Putting The Brakes On The Ground Zero Mosque

Joe Lieberman thinks someone should put the brakes on the Ground Zero Mosque.  But the Landmarks Commission removed a final hurdle, so it looks as if we have a Sudden Vehicle Acceleration problem.

In a helpful contribution to the lefty faith-based initiative backing this project, Jeffrey Goldberg explains that "If He Could, Bin Laden Would Bomb the Cordoba Initiative", since Bin Laden is opposed to moderate Muslims.  Of course, it may be that Bin Laden and his family are building this project, since the developer won't tell us about his financial backers.  Would this project still be a tribute to tolerance if it were funded by Wahhabi money from Saudi Arabia mixed in with some neo-Nazi cash from Europe? 

Oh, well - the developer has promised it will be all right, so of course we have no worries:

Another contentious issue was how the center would raise the needed $100 million to finance the project, giving rise to speculation that the money could come from extremist groups.

Sharif El-Gamal dismissed such allegations, saying the money would come from a mix of equity, bonds, grants and contributions. He also called the building's proximity to the World Trade Center site accidental and said it was purchased to meet the needs of a growing Muslim community.

Accidental?  The building was damaged in the 9/11 attack, so its historic tie to Ground Zero is much stronger than mere "proximity". I'm not fuly up to speed on downtown Manhattan rel estate, but if radical Muslims wanted to buy property destroyed in the 9/11 attack and put up a Victory Mosque, this is might well be the only property.  I doubt even Bloomberg and the Times would agree to a mosque at Ground Zero itself.

WHEN ANALOGIES FAIL:  Peter Beinart went with the "be tolerant, not a bigot" defense of the mosque and kept typing long after his brain turned off:

The ADL’s rationale for opposing the Ground Zero mosque is that “building an Islamic Center in the shadow of the World Trade Center will cause some victims more pain—unnecessarily—and that is not right.” Huh? What if white victims of African-American crime protested the building of a black church in their neighborhood? Or gentile victims of Bernie Madoff protested the building of a synagogue?

Hmm - I get the difference between building a mosque near Ground Zero and building a mosque at a respectful remove from Ground Zero; it's sort of like saying that I don't mind people dancing, but please, not on my grave.

However, I can't make the leap to Beinart's analogy of "victims of black crime".  Were the criminals motivated by religious extremism?  And can Beinart's victims associate some clear geographic region with the crimes, or would the idea be to ban black churches anywhere near anyone who has ever been victimized by black criminals?  That is absurd in a way that the Ground Zero issue is not.

Is there a Shinto Temple at Pearl Harbor? That would show our tolerance, as well as make a bit of amends for the Japanese internment during WWII and a couple of nukes we dropped.  But apparently the nearest temple is five miles away.  What kind of a country are we living in?

THE CARMELITE NUNS: The story of the Carmelite Nuns at Auschwitz is an interesting analogy.

In the 1980s, Carmelite nuns moved into an abandoned building on the edge of the former Nazi death camp to pray for the souls taken there. As with the dispute over the mosque near Ground Zero, the convent's presence escalated into a clash not only between different faiths but between competing historical narratives. As with today's clash too, it seemed intractable until the Polish pope stepped in.

For Jews, Auschwitz is a symbol of the Shoah, and the presence of a convent looked like an effort to Christianize a place of Jewish suffering. Suspicions were further aroused by a fundraising brochure from an outside Catholic group, which referred to the convent as a "guarantee of the conversion of strayed brothers." The protests mounted over the course of several years and various interfaith agreements, and pointed to the real strains that remained between Poles and Jews over a shared history with very different perspectives.

Many Catholics, not just in Poland, could not understand how nuns begging God's forgiveness and praying for the souls of the departed could possibly offend anyone. There was also a nationalist element. Many members of the Polish resistance had also been murdered at Auschwitz. And again like our present controversy at Ground Zero, intemperate reactions and statements from both sides only inflamed passions.

So what did Pope John Paul II do? He waited, and he counseled. And when he saw that the nuns were not budging—and that their presence was doing more harm than good—he asked the Carmelites to move. He acknowledged that his letter would probably be a trial to each of the sisters, but asked them to accept it while continuing to pursue their mission in that same city at another convent that had been built for them.

From contemporaneous NY Times reporting we see that Catholic nuns were not utterly out of place at Auschwitz:

As news of the drive spread, many Jewish groups in Europe issued statements demanding that Auschwitz be preserved as a monument to the mass killing of the Jews. The establishment of a convent, they said, insulted the memory of the Jews killed in Auschwitz. About 2 million to 2.25 million Jews and 1.25 million to 1.5 million non-Jews, mostly Polish Catholics, died at the camp, according to a spokesman for the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

If I were splitting hairs, I would argue that the Jews were killed for being Jews; the Polish Catholics were killed for being Polish.

Comments

[peter]

Daddy, any word on what the "solar tsunami" has wrought? (since you are our resident astronomy buff)

[narciso the harpoon]

I was being exceedingly tactful, you Jew baiting, pedantic, byzantine, popinjay in what most people here think, show of hands

[NK]

"Knave" (sp.) apologies to all for typing faster than I think. Thank you anduril for further correcting my record.

although, there is something Freudian about mistyping "knave" as "nave" when dumping on Bunker.

[Chubby]

Radical Islam is brutally murdering people every day; if the moderates want to signal their disgust with that, the money being spent on the mosque would be far better spent on or donated to a fund to help the families of the victims killed by the extremists. The latter would tangibly demonstrate sincerity of motive more than the auestionable symbolism of building the mosque. It would also demonstrate respect for others that moderate Islam so craves itself.

[Captain Hate]

Whoa; I just realized that Kwame Kilpatrick's mother lost in her primary race yesterday in what should be considered an extremely safe district. Since she's been in office forever, that should be a major heads up for incumbents.

[Danube of Thought]

Great bloody Scott--now we have an ongoing gasbaggery contest between Bubu and Anduril. Is this caused by TM being away for a day, or is it the solar eruption?

[hit and run]

Word count through 11:30:

TM: 965
bunkerbuster: 1,095
anduril: 1,757

But more seriously,I sincerely hope whatever opportunity that had taken your time away from JOM is going very well,anduril.

[hit and run]

Captain:
Whoa; I just realized that Kwame Kilpatrick's mother lost in her primary race yesterday

If that's the case,then maybe you haven't heard yet that the AP is fingering Hot Air as breaking the Sherrod video?

[bunkerbuster]

Anduril: No mas means no more, but you haven't come up with anything to begin with, other than assertions about what polls say. If you were interested in demonstrating your views rather than simply declaring them rhetorically, you'd of course respond to Pew evidence, which is unassailably that by far the vast majority of American Muslims reject bin Ladenism and radical Islam.
I have something else to attend to just now, but be assured I will find the time to gather more polling data that disproves your claim.
Meanwhile, I'll leave you and all a wager: That the percentage of Americans that support a nuclear first strike is larger than the number of Muslims that backed 9/11.

[Captain Hate]

AP versus Foul Air? Where's the popcorn?

Btw, speaking of solar activity, did anybody see any northern lights last night? It was too overcast here.

[Ignatz]

"Radical Islam" is the Islam of the Koran, Mohammad and most of his descendents and is the Islam that exists when or where Islam is expansionist, in the majority and confident.

"Moderate Islam" is either secularized or demoralized Islam that largely exists when or where Islam is suppressed or in a weak minority.

[bunkerbuster]

Appalled: You mean I'm not going to hell? News to me.
Hitnrun: yeah, but Anduril's cutting and pasting like mad. My screed's by hand!

[daddy the wanna' be heretic]

peter,

Cruddy HF comm yesterday, I assume from the sun, but our Sat-Com data links worked fine.

In about 2 hours am off to Tokyo and will have my eyes open and ears open, but really have no idea what to expect (if anything) since it'll pretty much all be vhf radios the whole way. ">http://alaskadispatch.com/dispatches/news/6258-look-to-the-sky-this-week"> This local site says we should have good Aurora Borealis the next few days, but thats all I'm aware of. Nothing from the company or our Weather Service guys of consequence.

[Danube of Thought]

James Carville's pollster brings us some of the most wonderful news I've seen it quite a while, graphically displayed quite nicely.

The word count is beautiful, Hit.

[Chubby]

I wonder if Carville attended the wedding?

[Appalled]

bunkerbuster:

I'm a moderate kind of guy. I merely consign folks to purgatory. Whether you end up in Hell after that is up to you...

[anduril]

although, there is something Freudian about mistyping "knave" as "nave" when dumping on Bunker.

Heh. That occurred to me, too.

[Chubby]

Carville and his pollster are, of course, racists.

[Captain Hate]

Chubby, according to the WaPo neither Carville nor Teh Forehead attended the wedding

[caro]

If we all refer to this edifice as the "Victory Mosque" as Hillbuzz does, it may begin to have an effect.

MarkO Giving this movement the protection of a religion is simply deadly.

True.

[narciso the harpoon]

Btw, we have another chapter in wth is Steele doing, in the LUN

[anduril]

But more seriously,I sincerely hope whatever opportunity that had taken your time away from JOM is going very well,anduril.

Actually, I was doing pretty well, but then family obligations took me away and now here I am, backsliding and trying to juggle again. Copy and Paste is a big help, but there's a limit even for me...

[Extraneus]

Good idea, caro.

[narciso the harpoon]

You can't make this up, who would even dare too, even the Onion would sat, no way in the LUN

[anduril]

you Jew baiting, pedantic, byzantine, popinjay

This from one who isn't exactly the sharpest harpoon in the whaling boat.

[NK]

Anduril, I may not agree with your opinions much, but you are usually polite and have a sense of humor, that goes a long way for me.
Bunker on the other hand.....

[Janet]

according to the WaPo

In other words, we are not sure if they were there or not! :)

[Melinda Romanoff]

Walter-

In Opera, + , hit 'em both at the same time.

or, on a Msft keyboard, +

Good luck on an iPhone, and don't use the "sidewalk" button.

[Captain Hate]

narc, I guess it's good that Steele is concentrating on his post RNC career; unfortunately it won't begin today.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Opera: Fn and End

MSFT board: Nom Lock and End

Stupid html codes

[Janet]

I believe Hillbuzz also suggested funding various "pig art" projects for around the victory mosque.
Ya know, freedom of expression and all...

[Melinda Romanoff]

Cap'n-

No Aurora, unless you're near Hudson's Bay, storm was downgraded after NASA hype. They were the only ones screaming wolf. Pretty cool video of a coronal mass ejection though.

[Ignatz]

--but you are usually polite and have a sense of humor--

I've read that three times now and I still can't make heads nor tails of it.

[Appalled]

Janet:

Personally, I would vote for funding a southern bbq restauarnt with an outdoor smoker.

[Janet]

Here is one from Cincinnati...perhaps it could be transferred?

I would donate to the transfer costs.

[centralcal]

polite? sense of humor?

You don't hang out here much if you can make that statement with a straight face.

Janet - someone should pour pig blood all over the building site.

[Janet]

Yeah Appalled...or a bbq joint! Heh!

[daddy the wanna' be heretic]

And speaking of NASA,

I am livid that on ">http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/sunearthsystem/main/News080210-cme.html"> NASA's home website containing the Solar Eruption video, there is not 1 single word in praise of Islam for their contributions to this Coronal discharge. Not one.

I want whoever the heck is in charge of NASA fired immediately. Their number one Priority from Obama's lips is building Islamic Self Esteem, and here the useless SOB's are doing Science stuff just like normal. Rotten b@#$tards. I want heads to roll.

[anduril]

I may not agree with your opinions much...

Just out of curiosity, what would those be?

[Chubby]

or a sidewalk vendor on the curb selling pulled pig sandwiches, YUM

[Melinda Romanoff]

c-cal-

I would pay the parking tickets for a while for one of these:

[Janet]

Penn & Teller suggested rebuilding the Twin Towers with the look of two giant strips of bacon...an FU to the enemy. LUN

[Dave (in MA)]

How about a Jyllands-Posten Danish Mohammad cartoon exhibit at Ground Zero.

[Janet]

Big language warning on my 12:30 LUN. sorry.

[Captain Hate]

I'm really disturbed by all these comments suggesting violence against pigs; a very intelligent and benevolent group of mammals. Plus it's making me hungry,,,

[Extraneus]

In a 60 Minutes interview shortly after the September 11 attacks Imam Rauf said, "Fanaticism and terrorism have no place in Islam" and went on to say, "I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."[3] When the interviewer asked Rauf how he considered the U.S. an accessory, the Imam replied, "Because we have been accessory to a lot of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA."[4]

If anything were to happen to the people inside that mosque, I wouldn't say the people deserved what happened, but I'm sure Imam Faisal would agree that he was an accessory to the crime that happened.

[Chubby]

Cap

I posted back to you about Carville and the fledglings ... no that is not a band name...

but it seems to have been gobbled up

[Melinda Romanoff]

Cap'n-

I'm planning violence against hogs, not pigs.

I don't know about you, but I have an appetite.

[Captain Hate]

Chubby, I doubt that you could say anything that would diminish my opinion of this software.

[Janet]

Or some sort of Macy's parade type giant balloon pig floating permanently overhead.

[NK]

now, now anduril, I didn't mean to swap spit or anything by saying you can be polite and humorous. your objectionable opinions are too numerous to itemize, let's just leave it at that.

[Janet]

Here is the pig for the grand opening of the BBQ joint next door. LUN

[caro]

9,810 google hits for "victory mosque."

[peter]

Lower Manhattan doesn't need a cultural center. Why don't they take the hundred million dollars and reopen St. Vincent's hospital?

[Dave (in MA)]

rse,

"Obamacare, mmm-mmm. Good cracker."

[narciso the harpoon]

The Juice Palace, which I was surprised that Kim was aware of, makes some of the best roast
pork in any configurations, and yes the passage is thoroughly objectionable Ex

[Rocco]

Bumper Sticker: A Victory Mosque At Ground Zero...When Pigs Fly

[Chubby]

Janet LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Thomas Collins]

Janet, that was a great LUN. And, Penn and Teller are correct that the best thing to do is build the twin Towers exactly as they were. I think we still have enough unspent stimulus money to do it, and I doubt anyone can make a serious argument against using unspent stimulus money to fund the construction jobs that would result from rebuilding the Twin Towers. And, in the name of diversity and tolerance, I propose that the first floor of one of the newly built Twin Towers be devoted to a library in honor of a black African woman of the highest class, intelligence and courage. Yes, the first floor of one of the Twin Towers should house the Ayaan Hirsi Ali Library For the Study of Philosophy and Theology. Perhaps we can get big honcho developer Sharif El-Gamal to make a ten million dollar contribution to the library.

Furthermore, in the name of diversity, I propose that the first floor of the other one of the newly built Twin Towers house a center devoted to funding educational programs for women in traditional Islamic regions of the world. With Islam being the quintessential religion of peace and tolerance, I'm sure money from the Islamic world will come flowing in to this center. Perhaps Sharif El-Gamal will also kick in a few of his millions of dollars to the center. As a gesture of friendship to Iranians, we will name the center the Neda Soltan Center For the Empowerment of the Women of Islam.

[anduril]

your objectionable opinions are too numerous to itemize

My curiosity arose from the fact that so few JOMers try to engage my opinions, or fear ostracism if they do--I thought this might be an opportunity to find out whether anyone really does disagree with me about anything substantive. The interesting fact of the matter is that most JOMers seem to agree with my views and rarely disagree, judging from comments. Anyway, a short list of examples would have sufficed--just as narciso offered what I presume was his short list of my objectionable personal characteristics: "Jew baiting, pedantic, byzantine, popinjay." No doubt he could have extended that list considerably... Well, maybe with a little help.

[Chubby]

Cap

my posts to you about fledglings must be jinxed ... second one also gobbbled

it said: please keep us posted on their progress

[jag]

Exactly where is the "tolerance" and "compassion" that liberals preach found in placing a mosgue in such a sensitive location?

Do Muslims get a pass on being "tolerant" and compassionate towards others? Why?

Wouldn't any thoughtful, respectful, religion do what (thankfully) the Pope did in the example above? There was no compelling religious (or other) reason for the nuns to locate at Auschwitz and the Pope properly instructed them to drop it.

Where are the "moderate" Muslim voices who populate a "respectful" religion who are counseling sensitivity for the families and friends of 3,000 victims of a disaster. Maybe these people are "too" sensitive. Its arguable. However, what necessitates a mosque at this particular site?

As there is no "good" reason for this particular site, Muslim insistence on this location, over valid objections, indicates at least bad faith if not a wholly malicious reason for building a mosque at this site.

Why do we have to tolerate such intolerable, ugly, choices by institutions (religious or otherwise)?

[cathyf]

I'm on Firefox. I get to the bottom by placing the cursor about an eighth of an inch above the bottom of the scroll-down bar on the right and clicking once. It's instantaneous.

DoT, that's a window-manager preference -- in most setups clicking anywhere once below the scroller pages down one page, and clicking above the scroller up one page.

(The NeXT worked the way you describe -- click somewhere in the scrolling region, end up in that relative place on the screen. Took my hindbrain YEARS to get over doing it that way, but now that it's configurable I'd have to retrain myself all over again and it's not worth the effort. I also think that scroll bars belong on the left side of the window, but that battle is long long long lost.)

[Captain Hate]

Ok Chubby; the chirper is still outside the window and it seems that the siblings are off on their own. I'll inform everybody about any confirmed sightings but I have a feeling that the next time I see them will be as adults.

Btw contra what DoT said yesterday, glory hound Brett Favre has the annual soap opera in fifth gear. He says it's not about the money as the Viqueens have offered to up his salary from 13 to 20 meeyun. How do you think this makes Tavaris Jackson feel, regardless of what you may think of him as a player.

[matt , aka Dr. Sardonicus]

daddy;

In light (pun intended) of your superexposure to cosmic (well, solar) rays last night, I would like to ask you a series of questions to determine whether you in fact have been granted super powers.

1 - How many fingers am I holding up? This relates both to your ability to use your super mind scanning abilities and/or super eyesight?

2 - do you find yourself uncomfortable without wearing something in spandex?

3 - do you have feelings of being "different" from everyone else?

4 - are men in black helicopters chasing you yet?

5 - do you sympathize with the aluminum foil helmet crowd?

6 - do you have any sudden urges to crush things like pick up trucks or mailboxes, or use telephone poles as baseball bats?

[Creeping islam]

It's perfectly clear that this is a "we'll do what we want" muslim moment. The muslims involved do not care about anyone but themselves.

[anduril]

that's a window-manager preference

cathyf, I don't think most people here will understand that. Perhaps you could explain what you're talking about.

[Jane]

I love love love all the pig stuff. I suspect New Yorkers will get on it. When is Bloomberg up for re-election.

BTW Carville went to Rush's wedding IIRC - but not Chelsea's. Interesting.

[cathyf]

I'm a moderate kind of guy. I merely consign folks to purgatory. Whether you end up in Hell after that is up to you...

Just a technical theological note: those who end up in purgatory are already irrevocably bound for heaven. Purgatory's purpose is fundamentally remedial; there is no hope and no point for those damned to hell.

[cathyf]

Kind of OT -- did anyone else notice that anduril disappeared right before the FBI arrested all those rooskie spies, and then reappeared right after they all got swapped to Russia? I suppose if I were bored I could check the IP logs for exotic locations...

[Captain Hate]

Jane, I was so shocked by your statement about Carville at Rush's wedding that I googled it and found it confirmed on sites for People mag and Larry King's Still Alive.

[centralcal]

heh, cathyf.

Captain - it is possible Carville was invited due to his wife, Mary Matalin?

[anduril]

I suppose if I were bored I could check the IP logs for exotic locations...

Hey--that'd be an interesting test of whether or not you have a life!

[Captain Hate]

CC, I was thinking that too. Anything is possible among high exposure entertainers, which both Rush and Carville are.

[Rocco]

Would you agree that Turkey is one of the more "Moderate" Muslim countries? Well here's their Prime Minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan taking offense to the word "Moderate" when describing Islam...

"There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it."

[glasater]

Hey--that'd be an interesting test of whether or not you have a life!

Was just wondering the same thing about you Andril...

[Danube of Thought]

Copy and Paste is a big help, but there's a limit even for me...

Perhaps you would consider that you have reached that limit for today? Better yet, for this calendar year.

[Danube of Thought]

Thanks, Cathyf. I really don't understand what you've said, but I'm fine as is.

[Jim Ryan]

Shields holding...

[anduril]

Window manager

"A window manager is system software that controls the placement and appearance of windows within a windowing system in a graphical user interface.[1] Most window managers are designed to help provide a desktop environment. They work in conjunction with the underlying graphical system which provides required functionality such as support for graphics hardware, pointing devices, and a keyboard, and are often written and created using a widget toolkit.[2]

"Few window managers are designed with clear distinction between the windowing system and the window manager. Every graphical operating system which uses a windows metaphor has some form of window management; however, in practice, the elements of this functionality vary greatly.[3] The elements usually associated with window managers are those which allow the user to open, close, minimize, maximize, move, resize, and keep track of running windows, including window decorators. Many window managers also come with docks, task bars, program launchers, desktop icons, and wallpaper."

Contents

* 1 X window managers
* 2 Microsoft Windows
* 3 Types of window managers
o 3.1 Compositing window managers
o 3.2 Stacking window managers
o 3.3 Tiling window manager
o 3.4 Dynamic window manager
* 4 Features and facilities of window managers
* 5 History
* 6 References
* 7 External links

[anduril]

Hey--that'd be an interesting test of whether or not you have a life!

Was just wondering the same thing about you Andril...

What's that they say about imitation? But I'm immune to flattery, so that must mean I'm not really a popinjay. That leaves "Jew baiter, pedant and byz... something or other.

[Captain Hate]

Maximum head-case and mangina A-Roid hits #600 to the sound of everybody yawning.

[matt]

I found it very disturbing this morning listening to Fox News on Sirius when in a discussion on the Missouri vote on the insurance mandate, one of the commentators said something to the effect of "it really doesn't matter how they voted. It is up to the courts."

So 71% of the voters in Missouri expressed the will of the people in a representative democracy and it doesn't matter. The arrogance of the intelligentsia and the Liberals in particular is stunning.

What the Left has done is to craft a "heads I win, tails I win" strategy. Just as here in California a federal judge is expected to rule on Proposition 8 regarding gay marriage, they simply take their losses to court and venue shop.

What is also amazing is that we have now crafted a legal environment where the foundations have been swept away completely. The whole Greco -Judeo-Christian foundation of 2,500 years of law and philosophy has been swept away by legal fiat.

[Ignatz]

Nice post, including cool graphics, by Jay Cost at RCP on the breadth, or lack thereof, of Barry's coaltition.

[Clarice]

well those lifetime appointments are made by people we elect.

[Danube of Thought]

Finally got around to reading the Dorothy Rabinowitz op-ed. I've considered her a rare treasure since her series on the shameful Amerault saga in Massachusetts, but I must say that today's effort is the best I have ever read from her.

[Danube of Thought]

Two thoughts on the weddings: (a) I believe Rush's was quite a bit larger than Clinton's; and (b) Carville, through his wife Matalin, is friendly with Rush--I believe he attended Rush's previous marriage ceremony.

[Danube of Thought]

Matt's post touches on an issue that has fascinated me for several months now: to what extent will theoretically irrelevant events affect the Supreme Court's view of Obamacare?

Every purely legal analysis says "none whatsoever." But it's not that simple. As Finley Peter Dunne said, "...the Supreme Court follows the election returns."

In this case the Court will be deciding whether the commerce (or taxing) power reaches to an extent it has never reached before. In other words, no principle of stare decisis will be applicable here. And while it considers that question, there will be roughly twenty lawsuits pending in which states have sought to invalidate the law. And there are opinion polls. And there is the party-line vote in both houses of congress. And there is the Missouri referendum.

So, what does it all mean?

[centralcal]

O/T, but I not only found this interesting, I personally relate to the findings of PajamasMedia poll on the Tea Party:

Most Startling: Of the 54 percent who support the TPM, 52 percent do so privately [italics clearly deliberate]. Furthermore, just 9 percent consider themselves members of the movement but an additional 21 percent state they have friends and families who are.

In other words — despite all those demonstrations and town hall meetings you may have been watching, reading about or participating in — the Tea Party Movement is still largely sub rosa. Why? Well, a variety of answers suggest themselves (and I am sure you will have more), but, as a Hollywood screenwriter who voted for Bush, I know full well the necessity of keeping your mouth shut. And if we are a nation of people who have been keeping our mouths shut, look out in November.

[Frau Edith Steingehirn]

IMHO the Victory Mosque needs to be completely surrounded by brothels, whore houses, bath houses and strip joints. I believe the major flaw in the religion of peace is that sex is totally controlled and distorted more so than any other major religion. If a woman's hair(!!!!)alone can inflame and drive a faithful man to rape and murder, it is easy to see why so many hormone-engorged males turn to martyrdom. Seriously, NYC has at least 300 mosques, I've heard. There is no need for the Victory Mosque at all, and *no* need for it to be located near ground zero.

"JOMers ... fear ostracism if they do (engage with me)..."
I see no proof for this.

[fdcol63]

I think the TPM is what has usually been known as the "Silent Majority".

[centralcal]

Everyone make sure to check out Ignatz's link. Those graphics are just amazing.

[Porchlight]

For the record, I do agree with and enjoy occasional anduril posts. I'm just not as likely to read them because I am accustomed to scrolling by the cut-and-paste jobs.

[Janet]

Yes Matt, I so agree. Like that little city recently that enacted laws against renting to illegals...being sued by the ACLU & others. Who has the money to fight these extortionists? They lose because they can't afford to fight endlessly. The left has deep pockets to keep laws in court & unenforced if they want...so they win just by endless delay.

[Clarice]

Once again we are in full agreement, DoT. I thought that column was incredibly well written.

[Jane]

I wrote a piece at You TOO yesterday about the MA legislature amending the constitution to make sure the people get no input. It's happening everywhere, always by democrats, and intended to have the courts replace the legislature. It's scary.

[centralcal]

Okay, the minute I read this I thought it was a glimpse into the future . . . the Future Fearless Wolverine . . .

But, not yet anyway. Of course, I am sure Clarice is encouraging a similar can do attitude.

[Janet]

and if not by the courts, then by the rules & regulations put out by empowered agencies (the EPA). Law abiding citizens have no recourse.

[Jim Ryan]

Also, centralcal, one doesn't want to be associated with, well, you know, those people. Hint: they go "muddin'" on the weekends.

I mean, I don't like our country going down the toilet any more than the next guy, but just don't let me be associated with people who wouldn't know a Freudean critique of a novel if it walked up to them and waved its hands in front of their faces.

[Walter]

"Turkey"

You may have scored a bit of an own goal here. Turkey used to be a moderate Muslim nation. Now they are less so. Did the religion change or the party in power?