Our Ever-So-Helpful Pakistan Allies

The NY Times front-pages the backstory behind the capture (reported in February) of Taliban leader Abdul Ghani Baradar:

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — When American and Pakistani agents captured Abdul Ghani Baradar, the Taliban’s operational commander, in the chaotic port city of Karachi last January, both countries hailed the arrest as a breakthrough in their often difficult partnership in fighting terrorism.

But the arrest of Mr. Baradar, the second-ranking Taliban leader after Mullah Muhammad Omar, came with a beguiling twist: both American and Pakistani officials claimed that Mr. Baradar’s capture had been a lucky break. It was only days later, the officials said, that they finally figured out who they had.

Now, seven months later, Pakistani officials are telling a very different story. They say they set out to capture Mr. Baradar, and used the C.I.A. to help them do it, because they wanted to shut down secret peace talks that Mr. Baradar had been conducting with the Afghan government that excluded Pakistan, the Taliban’s longtime backer.

In the weeks after Mr. Baradar’s capture, Pakistani security officials detained as many as 23 Taliban leaders, many of whom had been enjoying the protection of the Pakistani government for years. The talks came to an end.

Interestingly, the Times had suggested this motive the day after the capture was reported:

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan’s arrest of the top Taliban military commander may be a tactical victory for the United States, but it is also potentially a strategic coup for Pakistan, officials and analysts here and in Afghanistan said.

Pakistan has removed a key Taliban commander, enhanced cooperation with the United States and ensured a place for itself when parties explore a negotiated end to the Afghan war.

The arrest followed weeks of signals by Pakistan’s military chief, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani — to NATO officials, Western journalists and military analysts — that Pakistan wanted to be included in any attempts to mediate with the Taliban.

Even before the arrest of the Taliban commander, Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, a senior Pakistani intelligence official expressed irritation that Pakistan had been excluded from what he described as American and Afghan approaches to the Taliban.

“On the one hand, the Americans don’t want us to negotiate directly with the Taliban, but then we hear that they are doing it themselves without telling us,” the official said in an interview. “You don’t treat your partners like this.”

And, in a bit pf prescience, the Times had reported similar Pakistani concerns prior to the announcement of the Baradar arrest:

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan has told the United States it wants a central role in resolving the Afghan war and has offered to mediate with Taliban factions who use its territory and have long served as its allies, American and Pakistani officials said.

The offer, aimed at preserving Pakistan’s influence in Afghanistan once the Americans leave, could both help and hurt American interests as Washington debates reconciling with the Taliban.

I don't know how prescient that really was, since the Times cooperated with the Pentagon and sat on the Baradar news for a while.  And when was Baradar arrested?  Good question.  The current Times story open with this:

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — When American and Pakistani agents captured Abdul Ghani Baradar, the Taliban’s operational commander, in the chaotic port city of Karachi last January

But the Feb 15 story has this:

WASHINGTON — The Taliban’s top military commander was captured several days ago in Karachi, Pakistan, in a secret joint operation by Pakistani and American intelligence forces...

A few days, a few weeks...

Comments

[Jack is Back!]

Next thing you know, the Times will also want a seat at the table in quad-parte negotiations between the Afghan government, the Taliban, Pakistan, and the New York Times.

[PDinDetroit]

OT - Fake TEA Party Exposed!

Oakland County MI Democratic Operations Director Jason Bauer resigned in the wake of accusations he notarized campaign filings for a fake Tea Party candidate.

LUN.

[Thomas Collins]

See LUN for a Memri Report that would support the claim that the Paks' motive for the arrest was to disrupt Afghan-Taliban negotiations. Of course, as with anything else reported about The Great Game, it is to be taken with a grain (or is that several grains) of salt.

[Matthew Crandall]

I watched a video of the former Pakistan "intelligence" chief ranting about how the "Zionist forces" were pushing for World War III. I don't think anyone in Pakistan is credible or trustworthy, by Western definitions of the words.

[Appalled]

OK, why would the US sign on for an arrest that had the effect of scuttling hope of settling the war in Afghanistan? Did they not like the way the peace would turn out? Did they not know what was going on, and got played?

Doubt we will ever know the answers, and perhaps we should not be told. Nonetheless, I would not mind knowing.

[Porchlight]

OT,

Just got back from a long weekend of reunion planning at my alma mater, a liberal arts college. I am sure that 99% of the people there (all different ages) were Obama voters, but his name was brought up exactly twice in four days in hours and hours of conversation.

However, the looming Republican takeover was referenced many more times than that. I met a young man who works for the (Dem) Minnesota Attorney General, and he said that he *thinks* she'll win re-election because of name recognition, but the fact that a lot of people are going to vote straight Republican ticket might push her opponent over the top, so he was pretty nervous.

Straight Republican ticket. In Minnesota.

[matt]

The Taliban leadership is afforded the hospitality of the Pakistani government whether through the ISI's secret ralationships or more formal relationships that are simply unacknowledged.

An article that appeared in several locations shortly after Baradur was arrested stated that the Taliban leaders were being housed comfortably and that Pakistani officials promised them an early release.They have been meddling in Karzai's efforts for the past 6-9 months.

Pakistan feels they have a vital national interest in Afghanistan and are very afraid of Indian influence.They will do whatever is necessary to protect those interests. The LSE papers were very enlightening on this subject.

For the past several years, the Pakistanis have been the logistical and even operational enablers of the Taliban, with "retired" PA officers planning and running specific missions, notably the most controversial, including suicide bombings, attacks on female students, and even the bridge right outside Kandahar that was blown early in the year.

The jihad could be crippled irrevocably tomorrow if the Pakistanis in fact withdrew their support. Unfortunately, the leadership are also at the center of the narcotics trade, the hugely profitable smuggling of commercial goods in and out of Pakistan,and the protection rackets and haulage businesses for ISAF. It is an utterly corrupt matrix.

The Times once again is way behind the power curve.

[Janet]

From your keyboard to God's ear Porchlight.

[narciso]

When the son of the head of the Pakistani FAA
is the Times Square bomber, that's a microcosm
of the matter

[Thomas Collins]

Anyone know whether the LUNed tape recording has been verified?

[Jane]

Wow Porch.

I'm trying to get a bead on the MA house races. NO one seems to think there are any.

[Porchlight]

Jane,

That is probably a good thing as I bet the Republicans are paying attention even if Dems aren't, and the R turnout will be big. I actually have a college classmate running for the MA House in Andover. A Republican, too (one of the few at school).

[Danube of Thought]

Here's a surprise: Chuck Hagel is supporting Sestak against Toomey.

[Jane]

That's where I grew up Porch.

[Jane]

What's his name?

[matt]

apropos to the topic, another 34 Pakistanis were killed and many more wounded in multiple bombings in the tribal areas.

[Clarice]

"rom your keyboard to God's ear Porchlight."

Ditto.
Jane, no wonder we see things so much alike--a fellow Midwesterner!

As for Pakistan--I'm waiting to see a push for flood relief--from your pocket into that of the Pak political thieves.

The country is a miserable pox on humanity. Day after day I read of gang rapes there os Christian women and lynching of the men.Surely, it's one of the worst places on earth.

[matt]

Clarice;

they had video of a mob beating two innocent kids to death somewhere on the internet this morning. Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan, Chechnya, and the Congo are the most barbaric places on earth at present. Can anybody guess what the first four have in common?

[Jane]

Clarice, I'm not a midwesterner - but we still see things alike.

[PaulL]

As far as I know, only David "Splenger" Goldman has ever said what should be done: Let India handle Pakistan and Afghanistan.

[glasater]

If this doesn't give you a warm, fuzzy feeling--I don't know what will.

[PaulL]

Or Spengler.

[Thomas Collins]

Matt queried:

"Can anybody guess what the first four have in common?"

Let me guess. They have many adherents of a faith emphasizing struggle with one's internal being which faith is defamed by right wing JOMers due to the activities of an infinitesimal number of its adherents who seem to, due to their understandable reaction against being treated as "the other" by hegemonic Western imperialists, seem to think that the struggle is to force others to submit. Not to mention a faith supported by America's gliberals, who believe that submission is nothing to lose one's head over.

[Janet]

I can't even watch that glasater...
I don't have the words to describe how sad I am for our country.

[Sue]

glasater,

You know, I think I would have had to have found me a picture of Mohamed and wiped my feet on it. Right in front of the cocksuckers.

[Janet]

That video reminded me of some Muslim protesters in England chasing the police down the road & throwing things at them. The police just kept backing up & then they would stand and watch as the protesters vandalized cars. It was very sad to watch.

[Janet]

If a citizen can't call the police for order, what is left to do? It's like Arizona...how do they stop the anarchy if the authorities will not?

[Porchlight]

Wow, cool, Jane. The guy's name is Salim Tabit. I hope he wins.

[Rob Crawford]

If a citizen can't call the police for order, what is left to do?

My answer to that would no doubt work certain lefties into a froth, so I will not state it.

[Jane]

Here you go Porch.

I swear with that name I thought he was indian.

[Thomas Collins]

See LUN for a post from the Memri Blog that indicates that Imam al-Rauf may be more interested in submission of the dhimmis than a dialogue among equals. I wonder what Frank Rich will say about this.

[matt]

more details on the hijab scam:

ANAHEIM, Calif. – A woman who accused the Disney Co. of discrimination for refusing to let her wear a Muslim head scarf at work says she won't wear a specially designed hat instead.

Imane Boudlal, who's a restaurant hostess at the Disneyland Resort in Anaheim, says Disney's suggested hat-and-bonnet is embarrassing and makes a joke of her religion.

She has gone home without pay seven times rather than remove her hijab or accept jobs away from customers.

Disney spokeswoman Suzi Brown says the head covering accommodates both Boudlal's beliefs and Disney costuming guidelines. She says it was one of several options Disney made after Boudlal requested alterations to her approved apparel.

Last week, Boudlal filed a complaint with the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

[Carol Herman]

If the Times is reporting a "capture," I'd like to know how they know? Are they shown cut-off ears?

There's lots of Pakistanis who drowned.

And, the truth? There aren't announcements in the Times that would score points with most of the public, anymore.

[narciso]

They'll be reporting Mullah Omar's capture around October, about six months after Brad Thor broke the story

[Rick Ballard]

TC,

The Memri article outlines the importance of The President's Own Mosque. How on earth can he be expected to climb to the minaret and issue "the most beautiful sound in the world" (in perfect Arabic) unless his mosque is allowed to go forward? I'm sure that he feels that unless he can issue the muslim call to headchopping prayer above the site of the greatest muslim victory in the past 200 years his life will be as much an abject failure as his Presidency.

[Thomas Collins]

I wonder what types of accommodations Hooters Restaurants would offer to make.

[Thomas Collins]

Rick, I'm sure Obama would find an appearance at the mosque opening a fitting capstone to his Cairo speech and his Presidency in general. A happier ending in my book would be one term President Obama leaving DC in January of 2013 just as groundbreaking for a new Greek Orthodox Church happens at a lot in the Ground Zero area.

[Porchlight]

Thanks, Jane. It's funny, I've known the guy for 20 years (not well - we have mutual friends in common) and I've never known what nationality he is.

[Rick Ballard]

Clarice,

I believe that yesterday's Pieces was the best yet. Those wishing to compare for themselves can review them all here.

[daddy]

TC,

By coinkydink wandered by a Hooter's last night in a semi-Islamic country (http://ahclem.com/HootersII.jpg "> Singapore), and saw not a single ">http://b.blog.xuite.net/b/4/7/2/13165016/blog_55823/txt/10002022/3.jpg"> waitress in a hijab, though there were a few on some">http://farm1.static.flickr.com/163/362493997_65c9bb6e1f_b.jpg">some customers.

[Clarice]

Thank you, Rick. I don' know what I could do if I couldn't steal from you and everyone else here.

[Rob Crawford]

OT, but I just realized something about the imam Rauf situation: it's illegal for our intelligence services to work with people who may be 100% on our side but have a criminal past or who have worked with the regime they now oppose. Our secret, shadow-war defenders are expected to have the whitest of togas and to only deal with choir boys and angels.

But the State Department funds, supports, defends, enables "spokesmen" who hate us.

I don't know about anyone else, but I consider the behavior of State in this affair to be far more offensive and even criminal than, say, secretly slipping some cash to a death squad commander who may have had a change of heart.

[Thomas Collins]

I'm looking forward to your continuing research reports and accompanying photographic evidence, daddy.

And now for a TC can't resist off topic comment.

Which University Prez has the least justification in saying: "Every allegation is not a truth." See LUN to see if you have the correct answer.

[Terry Gain]

OK, why would the US sign on for an arrest that had the effect of scuttling hope of settling the war in Afghanistan?

Oh please. Settling the war? As idiotic a concept as a Reconciliation Mosque. If we are going to concede Afghanistan to the Taliban at least do so without leaving a paper trail that proves what fools we are.

If this war could be won, it can't be won by a leftist - especially a radical leftist like Obama. We should just leave now before another drop of American blood is spilled.

[Extraneus]

Hey, I've been to that Hooters, daddy. Didn't notice any hijabs either.

[daddy]

Speaking of separation of Church and State, how much do you think the Government should have given to a Native "Artiste" to carve ">http://www.adn.com/2010/08/19/1416823/california-congressman-blasts.html"> a Totem Pole honoring the US Census?

At 23,000 taxpayer dollars, I think it's pretty much a bargain for Government funded religious based animistic art.

BTW did they remove those offensive roadside religious crosses in Utah honoring dead policemen? I sure hope so as I wouldn't want the Government to be funding any sort of religious totems ya' know.

Totem |ˈtōtəm|
noun
a natural object or animal believed by a particular society to have spiritual significance and adopted by it as an emblem.

Totem Pole
noun
a pole on which totems are hung or on which the images of totems are carved.
totem pole

[narciso]

You're right Rob, consider our 'good friend'
Abdulahram Alamoudi, head of the Pentagon's
muslim chaplaincy effort, or that Isham fellow
under Englund, who we discovered had made up
part of his CV.

[Extraneus]

$23K?

LA unveils $578M school, costliest in the nation

LOS ANGELES – Next month's opening of the Robert F. Kennedy Community Schools will be auspicious for a reason other than its both storied and infamous history as the former Ambassador Hotel, where the Democratic presidential contender was assassinated in 1968.

With an eye-popping price tag of $578 million, it will mark the inauguration of the nation's most expensive public school ever.

[Extraneus]

Hope everyone saw that on Drudge today.

[daddy]

TC,

I really enjoyed KC Johnson's ">http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/"> DURHAM-IN-WONDERLAND blog during that whole LaCrosse episode, but I've not followed him since then. I remember he was a strong Obama supporter. Does anyone who has continued to follow KC know if he's still maintaining that support for Obama or whether he's changed his views. Regardless, he deserves a great round of applause for how well he did during that Duke fiasco, especially since the MSM wouldn't do it. Glad to see he's still hammering the B#$%tards at Duke for hypocrisy.

BTW, More ">http://farm1.static.flickr.com/173/398557471_1aac4fcc3c_o.jpg"> research.

[daddy]

This Brit, ">http://www.thealaskastandard.com/content/pat-condell-ground-zero-mosque-it-possible-be-astonished-not-surprised"> Pat Condell, is hard hitting on the Cordoba Mosque and suggests that instead they just build it at the United Nations, or better yet, just stick a minaret on top of the UN and call it done.

[Clarice]

Hot Air:

"Kendrick Meek is headed for a blowout victory in Tuesday’s Florida Democratic Senate primary. He’s now at 51% to 27% for Jeff Greene with the other candidates splitting 9% and 13% still undecided.

Jeff Greene made a bad first impression on Florida Democrats and the more they got to know him the less they liked him. His favorability numbers on a mid-July PPP poll with the primary electorate were 22/33. Now millions more dollars later they’re 28/47. It’s not often someone manages a -19 favorability spread within their own party but Greene’s candidacy has been one of a kind…

While it appears Meek is headed for an impressive victory on Tuesday night these poll numbers also exemplify the trouble ahead for his candidacy. Meek’s favorability with Democratic voters is 50%. Charlie Crist’s job approval rating with them is 57%. Given that his road in the general election is a very tough one.

In other words, Meek may be too weak to win the general but not too weak among Democrats to bleed Crist of the support he needs to win. In fact, Greene’s primary challenge might have inadvertently done Meek a favor by boosting his name recognition statewide. Result: Everything’s coming up Marco!"

[pagar]

American Thinker points out the fact that not 1 but 3 Huge Mega Mosques are planned for the state of Tenn

Amazing the fast track approvals they seem to generate.

[daddy]

More Totem stuff, or "Taxpayer Money well spent?" (Apologies in advance for the long paste)

"The U.S. Census Bureau went to great lengths, and apparently spared no expense, to boost participation in the decennial headcount in 2010. Its motto was "Stand up and be counted!...The Census spent $20,000 on a totem pole in the name of convincing more Alaskans to return their mail forms."

"The government commissioned an Alaskan artist to carve the totem pole, which was then shuttled to tribal events throughout the state for several months to promote participation in the census..."

"We believe strongly that this has been a very effective promotional investment...the Census Bureau spokesman told My Two Census.

"So was the totem pole effective in boosting turnout? No."

"Census data show the response rate in the Northwest Arctic Borough actually dropped by 6 percentage points in 2010 from 10 years earlier."

"Fewer than half, or 49 percent, of the residents there mailed their questionnaires back in 2010, compared with 55 percent in the 2000 head count. The response rate fell across the entire state of Alaska as well, to 62 percent from 64 percent." ">http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/censusandstatistics/a/census-bureau-builds-totem-pole.htm"> Link

[Sue]

Very nice, Clarice. Your Pieces hit all the right notes.

[Jane]

What other states have primaries tomorrow?

[Extraneus]

You're doing yeoman's work there daddy.

[daddy]

The Brit's warned Libya about having big celebrations on the Anniversary of the release of the Lockerbie mass murderer.

Well obviously Gaddafi took those warnings to heart, as instead he just sent members of his personal family with gifts over to the convicted murdering terrorist's home in Tripoli, where Megrahi (the odious killer being honored with presents) chatted long distance to friends in Scotland and had a nice time watching the BBC for broadcasts about himself, while surrounded by the warmth, respect and admiration of the ruling family. ">http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/08/22/lockerbie-bomber-abdelbaset-al-megrahi-s-celebration-115875-22504832/"> Link.

That might not strike you guys as the way to "not celebrate" the anniversary of a Mass Murderer getting out of Jail, but hell we're probably too judgemental about such stuff.

BTW, did anybody hear if Obama was outraged? incensed? livid? angry? furious? sent him a present?

[Captain Hate]

daddy, although, like you said, KC Johnson has done yeoman work on the Duke LAX case, at heart he's a lib and will disappoint just about any JOMer on any topic other than the dustup in Durham. Think of him as Charles Johnson with a significantly higher IQ and far less ADD; and equal musical talent. Fuck you Charles; I know you're reading this like the demented self-absorbed psycho you are.

[daddy]

Well Captain as long as he still hates Duke there's still some hope for him.

[Extraneus]

Americans Don’t Like Islam So Much

[Captain Hate]

Well Captain as long as he still hates Duke there's still some hope for him.

I'm really amazed Brodhead is still there. Maybe their alumni donations haven't taken as big a shot as I expected; either that or they're in denial and blaming it on the economy. Still money is the only thing that motivates those hypocritical pricks. The only good new they've had was Chefsky winning another title; and the Gang of 88 despises him as you might well think.

[Janet]

The Lockerbie murderer & the Gaddafi family. Remember when our State Dept. gave Gaddafi's kids money for their charities?
Is our State Dept. rotten or what?

[daddy]

Wow Janet,

I had forgotten that. According to the UK Telegraph, the charity that we US Taxpayer's payed $200,000 to fund is administered by Gaddafi's son, Saif al-Islam. He was the point man who welcomed the mass murderer back when he first returned to Libya, and I believe he was the gift bearer for the Anniversary yesterday.

But even worse than that, is this line from the ">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/7958874/Lockerbie-bomber-was-visited-by-Gaddafi-son-on-anniversary.html"> Telegraph Story:

"(Magrahi)... has chemotherapy treatment which has extended his life and is paid for by the government and the charity run by Saif al-Islam, the son of the leader, Col. Muammar Gaddafi."

Got that? Who's paying for this murderous Jihadist's cancer treatment?

We are.

[Bill in AZ sez it's time for Zero to resign]

What other states have primaries tomorrow?

AZ's primary is tomorrow. Here are some predictions, along with some interesting comments.

[Bill in AZ sez it's time for Zero to resign]

I don't really know what to expect from AZ's primary. I hope people who vote are paying attention. The primaries have really been messed up here with McAmnesty spending $20M to attack JD Hayworth. With all of the SB1070 attention, a lot of suspicious money has been spent on campaigns to discredit Arpaio (who isn't even running), and all he represents and endorses. Some really nasty accusations floating around, and even conservative bloggers (like the one I referenced above) who are coming out on the wrong side of it. Not to mention why a useless 3rd wheel who is hopelessly behind continues to stay in the Hayworth/McAmnesty senate race as a spoiler. If folks are paying attention, he may just spoil it for McAmnsety.

[centralcal]

Bill in AZ: I feel your pain. Actually, living in California, my pain is much worse than yours! ha. ha.

Damn - I so want Johnny Mac sent off to the retirement home. J.D. could always be voted off the island next go around if he proves worthless.

McCain. Reid. Boxer. Leahy. Want them ALL gone, gone, gone. (Actually, my list is way longer, but I am trying to be brief.)

[Jane]

Wow Bill, things are crazy there. I'd like to see hayworth come close at least because I think that would reflect the country's mood.

[Janet]

McCain is the worst kind of Republican to me...he is swayed by the media. I can't rely on where he stands. I would rather have someone I disagree with on some issues. Someone that I can know for sure where he/she stands.

[Ann Mongrel]

Bill in AZ:

Once in awhile a miracle happens.

I know one thing, JOM will be drinking and dancing with you tomorrow night if McCain retires.

[narciso]

That report that he is spending 3.5 million out of his defense fund on ads, against Hayworth, while he left Sarah in the lurch
after the campaign was the final straw

[bunkerbuster]

Anyone object to banning Islam outright in the U.S.?

[Danube of Thought]

If a citizen can't call the police for order, what is left to do?

In Britain, not a hell of a lot. Where I live, a 150-grain .30-'06 at 200 yards can restore order pretty quickly.

[Bill in AZ]

I am so sick of McAmnesty. In this election he and err... "my friends" have had their slimy paws all over the place. There is a "12 in '10" program going where all 12 are RINOs, possibly even defeatable in the general by libs. McAmnesty is very likely at the center of that. If he wins I wont vote for him, and will seriously have to consider voting against him. The state and the country will be better off without him and err... "my friends"

[Ann Mongrel]

narciso:

I was just thinking that tomorrow will be the first and last day we hope Sarah Palin loses big.

Has she appeared at any of McCain's fundraisers?

[PD]

Anyone object to banning Islam outright in the U.S.?

Legalize Lutefisk!

[narciso]

Well she did do that one rally, but she's supporting the opposition candidate to the
Alaskan version of Lindsey, West in Florida,
and a few others

[PD]

"my friends"

And the thumbs up every three seconds.

Hasn't anyone he respects ever told him you can't repeat these verbal and physical tics with such frequency without making yourself look silly?

[bunkerbuster]

Anyone even asking for a plan to contain or eliminate pseudo-Islamic terrorists WITHOUT relying on help from peaceful, moderate Muslims? Or is not having a plan the preferred Tea Party "strategy"?

[Bill in AZ]

I 'spect Sarah washed her mouth out with soap after that endorsement and hasn't had a thing to do with the ungrateful bastard since.

[Ann Mongrel]

Martha's Vineyard Update:

According to the menu posted on line, U.S. Citizen Tax Payer entrees there are priced up to $42

Weather is nasty outside, gale force winds and heavy rain.

Oh, and let me add my own two cents:

Day 5, Marie Antoinette locked up away from press pool and cameras!

Must be working on that 9/11 photo op with First Lady Laura Bush. Got a lot of work to do:

I never tire. :)

[anduril]

Geez, where can I get a gig like Michael Ledeen's? He's been recycling the same story about how the Islamic Republic of Iran is going to implode next week for what seems like a decade at least. And now he's got another one in the WSJ. I don't say it won't happen--although not next week--but this seems to be writing on the broken clock theory. If he lives long enough he's bound to be right.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Since there are only pseudo-Islamic terrrorists, maybe we should worry more about Branch Davdian zombies, which would be the Tea Party's plan for such poseurs.

After pouring the freshly brewed tea for the moderate, peaceful muslims present, of course.

So, there is a plan, so be sure to RSVP when you get yours.

And you will get yours. I feel relatively assured of that outcome.

[Sue]

Ann,

You want to know how we know MOO doesn't really have any style sense? No one is copying her style. Have you seen anyone else trying to copy her? How many women went out and bought Jackie O outfits?

Case closed.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Ann-

I just can't imagine them visiting this cafe for some reason, and Robert Louis Stevenson being racist isn't a good one.

[Clarice]

Jimmy Carter watch:

"EOUL (Reuters) – Former President Jimmy Carter will travel to North Korea soon to win the release of an American held prisoner there, the U.S.-based Foreign Policy journal reported on its Web site on Tuesday. Carter will make the trip as a private citizen with no accompanying U.S. officials to secure the release of Aijalon Mahli Gomes, 30, but may travel with his wife, the journal reported, quoting sources familiar with the former president. "

I'm doing a rhubarb dance in the hope that they capture and keep the Clintons and we refuse to ransom them.

[Matthew Crandall]

BunkBlaster: Does nuking meccah count as a plan? I figure that, and free bumper stickers that say "Allah is Dead" would be sufficient.

Mmmm, follow up question: back when lone wackos from the religious right were bombing abortion clinic, did you sit around with your leftist buddies and proclaim "We need to reach out and defend the peaceful, moderate Christians, its the only way to stop this aborto-terrorism!"

Yeah right.

[narciso]

Something from 'the Ransom of Red Chief' huh
Clarice

[peter]

Well, Sue, not too many have heard toned arms.

[Ann Mongrel]

Anyone even asking for a plan to contain or eliminate pseudo-Islamic terrorists WITHOUT relying on help from peaceful, moderate Muslims?

You are a little late. That would be the Iraq and Afghanistan wars until your side decided it was lost.

Or is not having a plan the preferred Tea Party "strategy"?

November 2010

Please read this article from 2007 or at least take it back to someone that can comprehend on your side:

September 10, 2007
Muslim group behind ‘mega-mosque’ seeks to convert all Britain

[Clarice]

Exactly, narciso.

[bunkerbuster]

Crandall asks: ``We need to reach out and defend the peaceful, moderate Christians, its the only way to stop this aborto-terrorism!"
No one in the U.S. mainstream media attacked peaceful, moderate Christians over those murders. No one. And, indeed, I have no problem praising the peace-loving nature of the vast majority of Christians. They are NOT represented by the Ku Klux Klan, even thought the Klan insists it's a Christian organization motivated by a sane reading of the Bible...Christians, indeed, have been responsible for the biggest atrocity of our era -- The Holocaust -- but that in no way taints Christianity, since the vast majority of Christians opposed the Nazis and live peaceful lives with malice toward none...

[Ignatz]

Here is what Michael Ledeen actually said and he does not make a prediction that the Iranian regime will fall next week or anytime soon. Just as he has always done he points out the widespread unrest in Iran and correctly laments the West's almost complete negligence in assisting that unrest to otherthrow the ayatollahs.
Wow, what a crazy neo con.

[Ignatz]

--No one in the U.S. mainstream media attacked peaceful, moderate Christians over those murders.--

They most assuredly attempted to smear peaceful anti abortion Christians with the taint of those murders. And those peaceful anti abortion Christians are by any measure more moderate than the clowns you're defending at GZ.

--Christians, indeed, have been responsible for the biggest atrocity of our era -- The Holocaust--

The Nazis in general and Hitler in particular were not by any stretch of the imagination Christians and your casual defamation is just one more notch in your belt of character assassination, you odious little prig.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Engage or smear, there is no difference, just the work of moving the goal posts.

Your advisor must be getting tired of supervising your comments, there bunker, you can't keep up with the theme nor the meme.

Let alone the thread where everybody's having a ball.

You need more coffee, and you better call for your supervisor more often, if you're going to get paid to put that off-topic malarky back up.

Keep up, if you're going to be an opponent, stay in the game!

(Wiating for the "Chimes in..." quote coming in...

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[scott]

Jesus never hurt anyone. Mohammed...well, therin lies your problem.(and I do mean you)

[anduril]

Just as he has always done...

Precisely.

...he points out the widespread unrest in Iran

Which regrettably never seems to threaten the regime.

...laments the West's almost complete negligence in assisting that unrest to otherthrow the ayatollahs.

Yes, and our last two interventions to overthrow mullahs and dictators have turned out so well, haven't they? What could possibly go wrong by helping to foment chaos in an out of the way place like Iran, with no strategic resources? That could never come back to bite us in the ass, could it?

[daddy]

"You want to know how we know MOO..."

MOO? We're calling her 'MOO' now?

Works for me.

[Rick Ballard]

"you odious little prig."

Geez, Ignatz - your spelling is generally much better than that. I'd better send you a 'Hooked on Phonics' refresher.

[Matthew Crandall]

Jesus never hurt anyone, but he sure had some cutting things to say about the scribes and pharisees. And when I survey our world today, I see the modern-day incarnation of the biblical scribes and pharisees made flesh in our university "professors", the MSM, and the banksters. Woe unto them!

And BunkBlaster, you are smoking crack if you think that your leftist brethren have not smeared the non-violent Christians that oppose abortion. Have you never visited zombietime? You've beclowned yourself.