Now Poll On "Is Obama A Liar?"

Gary Langer of ABC News explains the "Obama is a Muslim"poll results, giving the same explanation as the AllahPundit.  From Langer:

...People in fact may voice an attitude not as an affirmed belief – a statement of perceived factual reality – but rather as what my colleagues and I have taken to calling “expressed belief” – a statement intended to send a message, not claim a known fact.
 
It’s human nature. Some people who strongly oppose a person or proposition will take virtually any opportunity to express that antipathy. Offer a negative attribute, they’ll grab it – not to express their “belief,” in its conventional meaning, but rather to throw verbal stones at that which they so thoroughly dislike.

Or from the AP, with more flair:

Essentially, when polling people who dislike candidate X, the specifics of the questions are almost irrelevant. As long as they’re negatively inclined — e.g., “Is Obama a werewolf?” — you’ll get a certain core percentage willing to say yes. The news in this poll is that as much as 18 percent think being a Muslim is inherently negative.

To which I would say, yes, but... Saying Obama is a Muslim amounts to saying he is a liar.  Hence, one might feel utterly neutral about Muslims and still use it as a club to beat Obama. 

Just to belabor the obvious, folks who walk around saying that Tom Maguire is a Red Sox fan either don't know me or don't trust me (and clearly have far too much free time), but I don't suppose they are making much of a statement about Red Sox Nation.

I would also add this - Mr. Langer might want to reflect on why the media loves this "people think Obama's a Muslim" story so.  I don't recall similar hand-wringing about polls showing support for the absurdly anti-Bush Truther theorizing (with which Howard Dean publicly flirted).

The obvious guess is that the media is comfortable bloviating about ignorant, conspiratorial right-wing nut-jobs, with a quick segue to the perils of Beck, Limbaugh and Palin; similar ruminations about the left take them out of their comfort zone.

Comments

[anduril]

Or is that "New"?

[anduril]

heh, just bought a new keyboard. logitech claims it'll enhance my typing experience and maybe cut down on typos. seems good. slows me down slightly, but keeps me going at a steadier pace.

[Jeff]

if answered honestly about 60% knew he was a liar on election night 2008 ... the libs knew and liked it and the conservatives knew and voted against him ...
now the independents know he is a liar so a poll today with honest answers should net about a 90% yes response ...
try talking your way out of that one Barry ...

[narciso]

How about it's a stupid question, and it deserves a stupid answer

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[anduril]

Some people who strongly oppose a person ... will take virtually any opportunity to express that antipathy. Offer a negative attribute, they’ll grab it – not to express their “belief,” in its conventional meaning, but rather to throw verbal stones at that which they so thoroughly dislike.

In fairness, I've never been called a Muslim.

[Army of Davids]

Not only are Democrats politically vulnerable on the 40% hike in the minimum wage going into a recession.

It's good economics to reverse that stupidity.

[BumperStickerist]

I did some googling to try and get the polling results on how many people "believe" that Bush went AWOL while he was assigned to the Texas ANG. No luck, but the exercise brought back a lot of sweet-sweet Leftie nuts-and-flakes memories.

The Left: Bested by a Chimp, twice.

aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

As for Obama's religion - the basic details are that Obama attended Rev. Wright's church for the better part of 20 years.

That's about 1,000 opportunities for worship plus Christmas and Easter - figure about 1,100 in all.

Given his schedule, figure that Obama attended 550 to 600 services.

My problem with Obama is that he spent over 500 hours attending a church in which he, demonstrably, learned nothing.

Worse, Obama expressed surprise at something that anybody else would have noticed after, say, the fourth or fifth service.

I said at the time that the only acceptable answer for Obama regarding Rev. Wright was to appeal to men - "Sure I attended services at this church - because my wife wanted to go and it was a good thing for the kids, once we had kids, and the music was good - but I kind of zoned out during the service and went to my happy place ... after which we had coffee."

There's not one sane man on the planet who'd fail to give Obama a break on the Wright issue, had he said it.

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[Ignatz]

--In fairness, I've never been called a Muslim.--

Things anduril hasn't been called. Shortest list in the world? :)

[MayBee]

I know most of the Dem members of my family "know" that Bush went AWOL from TANG, even if all the evidence for it was fake.
Additionally, several of them would forgive any other person from going AWOL during Vietnam.

It is not a new phenomenon at all.

I still can't figure out why the Muslim question in polled, and why it gets so much play in the media.

[narciso]

But that would be a lie, considering the title of his book, the subject of many of his
speeches and aim of many of his policies

[Danube of Thought]

You mean Maguire isn't a Red Sox fan? Bullshit.

[daddy]

Is Obama a Liar?

Hmmm.

If he's a Christian and he says he's a Christian, then he isn't a liar.

If he's a Muslim and he says he's a Christian then he is a liar (but it's OK because as a Muslim he's allowed to lie in order to advance Islam.)

If he's a Christian and says (like he supposedly did to that Egyptian Cleric) that he's a Muslim, then he's a liar.

But then since he's in the NAACP he could be like the former head of that organization, Ben Chavis Muhammed, who said he was both a Baptist Minister and a Muslim at the same time, in which case he's not a liar unless he says he's a Hindu.

Or maybe it depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is, or "isLam" is. If the "is" means "is" "isLam" and never has been, that is not--- that is one thing.
If it means there "is" "isLam" is none, that was a completely true statement. Worked for a previous Dem Perjuring President...

Ow. My head hurts again.

Hit, Do you think you could Venn Diagram this for us on some kinda' flow chart? I'm off to walk the dog to the Liquor Store. Later.

[Captain Hate]

Everybody knew Clinton was a liar and he got two terms because the economy wasn't completely in the toilet.

[Appalled]

TM:

Alternative threory:

People figure Obama is Muslim/Kenyan because they cannot relte to him, cannot understand him, and therefore attach a handy label which means "utterly foreign to my experience." Since nobody accused Bill Clinton of being a Muslim, or even non-Christian, I don't think you have a one to one correspondence here.

Also, I think you have to accept a certain group in the "think he's Muslim/Kenyan" category think that because they are conditioned to attach labels they consider bad to non-white folk.

[Janet]

The media is the big liar that matters. Obama doesn't know what the hell he is saying....he is just playing a role written for him by others. "It isn't a lie, it's the script!"

[Neo]

Hey when Truman decided to recognize Israel, they called him "a Jew" but he never was.

On the other hand, Obama had been a Muslim, but I think Frank Marshall Davis cured him of that.

[Neo]

"it's the script!"

So you're saying it isn't a case of "wagging the dog" as much as Obama being the tail.

[maryrose]

So obama doesn't want to wear his birth certificate on his forehead all the time...He darn well better do something because he and his dem party are going in the tank. It sounds so arrogantly obama. He 'd produce it if he didn't have questionable parentage issues, foreign student AA and scholarship issues and poor grades.He said everything but Nyah Nyah Nyah.

[Danube of Thought]

Since nobody accused Bill Clinton of being a Muslim

Substitute "Hussein" for "Jefferson," and "Muslim father" for "drunk," and a few accusers might have surfaced.

[Captain Hate]

It's pretty funny that the MFM runs all these stories about the confusion about Obunko without pointing out that they were complicit in not vetting him two years ago when these questions surfaced and he began giving deliberately vague answers.

[Clarice]

Can anyone point to any difference between rev wright's beliefs and sermons and Farrakhan's..?

[Janet]

That's what I think Neo. He for sure has/had backers that shepherded him through the political system in Chicago.

LUN is a Newsbuster article - Stephanopoulos on the Obama Muslim myth.

"ABC anchor zeroed-in on: "You can't blame the President for wanting this to go away. He also blamed many in the media for perpetuating these kind of myths. But is there anything more he has to do affirmatively to address this, or just hope that it goes away?"

Here is an idea...how about some NEWS reporters ask Obama some hard questions about his upbringing in a Muslim country, about his Christian faith, about Wright's church, about Black Liberation Theology, about Uncle Frank,....! They are like "Duh...a politician said one thing, why don't some of the people believe him?"
How about looking for the Birth Certificate rather than the Certification of Live Birth? How bout his college admissions, ask HIM how he got into Harvard & how he paid for it....ask the man some questions for heavens sake!
Our news media is broken, broken, broken. Just idiots.

[Rob Crawford]

Can anyone point to any difference between rev wright's beliefs and sermons and Farrakhan's..?

One of them calls for cash to be pumped into Farrakhan's pocket, the other one calls for cash to be pumped into Wright's pocket.

[windansea]

from redstate:

our guy vs their guy..

Disclosure: I am a golf pro and also enjoy body surfing so I don't think either sport is wimpy. :)

[Janet]

Exactly Clarice.

[windansea]

PS saw a great comment at legal insurrection re the umbrella photo

"Barry Poppins"

[Rob Crawford]

PS saw a great comment at legal insurrection re the umbrella photo

"Barry Poppins"

Meh. She was "practically perfect in every way"; far from what I'd say about The Won.

[MayBee]

It just seems to me we can ask the American people to get all involved in the President's personal beliefs and attributes and risk some of us not not believing it, or we don't ask the American people to get all involved in the President's personal beliefs and attributes.

As it is, we are supposed to accept the PR package that is put together in an attempt to sell us a candidate.
For Obama it was: Church-attending Christian, Loving father, athletic sports fan, devoted husband of strong, fashionable wife.

None of that has anything to do with his ability to be a President. We're free to believe it or not, just as they are free to assert it or not.

[Extraneus]

I still can't figure out why the Muslim question in polled, and why it gets so much play in the media.

Me, neither, because while it allows the media to preen and call a lot of people idiots, it still doesn't play to Obama's advantage.

[Porchlight]

As it is, we are supposed to accept the PR package that is put together in an attempt to sell us a candidate.

Well, in Obama's case it was different, since he had this little trouble of having published an intimate and not particularly flattering self-portrait a decade earlier. He didn't just claim to be any old mainstream Christian that went to church once in awhile. He claimed, very specifically, to have answered a call to Christ in the presence of his spiritual advisor, Reverend Wright. He named another book after one of Wright's speeches. He simply couldn't pretend to know nothing about the man when the question came up. His anwswer when asked about it was patently disingenuous at best, a total lie at worst.

All of this had to be spun, and anyone questioning the new proffered narrative had to be discredited. This continues today.

[MarkO]

There is considerably more compelling and clear evidence that Obama is a liar than that he is a Muslim. A court could take judicial notice that he is a liar.

Now, such evidence casts doubt on everything else he represents. Impeach him in several ways.

[anduril]

Michael Hirsh's article at Newsweek,

Obama’s Old Deal: Why the 44th president is no FDR—and the economy is still in the doldrums.

really isn't worth wading through for the information, but perhaps as an example of growing MSM/Liberal disillusionment.

[anduril]

"In other Washington rally news," observes humorist Jim Treacher of The Daily Caller, "Al Sharpton has gone from the Million Man March to the Dozen Dude Dud."

[Neo]

Making history ...

Gallup: GOP Takes Unprecedented 10-Point Lead on Generic Ballot (51-41)

[DebinNC]

Pew poll qustion:
ASK ALL:
Q.58 Now, thinking about Barack Obama’s religious beliefs… Do you happen to know what Barack Obama’s religion is? Is he Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, atheist, agnostic, or something else?

Results: Christian 34%, Muslim 18%, Buddist 1%, Something Else 1% /Refused to Answer 2%, Don't Know 43%

So many options may have been confusing. I think the Time poll only asked "Christian or Muslim?" but coming on the heels of Obama's GZM affirmation may have skewed the results.

[Porchlight]

Gallup: GOP Takes Unprecedented 10-Point Lead on Generic Ballot (51-41)

Per Geraghty last week, the Gallup generic ballot was tied in August 1994.

It's gonna be a bloodbath, folks.

[Rob Crawford]

It's gonna be a bloodbath, folks.

There's still ten weeks. Don't count the MFM out, yet.

[Neo]

Get your copy of Steam doing "Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye" ready.

[Porchlight]

Don't count the MFM out, yet.

They will join battle and the races will tighten, for sure. But if they're going to coalesce around a central narrative, they'd better get busy, because the momentum is all in one direction.

[sylvia]

Yes I am very interested in that Globe cover, because now EVERYONE can see info about Obama being Muslim, whereas before, say if they were NYT readers, they probably never heard a thing about it. So I wonder how that might change things.

Also this Egyptian diplomat who said Obama told him he was a Muslim. Is that something people have heard of before? I haven't. And is that supposed to be credible? I know the Israeli press believes it.

[East Bay Jay]

I wonder how many 'points' the MFM can move the populace now. I'm not sure if they can even move something directionally! with any degree of confidence i.e. the backlash from the 'edumacation of the public' exceeds the 'frontal' impact. Since the MFM labeled us a country of Islamaphobes has the GZM gotten less or more popular? It seems to me it's gotten marginally less popular (just a few percentage points). Branding Teapartiers as racists may have initially thwarted tea party growth but now these charges are mostly met with derision that has likely firmed up tea party support. I can't be the only one that thinks 'if all they've got is 'you're a racist' then my positions must be bullet proof or they'd attack the substance'. Doesn't matter if that's wrong or right, the effect exists nonetheless.

[Pofarmer]

My question. How will the economy respond to Republicans taking the House in November?(assuming they do). How much damage can the Dim's do in the meantime? How much can actually be done if they can't over ride a Presidential veto?

[Pofarmer]

whereas before, say if they were NYT readers, they probably never heard a thing about it

They can hear what Obama says, and see what he does, which is all that is necessary.

[centralcal]

For every one Tea Party person who is able to attend a specific rally on any given date/time, how many more are at home cheering him and Tea Party on? I think there are millions of members of the Tea Party.

The MFM and their liberal cohort are vastly underestimating the Tea Party breadth and depth.

[Porchlight]

For every one Tea Party person who is able to attend a specific rally on any given date/time, how many more are at home cheering him and Tea Party on?

This is especially significant as Tea Party folks are by and large people who are new to protests and rallies. How many interviews have you read where someone says "I've never been to a protest rally before"?

And it's not easy to mobilize right-leaning folks to rally in a lefty urban center like DC. In that respect I think your average Tea Partier probably represents many more people at home than does your average lefty professional protester. And they also represent demographics who are far more likely to vote in midterms, period.

[Jack is Back!]

I think the reason the MFM is polling the Muslim question is to discredit (in their minds, mind you) the right through the zanys they find who believe that. Its similar to what Sully tries to do with the Christianist label. If they can show the independents out there that they are joining a cabal of freeking lunatics and not a mainstream populist movement like the tea parties they save the left's ass in November. This is right out of Goebbels play book as institutionalized by one David Axelrod. Believe me, there is a reverse psychology at play here. Why all of a sudden would the MFM want to raise the doubts and specter of Obama being a closet Muslim? This is their guy - he hasn't totally lost them to this kind of action. It has to be to cast him as victim since the reason 20% of the people answer affirmative is because they feel "vicitimized" by his policies and his regime.

[narciso]

I'm nearly of the same mind as Danube, by this point, it doesn't tell us what is really
important. He is a political radical, with third world sympathies, so the Moslem tag is
shorthand, for those who can't quite encapsulate the disparate strands of the President's CV, what we know of it

[sylvia]

Good point Jack. However the problem is, only ONE THIRD believe he is Christian. So it kind of blew up in their face. It's not just the fringe of the Repubs, it's lot of people.

And ha ha, Chris Mathews just held up that Globe issue today with O on the cover. He was genuinely worried about it, just like I thought he would be. The first crack of the msm happens in a tabloid. Kind of funny.

[Danube of Thought]

Sixty-three days from tomorrow.

[sylvia]

Well most right thinking people wouldn't or shouldn't care if he is a Muslim or not. The problem is, he HID it. It's not the "crime", it's the coverup.

However, if I were Obama, I wouldn't say anything about it. Too late now. He can only hope to just ride it out, just like he's been doing.

[Porchlight]

43% were given a list of choices and still said they didn't know. That indicates to me not that they don't know what he claims to be, but that they simply don't believe him.

[Chubby]

the picture at the top Drudge ... please tell me that's not a girl's bike

[hit and run]

However, if I were Obama, I wouldn't say anything about it. Too late now. He can only hope to just ride it out, just like he's been doing.

It's especially too late once you've managed to uncover the secret. You have cracked at least 10 of the last 3 conspiracies.

[matt]

I would turn the whole thing back on the Left. Why the hell would Barry Dunham change his name to Barack Hussein Obama if he wanted to fit into mainstream America?

y'know, the latter does sorta kinda sound like one a them Mooslim names, after all. He mighta thought about it a little harder when courting all of them Red State yokels who are not sophisticated enough to realize that in his effort to become more authentically a man of the people, he had to stake his claim to his anticolonial, ur-African heritage. Gotta keep it real at Hahvud, Columbia, and in the hood in Hyde Park, after all.

[bunky]

Hillary is laying low.........

[narciso]

Hirchens college try at figuring /28 was particularly sophomoric, but the commenters
are deranged

[Clarice]

The media has paid in full it's ticket to nowhere along with its party of choice.

[bunky]

With a one term O admin (still highly doubtful) we could see the end of hardcopy NYT, WaPost and the absolute end of the news weeklies. LA Times and the rest are already dead. WaPost can't even run an online college right.

[Pofarmer]

Well most right thinking people wouldn't or shouldn't care if he is a Muslim or not.

Siggghhhhh.

Yes, people are gonna care.

[BB Key]

Ralph Reed on CSPAN WJ last Saturday, answered a question about Obama's faith by saying....'if you were on trial for being a Christian what would be the evidence the court would use against you'....

[bgates]

when polling people who dislike candidate X, the specifics of the questions are almost irrelevant.

53% of blacks say either they think Obama is a Muslim or they don't know what his religion is.

59% of self-described "liberal Democrats" say he's a Christian, down 8% from March of last year.

[Janet]

Why the hell would Barry Dunham change his name to Barack Hussein Obama if he wanted to fit into mainstream America?

Wouldn't that be a great question for a NEWS person to ask?!

and Captain's post at 3:51 is right on the money - "It's pretty funny that the MFM runs all these stories about the confusion about Obunko without pointing out that they were complicit in not vetting him two years ago when these questions surfaced and he began giving deliberately vague answers."

[Extraneus]

With Obama's family and early childhood background, he'd be a natural Nation of Islam type. Just needs a bow tie.

Speaking of which, here's a July message from The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan.

AN OPEN LETTER TO BLACK LEADERSHIP

To the Spiritual, Political, Educational, and Economic Leaders and to our Sports and Entertainment Giants:

May this open letter find you well and in good spirit as we search for a solution to the many problems that we face as a people.

Most of you have benefited in some way from a relationship that you have with members of the Jewish Community. Some of you have become very wealthy and are able to live in the best manner that you choose because of this friendship. However, have you ever noticed that no matter how rich and powerful some of us have become, we have never been shown how to network with the wealthy and learned of our people, pooling our resources that we may produce for our people that which would grow us from a begging position as little children to become masters of our own destiny?

Etc.

[Janet]

I would love for someone to interview some of the MFM.
Tell me George, when did Obama change his name from Barry to Barack? Why?
Chris, what was the name of Obama's girlfriend at Columbia?
Katie, can you tell me why Bill Ayers picked an unknown Barack Obama to run the Annenburg project?
Mr. Rose, have YOU seen Obama's birth certificate? Do you know the difference between a certificate & a certification?

[Jack is Back!]

He's a secular Marxist more than anything & that is just as frightening as being a Muslim if "it's the economy, stupid" all over again. I believe he attended Wright's church because he was "working the crowd" not because he was a disciple of black liberation theology. From my perspective, outside of his evident affinity for screwing hard working tax paying gun clinging narrow minded Americans, he displays every attribute of a redistributionist Marxist.

[PD]

White House: More Economic Stimulus Measures Coming

arack Obama on Monday said his economic team is working to identify new measures to stimulate U.S. growth as part of a "full-scale attack" to strengthen the lackluster economy.

I wonder if that was transcribed correctly. It should say attack *on* the economy.

[Extraneus]

OT: IPCC's own Independent Audit Panel Slams U.N.'s Climate Group

"We found in the summary for policymakers that there were two kinds of errors that came up -- one is the kind where they place high confidence in something where there is very little evidence. The other is the kind where you make a statement … with no substantive value, in our judgment."

[Clarice]

Richard Baehr AT:
Add West Virginia to the list of vulnerable Democratic held Senate seats with Governor Joe Manchin holding a slim 6% lead over Republican John Raese in a state where approval for President Obama is at 29%. The current list includes 5 states where Republicans hold solid leads: North Dakota, Delaware, Indiana, Arkansas and Pennsylvania; two states where the GOP holds a narrow lead: Colorado and Washington; 3 states where the race is essentially even: Nevada, Illinois, and Wisconsin; and 3 states where Democrats hold small and shrinking leads: California Connecticut and West Virginia.

[bgates]

There's really no limit to what the New Polling can tell us about the public. We've discovered that Islam's favorable/unfavorable is a pretty healthy 34/18: 34% say they think he's not a Muslim, and since we know they don't like him what that answer really means in New Polling is that 34% of people like Islam and don't want to give Obama credit for it; 18% say he is a Muslim, and since we know they don't like him either what that really means is 18% of people don't like Islam and want to pin it on Obama.

While Islam's numbers are generally favorable, New Polling reveals that America has quietly become the most devoutly Hindu nation in the history of the world. 97% of the public thinks Obama is not Hindu. Since New Polling begins from the premise that the public cannot give an answer deduced from Obama's personal associations, policy decisions, verbal statements, or other evidence, their overwhelming rejection of the idea that Obama could be Hindu is proof that America loves Hinduism.

Further insights from New Polling are that America adores space aliens, death metal bass players, and the Lack end table from IKEA (100% of poll respondents said that the President is not a Lack end table, making it the most popular consumer product ever).

[Janet]

Interesting little tidbit at Powerline about Dayton (who is running for Dem. Governor of Minnesota). What is it with Dems & divorce records...they are just in & out of those files like nobodies business.
Bad info on the Dem...get rid of it.
Bad info on the Republican...release it to the press.

[matt]

Wow, Freddie Krugman is having a meltdown at the NYT today....he's hatin on everybody.

The tea partiers are privileged haters; Rush is a hatin' on Barry O; the rich especially hate Barry O. One knows he needs a 5150 (involuntary psychiatric observation & commitment) when he actually comes out and begs for George Bush type tolerance for the WTC mosque.

He's seeing conservatives under the beds and Joe McCarthy's ghost. Slowly, surely, what everyone else in the country has been feeling for the past year is seeping into Kruggie's synapses and the room is beginning to spin....more bailout funds! curses! Rosebud!!!!!!

[Extraneus]

lol

[Danube of Thought]

Hichens college try

Link?

[Between the lines they suggest Pachauri resign.]

Yes Extraneous, that was a surprisingly hard hitting report from the IAC about the IPCC. Let's see if it actually leads to reform.
================

[Extraneus]

Who cares as long as it leads to further-reduced credibility?

[Danube of Thought]

This just in:

Two men taken off a Chicago-to-Amsterdam United Airlines flight in the Netherlands have been charged by Dutch police with "preparation of a terrorist attack," U.S. law enforcement officials tell ABC News.

The two men are Mohammedans.

[daddy]

Haven't read the comments so if you have covered this my apologies.

Am live blogging the Fagan Talk Show Hour 1.

The guy who we read earlier about doing wrong stuff in the Absentee Ballot count per Miller's lawyer Van Flein, is Mike Roman, who we guessed was a possible culprit yesterday. He is the private Detective and founder of that Election Research website out of I think Minneapolis.

He is the Mike who got 20 minutes on the secure election computers and who also had a Blackberry or equivalent and who was reported for illegally (if thats the word) texting from inside the room, and then supposedly when it went dead he started scribbling in his notebook (another violation).

Mike Roman was personally called up to asist the Murkowsi campaign by her campaign manager Bitney (or something close to that.)

Bitney is saying that yes Norman should not have been doing that but it was nothing nefarious he was simply texting the Murkowski campaign. Feel free to believe that and feel free to question why if he was in there because of the Mrukowski campaign and was texting the Murkowski campaign, why the hell that isn't nefarious .Ya' got me.

Joe Miller came on Dan's shoe for a few minutes and said that Norman is now on his way out of state or already out of state. Miller also said that he had talked to Senator Cornyn, told him he thought it was inappropriate for the NRSC to be up here during the Republican primary ballot counting, and that Cornyn agreed with that and told him the NRSC oersonnel were being called back and sent back home.

Fagan is saying the Division of Elections will not respond to his 6 phone-calls and also that the ASDN has said the Div of Elections will not respond to them. Some chat about Fionell or whatever here name is in charge of the Div of Elections. Discussion of the Div of Elections likewise has to cover their rear ends because they may come off looking bad in this whole thing so there is some self interest and they want to manage their response.

Murkowski's campaign says Miller's Lawyer Van Flein was also in the room and had a blackbery and was texting or using it which also is illegal.

Van Flein was supposed to be on Fagan's show later, but Fagan says he just got a message that Van Flein just got called to the Division of Elections, so don't know if he'll be up in either hour 2 or hour 3.

Miller overall says he is confident we are going to get an accurate read of the Ballots tomorrow and is not damning the process. Then he had to go, I expect to the Division of Elections ala Van Flein but don't know exactly.

Now it appears Bill Walker, the number 2 Repub in the Gubenatorial Election is going to seriously run as an independent. This may split the Repub vote and hand the Governorship to big Lib Ethan Berkowitz. Ethan just called in, is funny, and is holding through the top of the hour break to start off Hour 2.

Had enuff, or are you thirsty for more?

[narciso]

It's on Slate, you want me to LUN it

[Pofarmer]

This just in:

Two men taken off a Chicago-to-Amsterdam United Airlines flight in the Netherlands have been charged by Dutch police with "preparation of a terrorist attack," U.S. law enforcement officials tell ABC News.

The two men are Mohammedans.

Ah, no fair, I wanted to play "guess that religion."

[anduril]

The real news in the Baehr piece is that Al Hunt AL HUNT says the Senate is in play.

[centralcal]

Interesting, daddy! For sure let us know if anything more is reported about what went on at the Division of Elections or whatever.

[anduril]

That Gallup number is "registered voters," not likely voters.

[anduril]

"Gallup finds that Republicans are now twice as likely as Democrats to be "very" enthusiastic about voting come November, the largest such advantage of the year."

That will surely affect turnout.

[anduril]

"Airport security screeners in Birmingham, Alabama first stopped al Soofi and referred him to additional screening because of what officials said was his "bulky clothing." In addition, officials said, al Soofi was found to be carrying $7,000 in cash and a check of his luggage found a cell phone taped to a Pepto-Bismol bottle, three cell phones taped together, several watches taped together, a box cutter and three large knives. Officials said there was no indication of explosives and he and his luggage were cleared for the flight from Birmingham to Chicago O'Hare."

Maybe this had something to do a slightly belated celebration of the end of Ramadama Ding Dong.

[RichatUF]

narciso-

Whoa, check that link.

Rob and Porchlight-

I was googling for articles about the mid-term generic ballot (surprised that so many poltiical scientists would have taken up the question after the 94 midterm) and one of the better papers showed that Reps typically do 2 points better and Dems about 3 points worse. They are also good indicators of trend. Nate Silver had a post up a few weeks back-sort of a dog whistle for the juice box mafia-looking at some of the literature.

Pofarmer-

I'm not sure how much a Rep congress will be able to accomplish in the first couple of months and the possibility of a serious political crisis (and also a serious national security crisis) can't be ruled out. However, it does appear that the wheels are coming off so most of the damage might be done by the time they get to work in Jan 2011. Mostly I'm skeptical of the Bush tax cuts being extended (Obama will veto their first try and I'm doubtful Congress will have a vote before the election. Don't forget the "deficit commission" tax raising figleaf either.) or the Congress canceling the remaining stimulus. My guess is that we have a replay of the '95 government shutdown next year.

[anduril]

al Soofi was found to be carrying $7,000 in cash and a check of his luggage found a cell phone taped to a Pepto-Bismol bottle, three cell phones taped together, several watches taped together, a box cutter and three large knives.

Whew. Count my blessings. Recently flew to a family wedding and that's exactly what I did with all my phones and watches and assorted sharp-edged objects. Taped 'em all together. I dunno, it made sense at the time. Now they'll probably start targeting senior citizens and nuns to see if they're doing the same. I'll have to figure another way of transporting my stuff.

[anduril]

Commenter at FR makes a very good point:

Why are we allowing these people in our country in the first place?

[Janet]

LUN is a video of Glenn Beck on the Restoring Honor Rally. Near the end, He says he wore a bullet proof vest & Alveda King thought about it too because she was afraid but decided not to.
How can a Restoring Honor rally that celebrates faith, hope, & charity even be controversial? The left has gone insane with hatred.

[anduril]

Doesn't it make sense to assassinate bigots?

[Ignatz]

--(100% of poll respondents said that the President is not a Lack end table, making it the most popular consumer product ever).--

That brought tears to my eyes, and I'm not even sure what a Lack end table is.

[matt]

a liberal friend of mine highlighted Adam Nagourney's article on Orange County's turn away from Nixon conservatism in the NYT, which I found quite amusing.

We typically have three tea parties here whenever they coordinate these things, and the local talk show rabble rousers, John & Ken, have been very successful in their anti establishment (Schwarzenegger, Dems, turncoat Repubs) rallies.

There is a huge and very anti communist Vietnamese community with a viable Vietnamese candidate to oust Loretta Sanchez this year.

So Nagourney picks Santa Ana (the largest Mexican city north of the border) and the People's Republic of Irvine as his focus. So happens that Irvine has a Korean- American Republican mayor.

The county has @ 85% of its public officials of the Republican persuasion but one of the more moronic country club led Republican parties in the country.Thus it is to a good extent ignored and subsets seem to do pretty well.

Once again printing all the news that fits.....

[Clarice]

bgates really is something.

Perhaps the two UA travelers were just putting together ideas for need charity collection boxes for the Cordoba Mosque.

[Extraneus]

Miller time: Republican leads Democratic opponent by 16 in NRSC poll

A new survey conducted for the NRSC shows Miller leading Sitka Mayor Scott McAdams (D) by a 52%-36% margin. And other metrics in the Last Frontier skew the race heavily in Miller’s favor, even after other surveys show he begins his race as an unpopular contender.

Fully 57% say they want a GOPer to provide a check and balance over Pres. Obama, while only 33% want a Dem to help pass the WH agenda. Obama’s job approval ratings clock in at just 40%, while 53% disapprove.

The top of the ticket will benefit GOPers as well. Gov. Sean Parnell (R) has a wide lead over ex-state House Min. Leader Ethan Berkowitz (D), besting the Dem by a 54%-40% margin.

So the only thing that can beat the Alaska Republicans are Republican spoilers?

[Clarice]

**UNIQUE charity boxes***

[narciso]

Here is the Hitchens piece, I try to clarify the matter, but there is only so much idiocy one can cut through

[pagar]

If none of your records have been released to the public, it might lead some to believe that there are things you don't want people to know about.
If a court seals things there may be things they don't want people to know Secret Showdown Set for Islamic Charity.
Wonder why they don't want the American people to know?

[Extraneus]

Cops: 6 arrested after gunfire at baptism party

Even Charles Johnson has been waiting for a headline like this.

[Danube of Thought]

Two things a GOP house can do: It can put a sudden and forceful end to the zany statist legislative binge these arrogant lunatics have been on, and it can use its subpoena power to get behnd some of the Alnskyist stuff that has been done. In the latter area I hope it is very judicious in selecting its targets.

What it can't do is repeal anything or block presidential appointments. And. of course no matter what it does it will serve as a foil for Obama in 2012.

I'd love to see GOP leadership (such as it is) stake out a two-year strategy right now: You give us the White House and congress in 2012 and we'll repeal Obamacare and replace it with (here insert any of innumerable preferable reforms). There are a host of other winning issyes, but that one trumps all. Hell, it's Obama's greatst "success," and the Dems dare not speak its name on the campaign trail.

[MarkO]

"Cops: 6 arrested after gunfire at baptism party."

Where's Freddo? I saw that movie.