Voices From The Grave

From the Times:

Governors Voice Grave Concerns on Immigration

Apparently Obama's idea of suing a state for enforcing the immigration laws while unemployment lurks near 10% is not viewed as a political winner by Democratic governors:

BOSTON — In a private meeting with White House officials this weekend, Democratic governors voiced deep anxiety about the Obama administration’s suit against Arizona’s new immigration law, worrying that it could cost a vulnerable Democratic Party in the fall elections.

...

At the Democrats’ meeting on Saturday, some governors bemoaned the timing of the Justice Department lawsuit, according to two governors who spoke anonymously because the discussion was private.

“Universally the governors are saying, ‘We’ve got to talk about jobs,’ ” Gov. Phil Bredesen of Tennessee, a Democrat, said in an interview. “And all of a sudden we have immigration going on.”

He added, “It is such a toxic subject, such an important time for Democrats.”

My preferred crypto-headline - Dem Governors Eye Falls, Barrel, Send Regrets.

Comments

[Clarice]

I just read an interesting article saying voters in Iowa are outraged by the Administration suit and support Arizona. Would you say thatIvy grads Holder and Obama have rotten political instincts?I would.

Would you say the non-Ivy league degreed Sarah and Gov Brewer are political geniuses?
I would.

At the moment they've checkmated the two men.The best Obama can hope for is a quick loss in court.

[Clarice]

I have twice posted the URL to that case and twice typhus ate it.

[Old Lurker]

But these guys are so tone deaf, like the drilling moratorium that was quickly shot down, they will appeal.

Rick's famous "Credentialed Moron" title applies.

[Clarice]

In other voices from the grave or not--AP reports the Swiss will NOT extradite Polanski, citing the US govt's failure to provide them with the confidential transcripts of the sentencing in CA

[PaulL]

I already posted this in a thread from yesterday, but I wouldn't want anyone to miss it: Nat Hentoff calls Ibama a liar and the most dangerous and incompetent president we have ever had.

LUN

[gmax]

Think of the consequences of Holder winning his suit. I am sure these credentialed morons have not thought that far ahead, but as mad as voters are, wont that shine the very bright spotlight on Mr. 1200 is the limit for National Guardmen on the border?

I dont see a path to win here, and there are no rainouts in lawsuits, this match will have a conclusion.

[Old Lurker]

gmax, among the really bad things that a Holder win will establish is the notion that the president can intrude on any state matter that offends some foreigner somewhere. Sort like the Commerce Clause on steriods in its sweep.

[Janet]

If anyone would like to make a donation for Arizona's legal defense, here is the info -
keepazsafe.com

[tommy mc donnell]

the colonization is the left's hope to take over the country. it must go on regardless of the consequences to the democratic party. obama is part of the leftist cabal that controls the democratic party, they could care less about what happens to it. their real party starts with a c not a d.

[rse]

So the WaPo is lamenting that the Oil Spill is not Producing the kind of Demand for Green Energy they had hoped and planned for?

LUN is not to the WaPo itself.

Raise your hand if you wonder if the reason the foreign skimmers were not allowed to stop the oil from reaching shore had something to do with the political usefulness of awful images.

[jimmyk]

PaulL, that Hentoff piece is remarkable. Not completely surpsrising, as Hentoff is one of a handful of left-leaning pundits with integrity. (Perhaps in his case "left" and "right" are misleading.) But the ferocity of his language is stunning. This can't bode well for the Dems.

[Janet]

LUN an Am. Thinker article on the new sex ed. curriculum planned for Helena Montana.
Who wrote these and which organizations helped?

Leftist organizations - whether environmental or sex/sexual orientation ones - are taking over our public schools. Their "ideas" trump everything. It's like the tyranny of the weirdo groups.

[Janet]

My hand is raised rse.

[Janet]

If our public schools start promoting sodomy in the 5th grade we have FAILED our children.
We condemn them to a life of disease and depravity. What other degrading acts will these groups want to teach our children? When do we say NO?

[Pofarmer]

Religion of peace strikes again

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/uganda/7885111/Al-Shabaab-Islamists-suspected-in-deadly-Ugandan-World-Cup-bombings.html

[jimmyk]

I would prefer to frame the immigration issue as one of security and rule of law rather than jobs, jobs, jobs. Immigration has virtually zero impact on unemployment, and claiming otherwise distracts from the more legitimate concerns about crime, the drain on social services, even terrorism.

[narciso]

This other AT link, by Stuart Schwartz, is particularly distressing, do you know that
Berwick called cesareans and ultrasounds
'assaults', that he sought for himself the care he would deny others. Ladies and gentleman, the Grand Inquisitor of Health Care, in the LUN

[Rick Ballard]

OL,

The suit has to be viewed in the context of the '12 election rather than the '10 election. The Kendonesian commie absolutely needs the illegal vote to hold NM, CO, NV and FL, with FL being the big prize.

Stephanie had an interesting comment the other day about the other prong of his re-election campaign - promoting dependence through actively pushing food stamps to college students. He needs a throng of feckless youth to get out and "help" fill in absentee ballots in '12 (under the thoughtful guidance of the poli-sci vermin infesting our institutions of higher indoctrination).

He's definitely a party man - it just ain't the Democrat Party.

[Clarice]

I can honestly say I have never seen such a bizarre collection of presidential appointees as Obama's.

[Captain Hate]

jimmyk, Hentoff is a classic liberal which in the balkanized political world of illiteracy we have today would be called "conservative". He has so much integrity that when I disagree with him I tend to critically scrutinize where I'm coming from.

Janet, what do you expect from a field where Ayers is regarded as an expert? The schools are beyond the point of no return.

[tommy mc donnell]

it was always the strategy of the left to put enough people on the dole to out vote the people who pay taxes. they may have finally reached that point. if want to keep our freedom we must fight for tax repeal at every level of government. the left is using our own labor to enslave us. the more we work the more money they get to enslave us.

[Pagar]

"Immigration has virtually zero impact on unemployment,"

This statement is based on ??????????????

First of all, there are two kinds of immigration.
One is called legal, for a reason.

The other is called illegal, also for a reason.
IMO, there is no way that the word immigration can be used alone in any meaningful discussion. This doesn't apply just to the US, but every country.
be

[Old Lurker]

Agreed, Rick.

[narciso]

The Germans are no longer impressed by Krugman, I know what took them so long

[Old Lurker]

Wonder what Mel thinks of the LUN (from Drudge).

[DebinNC]

WaPo also features a piece today on Dem governors' discontent, featuring lame duck TN Gov. Bredesen. I bet Dem internal polling shows Obama ripe for a reelection challenge from his right. Hopefully, Warner-Bayh-Webb's Obamacare/Porkulus votes doomed their chances.

[Danube of Thought]

Minus 13 at Raz today.

[fdcol63]

The damage Obama and his advisers are doing to the country is unforgiveable, long-lasting, and in many ways irreparable.

The sooner they are gone, the better.

[DebinNC]

WaPo again:
The economic problems brought huge increases in federal spending under Obama, which has triggered a backlash among Republicans and many independents...

The Obama/Pelosi Dems didn't bring us the huge increases in federal spending, the economic problems did.

[Old Lurker]

Doesn't it look like Hilary is making her move to replace Zero in 2012? That story over the weekend about how the DNC knowingly allowed Obama to steal the causcus states and deny her the nomination, coupled now with a number of stories of discontent about the commie running the WH sure does have a Clinton smell to it. Plant the seeds now and spring the trap after the fall elections assuming they are bad for the Dems. They are probably shopping for a white horse right now.

[Old Lurker]

Boy adding Spellcheck to Typepad would change life here, would it not?

[Clarice]

Looks like it..OL..And if Drudge's snaps of Oman aren't photoshopped he looks mighty desperate.

[Neo]

Historic oil spill fails to produce gains for U.S. environmentalists

For environmentalists, the BP oil spill may be disproving the maxim that great tragedies produce great change.

Traditionally, American environmentalism wins its biggest victories after some important piece of American environment is poisoned, exterminated or set on fire. An oil spill and a burning river in 1969 led to new anti-pollution laws in the 1970s. The Exxon Valdez disaster helped create an Earth Day revival in 1990 and sparked a landmark clean-air law.

But this year, the worst oil spill in U.S. history -- and, before that, the worst coal-mining disaster in 40 years -- haven't put the same kind of drive into the debate over climate change and fossil-fuel energy.

Environmentalists are much more like battered spouses, returning again and again to their abuser based on another promise to do good.

[jimmyk]

This statement is based on ??????????????

The LUN is anecdotal, but makes the point that low-skill immigrants (legal and illegal) by and large take jobs that native-born Americans won't take. I think it's bad for the Republicans if they start scapegoating immigrants (legal or illegal) for the unemployment rate. We can blame Obama for that based on his tax increases, Obamacare and all the other regulatory disasters.

[narciso]

There is such a thing as a learning curve, the Esso and Exxon spill produced counterproductive results, in so many ways, it made us much more dependent on the vagaries
of the OPEC member nations

[DebinNC]

I'd like to ask Robin of Berkeley whether she thinks Obama is capable of not running for reelection. What face saving alternative could Dems arrange that he'd accept? The UN gig doesn't seem grandiose enough.

[Rob Crawford]

The LUN is anecdotal, but makes the point that low-skill immigrants (legal and illegal) by and large take jobs that native-born Americans won't take.

"Won't take" at the pay illegals will work for, in the conditions illegals will tolerate, particularly since being on public assistance pays better.

Cut the dole, chuck the illegals, and suddenly those jobs will be filled with "native-born Americans".

[Rob Crawford]

The UN gig doesn't seem grandiose enough.

ISTR that Americans are barred from serving as the Secretary General.

[Neo]

In a world without air conditioning, a warmer, more flexible, more relaxed workplace helps make summer a time to slow down again. Three-digit temperatures prompt siestas. Code-orange days mean offices are closed. Shorter summer business hours and month-long closings -- common in pre-air-conditioned America -- return.

Not only should air conditioning be banned, but all autos not within CAFE standards should be banned from federal property in D.C. .. no exemptions

[Rob Crawford]

Come to think of it though, maybe that won't be a problem for Obama...

[Old Lurker]

"ISTR that Americans are barred from serving as the Secretary General."

Your point?

[Jane]

Hillbuzz is looking for strategies to force the DNC to examine Obama's 2008 voter fraud.

Obviously this will bring more pressure on the brewing Holder voter intimidation scandal.

If you have any let them (and us) know.

[Old Lurker]

You beat me, Rob.

[matt]

just to put some perspective on the world we live in, this headline from the Telegraph should help us understand the depths to which our legal and ethical leadership have plunged.

Doesn't matter whether here or the UK, our "leadership" class is depraved and dissolute.

Watching the Harry Potter movie on ABC last night was an education on the politically correct dumbing down of America. There were more scare commercials than I can remember in living history.

Reading Vanity Fair in the doctor's office the other day, I saw it as the upper class twit's manual on how and what to think.

They are purposely creating a meek, cowed, society where the leadership is Roman in their excess and depravity.

Damn, it's good to be alive! Illegitimi non carborundum and a happy Monday to you all.

[Rob Crawford]

Well, OL, maybe that's why they're hiding his actual birth certificate and other documents. It's all to maintain his viability for the office he REALLY wants -- SecGen of the United Federation of Planets, er, United Nations.

Anyone else read any of Larry Niven's stories where the UN has become a world-wide dictatorship?

[pedro]

Hillbuz has such wonderful people and ideas. Why on earth, then, do they like that God-awful Hillary Clinton?

[Jane]

Why on earth, then, do they like that God-awful Hillary Clinton?

Sterotype alert: It's a gay democrat thing. Every gay democrat I know was a Hillary fan.

[Captain Hate]

Yes running Muffer Stalin-Rodham isn't exactly cleaning out the stable of all the rancid meadow-muffins.

This dysfunctional POS software has declined to put the following link in the LUN box but it reveals how much fun voting for Bammycare is to campaign in: http://biggovernment.com/mikeflynn/2010/07/12/democrats-gone-wild-rep-ciro-rodriguez-loses-it/?utm_source=co2hog&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BigGovernment+(Big+Government)

[Army of Davids]

Still a large shortage of skimmers in the Gulf.

An active problem. The federal bureaucracies need to get out of the way. Way too much red tape.

[Clarice]

HillBuzz ought to put pressure on their own party to end the caucus system and tighten up the procedures tht allowed Obama to thug his way thru the primaries.

***

Even in Boston opposition to the Az law is very unpopular.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/politics/view/20100712on_second_thought_boston_city_councilors_backtrack_on_arizona_boycott_bid/srvc=home&position=1>And Raza can't even BUY supporters

[Danube of Thought]

I think I'm probably behind the curve on this issue, but here's an interview with Gigi Gaston, the lifelong Democrat who made the documentary about 2008 voter fraud. Really chilling.

[fdcol63]

So, the big question is this:

What happens when the majority of law-abiding Americans - who want to preserve America as we've known it - recognize that the Dems have so corrupted the electoral system that peaceful elections no longer ensure our civil liberties and our representative republic?

[Janet]

Yeah fdcol63....it is the "well what do you want us to do squaredance?" question.

[Danube of Thought]

Much more detail here.

[Clarice]

They can refuse to pay their federal taxes..and march in the streets until this thuggery stops..remember no taxation without representation and fake elections aren't "representation". Let the Dems try to run their scam without fuel cause their supporters are not the same as taxpayers.

[Abadman]

My two sons and daughter all work jobs that pay less than $10 an hour, though they are students. I do not think my brother has ever worked a job that pays more than $10/hr, but he has lost a job to immigrants. Legal or illegal I do not know.

Of course when the gov't will pay more than that to sit on your ass...

Jobs americians will not do is an over simplification and in my experience mostly BS. Of course if Stephen Colbert and the United Farm Workers say so it must be true.

Take away a black market in labor depressing wages, and you might be suprised what jobs americians will do.

I feel an important factor is left out of the equation, and that is pay.

[Janet]

Religion of peace strikes again

If only NASA had been able to reach them in time. "No, no, don't do it...your ancestors knew algebra!" Kaboom....

[matt]

Jane;

are you saying that Hillary is the better Midler of the Democratic Party? The Liza Minelli? The Elizabeth Taylor?

[Pagar]

I am married to a legal immigrant, have been for over thirty years. I have no way of
counting but I would guess that I know or have known thousands of legal immigrants. To the best of my knowledge not a single one of them believes that illegally is the correct way to come into this country or any other country. Many of them paid heavy dues to get here. They resent illegals who cheat to get what they had to work for.
As long as we point out that legal immigrants are not being blamed for anything, I don't believe pointing out the problems created by illegals causes anyone to vote for leftists.

[Manuel Transmission]

Jane,

Check your spam filter. I pinged last week.

[Jane]

are you saying that Hillary is the better Midler of the Democratic Party? The Liza Minelli? The Elizabeth Taylor?

Yup, and for he life of me I cannot figure out why.

[Jane]

They can refuse to pay their federal taxes..and march in the streets until this thuggery stops..remember no taxation without representation and fake elections aren't "representation".

Revolution. Take to the streets. Tea Party. It's already in the works. Trust me, there will come a time when you will be motivated enough to join. And it's coming soon.

[Janet]

I agree Pagar, and I think it was Ann Coulter that pointed out that if Republicans oppose amnesty for illegals, they will get 15% of the Hispanic vote...and if they support amnesty of illegals, they will get 15% of the Hispanic vote.

[Pagar]

Here is what happens when a nation loses control over their own nation's workforce.

"Thus we are told, thousands of foreign nurses will be allowed to work in Britain without any safety checks"

[Ignatz]

--....according to two governors who spoke anonymously because the discussion was private.

“Universally the governors are saying, ‘We’ve got to talk about jobs,’ ” Gov. Phil Bredesen of Tennessee, a Democrat, said in an interview.....--

Having a hard time reconciling these two statements.
Does the Times guy know what anonymous means?

[fdcol63]

" ... if Republicans oppose amnesty for illegals, they will get 15% of the Hispanic vote...and if they support amnesty of illegals, they will get 15% of the Hispanic vote ..."

For some, this may sound like an equal wash. But I'd much rather have the 15% who oppose amnesty.

[Ignatz]

--Trust me, there will come a time when you will be motivated enough to join. And it's coming soon.--

Jane, I think you should start signing off as "Jane squaredance", like Ann does. :)

[PaulV]

Clintonistas need a stalking horse like Clean Gene to take on Obama so as not to alienate so much of the dem base. Then HRC can emerge as savior. Who could be the stalking horse?

[narciso]

Ask ret Gen. MacChrystal about that,Ignatz, What is being contemplated is closest to the Cedar and Orange revolutions.

[Janesquaredance]

Okay, but I don't get it.

[jimmyk]

[Legal immigrants] resent illegals who cheat to get what they had to work for.As long as we point out that legal immigrants are not being blamed for anything, I don't believe pointing out the problems created by illegals causes anyone to vote for leftists.

I agree, I just don't think that unemployment among legal residents is one of those problems. Which is one reason I'd advocate allowing more legal immigration (not amnesty or open borders), coupled with a strict policy of deportation for any that come and either engage in criminal activities or become wards of the state.

[Captain Hate]

Who could be the stalking horse?

Evan Bayh

[Pofarmer]

Hillbuzz is looking for strategies to force the DNC to examine Obama's 2008 voter fraud.

Looking into the campaign finance fraud, would be interesting, as well.

[PD]

It'd be nice if these Dem governors would oppose Obama and Holder's moves in AZ because it's bad policy, rather than because it hurts their reelection chances. That's disgusting and it should be hung around their necks.

[JM Hanes]

Old Lurker:

"gmax, among the really bad things that a Holder win will establish is the notion that the president can intrude on any state matter that offends some foreigner somewhere."

Such blatent overreach ought to be enough to sink the DoJ case. I commented on that in an earlier thread. DoJ apparently knows that to prevail, they must dramatically expand the scope of Executive Branch preemption; the foreign policy argument is absolutely key to that effort. Taking the liberty of quoting myself:

It seems to me that DoJ is trying to get around the problem of Congressional intent by working overtime to couch the AZ law as an incursion on the President's Constitutional purview over foreign policy -- a domain in which the Executive trumps Congress.... That's why the DoJ brief pounds on Arizona's explicitly stated purpose of using enforcement to reduce its population of illegals by "attrition," as an unconstitutional formulation of foreign policy. DoJ comes as close as they can to saying that the AZ statute is, indeed, in direct conflict with the President's existing (nuanced!) strategic objectives, and is already derailing his international policy initiatives [citing Calderon].
[...]
The problem, of course, is that Congress does, in fact, make immigration law, but DoJ has apparently decided its best bet is to convince a judge that designing enforcement of immigration law -- not to mention the considerable body of Executive Branch regulation -- falls under the President's foreign policy umbrella.

The idea that it's unconstitutional to expose the U.S. to international criticism is stunning in its implications, isn't?

[narciso]

That's who I was thinking Capt, someone who had to use a phrase 'gone rogue' but he voted
for Obamacare in the end, right.

I meant the Tea Party, Jane

[Captain Hate]

Yeah narc; I don't know if he'll do it but he's perfectly positioned for it.

[Tom R]

Rob Crawford at 11:01am nailed it.

I live in Huntsville AL, which is the home of a major NASA facility, Redstone Arsenal and the Missile Defense Agency. There are a lot of well paying high tech jobs here as well as a lot of government civilian jobs. A substantial percentage of the government civilian jobs are filled by middle-class blacks. There are also a lot of middle-class blacks working as defense contractors as well. Bottom line is the economy in this part of the country is proof positive that minorities who get a college education have a good chance of success in middle-class America.

There is still a lot of poverty in this region though, especially among blacks and Hispanics (i.e. illegal immigrants). The Hispanic population in North Alabama is surging thanks to the housing market. The BRAC committee plans to move the HQ of the Missle Defense Agency and Army Material Command to Huntsville meant a LOT of new jobs moving down from the DC area.

As a result houses are going up everywhere you look. Who is doing the construction? 99% of the construction work is being done by Hispanics. Everyone you talk to for the most part is satisfied with the quality of the work being done by the Hispanics. No questioning that they are hard workers. The thing is, you rarely ever see any blacks working these kind of jobs and white construction workers are becoming rarer.

When I was growing up construction jobs were popular among this demographic of worker (many don't even have high school diplomas). The salary is good enough to put food on the table and a roof over your head. For numerous reasons, the black and white legal citizens of this region are not getting those jobs though. Fix that problem and a lot of other problems will get fixed as well.

[Danube of Thought]

Bayh was the first name that came to my mind.

[JM Hanes]

It's extremely gratifying to be able to add some Democratic governors, anonymous or not, to Brewer, Christie, Jindal, Barbour et al. who are confirming, in front of our very eyes, two key Repbublican tenets. States are the proper incubators of potential national models, and only governors have the concentrated power to mount an effective push back against federal expansion. The electorate can throw bums out every couple of years, but alas, that threat doesn't mitigate the harm that can be done in the interim.

Governors are admittedly better executive prospects than Congressional candidates, but ironically, the minute someone like Christie makes his first mark, Republicans start talking about sending him to Washington -- even before the end results of his iconoclastic tenure come in! Ditto for Paul Ryan, whom we should want to keep in the House for a very long time -- hopefully controlling the purse strings as Chairman of Appropriations/Ways & Means

[Buford Gooch]

ISTR that Americans are barred from serving as the Secretary General.

Yes, but we're talking Kenyan here. (Joke. I"m not a birther.)

[Clarice]

I'm certain it came to his mind as well, but the Bayhs have a problems with the Mrs.' employment. (So did Daschle to be sure but he wasn't running for President.)

[Pagar]

I recall another name when I think of
"documentary about 2008 voter fraud"

I'm sure I would have posted it on JOM at the time. As I recall, the site changed after the election and said it was password protected.
Can anyone refresh my memory on how to do a search on JOM comments. The creator was a lady (I believe a Dr.)who was memtioned often on the Scary Larry site.

[narciso]

Well I do recall, Glenn Reynolds talking up Bredesen's approach to healthcare nearly
forever, but another option was 'poorly chosen' instead.

[matt]

this president has overstepped the constitutional separations between executive, legislative, and judicial, as well as between the Federal government and the states so far we might as well start calling him Adolph.

The latest is his use of the NSA to openly monitor calls and electronics communications within the United States including those communications between citizens. This completely and utterly violates the mandates of the NSA as well as the Constitutional right to privacy.

Eric Himmler is spitting in the face of the law while he regularly misapplys it, while the Kremlin at 1600 has so many czars they can't get out of each other's way.

Just thought I'd clarify how I really felt.

[Thomas Collins]

Looks as if Boston pols are willing to pass a politically correct anti-Arizona resolution, but are scardey-cats when it comes to facing Jan Brewer. See LUN.

The LUNed article has the following example of a prog's profile in courage:

"Tobin’s own resolve broke down quickly. He had a chance to go to an Arizona Diamondbacks game at Fenway Park last month.

“I asked the bill’s co-sponsors for permission,” he said. They said OK. Tobin went to the ballgame."

[Janesquaredance]

Megyn Kelly just floated a teaser that the decision about the NBP came from the WH - she apparently has the visitor logs.

[Janesquaredance]

Actually that makes sense - the NBP are financed by ACORN and the Obama campaign gave ACoRN nearly $900,000 for their work on his campaign.

[narciso]

T say this is 'dissapointing,' is an understatement, in the LUN

[Janesquaredance]

That is disappointing narciso. Clearly he didn't read my emails.

[PDinDetroit]

Vote out a Dem in 2010!

What a great bumper sticker idea.

[Janesquaredance]

Check your spam filter. I pinged last week.

Mantran

Pinged you too? or somewhere else?

[PaulL]

Pagar,

If you type into google

site:justoneminute.typepad.com

followed by the words you're searching for, you might be able to find it. You'll probably need to stick at it and try a little experimenting.

[anduril]

Speaking of governors...

Here's a really good article about Chris Christie, the brightest light I can see right now in the GOP: A Catholic Governor Embraces Subsidiarity:

The new governor of New Jersey, Chris Christie, is distinguishing himself in two ways as a Catholic politician. Not only he is pro-life, but he is also aggressively pursuing a set of policies grounded in the principle of subsidiarity.

At a time when most prominent Catholic politicians -- Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, and John Kerry -- have advocated federal government solutions to problems like health care, Gov. Christie is pushing in the opposite direction by releasing a New Jersey Privatization Task Force Report.

In the 57-page report, the Task Force proposes privatizing the state’s motor vehicle inspections, housing construction inspections, turnpike toll booths, state parks, psychiatric hospitals, as well as contracting for highway maintenance work, and outsourcing worker's compensation claims and all pension, payroll, and benefit payments systems.

These recommendations, according to Christie, will save New Jersey taxpayers over $200 million a year.

If the humanity of unborn life is the tenet most ignored by Catholic politicians, the principle of subsidiarity comes in a close second. Of course, unlike the 6th commandment -- "thou shall not kill" -- subsidiarity must be applied prudentially. The principle itself is simple:

A community of a higher order should not interfere in the internal life of a community of a lower order, depriving the latter of its functions, but rather should support it in case of need and help to co-ordinate its activity with the activities of the rest of society, always with a view to the common good. (Catechism of the Catholic Church, #1883)

The Catechism is unambiguous in its claim that Catholics should uphold subsidiarity to offset one of the dangers of socialization, i.e., an "excessive intervention by the state" threatening "personal freedom and initiative" (#1882-1883).

And there's more...

[Porchlight]

Megyn Kelly just floated a teaser that the decision about the NBP came from the WH - she apparently has the visitor logs.

Wasn't it revealed several months back that Malik Shabazz was a visitor at the White House? That was when the WH was saying that Shabazz, Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, etc. were all visitors at the WH, but not the people we think - these were just people who happened to have the same names.

Uh huh.

[RichatUF]

Hello all thought I'd drop in today.

OL-

From above about Hillary!. There are not enough newts and frogs for the Clinton's to not get blamed. Hummm...maybe we ought to whisper the theory into Rev. Wright's ear...

And that was an interesting article in the Telegraph. One thing I didn't see mentioned is if one of the many gold etf's may have run into problems. Not sure what to make of it though. And if a nation state were selling gold, would it most likely be transfers among other nation states (ie wouldn't it be easier for Portugal to trade their gold for foreign held, Portugese, euro denominated bonds than to make interest payments to the foreign holder?).

Pofarmer-

Would digging around Obama's campaign finances really help Hillary!? Doubtful.

[Porchlight]

From the website it looks like Gaston is soliciting donations for the completion of We Will Not Be Silenced.

Seems like if Clintonistas were involved in any way with this project, there wouldn't be any issue with funding.

But maybe that's just the Clintons' sly little strategy to make it look like a genuine grassroots effort.

[PD]

Vote out a Dem in 2010!

What a great bumper sticker idea.

Yeah. I'm hoping to find a "Fire Feingold" sticker myself.

[Ignatz]

--Okay, but I don't get it.--

Jane,
IIRC, after Ann posted a particularly adamant post on some subject she began posting as "Ann squaredance" because her own call to arms had reminded her of some of squaredance's more memorable and zealous posts.
Your comment kind of reminded me of that episode.

[Old Lurker]

Rich, nice to see you.

The thing about gold is just what that story teases. A major holder can play with the market any time it wants to. Like diamonds with DeBeers sitting on enough inventory to control prices forever.

As to Hilary, Bill will make sure we all know he was behind sinking "that fairy tale" if that indeed is what's going on. He won't waste many frogs pretending otherwise.

And Evan Bayh was the first name that occurred to me too.