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August 31, 2010

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windansea

looks like he dyed his hair

MayBee

Thinking they did this to erase the memory of the disastrous BP speech.

bunky

Highly lame, now on economy.

Captain Hate

We put decisions off by voting "present"

Sue

I watched until he started on the economy. Rangers are playing KC so I have something to switch over to. I would love to see the original draft of his speech to see if GWB was in there before Gretchen Carlson ripped into Gibbsy this morning.

Ranger

Thinking they did this to erase the memory of the disastrous BP speech.

Posted by: MayBee | August 31, 2010 at 08:13 PM

Well, somebody tied his wrists together and then to the desk top. But he still can't help but flip his thumbs up for emphasis every now and then.

Sue

Wowsy. I flipped back to see his Ronald Reagan ending. LoL.

bunky

Decent ending, but could never say we won.

MayBee

18 minutes. About 15 minutes too long. David Gergen perplexed.

Sue

I project a bump in his approval ratings. He did a fairly decent job of praising our troops. Which is what I wanted to hear him say. Whether I believe he is sincere or not.

PD

I notice he said that the one constant throughout the conflict was the resolve and dedication of our troops. Now that's true, and who would diminish that? But why where they fighting? How about a constant being America's commitment to freedom and democracy, America's commitment to our values?

Good grief.

MayBee

If he could have said that ending while sitting on a horse with a gorgeous sunset behind him, it would have been fitting.

Rob Crawford

I notice he said that the one constant throughout the conflict was the resolve and dedication of our troops.

Well, he couldn't say that about our politicians.

PD

I also notice that he talked about the controversy over the war up to the present and said now that the combat mission is over, it's time to "turn the page." Wave the hand, and declare that there can be no more disagreement with him. The highest form of patriotism is to agree with him, and shut up if you don't.

Dave (in MA)

Not watching.
Stephen Green is doing his usual http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/drunkblogging-obamas-iraq-speech/>clear-spirited summary on-the-fly and has noted that O hasn't been able to bring himself to give any props to Bush or the surge:

“Old adversaries are at peace.” Thanks to the… anyone? Anyone?

PD

When he segued to the economy, he talked about the stuff we need to to get the economy moving and people back to work. The rhetoric was *identical* to what he was saying during the campaign.

I guess we have to conclude from this that he's accomplished nothing positive economically and all those elusive goals remain unfulfilled. Does he think we don't notice?

Sandy Daze

31 August 2010

Missed it, dang. The third showing of a USA network TV show, "Burn Notice" is on.

Take good care,
Sandy

Rob Crawford

Didn't miss it -- just refused to watch it.

Jim Ryan

Who?

Janet

I also notice that he talked about the controversy over the war up to the present and said now that the combat mission is over, it's time to "turn the page."

I didn't watch it, but maybe he was mainly addressing Code Pink, Cindy Sheehan, & the loopy left?

Captain Hate

Did anybody notice that he lied, just like previous trolls did, about the war costing $1 trillion which is about $300 billion too much?

Danube of Thought

Woulda watched but this was the night of the big Beef Jerky sale at the 7-11 out on El Cajon Boulevard.

anduril

A slice of life. Two related videos:

Woman wakes up to find intruder in her bed

then

Huntsville Rapist Bed Intruder Song

Ranger

Well, I have to admit, I watched it with the sound off. I just can't stand his voice any more.

maryrose

Captain Hate:
Libs and this administration lies about everything. Gibbs on the Today Show said Obama thought 20.000 troops for the surge would be a good idea when in fact Obama specifically said it might make things worse. There"s a lot of revisionist history going on. The classic line was that there were patriots that favored the war and those that opposed it. Dan Senor had to keep reminding Matthews that DEMS were in favor of the Iraq war while Corn insisted Dems didn't have all the right intelligence to make a good decision. Senor held his own and kept the dems feet to the fire making them own it.

Janet

Speaking of 7-11...I think the next pkg to Soylent will be a "Oh thank heaven for 7-eleven" themed box. 7-11, America's addiction store...beer, smokes, candy, lotto, caffeine,...
Won't be able to ship a Big Gulp, but maybe I can just send the empty cup with a wrestler's picture on it!

bunkerbuster

What's the Tea Party position on Iraq? Re-invade? No position? lol...

bunky

Oval Office redecorating looks like the basement of a McMansion. What are those suede/velour couches?

Rob Crawford

Did anybody notice that he lied, just like previous trolls did, about the war costing $1 trillion which is about $300 billion too much?

The lefties are summing the costs of Iraq and Afghanistan in order to keep the "cost of the war" higher than the cost of the "stimulus" packages.

bunkerbuster

Matt mentioned this a couple of threads back, but left out the relevant part of this report in the Atlantic:

``If our terrorist enemies have been successful at cultivating a false notion of expertise, they’ve done an equally convincing job of casting themselves as pious warriors of God. The Taliban and al-Qaeda rely on sympathizers who consider them devoted Muslims fighting immoral Western occupiers. But intelligence picked up by Predator drones and other battlefield cameras challenges that idea—sometimes rather graphically. One video, captured recently by the thermal-imagery technology housed in a sniper rifle, shows two Talibs in southern Afghanistan engaged in intimate relations with a donkey. Similar videos abound, including ground-surveillance footage that records a Talib fighter gratifying himself with a cow.

``Pentagon officials and intelligence analysts concede privately that our foes also have a voracious appetite for pornography—hardly shocking behavior for young men, but hard to square with an image of piety. Many laptops seized from the Taliban and al-Qaeda are loaded with smut. U.S. intelligence analysts have devoted considerable time to poring over the terrorists’ favored Web sites, searching for hidden militant messages. “We have terabytes of this stuff,” said one Department of Defense al-Qaeda analyst, speaking on the condition of anonymity. “It isn’t possible that they are encrypting messages in all of this stuff. Some of these guys are just perverts.

``Tawdry though this predilection for porn may be, it is not necessarily trivial. There is, after all, potential propaganda value in this kind of jihadist behavior. Current U.S. public diplomacy centers on selling America to the Muslim world, but we should also work to undermine some of the myths built up around our enemies by highlighting their incompetence, their moral failings, and their embarrassing antics.''

Like I've always said, the radical Islamists are fake religious gangsters. Tragic that identity conservatives see it as in America's interest to falsely paint them as devout.

squaredance

This traitor giving speech about Iraq is like having a grand Mufti giving a commemorative address at Auschwitz.

If he does get a substantial bump in the polls because of it then the nation is truly composed of morons ad nitwits.

Just watch the SHTF in 18 to 24 months in Iraq

We have al been through this before. Do none of you remember Viet Nam?

It is all so drearily familiar.

Captain Hate

Just to be clear, are you sure he wasn't talking about the Afghan surge? Because saying that he supported the Iraq surge would be too big of a crock for even the Today dumbbells to overlook.

maryrose

Iraq war cost less than the stimulus package, anything else is just creative accounting on obama'a part. We are going to hang that stimulus around dems neck like an albatross. Also why is Obama talking the economy trying to score some points with the folks? He really hates foreign policy and so far has shown that he's just not that good at it. This whole week is a distraction for Obama to try and get some traction on something anything before the midterms.

centralcal

I heard a chunk of the speech on radio as I drove home. pheh.

When I turned on the tv O'Reilly was playing a video clip. I see the White House reads our comment section, cuz Bozo had his hands clasped tightly and planted firmly on the desk in front of him. I guess he fails in sign language, too (remembering the last O.O. speech).

The little analysis I have seen is . . . YAWN.

MayBee

Bunker- the only people who have claimed they are "devout" are the fainting freddies who thought putting female Gitmo guards next to them was like prisoner abuse.

Rob Crawford

Anyone know why the preen queen keeps babbling?

anduril

In light of the terrible news coming out of Afghanistan in the last few days, this is worth pondering:

Petraeus: Hook, line and sinker

By Gareth Porter

WASHINGTON - In an effort to introduce a story of "progress" into media coverage, General David Petraeus' command claimed last week that the Taliban are suffering from reduced morale in Marjah and elsewhere, despite evidence that the population of Marjah still believes the Taliban control that district.

But the news media ignored the command's handout on the story, which did not quote Petraeus.

The International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) August 25 news release quoted German Brigadier General Josef Blotz, the ISAF spokesman, as citing intelligence reports of "low insurgent

morale, which is affecting their capability across the country".

The release claimed that the Taliban commander in Marjah district, Mullah Niamat, "openly acknowledged to his fellow insurgents that the Taliban is losing Marjah and their chances of winning are poor."

The release cited "intelligence reports" as saying the Taliban leader's assessment was "based on battle losses" and "increased resentment of the insurgent methods by average Afghans".

In response to a request from Inter Press Service (IPS) for details that would substantiate the claim, however, ISAF was unwilling to do so.

The allegation about Marjah is contradicted by a report of a survey conducted by the London-based International Council on Security and Development (ICOS) showing that the population of Marjah still regarded the Taliban as being in control of the district five months after US troops began occupying it.

The ICOS report, is based on 522 interviews with men in Helmand and Kandahar provinces in July - 97 of which were in Marjah district. It shows that 88 of the 97 interviewed in Marjah believe the Taliban-controlled the district, whereas only nine perceive the government as being in control.

If the population of Marjah is "resentful" of Taliban tactics, moreover, they are evidently far more resentful of US tactics in the district. Asked whether the military operation by US-North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) forces in their area was "good or bad for the Afghan people", only one of the 97 people said it was good; the other 96 said it was bad.

The ICOS is an international policy think-tank focused on issues security, development, counter-narcotics and health.

In response to an IPS query about exactly what Mullah Niamat is alleged to have said, Lieutenant Colonel John Dorrian, an ISAF public affairs officer, declined to provide any further information about just what Niamat had actually said. He cited the need to protect "our counter-intelligence tactics and techniques".

Dorrian claimed there was other evidence, obtained from discussions with detainees, among other means, to support the claim of reduced Taliban morale. He declined, however, to provide any further details.

Even though the news media have thus far refrained from challenging any of Petraeus' claims of progress, not a single news outlet thus far has picked up the ISAF press release's claim of lower insurgent morale.

The alleged admission of incipient defeat by Mullah Niamat and the refusal to provide any direct quotes or other specifics recall another alleged statement by an adversary used by Petraeus' staff in Iraq to make a key political point.

On July 2, 2007, Petraeus' spokesman in Iraq, General Kevin Bergner, told reporters that a Hezbollah detainee, Ali Musa Daqduq, had revealed to interrogators that he been tasked with organizing "special groups" in Iraq for Iran.

The story of Daqduq's alleged admission was part of a larger charge by the US command in Iraq that Iran had organized and was arming and training Shi'ite militia groups that had allegedly broken away from Shi'ite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army.

But Bergner provided no direct quotes from Daqduq to reporters. And in May 2008, another public affairs officer, Colonel Donald Bacon, told Associated Press in an e-mail that the Hezbollah operative had actually told interrogators that his role in Iraq was to "assess the quality of training and make recommendations on how the training could be improved".

In fact, as military and intelligence officials privately admitted to pro-war blogger Bill Roggio, the term "special groups" was not an Iranian designation at all; it was created by the US command and applied to any Mahdi Army military commanders and troops who refused to cooperate with the US military.

Both episodes illustrate efforts by the military command to shape the media narrative surrounding the war, as advocated by Petraeus in his 2006 army manual on counter-insurgency.

Noting that the media "directly influence the attitude of key audiences toward counter-insurgents", Petraeus referred to "a war of perceptions between insurgents and counter-insurgents conducted continuously using the news media".

Petraeus urged counter-insurgency war "leaders" to carry out "information operations" to "obtain local, regional and international support for COIN operations".

The decision to promote a story that was likely to encounter skepticism in the press corps in Afghanistan appears to be a response by Petraeus to a looming crisis over his ability to convince the Barack Obama administration that progress is being achieved in the war.

The claim came two days after Petraeus asserted in a BBC interview that the US-NATO war had "already reversed the momentum which the Taliban had built up in the last few years in Helmand and Kandahar provinces and around Kabul".

In fact, however, US operations in Marjah had failed to expel the Taliban fighters or to reduce their political influence in the district. Nor has Petraeus claimed that Kandahar will be secured by the end of this year as previously vowed by his predecessor, General Stanley McChrystal - or even by the mid-2011.

To make matters worse for Petraeus, over the past six months, the Taliban have continued to establish a politically dominant presence in more areas of northern Afghanistan which had previously been judged relatively secure.

The Washington Post's Joshua Partlow reported on August 15 - the same day Petraeus was making his claim of progress - that Taliban fighters were "spreading like a brush fire into remote and defenseless villages across northern Afghanistan".

Two weeks earlier, Alissa J Rubin of the New York Times had quoted the chairman of the provincial council in Baghlan province as saying the situation there was "very serious and day by day it is getting worse and worse".

The bad news about Taliban gains in control of territory in the northern provinces is likely to be reflected in the next Pentagon assessment of the war due to be published in late November - just before Petraeus' pivotal December review of progress in the war.

I Won

Do I have a gift or do I have a gift. I was sizzling tonight with more viewers than Beck.

Captain Hate

Nice that the troll decided to liven up the thread with muslim "animal husbandry". Who'd guess that such a misogynistic "religion" would lead to such aberrant practices. But hey; maybe GAY MARRIAGE wouldn't be such a tough sell.

matt

the $300 Billion delta between the cost of Iraq and Obama's $1 Trillion dollars is all of the pork they saddled us with.

Now Iraq can go back to becoming another failed state influenced more by outside agendas than the aspirations of its citizens.
Nothing to see here...what surge?...move along....just like that history is re-written.

Janet

Pondering!?...Good Lord that is a dissertation!
Is Gareth Porter a relative or something?...I rarely say anything, but that is pretty long.

Rick Ballard

Janet,

He was addressing the Code Stinko traitors and every prog Copperhead who cowered with them. This was his "See, I kept my promise, it's not my fault things haven't fallen apart as we all hoped." apologia to start "firing up" the witless base.

BOzo, as usual, is coming up with way too little, way too late to affect the Tea Party Tsunami surging toward November.

Thomas Collins

Bunkerbuster, you are not recognizing nuance. One can have sex with a donkey and still be motivated by the teaching of imams who view jihad as a struggle against infidels, not as a struggle with one's internal being.

In any event, bunkerbuster, I was wondering whether you view the hatred described in the LUNed article, expressed by John Cusack, as being equal to, greater than, or less than the hatred you think is expressed on this blog.

Clarice

Janet--no popcorn--I just sent out tons of caramel crunch microwave popcorn.

Captain Hate

anduril has to be leading in TM's bandwidth per poster competition. Not even close.

narciso

I'll save you the trouble,Janet, Gareth Porter is best known for whitewashing the Khmer Rouge, in the 1975-78 period, he's that kind of a tool

anduril

OK, you don't like Gareth Porter. Try this Fox News commentary--it's worth pondering, too:

What Have We Learned From Iraq?

By KT McFarland

President Obama’s speech tonight announcing the end of combat activities in Iraq will be greeted with a national sigh of relief rather than a flag-waving hurrah. And it is driven more by Election Day 2010 than the Iraq-U.S. mandated withdrawal date of December 2011.

But putting aside politics and public opinion, let's turn to the military realities on the ground. It is an ironclad rule of the American armed forces that immediately after a military engagement, those involved write something call an “After Action Review (AAR),” analyzing what happened, why it happened, and how it can be done better. If it's a thorough AAR, it concludes with a section on the “lessons learned.”

So how should we write the AAR on the Iraq War? The maddening thing is, we can’t. It’s not over. The U.S. combat phase may be ending, but we’re not sure the war is over. Some well respected experts argue that it’s far too soon for U.S. forces to leave, the Iraqis aren’t ready and the country will once again descend into chaos and civil war; that our politically driven withdrawal means we will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Other, equally respected experts argue that it’s time to take the training wheels off the bike. The Iraqis are ready to ride, even if the bike is a little wobbly at first. And, just in case, we are keeping enough American troops in country to help with the steering.

Others say enough is enough; we just want a graceful exit for ourselves, no matter what happens to Iraq. To them it is a war we should never have started and the sooner we leave, the better.

But even if we can't agree on the failure or success of the Iraq War, we can come to some conclusions on the lessons we have learned.

We have known for a long time that President Bush and the Neocon’s vision of a peaceful, democratic, pro-American Iraq may never happen, or at least not for a very long time. At best it will be “Iraqracy,” as General David Petraeus calls it, two steps forward and one step back.

At worst it will be a broken state, and America will have spent nearly a trillion dollars and untold human sacrifice on a failed experiment.

We have learned the enormous difficulties of trying to force a country into a political system that the majority of its citizens neither want nor are prepared to sustain on their own.

But we have also learned, or re-learned, some lessons about committing U.S. combat forces overseas.

First, we must have a clear idea of their mission, what it is we expect them to accomplish. In Iraq, we fell into the trap of mission creep. Our initial casus belli was to find and eliminate Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction. When we didn’t find any, we stayed to topple Saddam Hussein’s government and dismantle his political party, military and government services. Once we had destroyed a brutal but none-the-less functioning government, we set up a U.S.-led Provisional Authority to replace it. And then we stuck around to help write them a constitution, hold democratic elections, form a government, and train new military and security forces.

The problem was, even though our mission grew, our resources didn’t keep pace, opening up a gap between what we wanted to accomplish and what we could realistically hope to accomplish. Without intending to, we set up a situation that was bound to fail. A civil war broke out, and we were caught in the middle.

Once President Bush committed to a surge in forces and narrowed the mission, we were able to get to the point we are today. Iraq is now a stable nation state, but it’s still a fragile situation. The surge has given us better odds at success, but doesn't guarantee it.

And, we've learned it’s a helluva way to fight a war. It’s not a plan we want to repeat as we figure out how to deal with the nuclear threat posed by an expansionist, potentially nuclear Iran, or the spread of terrorism through the Horn of Africa.

With the Iraq War we have relearned the lessons we learned and forgot after Vietnam:

- Have a clear mission going in.

- Make sure the resources are adequate to achieve that mission.

- Be honest with the American people about the costs in lives and treasure.

- Be prepared to adjust these as this war will go as all wars go – which is NOT according to plan.

Yet, the one lesson we should not take away from the Iraq War is that we can retreat into an era of isolation. Tempting as it may be, we cannot ignore new threats on the horizon in hopes they will go away. We no longer live in a world that will allow us to come home, pull up the drawbridge and retreat behind the moat. In today's world those threats will seek us out, not just knocking, but kicking down our door.

Captain Hate

Wow, I had no idea Cusack was such an idiot. I guess he's really acting when he plays somebody sane.

narciso

Oh, he's been primo moonbat for some time now, McFarland leaves out that period when
we indulged the "Iraq card" against Iran, not
nearly to the same extent as France or Russia.

Sue

I know, Captain. He is a really great actor after all. I just put him down in the never spend money on his movie again column.

Captain Hate

I really liked him in "The Grifters" and "High Fidelity" and I'm sure some others that aren't coming to mind right now. Shut up and act.

Rob Crawford

Oh, God, the Fox story about Cusack is a gem of playing the left's own storyline back against them. The whole "he may inspire someone unstable" line is a classic of the genre.

narciso

Yes he was good in "High Fidelity" and even
"Grosse pointe Blank" but that was some time
ago, before "War Inc" (don't ask) and the anti
Iraq War "Grace is Gone"

Rob Crawford

Loved "Grosse Pointe Blank" -- at the time I was living in Detroit, and the music reminds me of an ex-girlfriend.

(She was about as stable as Cusack, though.)

rse

Jonah Goldberg does a nice job of describing what was so irritating about BO's speech.

LUN

Janet

LUN Newsbusters -

"CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: It's about being an American, and the wonderful thing about this country is you can grow up to be basically what, you know, it's a Great Gatbsy country, you can actually create your own identity and become a person. This guy Barack Obama, not to get too basic about it, did everything right."

LOL! You can create your own identity & become a person! Hahahaha...Well, he sure did create his own identity...or someone created it for him!


Gmax

Did not watch, the Rangers are on. Did he peddle in to the Oval office on the girls bike?

glasater

If he could have said that ending while sitting on a horse with a gorgeous sunset behind him, it would have been fitting.

Good grief--the guy can barely get on a bicycle.

Captain Hate

narc and Rob: You didn't like (or even see) "Grifters"? Incredibly twisted movie almost devoid of a protagonist. Awesome cans display by Annette Bening as an added bonus.

 Ann  Mongrel

rse:

I just read that and was going to link it. It was OFFENSIVE.

Just like his inaugural address and everything else he has done from DAY ONE.

btw, Someone compared the newly renovated oval office to "Pottery Barn" today. That about says it doesn't it. :)

Janet

I'm embarrassed to say that I liked Con Air..another Cusack movie. I wish all these actors would shut up, they're ruining movies for me.

matt

I think he took "2012" too much to heart. That and the fact that he really can't get an A List job anymore..facing one's own lousy acting skills and age must be a bitch.Maybe he can do a sitcom. It worked for another paragon of Hollywood, Charlie Sheen.

PD

Well, if we're talking about acting, you just can't beat Jacqueline Andere for the role of evil telenovela villainess.

No idea about her politics, though.

bunkerbuster

TC: outside the wingnutosphere, educated adults understand the clear difference between riticizing specific ideas and their specific proponents and smearing entire cultures, religions and ethnicities based on the behavior of minorities within them.

teabaggers, for example, is a term of derision that aims to belittle the religious right's hangup about homosexuality, given the observable fact that the Tea Party represents the religious right. The term speaks to a specific political point and says nothing about anyone's heritage, be it religious, ethnic, national or cultural.
Educated adults can also spot humor, including sarcasm and irony. Cusack's tweet is obviously a sarcastic joke albeit a semi-coherent one. (tweets don't give room to explain) It's also pretty funny that you would rely on a Fox report to cover news about an attack on Fox.
Note that DoT does not fill his days and nights scouring the Internet for information on what the vast majority of peaceful Muslims are doing, including those on the front lines in the war against fake-religious gangsters. Rather, he spends his time cutting and pasting from wingnut sites that aggregate reports on the crimes of gangsters for the express purpose of using them to smear law-abiding Muslims.
As the author of the Atlantic article, and myself, has demonstrated, there is no problem in calling maximum attention to the depravities of fake-Islamists who commit mayhem simply to win power, then use religion to camouflage that. The bigotry is only when one takes the actions of those few and attributes them to the community at large. I never do that, DoT always does. That is why he's a bigot and I'm not…

Pofarmer

Had to fix a hydraulic hose on a shit spreader. Much preferable to watching that speech.

PD

it's a Great Gatbsy country

Matthews must be reading John Birmingham's After America. No, come to think of it, not likely.

MarkO

At first, I expected the look of an Old Spice ad: "Does your president look like this?" But, I was disappointed. Not because that was not the look, but because I just didn't care to watch. Purple lips leave me cold.

Back, cooling under pterodactyl wings with others here, I would read every article in the New Yorker on the theory that this discipline would boost my knowledge. Of course, it was the New Yorker then. But, my willpower has waned like an early September moon, and I cannot bear to read or watch vapidity.

I felt this way about LBJ. I am such a racist.

Nevertheless, I am certain he lied. He is, after all, a liar. Hasta luego, che.

Captain Hate

I'm embarrassed to say that I liked Con Air

Why? It was hilarious; although the treatment of the Steve Buscemi character kind of creeped me out.

The bigotry is only when one takes the actions of those few and attributes them to the community at large. I never do that, DoT always does. That is why he's a bigot and I'm not…

You're such a disingenuously lying tool.

 Ann  Mongrel

It sounds like Murkowski will have a press conference at 10:00pm to CONCEDE. Where is daddy?

I stayed up very late with my voodoo dolls conjuring up spells for her loss. He owes me.

PD

outside the wingnutosphere, educated adults understand the clear difference between riticizing specific ideas and their specific proponents and smearing entire cultures, religions and ethnicities based on the behavior of minorities within them.

The State Department whore speaks.

How's the pay?

Sue

Ann,

Yippee! Great news.

I don't rememer Cusack in Con Air. I'm going to have to go look it up to jog my memory.

Captain Hate

Cusack's the agent that drove the gasbag's Corvette that got hooked by the plane when it took off.

Melinda Romanoff

For those who liked the movie "High Fidelity", the book of the same title, by Nick Hornby, is absolutely fantastic and the film doesn't even reach the quality of paper used for the script, in comparison.

But I might be opinionated...

Gmax

Had to fix a hydraulic hose on a shit spreader.

Do you hire out? Cuz from what I hear the one in the Oval office is broken too but this one seems to be a factory defect and it stubbornly refuses the r

Gmax

recycle button

Barbara

"btw, Someone compared the newly renovated oval office to "Pottery Barn" today. That about says it doesn't it. :)"

Ann,

That's it exactly!

Sue

I still don't remember Cusack's character.

G-Max, if you are watching the same game I am, what the hell? 6 runs for KC with 2 outs.

Captain Hate

I agree, Mel; in fact a girl I knew gave a copy to Richard Thompson after he played in a club on Halloween back in the mid-90s. I'm sure he was thinking "WTF is this" but seemed appreciative; I wonder if he read it.

BumperStickerist

educated adults understand the clear difference between riticizing specific ideas and their specific proponents and smearing entire cultures, religions and ethnicities based on the behavior of minorities within them.

My theory is that the uneducated and the highly educated are conservative. The uneducated have a reflexive dislike or antipathy towards something and form an opinion or take action more as self-preservation.

The highly educated get to know the nature of the thing, recognize it for what it is, and address it on its terms.

The sort-of/kind-of educated - you know, liberals - hit that sophmoric point where they educate themselves out of their reflexive dislikes, but never manage to educate themselves well enough to understand the nature of what it is they're dealing with.

Like, say, Islamic Extremism, the Environment, Islamic Extremism, Safety Issues, Islamic Extremism, and so forth.

Libs also like to attribute the arguments of the uneducated (yet correct) population to the better-than-they educated population.

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Ask yourself this, if your life depended on an accurate summation of an event, whom would you chose: Tom Maguire or Emptywheel at FDL?

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flodigarry

Ann - Daddy will say the job is only half done. We need to talk Joe Miller up in the ADN comments to counter all the sockpuppets.

Melinda Romanoff

Cap'n-

I have seen his sister, Joan, leave the same building as most of my MDs.

She needs two escort cars.

flodigarry

Up through November....

MayBee

As the author of the Atlantic article, and myself, has demonstrated, there is no problem in calling maximum attention to the depravities of fake-Islamists

How do their depravities make them any less Muslim?
Doesn't it just make them hypocrites? It happens whenever some group is trying to seize power.

You know, the whole some pigs are more equal thing.

Sue

2 movies I remember Cusack in. Runaway Jury and 2012. Any other movie he has been in he hasn't left enough of an impression with me that I can rememer his character. And 2012 was horrible.

Melinda Romanoff

flodigarry-

Axelrod Astroturf, it's been copyrighted.

Porchlight

My favorite Cusack movie is The Sure Thing. As a former record store/record collector geek, I liked High Fidelity (book and movie) too.

Creepy thinking of Obama as Gatsby, but it's not inapt. Except I felt sorry for Gatsby, I don't think he was all that bad a guy, just empty.

So we beat on, boats against the current...lot of water metaphors in Ayers' Obama's memoir, after all.

narciso

It's called taquiya, or it may just be rationalizing, KSM hanging out in the bars in Manila, Atta and company at the strip club,
another one of those plotters behind the attack on the PATH, hanging around in Beirut

flodigarry

Mel - Under Fair Use terms we'll need to take a page out of Axelrod's playbook.

Rob Crawford

Had to fix a hydraulic hose on a shit spreader. Much preferable to watching that speech.

That's a fancy spreader if it's got hydraulics! The one we had when I was a kid was all chain-driven.

Danube of Thought

Reading this site on an I-phone, it takes a lot longer to scroll. Happily, I can spot the two resident long-winded fools immediately and get a nice running start.

Did the president deny that he is a Mohammedan? I thought not...

Clarice

C'mon, narciso. We both know there is a huge psychosexual component to radical Islam..maybe even to regular Islam at least as it's practiced in Moslem majority countries--with two exceptions Turkey and Tunisia.

Captain Hate

The Sure Thing; I was trying to remember that one. Wasn't Joan the female lead in the movie last year where Jeff Bridges played the aging country singer?

Sue

The one we had when I was a kid was all chain-driven.

And called a "honey wagon". I'm not sure I know why it was called that though.

centralcal

Woo Hoo - Murkowski conceded! Go Miller!

Captain Hate

One of Miller's people tweeted an AoS pudding reference

Gmax

sue

9 -9 now and Vlad looking hungry

Captain Hate

No I was wrong; it was Maggie Gyllenhaal (somebody else with a brother also an actor) in "Crazy Heart".

Sue

G-Max,

Did you see that homerun he hit? I think they are still chasing that one.

We went to the game Saturday night. What a horrible night to visit The Ballpark. 2 hits by the Rangers and a big fat goose egg on the scoreboard. But on the bright side, my 3 year old grandson had a blast!

Gmax

Having been to that park once upon a time when I lived in Kansas, I can tell you that no one hits them into the upper fountain. That was a gorilla shot. Now if we can figure out to be ahead by 1 when the nine are over...

Melinda Romanoff

Porch-

There was an Illinois connection with F. Scott, as well.

FYI, his basis for Daisy was a local.

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