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August 17, 2010

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Danube of Thought

Who would have thought there could be so many right-wing haters of Islam in the Democratic caucus? As the homunculus Bloomberg put it, they ought to be ashamed of themselves.

 centralcal

According to Politico Gov. Paterson contacted Rep. King to let him know that he will be meeting with the Mosque group "next week."

 centralcal

Rush is now calling Zero, Imam Obama! lol.

w3bgrrl

So it's just as it was choreographed. Voters are done with Obama, and Democrats tied to him stand to lose big. He fights a strawman which costs him nothing, as this will certainly not be a big deal in 2012. Democrats come out for the high kicks and the big finish, singing in chorus that they differ with the president on this issue. They hope voters are stupid enough to think it matters.

And instead of calling it for the cheap political stunt it is, right-leaning blogs are making tally marks of who is for or against the GZM.


Porchlight

Interesting, w3bgrrl. But it's still a risky move, as voters have already begun turning against the Dems en masse. Obama's idiocy gives them one more reason to do so, whether or not their individual Congresscritter comes out against the GZM.

IOW it functions as the last straw, rather than as an opportunity for Dems to distance themselves from the President. Though they may try, they can't hide their voting records behind the GZM.

Captain Hate

And instead of calling it for the cheap political stunt it is

I can't speak for everybody here but I consider every utterance of the jugeared imbecile a cheap political stunt. As for how it was done to give commiecrats room to maneuver away from him, is that why he issued at least one correction on what he "really meant"? Like Clinton, McDivot only cares about himself; the rest of the party are just low-paid sidemen to his starring role.

pagar

The Moonbattery group weighs in on the stupidity of claim that the Mosque is entitled to some kind of religious freedom that the St Nickolas">http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2010/08/building-a-chri.html">Nickolas Church is not.

I would think by now it would be evident to even the leftists that a Christian Church has been denied their religious freedom while the bureaucrats grovel in fear of Bloomberg and his Muslim overlords.

 centralcal

w3bgrrl: Completely wrong! I personally couldn't despise Obama and his radical agenda any more than I already do. I personally couldn't despise his administration and his sycophantic media than I already do.

But, all of that aside, not everything in life is merely "political." The Victory Mosque is wrong, wrong, wrong.

As for 2012, Zero may not even be in the running. As you astutely note, the voters are done with him, Dems tied to him are on a losing streak, the media is having to work even harder than ever to carry his water (and end up sloshing it all over each other when Obama does a sudden 180) - the hints are starting to come, ala R. Simon - hey pal, do us a favor, serve your one term and then announce you are done and waltz on back to the castle. Save your face and save our face (they hope).

Jim O'Sullivan

Well, I'm delighted to be informed that my district (NY-2) is a swinger. I'd love to be done with all of the left-wing crap I get in the mail from that lefty.

lowestpayemtnsever

We need to to protect rights to worship. 'How far will we go( ?'

http://911dayofservice.org/911daycoming_soon/index.html

Clarice

Isn't this lovely. Remember JOMers we were the first to call this man a dunce when everyone else was still saying the emperor was cloaked in brilliance.

Neo

I went into the 2008 elections believing that Obama was an agnostic .. his time at Rev. Wright's church was purely to gain a sense of the "Black Experience" and gain "street cred."

This Ramadan, our President has reverted to his childhood in Indonesia.

Danube of Thought

The fawning sycophant Greg Sargent gets nicely shredded . He was the guy who called O's Friday night speech his "finest hour."

Captain Hate

This Ramadan, our President has reverted to his childhood in Indonesia.

If so, he's still as frightfully ignorant about Islam as everything else on which he's been characterized as an expert.

 centralcal

Per Ace, Gallup now has Obama at 51% disapproval!!

I feel the earth shake, under my feet . . .

Danube of Thought

I meant to link to this.

Carol Herman

You should only see this ugly neighborhood! Porn shops. Pawn shops. Boarded up buildings. And, one block from Ground Zero you can buy an "adult inflatable doll."

It may take time, but there really is religious freedoms in this country. Where there is NOT, is a KELO for religious buildings. So? IF this seems to have a way of "grabbing the land" ... which is KELO ... it will be addressed by the Supreme-O's. Religious institutions haven't been put under the umbrella of KELO yet, as far as I know.

NK

I have assumed that someone with BHO's outsized arrogance, hubris and narcissism would run in 2012 and dare the voters to turn him down. Now I am not so sure. BHO clearly detests criticsm -- Billy Clinton while a narcissist was also a pathelogical liar and treated criticism as part of a game-- in contrast BHO's ego can't stand the heat. The GZM speech unforced error is proof that BHO does stupid things in responding to critics. But more importantly, the great Federal Tax Revenue Gravy Train that lasted 25 years (1983-2008) has broken down and the Ponzi Scheme entitlement messes have to be paid for. In short, there's is no money for BHO to redistribute. The reason BHO became POTUS was to grab the tax dough and spread it around the way he saw fit; he sees his power through controlling OPM for his own political ends. Without OPM, there is no power, with no power what is the purpose of being POTUS as far as BHO is concerned? Maybe, he does something else where people gime him unlimited money, expect no results and never criticize. Maybe the House of Saud?, The Mullahs?, the PRC? All of them would love to own a former POTUS.

Publius from Idaho

Can anyone tell me if there is a history of any other president hosting a Ramadan dinner at the White House?

I know that BHO is the first to cancel the National Day of Prayer ceremony at the White Hosuse since its inception in 1952.

Carol Herman

If this isn't a "mosq-urade, what is?

It's a side issue. And, it's advanced politics. It "forgets" unahppy democrats (who went for Reagan, in 1980), also saw in play John Anderson.

It was a very clever move. Followed, again, in 1992, with Ross Perot giving unhappy voters a place to hang their votes (19%). Which gave Bill Clinton the win. And, the elder Bush got tossed out after one term.

Politics remains as interesting as off-track betting.

Jane

Dot,

Your link doesn't work.

anduril

"While they have a constitutional right to build the mosque...

I dispute the wisdom of building at that location, not the constitutional right."

Actually there is someone who would dispute this "constitutional right" business: Sultan Knish! The Sultan (otherwise known as Daniel Greenfield) is a prominent blogger, if he does say so himself--

Named one of the Jewish Press' Most Worthwhile Blogs, 2006, 2007 , 2008 and 2009

Cited at Front Page Magazine , The Spectator and Commentary Magazine, and One Jerusalem, Outpost Magazine and Gateway Pundit, Power Line, Little Green Footballs and American Thinker and Hot Air and the New Media Journal

Quoted by
Daniel Pipes , Andrew Bostom, Atlas Shrugs, Debbie Schlussel and Tim Blair, Judith Klinghoffer, Phyllis Chesler, Robert Spencer, Melanie Philips and Michelle Malkin

--and he has penned (yeah, yeah, but keyboarded just doesn't have the right ring) a provocative opinion piece: Can We Ban Islam? - Legal Guidelines for the Criminalization of Islam in the United States.

It's a pretty long piece, but it's well reasoned. To give you some idea of how it goes:

The question then becomes one of defining what exactly an Islamist organization is. If we define Islamist under the same guidelines as Communist, but specifically modified as representing a belief in the overthrow or takeover of the United States or any part of it, thereby placing the United States under Islamic law... we already have a very broad net to work with.

Or to simply quote the Internal Security Act again

Sec. 4. (a) It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to combine, conspire, or agree, with any other person to perform any act which would substantially contribute to the establishment within the United States of a totalitarian dictatorship

Since Islam represents a totalitarian dictatorship, any organization or individual seeking to establish Islamic Law or Sharia within the United States, can be held liable and charged over its violation. This would apply to both Muslims and non-Muslims.

And the Koran or Quran itself represents a volume whose contents implicitly call for the violent overthrow of the United States.

Consider Chapter 9 of the Koran, which governs the interaction between Muslims and non-Muslims. Particularly Sura 9:29

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

There are numerous other verses in the Koran which similarly call for Muslims to subjugate non-Muslims and take power. This parallels the charge against the Communist party and places Muslims who believe in the Koran on the same level as Communists who believed in the overthrow of the United States.

Participation in any Muslim organization therefore becomes the equivalent of participating in a Communist organization-- and can be banned.

Sue

Publius,

Bush attended the Iftars at the WH, if that is what you are asking.

Jane

Can anyone tell me if there is a history of any other president hosting a Ramadan dinner at the White House?

Bush held the first one in November 2001.

anduril

God, Bushie was such a flipping dork. I can't believe he has the nerve to show his face in public. It could take a helluva long time for Conservatism to recover from that moron.

MarkO

I really like the "It's not a religion" angle, mostly because it's not.

sbw

DoT, from a previous thread you mentioned a quote from Samuel Huntington. Huntington's claim to fame was hawking the fear of a clash of cultures in a 1996 book. His multi-culturalism projected no resolution except competition.

I think his puffery served him better than it accurately represented the way things were, are, or may become. Different cultures can share threads in common that represent what is essential for contact between those cultures. Call it a Venn diagram if you will.

Keep in mind that Huntington served in the Jimmy Carter White House and was so post-post-modern-post-colonial that he coined the Davos Man as someone who was la creme de la elite.

A man of his time. Ergo, a fraud.

narciso

Well there was that mathematician that disproved some of his research, but he was still more of a ColdWar liberal, Chomsky still
can't forget him from his work in vietnam, and
on a whole series of issues, like immigration
he has proved more conservative over the years

Publius from Idaho

Sue and Jane,

Yes, and thanks for the come back.

anduril

I really like the "It's not a religion" angle, mostly because it's not.

"Religion" is one of those words that, on closer inspection, turns out to be not terribly useful for the person who wants to express their thoughts clearly. Any word that includes what most of us conceive of as "religion" as well as a phenomenon like Islam obviously has limited functionality. That's why it's so important to speak frankly about just what sort of thing Islam really is. If you don't speak clearly about that it will impair your ability to THINK clearly about it, and your policy solutions will suffer.

Samuel Huntington was no fraud. I highly recommend, for example, his reflections on China.

Publius from Idaho

Sue and Jane,

Yes, and thanks for the come back.

squaredance

androol: Quit projecting. While you are at it, quit pretending that you are a conservative.

You are not one millionth the man GWB is. In fact, you are not a man at all.

One of the few good features of Obama and the Democrat is that they hourly demonstrate what a good President and what a fine man GWB was.

That you buy into the MSM's slanders and propaganda against him exposes you for the weaselly little twerp that you are.

What a tool.

notunlesanduntilyouproveit8orange

will provide a swimming pool, auditorium, restaurants, and other spaces open to the community

American Society for Muslim Advancement
anti-Muslim hate crimes
stop demonizing Muslims as terrorists
National Jewish Center for Learning and Leadership
even supported by the FBI

http://immigration.change.org/blog/view/the_ground_zero_mosque_is_a_good_thing

 centralcal

GO squaredance!!!! ::never thought I'd write that::

Jane

One of the few good features of Obama and the Democrat is that they hourly demonstrate what a good President and what a fine man GWB was.

Hear Hear!

BTW - the Blago jury is fighting and may be on the verge of a "split" verdict. The jury requested a copy of the jurors oath indicating that there is trouble brewing in the deliberations.

narciso

They also supported CAIR and MPAC, long after it was warranted

narciso

This suggests the purposes the community will be used for, and the timeline behind this project, in the LUN

pagar

"becomes the equivalent of participating in a Communist organization-- and can be banned."

If participating in a Communist organization would get you banned, I don't believe you would have many left in the Obama Administration and the higher you went the fewer you would have left.

pagar

"One of the few good features of Obama and the Democrat is that they hourly demonstrate what a good President and what a fine man GWB was."

Outstanding!

windansea

just in case you missed it, read up on the Shariah Index and it's involvement in the Cordoba project Narciso linked to in LUN above.

Clarice

Interesting, wind! Nice to see you here.

anduril

George Friedman has his usual thoughtful analysis, today re U.S. Withdrawal and Limited Options in Iraq. Of course, in many ways an analysis of this sort has to be about Iran, as well, and so it is. He also goes into detail re Petraeus and the "Surge." Naturally, I can't agree with everything Friedman says. If war is a continuation of politics by other means, then to say--with Friedman--that the basic flaw was in the "political expectations," is to say that the conception of the invasion of Iraq was flawed from the start. From here on out it's Friedman--but as you read, recall that it was Bushie who got us into this mess:

...

The fundamental flaw of the invasion of Iraq was not in its execution but in the political expectations that were put in place. As the Americans knew, the Shiite community was anti-Baathist but heavily influenced by Iranian intelligence. The decision to destroy the Baathists put the Sunnis, who were the backbone of Saddam's regime, in a desperate position. Facing a hostile American army and an equally hostile Shiite community backed by Iran, the Sunnis faced disaster. Taking support from where they could get it - from the foreign jihadists that were entering Iraq - they launched an insurgency against both the Americans and the Shia.

The Sunnis simply had nothing to lose. In their view, they faced permanent subjugation at best and annihilation at worst. The United States had the option of creating a Shiite-based government but realized that this government would ultimately be under Iranian control. The political miscalculation placed the United States simultaneously into a war with the Sunnis and a near-war situation with many of the Shia, while the Shia and Sunnis waged a civil war among themselves and the Sunnis occasionally fought the Kurds as well. From late 2003 until 2007, the United States was not so much in a state of war in Iraq as it was in a state of chaos.

The new strategy of Gen. David Petraeus emerged from the realization that the United States could not pacify Iraq and be at war with everyone. After a 2006 defeat in the midterm elections, it was expected that U.S. President George W. Bush would order the withdrawal of forces from Iraq. Instead, he announced the surge. The surge was really not much of a surge, but it created psychological surprise - not only were the Americans not leaving, but more were on the way. Anyone who was calculating a position based on the assumption of a U.S. withdrawal had to recalculate.

The Americans understood that the key was reversing the position of the Sunni insurgents. So long as they remained at war with the Americans and Shia, there was no possibility of controlling the situation. Moreover, only the Sunnis could cut the legs out from under the foreign jihadists operating in the Sunni community. These jihadists were challenging the traditional leadership of the Sunni community, so turning this community against the jihadists was not difficult. The Sunnis also were terrified that the United States would withdraw, leaving them at the mercy of the Shia. These considerations, along with substantial sums of money given to Sunni tribal elders, caused the Sunnis to do an about-face. This put the Shia on the defensive, since the Sunni alignment with the Americans enabled the Americans to strike at the Shiite militias.

Petraeus stabilized the situation, but he did not win the war. The war could only be considered won when there was a stable government in Baghdad that actually had the ability to govern Iraq. A government could be formed with people sitting in meetings and talking, but that did not mean that their decisions would have any significance. For that there had to be an Iraqi army to enforce the will of the government and protect the country from its neighbors - particularly Iran (from the American point of view). There also had to be a police force to enforce whatever laws might be made. And from the American perspective, this government did not have to be pro-American (that had long ago disappeared as a viable goal), but it could not be dominated by Iran.

Iraq is not ready to deal with the enforcement of the will of the government because it has no government. Once it has a government, it will be a long time before its military and police forces will be able to enforce its will throughout the country. And it will be much longer before it can block Iranian power by itself. As it stands now, there is no government, so the rest doesn't much matter.

The geopolitical problem the Americans face is that, with the United States gone, Iran would be the most powerful conventional power in the Persian Gulf. The historical balance of power had been between Iraq and Iran. The American invasion destroyed the Iraqi army and government, and the United States was unable to re-create either. Part of this had to do with the fact that the Iranians did not want the Americans to succeed.

...

There are many who are baffled by Iranian confidence and defiance in the face of American pressure on the nuclear issue. This is the reason for that confidence: Should the United States attack Iran's nuclear facilities, or even if the United States does not attack, Iran holds the key to the success of the American strategy in Iraq.

Everything done since 2006 fails if the United States must maintain tens of thousands of troops in Iraq in perpetuity. Should the United States leave, Iran has the capability of forcing a new order not only on Iraq but also on the rest of the Persian Gulf. Should the United States stay, Iran has the ability to prevent the stabilization of Iraq, or even to escalate violence to the point that the Americans are drawn back into combat. The Iranians understand the weakness of America's position in Iraq, and they are confident that they can use that to influence American policy elsewhere.

...

Thus, the United States has nothing but unpleasant choices in Iraq. It can stay in perpetuity and remain vulnerable to violence. It can withdraw and hand the region over to Iran. It can go to war with yet another Islamic country. Or it can negotiate with a government that it despises - and which despises it right back.

Given all that has been said about the success of the Petraeus strategy, it must be observed that while it broke the cycle of violence and carved out a fragile stability in Iraq, it has not achieved, nor can it alone achieve, the political solution that would end the war. Nor has it precluded a return of violence at some point. The Petraeus strategy has not solved the fundamental reality that has always been the shadow over Iraq: Iran. But that was beyond Petraeus' task and, for now, beyond American capabilities. That is why the Iranians can afford to be so confident.

Jane

So any guesses on the Blago verdict?

I say 2 guilty counts, 10 not guilty counts and 10 hung jury counts.

anduril

"One of the few good features of Obama and the Democrat is that they hourly demonstrate what a good President and what a fine man GWB was."

How pathetic. In effect: bad as Bush was, Obama is worse. What was that gag about low expectations?

Neo

If so, he's still as frightfully ignorant about Islam as everything else on which he's been characterized as an expert.

Obama is still an agnostic

Ranger

So any guesses on the Blago verdict?

I say 2 guilty counts, 10 not guilty counts and 10 hung jury counts.

Posted by: Jane | August 17, 2010 at 03:06 PM

I'm guessing 1 guilty, 1 not guilty, and 22 hung counts.

The only thing they seem to have clearly got him on was false statements to the FBI.

Frau Edith Steingehirn

I'll agree about linux but never about GWB ... and I'm not a registered Republican.

anduril

I can't vouch for the accuracy of this next paste job--that is, for the content--but I suspect it's true. Anyone know better?

HERE ARE ALL THE DEVELOPED NATIONS OF THE WORLD THAT OFFER BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP TO THE BABIES OF TOURISTS AND ILLEGAL ALIENS:

* United States

That’s right, every other modern Developed nation in the world has gotten rid of birthright citizenship policies.

Yet, most of U.S. news media and politicians the last two weeks have ridiculed the comments by some other politicians that it is time for the U.S. to put an end to birthright citizenship for tourists and illegal aliens.

Folks, the U.S. stands alone.

There used to be all kinds of Developed countries that gave away their citizenship as freely as we do in the U.S. But one by one they all have recognized the folly of that policy.

SOME MODERN COUNTRIES THAT RECENTLY ENDED THEIR BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP POLICY:

* Canada was the last non-U.S. holdout. Illegal aliens stopped getting citizenship for their babies in 2009.
* Australia’s birthright citizenship requirements are much more stringent than those of H.R. 1868 and took effect in 2007.
* New Zealand repealed in 2006
* Ireland repealed in 2005
* France repealed in 1993
* India repealed in 1987
* United Kingdom repealed in 1983
* Portugal repealed in 1981

The United States is the laughing stock of the modern world. Only the U.S. values its citizenship so lowly as to distribute it promiscuously to the off-spring of foreign citizens visiting Disney World on tourist visas and to foreign citizens who have violated their promises on their visitor, work and student visas to stay illegally in the country, as well as to those who sneak across our borders.

anduril

I'll agree about linux but never about GWB

It's a start, and remember--never say never. I voted for him twice. What was I supposed to do? The first time I didn't even hold my nose.

peter

Anduril, I don't know who is more boring, you or Friedman.

hit and run

Word Count Update as of 3:30

Post: TM: 479

Comments:
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All Others: 2282 (50.2%)

I was wrong. I thought for sure you had surpassed the 50% mark.

anduril

Here it is: The Amazing Penguins Chasing A Butterfly Video That Is Sweeping The Internet.

anduril

Thanks hit. I'd been sure, too. What's life without something to strive for?

MarkO

Two not guilty. The remainder hung.

Rob Crawford

I was wrong. I thought for sure you had surpassed the 50% mark.

He took that as a challenge, apparently.

anduril

Is it cheating if I get friends and relatives to blog under my name? I'd still be going to some trouble to recruit them, so it wouldn't be, like, totally effortless. Not like debating with JOMers.

Danube of Thought

If anyone seriously wants to know whether we can ban Islam, the answer is "No."

Birthright citizenship arose in this country for the purpose of ensuring the citizenship of former slaves. It was a rare circumstance, and it is unremarkable that no other nation has adopted the practice.

anduril


If anyone seriously wants to know whether we can ban Islam, the answer is "No."

Birthright citizenship arose in this country for the purpose of ensuring the citizenship of former slaves. It was a rare circumstance, and it is unremarkable that no other nation has adopted the practice.

Why do these knuckleheads all claim they don't read my stuff? I don't lie, so you can trust me. Don't trust obvious liars.

anduril

Read anything by Bork lately?

Neo
“I do not believe in religious dialogue … this phrase is inaccurate. Religious dialogue as is customarily understood is a set of events with discussions in large hotels that result in nothing. Religions do not dialogue and dialogue is not present in the attitudes of the followers regardless of being Muslim or Christian.” -- Imam Rauf.
bgates

The jury requested a copy of the jurors oath and a down payment from a guy who knows a guy who knows defense counsel.

Extraneus

But seriously, folks, is it possible that these Democrat scumbags will just keep falling further and further until November? Without even mounting any kind of a comeback? Just go completely down in a flaming blaze of glory?

I keep thinking it can't continue going this well, and then...they screw up again! What's next, punching old ladies on youtube?

Rob Crawford

But seriously, folks, is it possible that these Democrat scumbags will just keep falling further and further until November?

Possible, but unlikely.

Danube of Thought

Why do these knuckleheads all claim they don't read my stuff?

I stop as soon as I realize it's you. That usually occurs after a very few sentences.

Danube of Thought

Read anything by Bork lately?

Not since Slouching Toward Bethelehem. Haven't talked to him in about five years.

Jim Ryan

....Shields are detecting massive copy-paste field. Likely alien forces carelessly neglecting the use of link tags, just copying pixels throughout this sector of the galaxy like it's nobody's business. Thank goodness for the shields....

Danube of Thought

PPP has Toomey over Sestak, 45-36. Raz has it 46-37.

anduril

I stop as soon as I realize it's you. That usually occurs after a very few sentences.

LOL.

anduril

"Usually." The weasel words. Allows one to indulge guilty pleasures.

Frau Edith Steingehirn

Just finished reading about the Sharia Index Project, Rauf's international gig. It may be the reason the proposed Victory Mosque *needs* 15 stories.

Frau Edith Steingehirn

I may be behind everyone else on this, but the Victory Mosque details are from Breitbart's Big Peace.
LUN

Porchlight

The jury requested a copy of the jurors oath and a down payment from a guy who knows a guy who knows defense counsel.

Nah. Why give a juror a down payment when a couple of offhand threats will do the trick.

daddy the wanna' be heretic

You may find ">http://alaskadispatch.com/blogs/political-animal/6404-protesters-set-sights-on-stevens-memorial-funeral"> this interesting.

The Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas is coming up to protest Ted Stevens Funeral. The pastor of the Anchorage Baptist Temple says the Westboro Baptist Protesters won't be allowed on the Anchorage Baptist Temple's property to protest. The Westboro Baptist Pastor, Fred Phelps "claims the crash was an act of God's wrath for a lifelong career spent serving the federal government, which he calls "a corrupt cesspool of idolatry."

And the Eulogy will be given by Neil Kinnock, errr Joe Biden.

Jack is Back!

Regarding Blogo, I have it on good authority that the latest method of approved interrogation techniques is to subject the Gitmo guys to endless repeats of Blogo on Celebrity Apprentice!

Regarding the Mosque and the dems, Tim Bishop represents my old hometown of Southampton, which used to be a country club republican stronghold (i.e. Otis Pike and Perry Duryea) and is now a chic, limousine liberal backwater since the Manhattanites have changed their registration to there instead of wasting their vote on the West Side. So, if he is feeling the heat in The Hamptons, then this spells extremely well for the rest of the country. I know Bishop (he used to be the Chancellor of Southampton College of LIU but is now basically defunct) and he would never had taken this position if Obama and the dems were not so damn out of sorts with the American public.

Danube of Thought

"Usually." The weasel words.

In this case, the word is apt. I can spot an Anduril post within the first paragraph most of the time. I have never read past the third paragraph in anything he has written in at least a year.

Face it: the man is boring, inconsiderate and highly erratic. And he has cuckoo ideas that are unworthy of discussion.

Jim Ryan

In VA-5, Robert Hurt is up by 6 over Dem incumbent Perriello. It's the first real poll of the race, other than the SurveyUSA one a few weeks ago which had Hurt up by 23.

Rob Crawford

The Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas is coming up to protest Ted Stevens Funeral.

Of course they are.

They sure are loyal little Democrats, aren't they?

Clarice

well, Jim the drop was of concern until I realized the first poll had not included Clark.

Danube of Thought

Ninth Circuit declares law criminalizing false claims of military awards unconstitutional. Two Bush II appointees.

Danube of Thought

Blago verdict to be read at 5:15 EDT.

Rick Ballard

"But seriously, folks, is it possible that these Democrat scumbags will just keep falling further and further until November?"

Ex,

It's possible but it would be atypical. If you scroll over the bottom graph at the Gallup generic site you can get a feel for the to and fro. I almost feel that it's at least 50/50 that they do continue to slide. Reps have never held the lead in the Gallup generic and the Democrats have never had a politician of this low level of intelligence and wholesale mediocrity in the WH, jabbering away with both feet in his mouth and his head up his butt at the same time.

Sue

Blago was ordered to the courthouse. He and his wife arrived around 15 minutes ago. His attorneys were already in the courtroom.

Sue
A verdict has been reached in the corruption trial of former Gov. Rod Blagojevich and his brother, Robert. The jury's decision is expected to be announced soon.

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/blagojevich-on-trial/2010/08/lawyers-in-blago-trial-summoned-back-to-courthouse.html>Source

anduril

And he has cuckoo ideas that are unworthy of discussion.

Except that you insist on doing so.

anduril
The Westboro Baptist Pastor, Fred Phelps "claims the crash was an act of God's wrath for a lifelong career spent serving the federal government, which he calls "a corrupt cesspool of idolatry."

He may be on to something.

Jack is Back!

DoT,

Ninth Circuit declares law criminalizing false claims of military awards unconstitutional. Two Bush II appointees.

Not to worry. As long as these guys are around it don't matter.

I rather have some judge fine me $500 then to have Stolen Valor expose me. Every damn AL and VFW post will blab it all over town. You will look like the ASS you are.

daddy the wanna' be heretic

"is to subject the Gitmo guys to endless repeats of Blogo on Celebrity Apprentice!"

JiB,

I don't know. My wife wants Blago to walk, not simply because she hates everybody involved in the whole corrupt process, but also because (I think, but she won't really admit it) she want's to see Blago on Dancing With The Stars.

anduril

You may call this "cuckoo," but I think it stinks.

Via FR:

Despite 24-year leave of absence, Peabody,Mass. teacher can get full pension

The Salem News ^ | August 16, 2010 | By Matthew K. Roy

"She has not taught in a Peabody classroom since 1986, but when she retires from her job in the private sector, Annemarie DuBois will be eligible to receive the same pension she'd get if she'd been teaching her entire career. DuBois, a former English teacher at Peabody Veterans Memorial High School, has been on a leave of absence from the school for 24 years. Before the 1986-87 school year, she left to work for a union that represents the state's public school teachers."

bgates

Hey TM -

a thoughtful statement I endorse:..."it would be better if they had demonstrated more sensitivity to the families of 9/11 victims"
...
Muslim extremists will join with Islamophobes in deeming it a Victory Mosque

So which are you and Steve Israel - Muslim extremists or Islamophobes?

maryrose

Blago verdict is in...

anduril

My wife wants Blago to walk...

Clarice wants him to walk because she's afraid that if he wins he'll be the new Director of the FBI. I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, I think that to a considerable extent the people deserve the leaders they elect. Nor do I believe that his Dem replacements are any improvement.

Appalled

andruil:

Hate to send your blood boiling, but pension plans that are negotiated often have provisions like that, where service working for the union is counted as service with the original company.

DebinNC

WSL livestream Blago verdict

daddy the wanna' be heretic

"I can spot an Anduril post within the first paragraph most of the time. I have never read past the third paragraph in anything he has written in at least a year."

You got me beat DoT,

I screwed up about 4 months back and read one, so I had to reset the clock:( Before that it was back when Porchlight got naked in that Chris Muir Day by Day cartoon. Anybody got a link to that? I can't seem to find it-grrrrr.

Clarice

Do not miss today's Taranto. After today I do not see how Greg Sargent can dare to be seen in public.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704554104575435484116485898.html#printMode>Mosqueteer

anduril

Hate to send your blood boiling, but pension plans that are negotiated often have provisions like that, where service working for the union is counted as service with the original company.

Worry not. My blood's not boiling. I'm way past that. Still, in an intellectual sense, I'm outraged. No point boiling my blood, though, since I'm powerless to change the situation. Yeah, yeah, I vote every election.

Appalled

DOT:

What do you think about the decision? Seems like that rare thing -- a good 9th circuit opinion to me.

DebinNC

I count conviction ...making a false statement or representation

daddy the wanna' be heretic

Bummer:(

Will he still get to Dance With the Stars, or does he have to do hard time first?

anduril

Be interesting to see what Zagel does with this.

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