I to suggest it would be counterproductive to launch a campaign charging andrew sullivan's mom is not his mom, his sister is, I, too, could be a hero if I pointed out he has no sister.

Captain Hate

Heroes of Vichy Journalism. Notice that the trepidations are all strategic ones rather than ethical. Did any have the nads to say "I'm outta here because you loons are certifiable"?

Extraneus

The maggot analogy works for me.

Terry Gain

Interesting. People who write sensible comments aren't usually referred to as heroes. Usually, they are referred to as conservatives.

narciso the harpoon

Yes, the notion that Hitchens and even Martin Amis, came about, that trying to rescue Iraq
from the maelstrom, never dawns on them. And
the other point, goes without saying.

Appalled

Terry Gain:

Um, actually, the voices of sweet reason belong soley to us moderates. It's what we specialize in, even when there isn't much to be reasonable about...

Others:

Oddly enough, it seems like the best justification I have seen for JournoList, and other mechanisms like it (such as the washroom at the New York Times) is exxemplified at the LUN. (It's a lefty, so gird your loins...) Sometimes, it's helpful to learn that your argument is really distasteful, obnoxious, or stupid before putting it out into the world.

boris

"voices of sweet reason belong soley to us moderates"

If reason is defined as "touchy feely split the difference perception is reality" - ism.

narciso the harpoon

No, Taylor is occasionally sober, but there really is no comparison between disseminating
a lie that never happened, and receiving an edited tape. The problem is I've seen the truther argument not in comments, but in editorial copy, too many to name.

JM Hanes

A glimpse of sanity here, a bit of decency there, a modicum of restraint may be worth pointing out, but sheesh! How much lower can we set the heroism bar?

Brad DeLong

Did you really just call me a calm voice of reason and principle?

matt

This ranks right up there with McChrystal's suggestion for a "Courageous Restraint" decoration. Assclownism run rampant.

JM Hanes

Appalled,

I can't even count the number of self-serving editors who assert that getting hate mail from both sides of the political divide means they must be doing something right. I call it the Fallacy of the False Middle.™ In my experience, you will rarely find sweet reason's sweet spot at the center point between extremes.

narciso the harpoon

These people show themselves to be too stupid and vicious to me working anywhere, much less
have the pretense to 'vet' anyone for public
office, Truth is they have been abysmally wrong on all their judgements

Chubby

Clarice

maybe you can glean some generic verbiage off this page:

http://en-us.nielsen.com/content/nielsen/en_us/product_families/nielsen_tv_audience.html

Chubby

the full url

http://en-us.nielsen.com/content/nielsen/en_us/product_families/nielsen_tv_audience.html

narciso the harpoon

And speaking of things you wouln't want to pick up with a shoe, in the LUN

Chubby

three strikes and I'm out

Nielsen TV Audience Measurement

LUN

(but this is probably the wrong thread)

Chubby

(( you will rarely find sweet reason's sweet spot at the center point between extremes.))

especially in these upside down days when traditonal reason is considered by the middle to be extreme frightwing whackoism

Appalled

JMH:

In my experience, you will rarely find sweet reason's sweet spot at the center point between extremes

I suspect that's why you are a conservative.

My own thought, and it is somewhat germane to the topic, is that you will frequently find sweet reason lurking somewhere in the clash of ideas coming from both left in right.

Chubby

make that the faux middle

centralcal

Appalled - I clicked on your link to the Taylor Marsh blog and before it finished loading, Norton interceded and said it blocked an attack on my computer.

Appalled

centralcal:

Apologies. I want my ideas to go viral, not your computer. Seriously, thanks for the alert.

MayBee

Laura Rozen wrote the forward for Valerie Plame's stupid book. I've no doubt she isn't an entirely reasonable person.

Clarice

So if one person says it's midnight and another claims it's dan, the sweet middle says it's noon. Two people are still wrong and one of those could be the middle path goer.

Ignatz

--My own thought, and it is somewhat germane to the topic, is that you will frequently find sweet reason lurking somewhere in the clash of ideas coming from both left in right.--

This is fallacious reasoning of a rather high order, which moderates seem unduly alfflicted with. I suspect it is how they become moderates.

jimmyk

So if one person says it's midnight and another claims it's dan, the sweet middle says it's noon.

Ok, I can usually translate Clariceish into English, but this time I'm stumped both on literary and mathematical grounds. Though I get the point.

Ignatz

--Sometimes, it's helpful to learn that your argument is really distasteful, obnoxious, or stupid before putting it out into the world.--

Very true, but in this case, despite todays revelations, the Journolist functioned mostly as an echo chamber and served precisely the opposite function.

narciso the harpoon

It's very simple, Ockham's razor would have indicated she had been pregnant, they strove
to strip that fact away from her path, indulging the faux noir that Iowahawk sometimes sends up for fun. As for the other thing, we saw the grief that O'Hanlon and Pollack got for supporting the surge, because
it conflicted with 'the civil war' narrative

boris

"translate Clariceish into English"

I'll try ... If Dan says it's midnight and his mother claims it's wrong then two people on the middle path will be gored at noon.

jimmyk

This is fallacious reasoning of a rather high order, which moderates seem unduly alfflicted with.

Yes, for some reason King Solomon comes to mind. Also, I remember the widespread notion that somehow there was a happy medium between capitalism and communism called a "mixed economy", which really meant the liberal Democratic agenda.

jimmyk

Thanks, Boris, now I understand completely.

centralcal

Appalled - no need for YOU to apologize, but I did want to alert folks who may not have virus blocking software that something is going on at the site. Probably only temporary. Usually, bloggers find out through their commenters and get their IT people to clean house.

I agree with Clarice (and am semi-proficient in Clariceish - lol) about the habitual middle pathers.

Appalled

Ignatz:

Man is prone to error. Like minded men are likely to find their way to like minded error. You are going to think better if confronted regularly with folks who disagree with you, who are in a different place than you, but who are willing to argue in good faith.

boris

"who are willing to argue in good faith"

Good faith is not enough. There has to be common ground. There just isn't enough of that now.

boris

Dennis Prager covers some of that.

  1. Republicans want other people to suffer;
  2. Republicans make the world hate us;
  3. Republicans are holding us in the dark ages away from utopia
The one he missed is Cargo Cultism. If group X can prosper through effort and prudence ... then any group's so so effort and so so choices should produce equal prosperity ... and if not it's because group X is hoarding the propserity that justly belongs to all.

Pagar

Remember the William Ayers Obama Babysitting Story.

Nicedeb reports:


Apparently Journlist Ben Smith decided that story would not help the Obama campaign, so he killed it. I wonder just how much these leftist propaganda feeders did to defeat America?
Her article also reports a new Stanley Kurtz book out - Radical in Chief-----.
He was one of the few who pointed out in the 2008 campaign the radical beliefs of Obama.

centralcal

Dave Weigel has been hired to blog for Slate, which is owned by the Washington Post.

hit and run

Dave Weigel,after being fired by WaPo,http://www.nationalreview.com/media-blog/231455/dave-weigel-joins-i-slate-i-greg-pollowitz>now joins Slate.

Wait. What?

Slate is owned by The Washington Post Company.

hit and run

Dang,centralcal,you beat me again.

Like a rented mule.

Danube of Thought

Appalled, who's your all-time favorite Moderate Hero?

JorgXMcKie

@Appalled, at 7:30PM EDT, that link crashed my Firefox. I got it back up easily, but it was kind of odd.

Jane

I was getting my oil changed today and they have Dave weigel on the TV - MSNBC. He's one ugly dude and he said absolutely nothing for about 5 minutes. Sheesh how do these people get jobs?

Ignatz

--Ignatz:

Man is prone to error. Like minded men are likely to find their way to like minded error. You are going to think better if confronted regularly with folks who disagree with you, who are in a different place than you, but who are willing to argue in good faith.--

As a generality that is true enough.
But an astronomer is unlikely to have his study of quasars improved by the critique of an astrologer. If one side of an argument starts every discussion from a flawed premise there is no sweet spot of reason between the two ideas, only a mushy and somewhat unreasonable amalgam of truth and fiction; which describes a lot of things moderates believe.
The left is so profoundly wrong about almost everything that the position they occupy of the leftward pole should be set aside for reasonable people like you with the sweet spot of reason somewhere to your right.
Those to your left are for the most part unreasonable enough that they ought to be fitted with long tin bills and relegated to picking shit with the chickens.

Ah, to be a Newbie again.

Years ago I noted that the blogosphere is wonderful because arguments don't have to end in fisticuffs, or worse yet, agreement.
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PaulY

What does the former governor of IL have to do with blogoshere? If it is named after him, did he invent it?

qrstuv

The problem with the idea of the moderate "middle" is that it tends to take its definitions of the extremes from the narrative of the left.

Leftists talk about an extreme right that is sexist, bigoted by skin skin, hating science, wanting a theocracy, etc., etc. In other words, a complete strawman.

So the center between that strawman and the very real statist extremist of the far left feels like a comfortable position.

But that's silly because that "extreme right" position is one of fantasy.

So what is "far right"?

What do you get when you take conservative principles to their extreme?

Per philosoblog, I say that conservatives principles by definition are balanced. They are drawn from a web of connected values that are tradeoffs from each other. (He puts it better than I do, so I won't try here.)

So what does it mean to take a compromise position between a compromise position (conservatism) and statism?

Same as mixing ice cream with dog poo.

 Ann  Squaredance

Good article on the media:

Andrew Klavan
Empire of Silence

JM Hanes

Appalled:

JMH: In my experience, you will rarely find sweet reason's sweet spot at the center point between extremes

Appalled: I suspect that's why you are a conservative."

I'm not seeing a logical connection between my observation and your conclusion. Indeed, my positions on a whole range of issues are not particularly conservative at all. You cast yourself as a moderate, but that's simply a relative term with almost no commonly understood substance of its own.

 Ann  Squaredance

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Journalists, Progressives, America's Ruling Class

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November 2010!!!

Disclaimer: I normally love birds but I am trying to make a statement. Just wanted all of you to know the context which is so important all of a sudden!

Chubby

((The left is so profoundly wrong about almost everything))

And on top of their wrongness they are intellectually dishonest, never fully disclosing what they are really thinking or doing.

For example, the talking point that they are currently flinging around, that the GOP is trying to stir up resentment toward other races among its "extremely" white base is a totally false statement, the exact opposite of the truth. The true purpose for publishing such inflamatory rhetoric is to stir up resentment against white Republicans in all the black people who vote Dem.

Of course they can't come out and say that, they have to dissemble and hide their true goals.

This is the means by which the wolfish string pullers wreak manipulated conflict while projecting themselves as harmless, lambs. While projecting the flim flam that butter doesn't melt in their mouths, the conflicts that they've manipulated into being ignite, bringing them closer to their desired but unstated ends.

bunkerbuster

Racism has no widely agreed on definition in America. Even worse, it is typically held to describe a state of mind, rather than a set of behaviors.
While conservatives can credibly argue that their state of mind is not racist, they can't rationally deny that the policies they advocate, across the board, allow no disadvantage for the majority ethnic and religious group: i.e. Christian whites.
It is possible to oppose affirmative action and not be racist. It's possible to oppose expanding immigration from Mexico and not be racist. It is even possible, to believe that Christian whites are persecuted in America without being a racist.
Yet you cannot believe any of those without pitting yourself politically against the interests of non-whites in one way or another. And when you take ALL those positions, if you are rational, you'll have to acknowledge that an ethnic minority would have good reason to suspect that you may be taking those positions out of some insecurity or animosity toward non-whites. So even if I accept that you don't have a racist state of mind, we still have to deal with the fact that policies you advocate are mysteriously, consistently aligned with the political interests of your own race and religion.

hit and run

JMH:
Indeed, my positions on a whole range of issues are not particularly conservative at all.

The Political Compass post a Q-Blog appears to have lost the image plotting various JOMers' positions. I found the post,but the image was unavailable. I distinctly remember your position was in the lower left quadrant,a rather lonely position amongst the regulars here.

I don't know why we don't shun you more,in fact. You're an outsider. An "other". You should also be an outcast! We only like lock-steppers in this bunker of hive-like identity conservatives,doncha know.

And yet . . . why do we love you so?

To quote TM on a recent thread: "What Kind Of A Sorry Right Wing Noise Machine Are We Running Here?"

What is happening to us around here? It's almost as if what "they" have said about us crazy right-wingers is not true. But that can't be . . . I mean, to believe that would mean believing that "they" would lie to us. "They" wouldn't lie to us . . . about us . . . would they?

Jane

Actually Hit, that is one of the coolest things about JOM. I'm not religious but some of my favorite threads happen when people start talking Christianity, and their own religious beliefs. And I never ever feel the least bit cowered here when I go on about the gays. That's why the trolls fail so dismally here. WE can't be stereotyped and that's all they have. Just ask Bubu. (Actually don't)

narciso the harpoon

What we have in common is more important than
any particular distinction, btw, Laura really
fluffed off the Journolist last night, on the Factor, specially their Trig sniping. Jane what's the contact number for your station, Dick was driving me to distraction, with his
dismissive action


In other news, the Daily Mail reluctantly captures the portrait of the Okhanitsa, second dicture, showing she is the Momma Grizzley, in the LUN

bunkerbuster

Jane, the reason I use the terms wingnut and identity conservative to describe the typical commenter here is that I don't want to smear conservatives in general. There are plenty of smart, intellectually honest, principled conservatives around whose disagreements with me would be strictly on questions of ideology. Tony Blankley, George Will, David Frum (to a certain degree) and so on. On the other hand, the wingnutosphere/Fox/talkradio is chockablock with identity conservatives who actually have very little in common ideologically with true conservatives. So to avoid stereotyping conservatives, I make the distinction. Would that you would do the same for liberals.

narciso the harpoon

We don't rightly care what you think spunkmeyer, if you deign to enter Thunderdome
though, bring a decent LUN, though. Sorosphere
doesn't count

Appalled

JMH:

If I cast myself as a Conservative on this board, I would be hooted from the stage. I do tend to view myself as center-right, rather than center-left, but am not afraid to take an idea or two from the left, particularly on social issues, sometimes on foreign policy, rarely on economics. I believe the tea party movement is a good thing for the Republicans, because its focus on economic issues, the appropriate size of government, and debt, is a more congenial place for me, than the Tom DeLay focus on how the government could help force society back to a different place. One thing I believe pretty firmly is that it is govenment's place to take orders from the people, rather than attempt to order society in some preferred method. I also thnk the Constitutional model of checks and balances was sheer genius, and one that should be emulated in other parts of society

Where I have gotten into disagreements with you all has been on the Iraq war, the vitues and defects of certain personalities, and various scandals. I guess I am part of that crew that Clarice calls the "clean toga" squad -- in that I don't have any use for people who abuse their power, including Republicans, particularly when that abuse goes against folks who did not sign on the play the game of politics.

Where do I stand now? I stand amazed, looking at Obama, who has been handed perhaps the best chance to demonstrate leadership given any modern American president (including W and Reagan), and frittering that opportunity away, because he was obsessed with the parts of the Democratic agenda that most assuredly did not get him elected. Obama's fall, to me, very much looks like W's, and I really think I am going to hate the next two years. I can't say I have liked the last two.

Rocco

I'm with you there Jane, a nonbeliever. But I do believe this country's founding by christian principles was a good thing and the reason we became the greatest nation on earth so quickly. Is there another country out there anywhere that believes their rights come from a power greater than government, thus inalienable? I don't think I've ever mentioned my non belief out here except for a hint here or there for fear of starting a debate I don't wish to enter.

I once read Scalia state that the most important thing about our constitution is that it guarantees the rights of the minority from the will of the majority. Isn't that what makes our constitutional republic different from a democracy? (Mob rule...if men outnumber women, we could vote rape legal, right?) Well, isn't the right to love one of those human rights that come from a power greater than government...a Human Right?

What a great picture narciso! I remember how hard my heart was pounding when I was standing 12 feet up a tree with only a bow in my hand with a huge black bear standing underneath me at the base of the tree. She had 3 cubs and I thought she was going to come up the tree after me. Boy I thought I was a gonner that day! I can't imagine being that close to a grizzly. I like her more and more every day!

Captain Hate

On the other hand, the wingnutosphere/Fox/talkradio is chockablock with identity conservatives who actually have very little in common ideologically with true conservatives.

Name names or STFU. Btw, have you responded to TC's challenge?

Captain Hate

On the other hand, the wingnutosphere/Fox/talkradio is chockablock with identity conservatives who actually have very little in common ideologically with true conservatives.

Name names or STFU. Btw, have you responded to TC's challenge?

Captain Hate

I hate this fucking laptop

narciso the harpoon

Well Appalled, I held no illusions about Obama
before, because my family had recognized the type, fifty years ago, in his grand but ultimately delusional oratory.and the paucity of any sign of leadership either in the legislature or in the Senate, a corrupt machine pol. It is a shame really, he did have such an opportunity and he squandered it,
because he is 'the Sorcerer's apprentice playing Alinsky'

Chubby

Cap

He posted elsewhere that Rush and Fred Barnes are not true conservatives but David Frum is. I betcha he thinks Peggy Noonan was a true conservative when she voted for Obama and now is not a true conservative because she regrets it lol

narciso the harpoon

Just in case, you had any delusions about what
kind of rat, Assuange and his source, were in the LUN, should dissabuse you

narciso the harpoon

And proving that Cameron is soggier than a wet crumpet, in the LUN

Chubby

mama grizzly meeting mama grizzly ... it's almost a religious sign :)

hit and run

Rocco:
I remember how hard my heart was pounding when I was standing 12 feet up a tree with only a bow in my hand with a huge black bear standing underneath me at the base of the tree.

In Colorado,the bears are now http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100727/od_nm/us_bear>wielding cars as weapons.

Love those pics,narciso. But why does the second one have this caption:

"Mrs Palin looks bewildered after the encounter at Wolverine Creek in Alaska"

Looks bewildered?

By the way,how big is the fish Todd has on his line in that pic?

narciso the harpoon

I know they can't do captions in Perfidious Albion either, but it's better than the odious TMZ link

Porchlight

Is there another country out there anywhere that believes their rights come from a power greater than government, thus inalienable?

Rocco,

No, there isn't, not that I know of anyway. One doesn't need to be a believer to comprehend how that sets America apart. The idea that the government has only the powers that the people choose to give to it is so radical that two hundred some years later, the left still can't get their heads around it. ;)

Pagar

It dawned on me last night that we have been setting here for a week talking about 400 leftist fraudsters who engineered the election of Obama and his leftist friends. Meanwhile we don't have a clue who the thousands are who are writing the multi thousand page bills that no lawmaker reads before voting on them. As near as I can tell, not a single person is representing us when these nation destoying bills are written? Every time an unread bill is voted on it seems the Democrats are able to sucker some Republican lawmaker in to siding with the leftists. My question is why aren't we getting more support from the lawmakers that are supposed to be on our side?

DebinNC

Since the JournoListers claim they were merely social networking, Jim Treacher suggests we start calling it SociaList.

narciso the harpoon

Well the Journolist sets the template, the Apollo Alliance, and other groups in the Fenton archipelago, set the agenda, and the framework to carry it out

MayBee

Yet you cannot believe any of those without pitting yourself politically against the interests of non-whites in one way or another. And when you take ALL those positions, if you are rational, you'll have to acknowledge that an ethnic minority would have good reason to suspect that you may be taking those positions out of some insecurity or animosity toward non-whites.

There is a problem when we've made it so it is in the self-interest of (some) minority groups to desire race-based benefits.

When you set the system up so it is more beneficial to claim you are discriminated against than it is to say you are equal, what do you think people are going to say?

Rocco

Can you imagine seeing a bear in a car rolling down a hill? Hillarious! They say black bear are basically cowards and run away when alarmed by humans, unless we get between them and their young. We used bait to hunt, doughnuts and apples and a mixture of anise oil, barbecue sauce, molasses, and bacon grease which the guide starting boiling in a coffee can with a propane torch getting the smoke all over the branches of the tree the bait was in. Then he sprinkled 2 packages of rasberry jello on a log under the bait and I'll never forget seeing those cubs lick that powder up with their rasberry colored tongues! They were cute....mom scared the hell out of me!

Chubby

((Meanwhile we don't have a clue who the thousands are who are writing the multi thousand page bills that no lawmaker reads before voting on them. ))

Pagar, I stumbled on this quote last week that was new to me, though possibly you already know it.

“It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood.”
James Madison

Chubby

((Then he sprinkled 2 packages of rasberry jello on a log under the bait and I'll never forget seeing those cubs lick that powder up with their rasberry colored tongues! They were cute....mom scared the hell out of me!))

maybe where I don't fit as a conservative is that I hate bait hunting .. did you kill the mother and the cubs?

Jane

Since the JournoListers claim they were merely social networking, Jim Treacher suggests we start calling it SociaList.

Priceless!

Captain Hate

Btw, was there any commentary yesterday about the successful blockage in the Senate of Schmucky Sleaze's attempt to override the Supreme Court's ruling on campaign finance snuffing free speech? 57 commies (58 since Les Nessman Reid changed his vote when he knew it was hopeless) weren't enough to turn the Constitution to toilet paper.

Rocco

No I didn't Chubby, the cubs wouldn't have survived if I had killed the mother. They came in 2 nights in a row. The first night they came in about 6:15 and about a half hour later (15 minutes before dark) the mom and a cub both sat up quickly, looked in the same direction and hurried off. I made a little noise, climbed out of my tree stand and hurried out of the woods before dark. The guide said those bear hurried out of there because a male bear was coming in. He said the only thing a bear is afraid of is another bear and a male will kill the cubs to breed the female. We had to re bait in the morning and they came in again the next night at 5:30 and stuck around until 7:00. I watched her for a total of 2 hours on 2 different nights. If that had been a male bear, I'd have shot!

Chubby

glad to hear it Rocco ...

Porchlight

Cap'n, I didn't see much commentary other than a thread at HotAir.

My fear is that the bill will be back with a different set of carveouts and at that point the Maine twins (and Graham and Brown) will be more than happy to sign the Constitution away.

Pagar

Thanks Chubby, We can see " or so incoherent that they cannot be understood.”

the Results here.

The SEC has had written into law that it is exempt from public disclosure.

Rocco

Jane

How fitting, especially in light of the research Trevor Loudon's doing. (one of Pager's favorites and should be required reading as far as I'm concerned)

Melinda Romanoff

SEC's ok to commit fraud now?

How's about some well known banks getting a free pass or actively committing fraud.

And they donated primarily to whom in the last election cycle?

Thieves.

Ignatz

--While conservatives can credibly argue that their state of mind is not racist, they can't rationally deny that the policies they advocate, across the board, allow no disadvantage for the majority ethnic and religious group: i.e. Christian whites.--

Another perfect demonstration by bubu of the "mind" of an "identity" leftist.
In his world, a person who strives for a color blind society, who wants no one disadvantaged, is obviously a racist.
Meanwhile a person who has lower expectations for minorities than whites, who advocates program after program which locks monorities into the poverty of dependence on government, who wants people treated differently precisely because of the color of their skin is obviously not.

MayBee

In his world, a person who strives for a color blind society, who wants no one disadvantaged, is obviously a racist.

Exactly.
We are also creating incentives for people to claim they are disadvantaged. It isn't racist to recognize that's a perverse incentive.

Jane

You nailed it Ignatz.

Pagar

Great Link Rocco, New Zeal is one of my favorites because he believes, like I do, that we are facing Communist takeover of America if we can't get enough of the voters to work to stop it.

bunkerbuster

Capt. Bigot: What's "TC's challenge"? Identity conservatives include Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter...

Captain Hate

Shuttlecock, Thomas Collins gave you his email address to contact him about a face to face meeting for calling us all racists. He needn't worry about your offending me because I don't take anything you say seriously. I think you owe him the courtesy of a response, even if it's to decline.

The three you mention promote conservative ideas continually; the burden is on you to cite things they've said which are at odds with what you describe as "true conservatives".

tommy mc donnell

to bunkerbuster if your opposed to affirmative action because it makes you a victim of racial discrimation which we were all told was made illegal by the civil rights movement. then your opposing something thats good for another race. well wouldn't that have been true of the civil rights movement too.

bunkerbuster

Capt. Bigot: that's hilarious. so you guys call Obama, liberals etc. all kinds of names, but when some slags on you, you want a face to face meeting? Such hypocrisy. Grow up!

Tommy Mcd: I don't understand your question. Are you saying opposing affirmative action is the same as opposing the civil rights movement? If so, I'd say it's not the same at all...But, again, I'm not sure what you're actually asking there...

Captain Hate

hypocrisy: Another word Shuttlecock doesn't understand.

Rob Crawford

Captain, there are lots of words Bubu doesn't understand. Remember -- he's a sub-minimum wage drone who doesn't really comprehend anything that gets discussed around here; he just runs a script that requires him to call people "bigot" and "hypocrite".

bunkerbuster

Domo Arigato Rob! I appreciate your effort, even if the results are banal.

bgates

you will frequently find sweet reason lurking somewhere in the clash of ideas coming from both left in right

On the right, we think the Holocaust shouldn't have happened. Among Appalled's fellow Obama supporters in Hamas, they think it didn't go far enough. I guess the moderate position must be that Hitler killed just enough Jews.

Republicans wanted slavery abolished. There were undoubtedly some hard-line Democrats who thought the blacks were being granted entirely too much free time in the plantations. I guess Appalled's moderate position would have been for a lifetime of indentured servitude, with perhaps freedom for the next generation.

Midway between an atrocity and the right thing is another atrocity.

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