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August 31, 2010



Yes, Maggie Gyllenhaal is much younger than Joan Cusack.

So Murkowski is gone. Another notch in the belt for Palin. That one's gotta be sweet.


I didn't know that, Mel. That is fascinating. From the account, I like her better than Daisy, whom I never liked much.

I used to drive by Fitzgerald's house in St. Paul quite a bit way back when.

Danube of Thought

As the author of the Atlantic article, and myself, has demonstrated

Anyone want to comment on the grammar and punctuation? (Let me guess whom MayBee was quoting.)


How do their depravities make them any less Muslim?

Just following the example of the prophet.

"Doesn't it just make them hypocrites?

I don't particularly see how. I'm pretty sure they just now didn't figure out fucking farm animals.

Rob Crawford

We both know there is a huge psychosexual component to radical Islam..maybe even to regular Islam at least as it's practiced in Moslem majority countries--with two exceptions Turkey and Tunisia.

Anyone have a link to the Ayatollah Khomeini's fatwa on where you can sell the meat from an animal you've sodomized? Apparently the sodomy is acceptable; selling it to your neighbors is not.

The preening queen should consider widening his knowledge of other cultures. He may learn that what seems unacceptable to us is acceptable in other cultures.

And regardless of whether someone is a "good Muslim" or not, they are intent on enslaving everyone who is insufficiently Muslim in their eyes -- and most of the Muslim world is unwilling to express their objections. Even within the United States, the Muslim community seems to choose -- or have chosen for them without objection -- extremists who, were they transliterated into the ranks of Christianity, would be either leading an ever-shrinking cult or living out of their cars after being shunned.

I find it revealing that the social class that ridicules "mega churches" paid for by their members and attacks any hint of "intolerance" among Christians is whole-heartedly behind foreign-funded "mega mosques" run by antisemitic, anti-gay, anti-women nutcases.

But I ramble...

Barry Dauphin

The surge worked; the stimulus package didn't. Everything else is window dressing.


The surge worked; the stimulus package didn't. Everything else is window dressing.

Posted by: Barry Dauphin | August 31, 2010 at 10:41 PM

Only if you think the purpose of the Porkulus was to improve the economy. If you see it as an Obama lead Democratic party surge in the war against American prosperity, it has succeeded remarkably well in strangling economic recovery.


That's a fancy spreader if it's got hydraulics! The one we had when I was a kid was all chain-driven.

Oh, you ought to see it. 20 feet long, 12 feet wide, and holds about 12 ton of dry chicken poop, and flings it about 50 feet wide.

Melinda Romanoff


Her descendants were, ahem, interesting, and still are, including the current owner of the Blackhawks, via his step-mother.


"Middle Class" .. duh ?

Where the hell did that come from ?

Melinda Romanoff


I've only "played" with mechanical spreaders, that must be like an aerosol can.

Oh, and if you find a spare rear differential for my truck, laying around, let me know. Looks like I own something chronic, from what little research I've done.


You sure have the fascinating inside scoop, Melinda. I learn something new every day.

Time to go watch this Stones documentary on the making of Exile on Main Street. I hope they don't interview effing Jack White too much.

Barry Dauphin

Only if you think the purpose of the Porkulus was to improve the economy.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't think that the Dems intended on losing so much in the mid term elections. They didn't plan on an insurgency developing. If pacification of the public was their intention, it looks like a loser so far.

Jim Ryan

Bush spend $700B to free Iraq.

Obama spent $700B to have a lot of holes dug and then filled in again.

If the legislative body are corrupt, you will soon aave bad men for counselors, corrupt judges, unqualified justices, and officers in every department who will dishonor their stations.... - Samuel Langdon, 1788

...even when the government of [Man's] choice shall manifest a tendency to degeneracy, we are not at once to despair but that the will and the watchfulness of its sounder parts will reform its aberrations, recall it to original and legitimate principles, and restrain it within the rightful limits of self-government. -Jefferson, 1825

Senator Miller (R-Alaska)

Senator O'Donnell (R-Delaware)

Senator Toomey (R-Pennsylvania)


Best remark on Oval Office Makeover ...

"How cute. They cut up Michelle's Inauguration dress and made curtains!"


I think those are actually the same curtains.


I want to know if BunkerB thinks men who engage in sodomy or view porn are real Christians or Jews.


"How cute. They cut up Michelle's Inauguration dress and made curtains!"

It ain't fittin'... it ain't fittin'. It jes' ain't fittin'... It ain't fittin'.



and LUN

Danube of Thought

For duty, a woman
For pleasure, a boy
For ecstasy, a goat

--Old Mohammedan maxim

Jim Ryan

They cut up the Founding documents and pressed them into rolls suitable for use in each White House and Congressional toilet. That the work involved amounted to three-and-a-half man-days of green job was duly noted by Democratic statisticians.


duly noted by Democratic statisticians

... who double counted.

Jim Ryan

Senator Angle (R-Nevada)

Senator Rubio (R-Florida)

Senator Lee (R-Utah)



outside the wingnutosphere, educated adults understand the clear difference between riticizing

I have no idea WTF "riticizing" is, but allow me to repeat this oldie:

JOMers include such ne'er do wells as pilots, economists, public affairs commentators, scientists, some of the most accomplished lawyers in the country (not me) whose collective resumes include substantial governmental experience, securities litigation, debtor/creditor rights law and much else, farmers, folks who attend to various home matters including nurturing and caring for family members including an autistic child, at least one accomplished linguist, folks who analyze econometric data as a hobby and present it in an understandable manner for economic illiterates such as myself, military men and women, independent thinkers and artists (at least one whose photography runs the range from the most breathtaking nature shots to hilarious photoshopped works), parents and grandparents, spouses, girlfriends and boyfriends with an active life with their loved ones, folks who run blogs on everything from arcane policy issues to personal relationships, and most likely much else that I am missing. Yes, all JOMers just sit in their relatives' basements while mooching off them and spouting off nonsensical drivel on their laptops.

But be easy on us; we can't all be masters and mistresses of the universe like the geniuses on the blogs whose sharp analysis informs us for the millionth time that Bush lied, people died; that the only major party candidate for POTUS or Vice-POTUS in '08 with direct experience in dealing with major energy companies and raising a family including a child with Down's syndrome is a first class bimbo; that we need nationalized health care to bring us the joys such as Brits waiting years for hearing aids that take a month or two at the most to be delivered to Americans; that American middle class culture has brought only oppression to the body and soul (such analysis being brought to us by folks living off the wealth generated by a society focusing on middle class culture and values and a dream that hard work may or may not make one a billionaire but invariably brings material and spiritual rewards); that America is inherently racist, sexist, misogynistic and oppressive of all except whites of acceptable Anglo-Saxon lineage (amazing, isn't it, that such a close-minded society is the subject of such diligent efforts by those on the outside, of all races, colors, ethnicities, genders and creeds, efforts both legal and illegal, to join that society); that more government and higher taxes are the key to enhanced economic growth; and that tolerance is the be all and end all of life except for those who dare to disagree that the Eurostyle society is best, carbon dioxide emissions must be reduced at all costs mindset.

Danube of Thought

Prestigious Mohammedan leader institutes new form of diplomacy:

Rome - Libyan leader Colonel Muammar al-Gaddafi has ended his visit to Italy by calling on the European Union to pay his country €5 billion (£4.13bn) a year to ensure its co-operation in preventing illegal immigration from Africa, which "threatens to turn Europe black".

Well, I don't suppose Mitch McConnell is having a great night, with the Murkowski news.

Danube of Thought

Preening disorder diagnosed:

Read it all here.

And for God's sake, take a close look at the picture--what a delight!

So last week I coined a new disorder, called Islamophobia-phobia, or fear of being labeled Islamophobic.
Jim Ryan

ZERO: Hi, Lisa.


ZERO: Wow. I was like...


ZERO: Look, you could run third party...

MURKOWSKI: Huh? What about the ambassadorship to Malta? You said-

AIDE: Ms. Murkowski, the president was called away just now but he said to tell you-


AIDE: ...to have a nice day.

MURKOWSKI: Hello?...Hello?

Jim Ryan

DoT, those people in the picture need to join a dating service catering to people like them and to upper-middle-class liberals who detest liberty and abhor property rights.

Jim Ryan

Wait, there's a certain Penis with some sort of narcissistic disorder?


It's sad that Lisa never really took the hint,
Sarah had tried to break bread, even sent her
a full contribution, for the primary last year. Not long after that, she dissed the
very idea of 'death panels', derided the reasons for her resignation, had been making
noises about accepting cap n trade, or some other carbon tax. She didn't take the hint
about Sarah's relish for competitive primaries, well the rest is history.

Jim Ryan

Don't worry, Penis. Leftism will work out someday. They just need to get the kinks out of it - the enormous waste of blood and treasure - that's all.


I understand what you're saying, but I don't think that the Dems intended on losing so much in the mid term elections. They didn't plan on an insurgency developing. If pacification of the public was their intention, it looks like a loser so far.

Posted by: Barry Dauphin | August 31, 2010 at 11:03 PM

Actually, no, I think that Obama assumed that, just like in Chicago, he could rake as much off the top for his favored groups and keep things humming along.

Unfortunatly for all of us, he did not understant that a national economy is not like a city, or even a state economy. They thought they could carve as much out of it as they wanted and it would still function "rationally". They didn't appriciate that when the economy at the national level gets encoumbered by Chicago level graft it grinds to a stop.

But, at a basic level, they do believe that Americna prosperity is a "sin" against humanity. And their entire policy is a war on Americna prosparity, and managing America's (well deserved in their view) decline. They just didn't think it would be so fast as to impact their ellection prospects.

Jim Ryan

Hmm. Thumbing through the personals...

UMCL (Upper-middle-class liberal) seeking fundamentalist Muslim. Must protest freedom of speech as avidly as I protest wealth. I am willing to submit to your male chauvinist oppressions because this will further the revolution. Please be tolerant of my Sunday mornings spent reading the New York Times and complaining loudly about Sarah Palin over an expensive brunch. Post to box N4342.


...the whole lavish and pointless exercise will simply reinforce the image of a declining presidency strikingly out of touch with ordinary Americans at a time of significant economic hardship...

A Brit's take on the oval office make over - LUN


OMG! "preenis". Hilarious


Hi folks.

18 minutes of speaking should work out to about three of four days at camp David don't you think?

Re Oval Office furniture: Cheap crappy rent-to-own looking furniture that has decorated every furnished apartment I have ever lived in or visited. I frankly am amazed it isn't in an animal print to match the velvet panther and crying clown paintings you can't see in the picture.

Nouveau riche Michelle Antoinette spending our tax dollars on craptastic decor because she doesn't know any better, and doesn't even know what she doesn't know. For the love of God...if you don't have taste in clothing or furniture or anything, please...PLEASE, hire someone who does.

Re Cusack: I have known for many years that he was teh crazy. But he is still a damn fine everyman type of actor. Grosse Pointe Blank is one of my faves. I use the line about having a psyche profile that fits a certain "moral flexibility" all the time. Plus, the music reminds me of high school. If you grew up in the 1980s, the soundtrack is a must have.

Re Obama = Gatsby: I have always thought that Gatsby was painfully aware of what he really was, but understood that through his charm he could convince the rich and indolent that he was one of them, and thus could play along with them. I don't think this fits the Zero profile. The man truly believes his own bullshit, and only charms people as a means of feeding his narcissism. He loves to be loved, not because he feels inferior, but because he feels he deserves it and more.

Re Crazy Heart: best movie I have seen in three years, plus it sent me back to the archives to re-discover a bunch of music I had forgotten about. Ryan Bingham did a fair amount of the soundtrack and wrote the title theme, and he's also a favorite of mine. Plus Jeff Bridges...well, he's been quietly kicking ass for many years now and has finally gotten the respect that he deserves. Plus, he's The Dude (so that's what you call him, man...).

Re The Gyllenhalls: With respect to Maggie, I won't say I wouldn't hit it, but it would be a grudger at best. Between her and her brother, they have combined to propagate the "poor-fucked-up-veteran-as-victim-not-responsible-for-being-antisocial" meme more than any two Hollyweird pieces of shit I can think of. I can only hate them with the intensity of a million suns.

Re Mohammedans: I see nothing offensive with the word at all. And I'm sure all of the millions of goat-f*cking, boy-fondling rock worshippers who practice the backward and repressive set of superstitions and prejudices that define Mohammedanism would feel the same.

See...everything is just a matter of degrees.


Ann Mongrel,

Thanks for the voodoo doll stuff! We needed that.

I was sweating bullets until I finally read the following twitter from unbiased Alexandra Gutierrez, the news director at KUCB in Unalaska, Alaska. (Dave Weigel's girlfriend):

"adndotcom Murkowski: "Based on where we are right now, I don’t see a scenario where the primary will turn out in my favor.” #AkSen
about 4 hours ago via TweetDeck
Retweeted by alexgutierrez and 5 others"

That's when I breathed a sigh of relief, because she's a big time reporter and news director and unbiased and girlfriend of that fired WaPo guy Weigel who knows all about Conservatives, so only when she let on that she agreed via twitter that "the primary will not turn out in my favor" did I think it was beer-time.

Yippee, Yippee, Yippee!!!

If you'd like to read more of and possibly join Alexandra Gutierrez's Twitterings, simply click ">http://twitter.com/alexgutierrez"> here for her cute pic, and for further comments from this wise Latina.


Yay Soylent,

If you're still up. A tank squad leader Joe Miller, just whipped Murkowski today in the Repub Primary here in Alaska, Was a messy episode involving Absentee Ballot shenanigans, but the former Army Officer pulled it out for the home team. I like Army Officer's, but I better get out of the way of the gals here who really like 'em!

Anyhow, Obama said you guys helped in Iraq.

Other than that, I like Cussack best in "Being John Malkovich". He does a great job tying up Cameron Diaz with duct tape in a cage so she can be http://www.cswap.com/1999/Being_John_Malkovich/still/7.jpg "> smooched by a monkey.

And as for Jay Gatsby with all those brand new shirts in that drawer that Daisy fawns over. Yuck. Give me an unstarched, well worn shirt that you'd feel comfortable wearing while being duct-taped in a cage with a smooching monkey.

Great to hear from you Soylent---keep it up.


Hey Soylent!

Gatsby speaking of Daisy - "She thought I knew a lot because I knew different things from her..."

I always liked that line. It seems true of human nature.


I can't believe people are talking about John Cusack and not mentioning Say Anything. That's what he'll be remembered for 50 years from now (well that and being insane).

Obama's speech sucked because he was trying to talk to two audiences at the same time that had diametrically opposed views on Iraq. His lefty/base audience wanted to hear a speech saying "It's over! I stopped Bush's war! Never again! Independents wanted to hear " We won! I finished the job. I'm not a crazy lefty, you can trust me on national security".

I think both audience was probably dissapointed by the speech since it really didn't hit either message. Obama seems to be falling in to holes when doing a left/center balancing act these days (see the mosque controversy).


An interesting topic late today on local Alaskan talk radio (Glen Beagle Show) was "What caused you to switch from a Murkowski to a Miller voter?"

Excellent segment. There were the usual folks who didn't like Lisa initially being appointed to the Senate seat by her dad, former Governor Murkowski, plus some with animus towards her for her amazingly inexpensive yet questionably fortunate purchase of pristine river property on the Kenai. There were also some who said it was a done deal that they would never ever vote for her again following her vote for Tarp.

But then some sited the recent tapes played on radio (hat tip Fagan) where Lisa, before the Obama-care vote, said she was not opposed to Government run Obama Health Care in principle, just opposed to some of the particulars in the proposals which needed to be better thought out in order to make Government run Health Care work, in which case she might be for it. Well since the entire point of the Dem's mad rush to shove through Obamacare was simply to ram the structure in place and screw the details, when this tape came out in the week before the Primary, it truly convinced folks that Lisa was part of the problem and not part of the solution. I know for me personally that that release of those tapes and constant repetition on local talk radio was huge. And as far as I know, none of that was covered by the ADN or local TV.

And this is not to take away from the callers who simply said they were truly impressed with Joe Miller.

Anyhow, just thought I would throw this out there as frequently you get a better read on particular motivations listening to average Joe's calling in on the radio, than you get from a ton of columnists trying to encapsulate it long distance in hindsight while doing their partisan schtick.


Prestigious Mohammedan leader institutes new form of diplomacy

While the Colonel is cutting edge in many respects, he's not the first Mohammedan to think up that approach to international relations. As
John Adams and Thomas Jefferson related in a letter in 1786,

Soon after the arrival of Mr. Jefferson in London, we had a conference with the Ambassador of Tripoli at his house.

The amount of all the information we can obtain from him was, that a perpetual peace was in all respects the most advisable, because a temporary treaty would leave room for increasing demands upon every renewal of it, and a stipulation for annual payments would be liable to failures of performance, which would renew the war, repeat the negotiations, and continually augment the claims of his nation ; and the difference of expense would by no means be adequate to the inconvenience, since 12,500 guineas to his constituents, with ten per cent. upon that sum for himself, must be paid if the treaty was made for only one year.

That 30,000 guineas for his employers, and £3,000 for himself, was the lowest terms upon which a perpetual peace could be made; and that this must be paid in cash on the delivery of the treaty, signed by his Sovereign; that no kind of merchandizes could be accepted.

That Tunis would treat upon the same terms[*], but he could not answer for Algiers or Morocco.

We took the liberty to make some enquiries concerning the ground of their pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury, and observed that we considered all mankind as our friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation.

The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the laws of their Prophet; that it was written in their Koran ; that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners; that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners; and that every Mussulman who was slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.

*In fact, 19 years later, President Jefferson refused Tunis' demands of tribute, and blockaded Tripoli. When the USS Constitution captured Tunisian vessels attempting to run the blockade, Tunis threatened war, and sent an envoy to Washington to get restitution for the ships and protection money. One one occasion, that envoy of a hostile Mohammedan power - who had come to America only to extort money - was invited to dinner at the President's House at the customary hour of 3:30; the invitation was amended to sunset to accommodate his observance of Ramadan.

That dinner was celebrated by President Obama as "the first recorded iftar with the Ambassador from Tunisia".


Don't know if this came up today, but I'm glad this SOB is not watching our loved one's back.

">http://sweetness-light.com/archive/muslim-gi-to-al-jazeera-i-wont-deploy"> Muslim US Serviceman Nasser Abdo Talks to Al-Jazeera TV about His Refusal to Deploy to Afghanistan.

Alvin York he ain't.

Captain Hate

I forgot Cusack was in "Being John Malkovich". I liked Cameron Diaz in that as well although it's a tossup as to who makes my teeth hurt more when I hear them speak in "real life": Diaz or Kathleen Turner. Shut up and take your clothes off (Turner circa "Prizzi's Honor"; Diaz "The Mask").

Captain Hate

some with animus towards her for her amazingly inexpensive yet questionably fortunate purchase of pristine river property on the Kenai.

Oh c'mon daddy; you're just envious you didn't get your bid in quicker on that parcel. I'll bet you were skeptical of Muffer Stalin-Rodham's prowess in cattle-futures that you too could've capitalized on if you just read the WSJ more insightfully.


Congrats, daddy, on Miller's win. Alaska seems crazy poltically imo, but your posts help my understanding. Re your link to Gutierrez' twitter, isn't that uber-Dem Ann Richards on the motorcycle? If Gutierrez is posing as impartial, that won't help.

And I second Cusack in Say Anything as my favorite.


Hi, Soylent!
Right you are, bgates..I suppose O's speechwriter knew and fudged the first iftar but c'mon, we know O "don't know much about his-to-ry"


daddy, thanks for the Ak report


About a hundred years after that, we seem to have learned something, in the Perdicaris affair with Raisuli, in the LUN


I am envious Cap'n, of both those gal's and their great foresight and amazing good luck. Here's the Lisa Kenai story">http://alaskareport.com/news/z46392_lisa_murkowski_crime.htm">story on that fortunate good deal. (Pssst. Please don't look too long at the Hawaiian Vacations ad on the top left.)


Don't know if its Ann Richards on the cycle but her Twitter page says the unbiased News Director's twitter account is followed by ezra Klein and the usual suspects. Don't get hurricaned if you can help it.

G'nite Clarice.

Happy to oblige. A full growler of Mooses Tooth Moonflower ESB bit the dust tonight in celebration, which is why I'm just now heading up to bed---heck even the dog beat me snoring tonight!


Yep, that's Ann "Poor George,he caint hep it" Richards. LUN


Dr. J preens: ``JOMers include such ne'er do wells as pilots, economists, public affairs commentators, scientists, some of the most accomplished lawyers in the country (not me) whose collective resumes include substantial governmental experience, securities litigation, debtor/creditor rights law and much else, farmers..."

Credentials are seldom relevant to our discussions here. If any, for example, have written recognized works on Islam or economics or so on, perhaps those works are worth referring to. But, as you know, ad hominem is the main content of JoM's regulars -- a daily exercise in the shaking off of intellectual insecurities via venting of ever more labored calumny, innuendo and self-negating false witness.

I will be the first to proclaim, however, that JOM's contribution to the health of American society is substantial. The blog acts as a honey trap for bigots like DoT, Rob, pofarmer and so on. It is a very good thing that they find the opportunity to publicize their insane, juvenile hatred of Muslims here because it also forms a public record that will ensure should any of these fellows ever attempt to run for public office, they will indeed be called to account.
I doubt DoT, poo, et al are stupid enough to assume they are anonymous here, but I do suspect their intellectual and emotional insecurities are such that they cannot control the impulse to fill their own public record with hateful remarks about a religious minority.

I am not among those who faults the Internet and blogs like this for "giving voice" to people like DoT and Rob and their Muslim-hating ilk. Rather, I think they would have exactly the same compulsive thoughts and actions anyway, since they derive ultimately from self-loathing, not a keyboard and cyberspace.

So, thanks DoT, for ending your political career before it ever started. That, indeed, is a public service.


Muffer Stalin-Rodham's

LOL. Never gets old.

Soylent, I think you are right about Gatsby and Obama. And about all the other stuff too. Except I do think those Oval Office couches are okay on their own - they just belong in the family room, not the parlor. The coffee table is revolting, though.

Captain Hate

The banality of zombie preenisaurus rex; extinct at the end of the 60s and doesn't even know it.

Captain Hate

(Pssst. Please don't look too long at the Hawaiian Vacations ad on the top left.)

I'll be posting from my bunk and making vacation plans.

hit and run

Say what you want about JPod's contention that Obama turned neocon in his speech last night -- JPod ends his article by really,really, (no I mean really) twisting the knife in Obama's back http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/barack_the_neocon_brsZZIP4IIEMbYsUR9w5wI>while doing so:

No wonder he was so nice to George W. Bush last night. The speech sounded like Bush. Not as eloquent or as memorable, but, hey, that's life.

Ouch. Please tell me that someone will read that to Obama.

Captain Hate

LUN for an unflinchingly honest, but affectionate, view of another side of an American original (hopefully viewable for non-subscribers).


So it appears that the WH blundered re: the MLK Jr quote on the new Oval Office rug. MLK did say it, but he was quoting someone else - Theodore Parker, 19th century Unitarian minister, who wrote it in 1853.

How apropos for this President and this administration.


Couldn't even find a good MLK quote. Now that's funny.


Drudge has left this photo up for almost a day now. Another shot at Obama, I take it.

"Get your f'n hand off me, sir." (Caption contest entry.)


That's incredible, Porchlight. What they do/don't do about it will be interesting.


Ed Schultz, saying he could get 300,000 to the Mall, too, no I'm not linking the Allah
poke, that's primo vaudeville, right there


Soylent, Great Comments!Glad to see them.


1853 Theodore Parker:

"I do not pretend to understand the moral universe; the arc is a long one, my eye reaches but little ways; I cannot calculate the curve and complete the figure by the experience of sight; I can divine it by conscience. And from what I see I am sure it bends towards justice."

So MLK's paraphrase of Parker, which he used many times, is considered original?


LUN is an illustration of how dismissive the Left is about the mosque and how stupid they believe the masses to be.

Yes they really do say stupid.

Why does it matter? It's from the Editor of Encyclopedia Britannica. You know that place where students think they can go for reliable, objective information.

Also the Orlando imam fundraising for Hamas I described and linked to yesterday.

Political appointee of Crist to several state boards.

Go Rubio!!


MLK's paraphrase of Parker on WH rug:

“The Arc of the Moral Universe is Long, But it Bends Towards Justice” – Martin Luther King, Jr.

Captain Hate

It's hilarious how deranged idiots like Shultz get at Beck; really Ed, is Glenn the crazy one?


Crist appointed the Orlando imam Hamas fundraiser and George Galloway confederate to Crist's Faith-Based and Community Advisory Council.

Crist also appointed the good imam to his 2010 Sunshine Census Committee.

LUN is the link to the story and to the undercover tape as well.


Ed Shultz was given 3 minutes to speak at Sharpton's rally. He said he'd got on the bus and "been riding with the brothers" for 40 years. He didn't mention if it was a short bus.


Kate McMillan, of Small DEad Animals, the best Canadian not named Mark Steyn, makes that
point often


Apparently, going against the consensus can cost you your job.


Who is John Galt.


DOT! Went to El Cajon Blvd (That's also Main street right?) last October to see the Beat Farmers. Lotsa kabobs there.

Captain Hate

Kudos to Lisa Murkowski for accepting the will of the voters by conceding last night and not being as pathetically addicted to power as Cheeto Crist. That might be the faintest praise in the world but at least she can rightfully claim ethical superiority to somebody.

Thomas Collins

Bunkerbuster, in light of your critique of those whom you assert make unsupportable broadbrush characterizations about certain groups, I wonder if you are considering retracting the following statement (made by you in a June 23, 2010 3:50 AM JOM post):

"No amount of troops can solve the problems in Afghanistan, which have do do with tribalism and poverty at a level that prevents education, which perpetuates poverty."

If you continue to insist on painting your Afghanistan piece with a broad brush, I wonder whether you might consider adding to the canvas the notion that the military power of the Taliban must be crushed before a viable civil society could take hold in Afghanistan. Perhaps you might want your piece to be a little more nuanced and inclusive of factors other than tribalism and poverty.

Rick Ballard

Fitting end to The Summer of Our Non-Recovery:

ADP Estimates Companies in U.S. Unexpectedly Cut Jobs

Now for Epic Failure Fall.


Great link to the Encyclopedia Britannica guy, rse. I'm going to bookmark that site so I can check back on November 3rd.

And check Drudge now, narciso.


This was a powerful rebuke of the 'rocket surgeons' (that's not a typo) at the NRSC, typified but not only limited to Cornyn, what
one member in our group calls the Clique, who
would settle for the crumbs for the table, It
is also a challenge to McConnell, for his team, seems to dissappearing faster than the
cast of Predator, as Erickson pointed out last night


I wonder who's cars will get the best grades?


Rob Crawford

is also a challenge to McConnell, for his team, seems to dissappearing faster than the
cast of Predator, as Erickson pointed out last night

You realize two of the cast of Predator have been elected governors, right?


Instapundit linked to a short and insightful bit that really helps explain why the Left is so freaked out over the rally last weekend:

http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/15295.html>I Think I See What Glenn Beck is Doing

Captain Hate

I want to see a headline that the Repukes in the NRC are unexpectedly cleaning out their desks.


Good geo-political oriented article by Paul Salem:

By overthrowing regional order, US unleashed a genie

Paul Salem

The US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 changed the geostrategic outlines of the Middle East. It brought a massive western army into the region with an ambitious agenda of regime-change, toppled a major Arab state that had served as a buffer to Iranian and Turkish power for most of the 20th century, and unleashed sharp ethnic and sectarian tensions that reverberated around the region. Although the effects of the Iraq war on the region are still unfolding, some consequences are already irreversible.

The initial justification for the invasion of Iraq was posed as defensive and linked to the threat of weapons of mass destruction and the purported Iraqi support for al Qa’eda. When these reasons proved empty, the justification was cast in wider and more aggressive terms: a push for regime change and forced democratisation in order to transform the Middle East.

The unspoken model was previous American experiences in Europe and Asia, where the toppling of hostile regimes (Nazi Germany, imperial Japan and the Soviet Union) had led to pro-western transformations in governments from Berlin to Tokyo, and many capitals in between.

Needless to say, American ambitions in the Middle East did not pan out as planned. The political situation in Iraq did not coalesce as in post-war Germany and Japan or post-collapse Russia, with the rapid rise of a western-oriented national leadership. Rather, politics deteriorated into prolonged internal conflict and paralysis.

Those neighbours of Iraq that were targeted for regime change, Syria and Iran, did not fall in line after the American invasion, but co-operated intensely to undermine the occupation and try to force the US withdrawal. Arab allies of the US who panicked at Bush administration pressure for rapid democratisation learnt that they could get by with only cosmetic reforms, and that the US would back off from its agenda once it realised that Islamist parties would be the likely winners.

Far from transforming the region into an oasis of American influence led by pro-western liberal elites on the western and central European model, the war strengthened radicals in the region and in places reinforced the hold of authoritarian regimes.

In terms of regional order, the collapse of Iraq heralded the end of the Arab order that had prevailed precariously since the 1950s. This order had been informed by the ideology of Arab nationalism, institutionalised in the League of Arab States, and strengthened under the leadership of the Egyptian president Gamal Abdel Nasser.

The separate peace between Egypt and Israel in 1979 was a strong blow to this order, as was the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait a decade later. But the toppling of the Iraqi state in 2003 marked the transformation of Iraq from a state protecting the borders of the Arab order to an arena of regional influence and competition.

Although Egypt and Saudi Arabia are struggling to preserve Iraq within the “Arab order”, the country is at the centre of an emerging regional order which includes strong roles for Iran and Turkey in addition to the Arab states.

The toppling of Iraq also changed the thematics of Middle East politics. Although the Arab-Israeli conflict remained important, the issue of a rising Iran and the re-ignition of Sunni-Shiite tension emerged as two new themes.

With regard to the Arab-Israel conflict, friends of Israel had led the charge for the American invasion of Iraq. Israel was rid of the strongest Arab threat against it, but it ended up facing a new and larger threat in the shape of an empowered and nuclearising Iran, commanding a semi-imperial zone of influence stretching through Iraq, Syria and southern Lebanon, and reaching all the way to Gaza.

With Iraq gone and Iranian influence unleashed, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and other Arab states have sought to revive the peace process and resolve the Arab-Israeli conflict in order to pull Damascus away from Tehran and block Iranian exploitation of the issue. These attempts failed in the face of the Bush administration and Israeli uninterest, although all eyes are now on Barack Obama’s fresh efforts to revive talks. For most Arab leaders, since the Iraq war the potential threat from Iran has replaced the Arab-Israeli conflict as the main cause for concern.

Whereas Sunni dominance of the Arab world had been uncontested for centuries, the emergence of a Shiite-led state in Baghdad, the dominant position of Hizbollah in Lebanon, and the growing influence of Iran in the Middle East, has raised region-wide sectarian tensions.

These tensions not only fuelled the prolonged conflict in Iraq, brief sectarian clashes in Lebanon and insurgency in Yemen, but have also led to serious Sunni-Shiite stand-offs in Bahrain, Kuwait and parts of Saudi Arabia. The Iraq war unleashed a genie that had lain relatively dormant, and Sunni-Shiite tension is likely to define much of the politics of the next few decades.

The Iraq war did indeed bring about a new Middle East, but not the one that the neo-conservatives of the Bush administration had envisioned. The leaders and peoples of the region, left with the consequences of this war, must grapple with its outcomes and effects, and look for ways to build regional stability and cooperation in the face of fast-moving events.


Yes, and even the Indian, Landham, who ran as
a Libertarian in Kentucky, have proven not to be up to snuff, Arnold is the sanest of the bunch what does that tell you,

It is remarkable how incomplete this verdicts in history are, the Baathist almost total proscription of the Shia majority, led to the rise of the Da'wa, Khomeini's exile in Najaf and Karbala, had little effect, till the '75 agreement over the Shatt al Arab, that forced his transfer to Paris in '78, Saddam apparently little
quarrel with him, in his rise to power. In fact one might say, it was largely the Iran/Iraq war, 'that all the world contributed to,' to paraphrase Marlow on Kurtz, that really touched off the regional
crisis.typified by the tanker war in '87-88.


((It's hilarious how deranged idiots like Shultz get at Beck; really Ed, is Glenn the crazy one?))

They think overwrought histrionics are going help them when in fact such displays are political suicide. When people of common sense see a crazy man, they cross to the other side of the street to avoid contact. Same thing in politics.


Vai Insty: WaPo on union "door-knockers" get out the vote effort:

“When our canvassers call on our members on their doorsteps, they hear Glenn Beck or Bill O’Reilly in the background,” says Dan Heck, who heads a massive union-sponsored program in Ohio devoted to persuading its members to vote this November for candidates who would mightily displease Beck and O’Reilly.

Danube of Thought

Fascinating John Adams stuff, bgates. And hey, "Mussulman." Has a nice ring to it, no? Mussulman...Mussulman...no doubt all self-respecting jihadists would consider the term insulting today.

We'll see.

Danube of Thought

Here's a guy who says that Mohammedanism isn't a religion, it's foreign law.

Thomas Collins

I'll bet Barracuda will eat no arugula in Iowa (although she may munch on the flesh of the Hutch, Rom, Dans and Paw tribes). See LUN. :-))


DoT: since this is about your neck of the woods, thought you might enjoy this tweet from Jim Geraghty:

"Last month, San Diego County, CA had 4,850 more Democrats than Republicans. Today, it has 891 more GOP than Dems."


Pretty good Aussie perspective. He identifies three illusions that he says have been shattered. I hope they have been, but...

Iraq and the collapse of neo-con illusions


In recent days, several high-profile neo-conservatives and backers of the Iraq war have indulged in some triumphalism.

David Brooks, writing in the New York Times, points to several key statistics - economic growth, basic security, and political and legal institutions - to show that "nation building works".

Paul Wolfowitz, a key architect of the 2003 invasion, says that Iraq could become the South Korea of the Middle East so long as the United States maintains a long-term commitment. Numerous US Republican activists, meanwhile, call on anti-war critics to "Apologise to Bush".

I beg to differ. Certainly, Iraq is in a much better position today than anyone had the right to expect several years ago. Since President George W Bush's decision to increase US combat troops in early 2007, the level of violence and deaths has dramatically declined and local politics has embraced the exhilarating, albeit complicated, quality of a functioning democracy. All true.

But none of this means that Iraq will necessarily become a viable democratic state once Uncle Sam's boot leaves the ground later next year. Will, for instance, those age-old ethnic and tribal tensions resurface?

Nor does the recent progress on the ground justify the original decision to invade Iraq seven and a half years ago. It certainly does not justify all the costs in terms of blood (more than 4,500 coalition deaths and scores of thousands of Iraqi civilian deaths) and treasure (trillion US dollars and counting).

But the Iraq experience has produced one good thing, something that many Australians will appreciate: it has shattered three dangerous neo-conservative illusions that have warped US policy in the post-9/11 era. In international relations, the destruction of illusion is almost always healthy and although it has taken a huge cost in American blood, treasure and prestige, it is to be hoped that Washington will learn from recent experience, correct its course and adopt a world view more in accordance with a realist world view.

Now I've given up on the many times I myself have been derided as a "neo-con", especially on this site. It is a crude slur to apply on anyone who happens to be on the right of the political and ideological spectrum. But neo-conservativism has a peculiar intellectual linkage to hawkish liberal Democrats who fell out with George McGovern's isolationism as well as Kissingerian realpolitik in the 1970s; and I am not one of them.

Instead, I would describe myself as a conservative realist in the tradition of Hans Morgenthau, Brent Scowcroft and former ABC Boyer lecturer Owen Harries. I certainly have no problem with America throwing its weight around the world in the service of promoting its national interests and preserving the balance of power. But I decry the tendency of US policy to be idealistic. And the problem with US policy during the Bush years was precisely that: by seeking unlimited moralistic goals in place of specific limited national interests, Washington inflamed domestic opinion with appeals to utopian goals and had ignored the coasts of achieving them. All too often, Bush foreign policy was formed by several neo-conservative illusions, which thankfully have been shattered thanks to the Iraq experience.

The first of these illusions is the belief that preventive war was justified to combat rogue states. After the 9/11 attacks, it was confidently predicted that the twin pillars of national security policy during the Cold War - containment and deterrence - no longer worked against the Saddam Husseins of the world. As Bush said in 2002 (replayed with devastating effect in Oliver Stone's movie W): "After September 11, the doctrine of containment just doesn't hold any water as far as I'm concerned."

Today, it is clear that containment still has relevance. There is every reason to believe that any threat posed by Saddam, a cynical calculator whose overriding concern was consolidating power, not exporting martyrdom, could have been contained as it had been since the 1991 Gulf War. True, containment does not work against terrorists, who can run and hide, but rogue states do have a return address. Saddam knew if he smuggled weapons of mass destruction to Al-Qaeda or used banned weapons against US interests, his regime would have met, as Rice put it in another realist) life in 2000, "national obliteration" from the US nuclear arsenal.

Yet for preventive war advocates, containment meant, as The Weekly Standard's neo-conservative editors warned, coddling a "suicidal tyrant". Never mind that containment (sanctions, naval blockade, no-fly zone) kept that suicidal tyrant in his box for more than a decade. And never mind that although a strategy of containment lacked the ideological red meat the American people crave, it recognised the dangers of the unintended consequences a "liberated" Iraq delivered, especially in the immediate aftermath of Saddam's downfall: a power vacuum which culminated in widespread chaos, a vicious insurgency, and a strengthened shia Iran.

As Obama faces the challenge of dealing with a nuclear-bound Tehran or Pyongyang, he should recall the lesson that Bush and the neo-cons forgot: that if Stalin's Soviet Union and Mao's China could be contained, so can Iran's mullahs and North Korea's communists.

The second neo-con illusion is the belief that democracy is an export commodity. This noble but misguided idea was an article of faith not only among the neo-conservatives in and out of the Bush administration but also among the anti-McGovern liberal wing of the Democratic Party. None of this was surprising - such idealistic instincts are as old as the republic itself. In the post-9/11 context, neo-cons and liberal hawks were adamant that problems abroad stemmed from the authoritarian nature of foreign governments, that the new era heralded an Arab spring, that the time was ripe for the political transformation of the whole region and that history was on the side of good over evil. The examples of post-fascist Japan and West Germany, the argument went, could be replicated in the Middle East.

But the conditions and circumstances in post-war Iraq have been hardly conducive to the kind of dramatic social and political change that worked so well in US client states after World War II. For one thing, Japan and West Germany were genuine, coherent nation states with homogeneous cultures, whereas Iraq is an arbitrarily-created state with deep ethnic and tribal divisions. For another thing, Japan and West Germany had already modernised and had a history, albeit a blighted one, of parliamentary government on which the US-led occupation forces could build. Iraq is still in the process of modernising and, notwithstanding some of the progress that David Brooks identifies here, is open to all the disturbing ideological and sectarian forces that this process unleashes.

Although the US had long championed the idea of promoting democracy across the world, the Bush policy of regime change nonetheless marked a radical departure from established norms. In the immediate aftermath of Saddam's downfall in April 2003, Bush and the neo-cons threatened that they could use military power to topple authoritarian regimes in Syria and Iran and eventually reshape the Middle East along democratic lines. This was to be social engineering on a massive scale. To call this position conservative was a misnomer; it was a radical, grandiose agenda, and true conservatives as George Bush and John Howard should have known should always be conscious that radical change can lead to loss as well as gain and is fraught with the danger of unintended consequences.

The third illusion that guided neo-con policy was the Pax Americana or, as leading neo-conservative figures Bob Kagan and Bill Kristol once coined, "benign hegemony". This belief was engaged by neo-cons as well as liberal hawks following the collapse of the Soviet Empire and it gained more acclaim in the aftermath of 9/11. Even the words imperialism and empire, usually terms of abuse in American public discourse, were wholeheartedly embraced by many influential thinkers on the Washington think-tank circuit.

But the idea of a heavy-handed policy to remake the world in America's image was bound to generate widespread resentment, hostility and concerted political opposition. Such a scenario was evident in early 2003 when the French-led UN Security Council ganged up to thwart the US-led resolution to invade Iraq. And it has been evident in the way anti-Americanism rose dramatically during the rest of the Bush years. It remains to be seen whether Obama's worldwide popularity translates into more favourable global attitudes towards the American "hyper-power", as a French foreign minister called the US several years before Bush and the neo-conservatives arrived in the White House.

But if the US indiscriminately throws its weight around and treats potential partners with contempt and neglect, such posturing will inevitably galvanise a backlash. This is not a criticism so much of the US; it's more a reflection of the tendencies of power politics. Hegemony always seems like the ideal system to the nation practising it; the very effort to impose it will inspire coalitions to resist it.

None of this means that the collapse of the neo-con illusions presages the collapse of American. The US has consistently demonstrated remarkable ability to bounce back from adversity: think of 1812, the civil war, the Depression, Pearl Harbor, Vietnam and Watergate. It is just that the neo-con illusions that clouded American judgment during the Bush years have been shattered. And this is a good thing for America and the world.

Jim Ryan

I read in a standard history textbook that after defeating the Barbary Coast pirates in battle, we were only able to make them lower the amount they required in tribute, rather than eliminate it. Not sure whether the kidnappings stopped.

Anyone have any dope on that?

Army of Davids

A big political liability for Crist against Rubio.

August 31, 2010

Home Values Fell 16% in 2008, But Property Taxes Rose 4.2%

Tax Foundation, Property Tax Revenue Increased As Property Values Fell:
The Case-Shiller index, a popular measure of residential home values, shows a drop of almost 16% in home values across the country between 2007 and 2008. As property values fell, one might expect property tax collections to have fallen commensurately, but in most cases they did not.
Data on state and local taxes from the U.S. Census Bureau show that most states' property owners paid more in FY 2008 (July 1, 2007, through June 30, 2008) than they had the year before (see Table 1). Nationwide, property tax collections increased by more than 4%. In only four states were FY 2008's collections lower than in FY 2007: Michigan, South Carolina, Texas and Vermont. And in three states—Florida, Indiana and New Mexico—property tax collections rose more than 10%.
Per Capita Tax
New Mexico
West Virginia

U.S. Average

New York
South Carolina


It is the perverse nature of economic reality, that as prices go down, rates are hiked, reducing the incentive for retaining said property, Much like hiking taxes,reduces the total tax take

Captain Hate

Yes but even though property taxes were up, porkulus funds were still slopped to the public schools to keep those "lives touched" numbers up; and teachers could get their salary bumps while the private sector was forced to lay people off. BUT IT'S FOR THE CHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILDREN!!!!


rse, thanks for that Britannica link. My comment is up. I'm curious to see how long it lasts.





--What's the Tea Party position on Iraq? Re-invade? No position? lol...--

Like the original tea partiers they are quite properly focused on the singular goal of throwing off their greedy oppressors first, before we are all bankrupted.
I'm pretty sure though that whatever their position on Iraq, the large majority would not be so callow or cynical as to take credit for something they opposed and actively worked against.


Where's your comment, bgates? I don't see it. They remove it already?

Jim Ryan

Er, shut up, Zero, only one of us can use this keyboard at a time.

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