Less Than Ground Zero, Or, As The Mosque Turns...

We welcome aboard Howard Dean to the Good Ship Islamaphobia.

Comments

[Thomas Collins]

Even jihadist anti-Semites are Islamaphobes. See LUN.

San Fran Nan will have plenty of folks to investigate during her post-Speaker time in the House.

[Thomas Collins]

I know it's too early in a thread to go off-topic, but I can't resist slipping in a Prince Chuckie-boy LUN.

[Jim Ryan]

PELOSI: Howard, you need to be vestigated. Vestigated, Howard, you need to be vestigated.

DEAN: Nancy, uh...

AIDE: Ms. Speaker, we should really be-

PELOSI: But Howard needs to be vestigated. Rahm said we need to say they all need to be-

AIDE: We should be going, Ms. Speaker -

[PD]

TC - always good to get how-to-be-green tips from the Prince, whose very existence involves many times the consumption of any of us.

[Ranger]

Totally off topic, but...

http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/244181/when-blame-bush-fails-what-do-democrats-do>When ‘Blame Bush’ Fails, What Do Democrats Do?

A prominent Democratic pollster is circulating a survey that shows George W. Bush is 6 points more popular than President Obama in “Frontline” districts — seats held by Democrats that the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee sees as most vulnerable to Republican takeover. That Bush is more popular than Obama in Democratic-held seats is cause for outright fear.

[MarkO]

Too bad there's no RFK to push this joke of a president out. When Iran has the bomb and has moved into Iraq, and when the good war has gone bad, maybe then.

Good Lord, I can't believe I'm writing this stuff, but it is really an entirely likely future. Still, no RFK, even if Dean is posturing.

[bunkerbuster]

Obama is still more popular than Reagan or Clinton at the same point in their career, despite the fact that America's economy and geopolitical status were degraded so severely by a decade of Republican mismanagement. That doesn't mean Obama will go on to be as popular as Reagan or as successful for the country as Clinton, but it does mean he is an exceptionally capable politician...

[bunkerbuster]

And didn't Republicans blame Clinton for the recession that dragged down the early Bush II years and Carter for the one that bedeviled Reagan?

[Danube of Thought]

Yo, Bubu! Where you been, boy? We had two days of spirited threads about all those Islamophobe NY Dems, Harry Reid, Howard Dean and the rest of them. Included lots of polls about the views of New Yorkers and Americans in general--"the data are in!"

And yet we searched in vain for your invaluable input. Feeling a bit ill, were we?

[Danube of Thought]

From Ranger, on the Blago thread:

A prominent Democratic pollster is circulating a survey that shows George W. Bush is 6 points more popular than President Obama in “Frontline” districts — seats held by Democrats that the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee sees as most vulnerable to Republican takeover. That Bush is more popular than Obama in Democratic-held seats is cause for outright fear.

[Rich Berger]

I feel just like Flounder in Animal House - "Oh boy, is this great?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuXxy8cjZQA

[Danube of Thought]

Sorry, Ranger--didn't see that it was here. (Still early on the Coast.)

[Barbara]

TC,

I found this sentence in the article hilarious:

Last year Charles, cut carbon emissions by 4 per cent at his four households.

Prince Charles is always good for a little comic relief.

[narciso]

The Otter line, after they've trashed Flounder's fathers car, is more apt

[Danube of Thought]

Democrat Doug Schoen puts his finger on it: Obama's basic problem is that he has consistently pursued objectives that the voters do not want, and has ignored what they want him to do.

And in an extraordinary survey of 1,100 likely voters that has gotten little attention or publicity, the president’s own pollster, Joel Benenson, has shown clearly and demonstratively that the administration’s policies and general approach to governance not only have failed, but also have not addressed the American people’s fundamental concerns.

The Benenson survey shows that the administration’s approach is fundamentally at variance with the one voters desire. Voters favor tax cuts over government investment by a clear majority and are looking for candidates and parties that champion fiscal discipline, limited government, deficit reduction, a free market, pro-growth agenda, and comprehensive plans to create employment opportunities, enable entrepreneurship, and aid business creation.

[Ranger]

Sorry, Ranger--didn't see that it was here. (Still early on the Coast.)

Posted by: Danube of Thought | August 19, 2010 at 10:52 AM

No problem. I think it needed to be restated anyway, since it looks like Bubu completely missed the point of it.

Bubu,

Its not about how popular Obama is in the agrigate. The Dem strategy, as laid out by Obama himself, is that this election is a choice between him, and "going back to the policies of Bush." Well, if W is actually up on Obama by 6 points in those key districts the Dems have to win, then that is the preverbial asking the question you don't want to hear the answer to.

[Ignatz]

Two charts by John Taylor comparing our present rocket-to-the-surface-of-the-sun course with the safe reentry to sanity that Paul Ryan's roadmap would give us.
If every American had a copy of those two charts framed on their living room wall we wouldn't have another Dem congress in our lifetimes.

[Ignatz]

--since it looks like Bubu completely missed the point of it--

There's a dog-bites-man headline for ya.

[bunky]

"...........unexpectedly higher......."

[centralcal]

Oh bummer! Looks like Obama doesn't even play well in Peoria! According to PPP Polling, he even hurts candidates in ILLINOIS. lmao.

[Extraneus]

Yeah, but isn't Obama still talking about the car keys?

No, you can’t have the keys back -- you don’t know how to drive. (Applause.) You don’t know how to drive. They don’t know how to drive. [And here's the new wrinkle]

And I also want to point out, by the way, when you want to go forward in a car, what do you do? You put it in “D.” (Laughter.) When you want to go backwards, you put it in “R.” (Laughter.) We cannot go backwards -- we’ve got to move forwards. That’s what we’re fighting for in this election -- moving forwards. (Applause.)"

[Ranger]

I posted this in an earlier thread, but I guess I messed up the link, so here it is again:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/142202/Disapprove-Approve-Obama-Mosque-Remarks.aspx>More Disapprove Than Approve of Obama Mosque Remarks

Four in 10 do not have an opinion

Together, the data show that those who generally support Obama or are perhaps more neutral toward him are not highly engaged in the controversy over his remarks about the planned New York City mosque. At the same time, his opponents are engaged, leading to the more negative than positive evaluation of his statements.

I was originally interested in that take because of what it says about the enthusiasim gap for the mid-terms. But I have to say, upon further reflection, I think many more people may disagree and simply don't want to say so. Its an easy dodge when someone asks you what you think and you don't want to give an asnwer that you know might hurt your side or make you look 'bigoted' that you just don't know enough to have an oppinion. I just don't believe that 48% of Dems "don't know enough to say."

[caro]

Jane asked me to post this photo from Soylent.

What a guy!

[MarkO]

That Obama! What a wit! Incisive!
I nominate him for Jr. High secretary.
He kills me.

[DebinNC]

when you want to go forward in a car, what do you do? You put it in “D.” (Laughter.) When you want to go backwards, you put it in “R.”

I bet that is the extent of Obama's knowledge about or experience with cars.

[Danube of Thought]

It's also worth noting that at this point in Reagan's presidency marginal tax rates were still those of the Carter and previous administrations. What happened on January 1, 1983 was that the Reagan tax cuts took effect, and robust economic growth ensue for essentially the next quarter-century.

By contrast, the nation and its businesses today are looking at uncertain (but definitely not reduced) levels of taxation beginning January 1, 2001. They are also looking at huge uncertainties in the costs imposed on them by Obamacare, and in the effect on lenders, investors and venture capitalists brought on by this cuckoo Dodd bill.

[Danube of Thought]

*ensued*

*January 1, 2011*

[matt]

Bermuda is looking very tempting as a permanent abode right now.The clown show keeps on getting more absurd. It would seem Imam Rauf simply wants to create a firestorm of controversy rather that actually accomplishing anything. In this he has succeeded.

Obama continues to speak Austrian to the electorate while his associates scamper as fast as they can away from the toxic legislative mess enacted over the past 18 months.

In the meantime, the economy is still dire as the corporatist Gross issues self serving pronunciamatos.

The land of zero income taxes and some of the best wreck diving I've seen is looking like a prime choice for the Republic of JOM. Off to investigate exotic native customs with Lovie.

[cathyf]

DoT, on the subject of bear-baiting... (or babu-baiting)

Ya know how in NCIS occasionally Gibbs will just give Tony that withering glare from across the room and Tony will say, "sorry, boss," and Gibbs-smack himself?

Consider yourself glared at...

[Danube of Thought]

Worse than Carter.

[Captain Hate]

I bet that is the extent of Obama's knowledge about or experience with cars.

Would you trust the Indonesian Imbecile with anything having a manual transmission and more high powered than a golf cart?

[NK]

Paraphrasing the great Gen. George S. Patton, I feel sorry for that BuBu SOB, I really do. Think about the plight of true believers like BuBu; BHO is a proven worse than useless'effin muppet just as we wingers argued, AGW/Cap and Trade is dead b/c of Dems, the economy -- Ugh-- and the Dems made everything worse by adding TRILLIONS of deficit spending which did nothing (except bribe the UAW and state/muni union workers) and add useless debt that we have pay forever, and worst of all and I mean worst of all for BuBu and his ilk, the only success of the BHO crew is peacefully exiting Iraq "Mission Accomplished" just as W planned, and simultaneously the lefty pundits (Dowd, Robinson, Beinart et al) are begging W to bailout BHO on the Mosque disaster. Man that must hurt BuBu. And again to paraphrase Gen Patton, in November the voters are going to tear the everliving guts out of the Dems to grease the wheels of a change in government; Obamacare will be repealed-- with Dem supported veto proof majorities and BHO will be primaried in 2012-- if he runs. BuBu I feel for you man.

[The Ace]

despite the fact that America's economy and geopolitical status were degraded so severely by a decade of Republican mismanagement

Laugh out loud funny.

Name two just 2, of these alleged mismangement items.

I would love to hear this, clown...

[narciso]

"How did we get here" as David Byrne, put it,
in the LUN

[NK]

Ace said: Name two just 2, of these alleged mismangement items.

I would love to hear this, clown...

Ace, as a diehard conservative I can get to 5:

1. $80B/year war funding WITHOUT $80B in cuts to non-essential civil spending;

2. Farm Bill boondoggle;

3. Medicare Part D perscription spending without paying for it;

4. signing Repub Congress earmarks;

5. Not going to the wall over Fannie Mae fraud before it was to late.

That's 5. I admit three were bipartisan and a fourth (Fannie Mae) meant fighting Dem demagoguery, but hey the Repubs were in charge so they get the hit. Now BuBu, don't get too excited; what your left wing Dem crew has done since January 2009 is ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE WORSE. They are killing the private sector --especially working people who are stuck in unemployment-- with Obamacare and tax increases because they kill small buiness hiring and we are stuck with really scary debt -debt ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE WORSE than the Repubs-- that accomplished nothing. At least the Repub war debt kept us safe from Jihadis -- remember Joe Biden says Iraq is BHO's greatest accomplishment-- ouch!.

[The Ace]

Ace, as a diehard conservative I can get to 5:

I got you, but did all 5 of those really cause the recession?
Also, babu conveniently forgets the "Republicans" were not in charge for "a decade"...

I would say #5 really did, but certainly a case can be made that the new entitlements enacted under W do not help in these lean times...

[Threadkiller]

when you want to go forward in a car, what do you do? You put it in “D.” (Laughter.) When you want to go backwards, you put it in “R.”

But you can't do any shifting without a transmission, which starts with "T."

Tea Partiers own this car!

[Jim Ryan]

Wait. The The Ace?!

[Tom Bowler]

BHO will be primaried in 2012-- if he runs.

A while ago I made a prediction along those lines, though I wasn't altogether sure it would come true. It's looking better all the time.

[darwin]

That Democrats support Political Correctness should not surprise anyone. That the Right is so enthusiastic about it is a bit odd.

The concept that one determines whether something is appropriate based on the level of outrage mustered in response means that changing ones view when there is enough outrage is actually logically consistent. What matters isn't that people are outraged FOR A REASONABLE REASON, just the fact that they are outraged suffices.

Now how exactly post-facto outrage (which, I guess, can't be manipulated or ginned up.. except when someone draws a cartoon of mohammed?) turns a formerly reasonable action into something that's unreasonable without any additional action from the original actor.. well..

=darwin

[jimmyk]

At this point in their presidencies:

Reagan-passed large cuts in tax rates, made credible plans to slow the growth of non-defense spending

Clinton-abandoned nationalized health care; subsequently a Republican sweep forced him to move to the center.

Obama-contrived to pass highly unpopular healthcare bill by a parliamentary maneuver; plans to raise taxes sharply in the depths of a recession; has fiscal policy that projects unprecedented debt accumulation and permanently higher spending, and the necessity of even higher taxes.

Yeah, he should be as popular as Reagan in no time.

[Sue]

How crazy is it when the sane voices in the democratic party are Howard Dean and Harry Reid? ::shudder::

[Threadkiller]

Darwin,

Does your theory apply to the left for the pre-facto rage over SB1070 before it was law?

[demswantdaddy]

Worse than Nixon.

He should try to know something about cars since his you knews ruined banking and auto.

He has no fault and this is just his coming, what he's owed. Same with that guy who wanted to talk to him on the phone, and oil thing and the other stuff them bad people do.

He is an apologist that demands money in compensation; you owe and wil pay or else. Pain, seeing, hearing and now a Mosque. Ain't nothin but the real thing...........You want it that way, you like it don't ya, Luvin it?

[Danube of Thought]

Darwin, we're glad to see you've recovered from the mysterious illness that kept you away these past two days.

"Political Correctness" is generally understood to be a term of opprobrium these days, and its generally accepted meaning would fit those who say no one should have any objection to this mosque. Of course, like that other term of opprobrium, "judicial activism," it is easy to supply one's own meaning in a given case and apply it to one's opponents.

It appears that you now recognize that there is considerable outrage, but because you don't share it it must therefore be unreasonable. I would suggest that that is far from a persuasive argument.

[NK]

Ace I agree generally what you're saying. The recession was caused by the business cycle, 7+ years between recessions is about right. But in my view the economic disaster we have on our hands was caused by: 1. greed-- from WS bankers packaging synthetic derivatives et al to the fools who signed no doc no down mortgages, to the mortgage brokers who peddled them to the homebuilders
to Home Depot/Lowes etc etc etc all skewing the economy to rely on unsustainable debt 2. Alan Greenspan foolishly assuming everyone was as intelligent and honest as he was and missing the fact that they 2002-2006 easy money would feed blind greed; 3. FANIE MAE EXECS -- a biggie -- starting in 2005 them buying up every mortgage backed security thereby taking risk away from WS and regional bankers, they supercharged Greenspan's easy money and set all of us up for the fall 4. The Dem Congress and BHO; 5. World economy driving Oil from $35/Barrel in 2002 to $75/barrel today.
The Repubs were guilty of "mismanagement" in the 5 examples I gave, but failing to rein in Fannie was the only one that contributed to the disaster. The current Dem crew is guilty of worsening and prolonging the disater. Cheers.

[narciso]

Well the problem really stems from the CRA revisions, then the HUD regulations by Cisneros and later Cuomo, (yes the one running
for Governor), I agree with Greenspan, and this is not the first time he did this, the
2000-2002 recession, occurred because the
interest rate spike then, helped pop the
tech bubble, and unravel the Enron, and other
ponzi schemes. Raines and Gorelick's work at
Fannie was an extension of the skullduggery
they engaged in, at OMB and Justice respectively

[JSU]

There are a couple of people who call themselves "The Ace" in comment sections.

Ace of Spades is not one of them.

[NK]

Narcisco-- Agreed on CRA, Gorelick, Raines and Johnson and what they did at FANNIE-- why are they not in Federal prison, I have no idea. yes I do, they are DEM political cronies and DC insiders. Pox on all of them.

[Danube of Thought]

I think it will be fun to see Howard Dean challenge Obama. There is nothing more enjoyable than Democrats in disarray.

[narciso]

Specially that Raines is on to a new scam, with the Chicago Climate Exchange, the question is who would charge them, and who would prosecute

[Jane]

Thanks Caro, I loved it even if it didn't get a response.

This morning on moonbat television they were waxing over whether Hailey Barbour could run for president against Obama because he has a southern accent.

Cause we are all post-racial and all that.

[Jane]

Clarice,

I hope you will dedicate a good part of your Pieces this week to the dismantling of Patrick Fitzgerald.

[Sue]

Meanwhile, democratic strategists are telling democratic candidates to run away from Obama.

Happy days are here again...

that shows George W. Bush is 6 points more popular than President Obama in “Frontline” districts — seats held by Democrats that the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee sees as most vulnerable to Republican takeover. That Bush is more popular than Obama in Democratic-held seats is cause for outright fear. …

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/08/19/dem-strategists-to-candidates-walk-away-from-obama/Hot Air

[Rick Ballard]

Sue,

I liked this even better: "He is a walking radioactive disaster," one senior Democratic operative said of the president."

Chernobama - the pile is melting down.

[Rob Crawford]

This morning on moonbat television they were waxing over whether Hailey Barbour could run for president against Obama because he has a southern accent.

Cause we are all post-racial and all that.

The real issue there is that nothing sets a tranzi's teeth on edge like a Southern accent.

[bgates]

This morning on moonbat television they were waxing over whether Hailey Barbour could run for president against Obama because he has a southern accent.

"Welcome back to 'What You Should Think'. Our next topic is the New York Community Center that has attracted an awful lot of venom, hasn't it, Lance?"
"You're right, Candi, it has. And it's really unfortunate, because the hatred that's being stirred up is an example of what's called 'Islamophobia'."
"Sounds scary. When I hear that I don't know what I should think!"
"Islamophobia is scary, Candi. But as FDR said, the only thing to fear is the fear itself. There are Muslims associated with the community center, and that has led some people to draw a guilt by association with the tragedy of 9/11. But President Obama made some great points about that: First, Muslims themselves suffered as much or more in the events of that day than anyone. Second, the Muslims involved in the community center are not the same ones involved in the attacks - there are millions of Muslims, and you can't judge the apple by the barrel. Third, 9/11 was almost ten years ago. At some point we have to let go of the past."
"Those are excellent arguments, Lance! Now I feel like I know what to think. So, best wishes to the folks trying to build a community center for New York City."
"Next up: Haley Barbour has presidential ambitions, but he's the governor of Mississippi. Can America afford to reopen the fresh wounds of Jim Crow and segregation that were inflicted by southern governors within living memory of some?"

[Neo]

Obama embraced the notion of government as religion ..
A People's Temple .. and they all drank the Kool-Aid

[Thomas Collins]

OK, first I off-topic LUN on Prince Chuckie, and now I off-topic LUN on Roger Clemens. I promise, this is it for my off-topic LUNS today (that is, unless something juicy shows up on TMZ).

[Ranger]

Obama seems to be stabalizing at 41-52 in the Gallup daily tracking. You have to admit that it takes some real political skill to go from -1 to -11 in just 7 days in the middle of summer. I still think he has it in him to punch through that 40% floor, but he may have to think up another issue to do it on.

[glasater]

Haley Barbour would make a terrific president.

I would submit that $140 barrel of oil had something to do with the financial crisis.
Do I drive my car or pay the mortgage--the car won...

[narciso]

They cooked up that sample, like a roast pig
on a spit, after concluding like Scotty, 'Capt, I'm givin' it all I can" but the next
one should go lower

[Danube of Thought]

Hordes of Mohammedans have joined the crazed right-wing U.S. nuballs in opposing the mosque:

A number of Al Azhar ulema expressed their opposition to building a mosque near [where] the events of September 11 [occurred], convinced that it is “a conspiracy to confirm a clear connection between the strikes of September [11] and Islam.” Dr. ‘Abd al-Mu‘ti Bayumi, a member of the Islamic Research Academy [of Al Azhar] told Al Masry Al Youm that he rejects the building of any mosque in this area [Ground Zero], because the “devious mentality” desires to connect these events [of 9/11] with Islam, though he maintains that Islam is innocent of this accusation. Instead, it is a “Zionist conspiracy,” which many are making use of to harm the religion. Likewise, Dr. Amna Nazir, professor of doctrine and philosophy at Al Azhar, expressed her rejection that a mosque be built near the World Trade Center, saying: “Building a mosque on this rubble indicates bad intention — even if we wished to shut our eyes, close our minds, and insist on good will. I hope it is a sincere step, and not a new conspiracy against Islam and Muslims.”

It's all here.

[daddy the wanna' be heretic]

Dennis Prager has an interesting point today:

He says that the mainstream Left (NYTimes, Elected Politicians etc) constantly demonizes the character of its opponents on the Right when there is disagreement, yet that from the mainstream Right there is nothing equivalent. From the mainstream Right it is disagreement with the ideas of the Left, but not with the character of the Left individuals holding those ideas.

As example he starts off with the anti-Mosque position. From the NYTimes etc, Harry Reid's opposition is "disappointing." But the Right's opposition is because the Right "are all bigots." He said simply google Dennis Prager and any curse words and see what comes up.

Those who support the Arizona Law are not wrong, they are "racists".

Those who support Big Oil are not wrong, but are venal and greedy and uncaring, etc.

Was an interesting point, and he made it much better than I on my first cup of coffee, but it was interesting enough that I'll start paying attention. Let's see if Howard Dean or Harry Reid now are ever deemed "bigots" because of their Mosque opposition, or if they still get a pass by the Left as simply "disappointing," "misguided" etc.

FWIW, he doesn't count Talk Radio. He's talking Papers, elected officials, and the Networks, because he says if you want to talk Talk Radio guys, he can easily show how the Left Talkers (Ed Schultz, Randy Rhodes, etc, are way worse than what you'll generally hear from the Right Talkers)

[narciso]

daddy, did you catch the Slaiby interview on Greta last night, it was flanked by the pure
bred idiocy of Inslee, arguing the wonderful world of battery powered cars and stuff

[Clarice]

Jane, I think I'll do some on it, but really the mosque developments are too funny to leave alone.

[centralcal]

The other day several of us got to speculating on what had happened to Ted Olson. Well, I didn't know he had remarried and she is a lifelong Dem - named, Lady Booth. Guess she has "softened" him up.

[anduril]

Via FR:

Imam Obama (Vanity)

Posted on Thu Aug 19 2010 12:51:09 GMT-0500 (CDT) by Ancient Drive

there I said it. make it go viral.

[Pofarmer]

It's surreal. Fox News Radio has been doing soundbites assuring me that the POTUS isn't a Muslim. Where could people get the idea that he sympathizes with Islam?

The other quote from the Whitehouse? "He's a devoted Christian, who doesn't wear his faith on his sleeve."

Uhm, O.K.

[Captain Hate]

Well, I didn't know he had remarried and she is a lifelong Dem - named, Lady Booth. Guess she has "softened" him up.

No fool like an old horny fool. Thanks cc, that explains it.

[Clarice]

Maybe if he hadn't himself said "my Moslem faith", tongue polished the Saudi King's shoes and switched from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama people might not have that unfounded belief.

And then there's 20 years at the feet of Rev wright's not really Christian church.

I don't think he's a Moslem, myself. I think he's a godless Marxist, but what do I know. I thought Fitz was NOT Ellliot Ness ith a law degree but a modern Torquemada.

[Jack is Back!]

Matt,

Bermuda is looking very tempting as a permanent abode right now.

Good luck finding a place to live. A Bermudian can only sell his house or condo to another Bermudian. There are only about 10 non-Bermudian properties a year that come up for sale. Those you can buy. Renting is an option (if you're like a billionaire).

My paternal side are all Brits who became Bermudians before emigrating permanently to America. We had a substantial business there turn of the century and before WW2. Its my favorite place on earth outside of the States but even I can't qualify for homestead since they gave up their citizenship to become American.

On the other hand, have you looked into Grenada?

[squaredance]

TC:
So this gives new meaning to the "Order of the Bath", eh?

[anduril]

Pretty funny, the WH issuing a statement--two years after the guy was elected--trying to tell Americans what the hell this guy believes. I am a Christian! But in context that comes out to most everyone as: I am NOT a Muslim! You're in trouble when you've been in everyone's living room (ad nauseam) for two years and they still don't know who you are. And that's what Pew's Cooperman says:

"I think overall the picture that we see is of uncertainty and confusion about the president and religion."

Uh huh. And who's fault is that?

[anduril]

Hmmm. This is interesting:

"The Pew poll found that about three in 10 of Obama's fiercest political rivals, Republicans and conservatives, say he is a Muslim. That is up significantly from last year and far higher than the share of Democrats and liberals who say so. But even among his supporters, the number saying he is a Christian has fallen since 2009, with just 43 percent of blacks and 46 percent of Democrats saying he is Christian."

The guy even confuses his supporters. Now that really is a problem.

[Extraneus]

Drudge has a great pic over the 24% THINK OBAMA MUSLIM headline.

[Pofarmer]

So, Roger Clemens is being indicted for lying to Congress, for something that wasn't illegal. When do we get to indict Congress for lying to us?

[Jane]

Did anyone hear HOward Dean on CNBC this morning? I cannot believe it has not gone viral.

He was on with Dick Army who kept asking him why he was opposed to privatizing social security - finally, all flustered he said:

Because people cannot be trusted in this country!

Howard Dean finally reveals the left's true thinking.

[Dave (in MA)]

off-topic LUN on Roger Clemens

TC, I sent the link about Clemens to a friend of mine as an IM and the messenger transformed some of the characters in the article's timestamp to: http://elouai.com/images/yahoo/a29.gif>, which I found appropriate somehow.

[Carol Herman]

The neighborhood is crap! It was crap when buildings were torn down to make way for the Twin Towers. And, then? Space couldn't be rented. THIS is the problem. That islam wants a mosque? They don't own the ground! To go ahead now would require KELO "for religious purposes." Hardly likely.

Maybe, today's lawyers are yesterday's hedge fund morons? They kept tossing good money at a system that was inflating like a bubble. Only to BUST.

No Emile Zola. No justice. Just the Bernie Madoff's who have an "in" ... and eventually only go south on their own.

Meanwhile, you won't see anything approaching the Twin Towers getting re-built. Port Authority no longer wants to commit any money? Did they get insurance payouts? Yes, indeed.

Somebody should take the Mohammed-bomb head logo and superimpose it on the "planned mosque." Let's see that one fly!

[squaredance]

Yes, one has to wonder why any one would think that a person who chose the name Barack Hussein Obama would be considers a Muslim for even one knuckle-dragging, good-ole-boy second. Pretty racist stuff.

Good grief, what idiocy!

Seriously, anyone who cannot tell from all of this that he is on the side of the Muslims is being willfully obtuse. He most certainly is in their pocket. Does he drag out the prayer mat several times a day? Not likely?

Does it matter? Not at all.

It was obvious from the moment he came out campaigning. He is thoroughly alien to the USA in belief, education, thought, manner, word and deed. His very speaking patterns and elocution are alien. Never has a POTUS behaved has he has. It all is down right creepy, and the aware were pointing in out in 2008. He is not one of us.

It is a preposterous question for his supporters to equivocate upon, but they just cannot help themselves. This sort of selective parsing and narrowing of definitions to avoid the truth, along with the ever present dodges of straw man arguments and ad hominem fallacies, seem all that they are intellectually capable of. They will be mincing about like this when the scimitar falls on their pencil necks.

Why there are not millions converging on DC with torches and pitchforks in hand is beyond me.

The elites are in the pay of our enemies. Why cannot this be grasped?

That is not to say that they are not overjoyed to see to our destruction, but that is the gravy.

[squaredance]

Well, Dean has a point: Obama got 52% of the vote.

Hardly instills trust in me.

[pagar]

"Salt in the Wound" Video.

May God Bless America!

[daddy the wanna' be heretic]

"daddy, did you catch the Slaiby interview on Greta"

I did Narciso

. I half typed a comment but then deleted it because I figured nobody would know what I was talking about.
Slaiby did great. Had never seen him before, but he's the guy Fagan always has on who explains the nuts and bolts of the Oil business, and especially the enormously expensive and cumbersome gauntlet they always have to navigate through to try to do their drilling. Very sharp guy. Glad you caught that.

And yes Inslee et al are idiots, as in Obama's comments yesterday about windmills, batteries, solar panels etc being viable to wean the country off Oil, Gas, nuke, etc. Profoundly stupid.

[pagar]

Jane, do you have a link to the Howard Dean Statement? I haven't found it anywhere on the net yet.

[Captain Hate]

Howard Dean is like Sheriff Joe without a political perch; he's a ticking timebomb of dumbass statements but he's not in any position in which people give a rat's ass about what he does. The Sunday gabfests love him because he can ramble endlessly on any topic; saying nothing intelligent but filling up time during which there's a good chance he'll really step in it like in the statement above. If the donks had any sense they'd keep that soak perpetually sedated but they're the donks and wouldn't dare do anything to offend the Kostards who looooooove the doctor of malpractice.

[Extraneus]

Another piece of evidence pointing to his lack of singular historic genius.

He could have easily chosen a church in DC and spent the hour taking his family there on Sundays, just for show. Michelle and the kids all dressed up, the "optics" would have been fantastic.

Now it's impossible for Imam Obama put on such a show.

[PD]

daddy, Prager has apparently caught on to the idea that to the Right, the Left are stupid, but to the Left, the Right are evil.

[Extraneus]

That's what Rush has been calling him lately, but I think Shiekh would probably be more proper.

[PD]

I suppose Howard Dean thinks that privatizing S.S. is bad because it's risky to invest in the market.

Where does he think union pension funds are invested?

[DebinNC]

Susan Estrich's latest is about Haley Barbour, who she fears and considers the Republican candidate she'd least like to face. Each of the many times Michael Steele has made me groan, I've pined for someone with the ability and appeal Haley Barbour exhibited in that role. I sincerely hope he's considering a prez run in '12.

[PD]

Jobs Outlook Isn't Just Bad, It May Be Getting Worse:

Lead sentence:

An anticipated gradual gain in US employment has turned into a surprising deterioration...

Yeah, surprising.

[Captain Hate]

Hardly instills trust in me.

Is the glass ever less than 99% empty for you? I sympathize with a lot of what you write but you continually sound like somebody drumming up business for Kevorkian. Things are looking tentatively positive for the country; try to enjoy it and not be a buzzkill.

[Jane]

Jane, do you have a link to the Howard Dean Statement? I haven't found it anywhere on the net yet.

No, someone called to tell me about it. He said he could not believe it had not gone viral. I'll email him for a link.

[squaredance]

Boy, if that does not look like the face of a sociopath I do not what would.

Looks like he is hitting the sauce.

[DebinNC]

surprising deterioration

Someone looked up unexpected in a thesaurus.

[Jack is Back!]

Rush is also referring to Barry as Barack Hoover Obama. They can't pay him enough to come up with this stuff. To bad PUK isn't around anymore he could parlay his wit and one-ups to Rush for a small fortune. Every time I see Barry I think "Lincoln Continental", I kid you not.

[hit and run]

Jane, do you have a link to the Howard Dean Statement? I haven't found it anywhere on the net yet.

No, someone called to tell me about it. He said he could not believe it had not gone viral. I'll email him for a link.

Only thing I found was a piece on it at http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/19/armey-ss-medicare-optional/>Think Progress from the lefty viewpoint. Since I'm not watching the video,I don't know if they clipped it such that Dean wasn't given ample room to display his wisdom.

[daddy the wanna' be heretic]

PD,

Yep. It really was an interesting segment on Prager's show today. Hour 2 I think. Anyhow, here's a link to a Prager column from last month pretty much saying the same thing, but he really did a good job today using the Mosque opposition as a starting point to make his case. ">http://townhall.com/columnists/DennisPrager/2010/07/27/the_left_hates_conservatives"> The Left Hates Conservatives

[DebinNC]

Is this the Armey/Dean interview? I watched the last couple of minutes for the team, but the quote wasn't there. Armey seemed to be having a great time though, and Dean looked perturbed. :)