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August 04, 2010

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MayBee

I find it tack that Obama announced federal pay freezes on the very day his wife arrived in Spain on a tax payer-supplemented luxe holiday.

MayBee

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Pofarmer

FWIW, yesterday was my our 14th Anniversary. As the wife was working it fell to me to cook the anniversary dinner. I'm getting very fond of cooking in Aluminum foil on the grill. Took a large sirloin steak and cut it into 1/2" or so strips. Added Onions, bell pepper, and a little hot pepper, mine got Mushrooms as well. Seasoned liberally with Seasoned salt, and added a couple pats of butter per packet. Cooked indirectly on the grill for about 2 hours. Also did mixed veggies, zucchini, Cauliflower, brocholi, peppers, and a coulple slices of fresh Jalpeno. Once again season with seasoned salt and a couple pats of butter. Sure was tasty.

 centralcal

MayBee - I understand perfectly what your point is and I agree with you. When you think of the founders themselves, were they not early on a well-formed militia.

I think they were very sensitive to citizens having a right to arms.

Extraneus

(Thanks.)

Janet

Again...I'm sorry for posting that picture Extraneus.

Ignatz

--I'll defer to your assessmet, Ignatz. I haven't looked at any of that scholarship in many, many years, and have only read synopses of the two opinions. Anyhow, I sure like the outcomes.--

DoT,
Here's a good and fairly short run down of the main players from 2007 by Randy Barnett at Volokh (Volokh himself being one of the players).

hit and run

Happy Anniversary Mr. and Mrs. Po!

MayBee

Thanks, guys. Yes, I think even if the point the founders wanted to stress was that a well-formed militia was the vital issue, it makes sense to think about how they would have viewed the individual's role (and rights) in fulfilling that need.

Ignatz

Congratulations, Po!
Last Wednesday was our 20th.

Jane

Yeah - Happy anniversary to the Po's! I'm not much of a steak eater but that even sounded good to me.

 Ann  Mongrel

Hear you go, ladies:

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Clarice

Happy Po Day!

 Ann  Mongrel

Happy Anniversary, Mr. and Mrs. Po and Ignatz ;)

Extraneus

Heh, it's ok Janet. I can take it, really, and besides, I'm sure I've done worse. (I believe mine was a pic from peopleofwalmart.com.) Maybe next time we should just wait a few posts so it's not right at the top of a page.

MayBee

Yay Pos and Ignatzi.

 Ann  Mongrel

HERE is a runner up:

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boris

"if the militia business isn't something along the lines of a necessary condition, then it is surplusage"

The militia is not "necessary" for the right to bear arms, it is a necessary option for the preservation of freedom. Hence the people always have the right in order to defend their freedom whenever necessary.

That makes an even stronger case than to base it on self defense. The individual right protectes the freedom of everyone, not just the lives of the few.

To flip that basis on it's head is false logic of the first magnitude.

Janet

Congrats to the Pofarmers & the Ignatzes!

Captain Hate

I have a bumper crop of Gold Finches this year, they are so much fun to watch and listen to.

I love goldfinches on a sunny crisp day; the yellow is so vibrant when the sun hits it. We have quite a few thistle plants in the area which draw them like a magnet. They might be too small for the hawks to hammer but you may know better than me on that.

My last fledgling sighting of the day was two of them in a hedge fairly far from the house with the father diligently watching over them. There might be another one further back; I'm pretty sure the tiny nest couldn't have held more than three.

Janet

Obama said he believes marriage is between a man and a woman, right? Ya figure he'll come out with a statement condemning Judge Walker's decision?

Captain Hate

Congrats to the Pofarmers & the Ignatzes!

+1 and for Po's state giving Bammycare the big yuck fou.

Clarice

Mosque

centralcal

Thanks, Ann!!

Happy Anniversary Po and Ignatz!! (I hate when you guys and gals post dinner menus while I am still at work - my stomach growls and growls. yummo!)

Oh, Lord, Clarice - that is so - heart wrenching!

Pops

I am about sick of judges making sh-t up about our Constritution. We need to start impeaching some of these idiots.

There is NO equal protection issue with regard to gay marriage because the ban doesn't just apply to gay men, it applies to all men. The law doesn't care if you are gay, straight, or somewhere in between, it makes no distinction..all men cannot marry another man and all men can marry a women. It discriminates equally against both gays and straights.

centralcal

Back to Flotus - ugh. Her pants are so skin tight from the waist to the knees, and her top just barely covering one of the girls, I fully expect her to have an on camera "oopsie accident" one day. ::oh horror::

Pops

The argument this judge makes would be just as true if someone sued because they couldn't marry a goat, or their sister, or ten women and six men, etc. etc. It gets rid of any legal definition of marriage and marriage becomes defined by whatever you want to define it as.

Now alot of people will say so what...I say...Heather has two Mommies.

What does that mean Pops? Well you see, there are all kinds of laws, rules and regulations about equality, so if gay marriage is recognized then schools have to have equal representation of gay marriage as straight marriage, starting all the way in Kindergarten.

So twenty years from now you won't just have Heather has two Mommies in Kindergarten, but you'll have new books like:

Harry and his Goat, and Bob, Ted, Alice, Sam and Jill, a modern marriage.

Etc etc.

And what hapens when a citizen marries 20,000 illegal aliens over the internet??

The courts will say you have to recognize their marriage??

Clarice

Well, she's exhausted. Six vacays already this year and there are two more to go before the kids return to school.

Extraneus

The pants are perfect for her, at least from the front. The top is just stupid looking. And the shoes, which probably cost $1000, are ugly.

-- Club Fashionista

hit and run

Happy Anniversary Mr. & Mrs. Ignatz!

The big two ohhhhhh!

Danube of Thought

The militia is not "necessary" for the right to bear arms

Then there was really no need to include that language. "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged" would have sufficed. But I still have to go read the stuff to which others have kindly steered me.

Happy anniversaries to all, and happy birthday to MayBee.

cathyf

Hat tip BrutallyHonest: cartoon

And this, about St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church, which STILL has not been rebuilt at Ground Zero.

Porchlight

Happy anniversaries Po and Ignatz!

narciso the harpoon

Happy annniversary, Po & Ignatz

Porchlight

Michelle says hi from Spain:

cathyf

It seems to me that the plain logic of the militia tie-in goes something like this:

"Because we might need to form a militia at any time, any locale, and at a moment's notice, with no one but ordinary citizens to make up said militia, the right of our citizenry to own firearms, keep them close at hand, and use them so that they become expert at their use shall not be abridged."

Clarice

Happy anniversary, too, to the Ignatz's

cathyf

Happy anniversary to the Po's and Iggy's!

And congrats to Po for cooking a yummy meal WITHOUT lighting a fire in the kitchen!

matt

it goes to the possibility of a personal direct stake in the decision, Jane. The burden would, to me, be on the judge to ensure absolute impartiality. I do not believe his decision reflects this.

As to the Al Jihadi mosque at Ground Zero, some amplified thoughts at LUN.

Melinda Romanoff

Happy Anniversary to the Po's and Ignatz's!

May their futures be more peaceful than their pasts.

Elliott

Happy anniversaries!

Clarice

*waving* Hi, Elliott!!!!!!


If daddy shows up tell him the feds have dropped the investigation of Cong Young.

 Ann  Mongrel

My cable and internet were down from 9:30 am to 5:00 pm. It was bliss even though I had withdrawal systems around 4pm. :)

Do states have any rights anymore? It seems to me that California amended its constitution lawfully by a majority of voters, only to be told by the federal government that their constituition is "unconstitutional." Good Grief, what is next?

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Will it matter what we do? Someone suggested we should just go and ask Eric Holder and Justice Kennedy what they think and sit back down and shut up.

Someone cheer me up.

Janet

Here ya go Ann, poetry. LUN via Instapundit

Don't follow the link Extraneous!

maryrose

Against the Mosque being built because of the insensitivity to 9/11 families. I think it's weird Obama is alone and friendless except for political buds on his birthday. I can't believe some buildings have not been constructed at Ground Zero.I totally believe and I am a teacher myself that the recent bailout to further boost the ineffective stimulus bill to help teachers is going directly into the unions pockets to help dems get elected in November.Kagan will be confirmed but it's 49 in favor and 49 opposed in a recent poll I took. Why do we have to accept such mediocre people. Alex Giannoulos in Illinois is in the pocket of the mafia and Rezco and no one seems to care. Blago jury still can't decide. I still believe Fitz moved because he was afraid Obama would get involved be on tape and ruin his political career, hence no defense witnesses-Matthews now officiually unwatchable...

 Ann  Mongrel

That is priceless, Janet. Thanks!

centralcal

Janet - ugh! Katie is a slut. With that I am going to go lay upon my featherbed, piled high with pillows and watch HGTV (and pray I don't have nightmares).

Danube of Thought

Do states have any rights anymore? It seems to me that California amended its constitution lawfully by a majority of voters, only to be told by the federal government that their constituition is "unconstitutional."

I don't think this decision will withstand the appeal. Even in the 9th, I think there's a good chance of reversal unless you get Harry Pregerson and Stephen Reinhardt (or their clones) on the panel. And I feel pretty confident that the current US SCt. would reverse.

 Ann  Mongrel

Sweet dreams, cc.

Clarice

I believe Kagan testified that she could find no constitutional right to same sex marriage.

Melinda Romanoff

Mary Rose-

A brief correction, if I may.

"Alex Giannoulos in Illinois is one of the many in the pocket of the mafia"

Just for accuracy's sake, carry on...

(As an aside, (much like the Second Amendment, if you ask me), I walked past Ald. Ed Burke getting out of the back of an unmarked state Trooper's car yesterday. Straw hat and black silk suit. I'm still waiting for him to go in one with stainless steel bracelets.)

I guess I'll still be waiting.

G'night all.

narciso the harpoon

That was certainly a 'these goggles do nothin' moment, along with that excerpt from nearly two years ago, shows her true nature

Melinda Romanoff

And I guess I have to explain: The Mechanics of Eiderdown(featherbeds):Their Use and Operation.

New topic and its arrival in the new land.

Fun!

maryrose

Melinda:
I appreciate the correction. My husband lived in Hinsdale in the 60's and even then things were rather dicey. Every alderman knew who he was accountable to and Daley reigned supreme until the 68 dem convention when all broke loose...

Janet

Here is another funny post from Doug Ross - The best ideas to save Newsweek

Here are a few -
: Rename to "Newsmonth", hire hip young writers like Ruth Marcus and Leonard Pitts
: Have Government force people to buy it. Apparently they can do that now.
: Get rid of the unpopular 'Newsweek' part of magazine

Janet

A typical hip young writer -

 Ann  Mongrel

It was bliss even though I had withdrawal systems around 4pm. :)

You know, there are typos and then there is just plain stupid.

I can't believe no one gave me grief for that one. Its a good thing Chaco is not around tonight. LOL

boris

Then there was really no need to include that language

Does the first amendment assert freedom of the press O R freedom of religion?

Both? Then why can't the 2nd assert the value of militias as well as the individual right to arms that makes them possible?

As noted it explicitly anounces an individual right which serves a collective purpose. An individual right to arms protects the collective right to freedom. Distorting such an elegant construct as a "collective right to bear arms" is fubar.

Janet

Yeah systems/symptoms...I didn't even notice! But then I had to look up the word subsume from one of Charlie's posts, so I have no high ground!

bgates

Janet, #1 and 3 would be a lot funnier if I weren't sure #2 was going to be attempted.

I think it's weird Obama is alone and friendless

Can't think of anything more natural, myself.

jimmyk

I've always been amused that 'well-regulated' and 'shall not be infringed' occur in the same sentence.

I don't think "well-regulated" means (or, rather, meant) what you think it means.

Nor does "militia" mean what most liberals seem to think it means, but most of you probably know that already.

The bottom line is that the first clause of the 2nd amendment provides a motivation and justification for the second clause ("the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"), but that second clause stands by itself. It is not diminished by the first clause.

Janet

Listen, I don't mean to complain, but I just got a tailored ad on my FB page & it was for Vein Clinics of America. I think I'm gonna hit the "remove" X and check off "offensive" for the reason.

boris

"I don't think "well-regulated" means (or, rather, meant) what you think it means."

The word regulated in this context is not based on "legislative regulation" as many seem to assume. It is closer to the meaning of "regular army".

The militia may not be "regular army" (government issue) but using thier own resources can be almost as good at "well regulated".

hit and run

Wait. Did Typepad eat my comment? Grrrr. Why aren't you people feeding it more regularly? Try soaked dry dog food and high-protein paste.

boris

Comments seem more likely to disappear when two or more commenters are trying to post at the same time. Sorry 'bout dat.

cathyf

Janet, I got one, too. They did a better job of tailoring though -- it was to a site called golikeus, and it was "IF YOU WANT TO BURN OUR AMERICAN FLAG,PLEASE WRAP YOURSELF UP IN IT FIRST.......
golikeus.net"

Janet

That is a LOT better cathyf!

narciso the harpoon

You know it's curious that the fellow who shot Miller, and the relative who was 'lynched' in '45 shared the same last name

jimmyk

My understanding is that "regulated" meant (to the framers) "capable, disciplined, competent." And militia referred to the an armed citizenry that would stand as a check on the federal army.

So the 2nd amendment, loosely translated, is saying:

"Given the importance of an well-armed citizenry to serve as a check on the army, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Janet

Try soaked dry dog food and high-protein paste.

Okay Mr. Smart Guy...if my veins weren't so bad I'd teach you a lesson! :)

Danube of Thought

Name that party: L.A. City Councilman indicted.

(You have to Google him and scroll down a bit to solve the mystery.)

Danube of Thought

Does the first amendment assert freedom of the press O R freedom of religion?

No, it asserts that neither of them can be abridged.

Then why can't the 2nd assert the value of militias as well as the individual right to arms that makes them possible?

It could, and it could do so very clearly, if its language paralleled that of the First. But it doesn't, and the difference is what gives rise to the debate. We can all wish that the Framers had written it a bit differently.

hit and run

Janet:
on my FB page

Nice Texas pics,btw.

Danube of Thought

After thinking even more about Dorothy Rabinowitz's dissection of the fool Bloomberg, I'm beginning to think of Bloomberg as having proposed a sort of reverse Occam's Razor: when you hear hoofbeats, heaven forbid that you think horses--it might, after all, be zebras.

hit and run

Typepad ate it again. It seems to be eating my comment because it has 4 links. So I'm cutting out the first link which is to the AP article I mentioned on the last thread.

Third time (and only three links) is the charm?

Let's give it another go........

I had found this news today interesting:

A week before the controversy reached Washington, Sherrod started receiving e-mails from people who saw a clip of her remarks posted on two websites, HotAir.com and USActionNews.com.

Actually. I had at first figured that emailing the gents at Hot Air would get one of them to cover the story. Nope. They've movedon.org.

I went off in search of anything at Hot Air in which a link to the Sherrod video was included. I figured someone dropped it in the comments. I started with google,trying to use keywords to locate it. Nada. I then went through HA threads about the NAACP calling elements within the Tea Party racist. Nada. Then I started scrolling through individual threads looking for links,and...so far,nada.

Maybe the story's wrong. Maybe I just missed it.

I did,however,find the USActionNews.com page with the video. The page itself isn't dated,but http://usactionnews.com/2010/07/usda-state-director-admits-race-effects-benefits/>it is here:

USDA state director admits race effects benefits

Is this the ‘post racial‘ era we get with hope and change? Here Shirley Sherrod the Georgia State director for the USDA Rural Devlopment ( shirley.sherrod@ga.usda.gov ) tells an NAACP dinner crowd that race plays a part in how she does her job.

There's an embedded video at the link -- but it is now a "private" video (is interesting that that link includes her email address).

Without a date,you may be asking yourself,how do you know that it pre-dated the Breitbart release?

I'm glad you asked.

http://www.ubervu.com/conversations/usactionnews.com/2010/07/usda-state-director-admits-race-effects-benefits/>This page tracks several tweets sent out by USActionNews.com about the link to the page above beginning on . . . July 15 (four days before the Breitbart release):

USDA state director admits race effects benefits: Is this the 'post racial' era we get with hope and ch... http://tinyurl.com/3a4qzod #tcot
2 weeks, 6 days ago by usACTIONnews onTwitter

Or go to twitter and you can see usactionnews tweeting the page http://twitter.com/usACTIONnews/status/18687138363>to Meghan Kelly on July 16 (three days before the release):

. @MegynKelly USDA state director admits race effects how she does her job http://tinyurl.com/32s5zxa #tcot
10:53 AM Jul 16th via TweetDeck

Eat this,typepad.

hit and run

I should note that the old storyline on how Sherrod found out beforehand that the video of her was going to be released was that a Breitbart radio appearance had tipped off the people who had let her know.

bgates helpfully explained how that couldn't imaginably be true.

Good thing this story puts that story to rest in a way that doesn't make the journalists outrageously outraged that Breitbart ran with a story before getting all the facts seem like they were peddling a story before having all the facts or anything.

Janet

You know what would be handy Hit?...if there was some type of business or organization that looked into these things. They could then write up the actual facts & sell this information to people that wanted to know the truth. They could call it a ...newspaper. Ah well, maybe in another lifetime...

narciso the harpoon

I recall Janet that Ignatius wrote a novel once about a paper much like the Washington Times Herald, which was the competitor to
the post, which dissapeared sometime in the 80s, if it was still around,which was the premise of the novel

narciso the harpoon

Poking around, I came across this in my research about Papa Rauf, 'reminiscing' in the Occam's Razor style, nearly 30 years before his death, about events that happened
thirty years before

daddy the wanna' be heretic

"daddy;

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Matt,

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It's Clobberin' Time!

Texas response to the EPA.

I've read someplace that 'well-regulated' meant 'well drilled'. And drill, of course, was most necessary to decrease friendly fire.
=============================

lo ko

1st amendment issues aside, Americans DO NOT have to let ANYMORE islams immigrate to America. Diversity can be overdone----from Sharia,mosques,home grown terror to hordes of illegal aliens. Stop the insanity. NOW. Recall Bloomberg.

lo ko

Appalled, There are misguided good intentions involved---from the Leftwing Democrat Paving Company. NO MORE Islam immigrants.....ever.

bunkerbuster

So much for Anduril’s ludicrous claim about polls:
A poll by Terror Free Tomorrow shows only a tiny minority of Muslims support terrorism or bin Ladenism. http://www.terrorfreetomorrow.org/upimagestft/Final%20Mercy%20Poll%20Report.pdf
Terror Free Tomorrow is a non-partisan, not-for-profit organization, whose mission
includes understanding popular attitudes that can empower global terrorists. Senator John McCain and former 9/11 Commission Chairs Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton
lead our distinguished Advisory Board. As a federal prosecutor, Terror Free Tomorrow’s
President Ken Ballen successfully prosecuted international terrorists and played a
leading role in the most important Congressional investigations over the past two decades.
Among other findings in the survey: only 12% of Indonesians expressed support for bin Laden. Only 5% of Indonesians surveyed said they believe suicide terrorist attacks are justified, up slightly from 2% in January 2006 but down from a high of 27% after 9/11, and 9% in January 2005.
A December 2006 poll by the University of Maryland Program on International Public Attitudes, shows that only 46 percent of Americans think that "bombing and other attacks intentionally aimed at civilians" are "never justified," while 24 percent believe these attacks are "often or sometimes justified." Contrast those numbers with 2006 polling results from the world's most-populous Muslim countries – Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Nigeria. Non-governmental organization Terror Free Tomorrow’s poll that year found that 74 percent of respondents in Indonesia agreed that terrorist attacks are "never justified"; in Pakistan, that figure was 86 percent; in Bangladesh, 81 percent.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0223/p09s01-coop.html

bunkerbuster

...in which wingnuts admit the necessity of rewriting the 2nd amendment to conform to their emotional needs...lol

peter

sudenly Im startin' to typ as bad as Clareece...

ouch!

Pagar

Janet, What a novel idea. How do we make it reality?

On the flip side we have Andy Griffith pushing
the Democrat propaganda line that there are some kind of hidden benefits in the Obamacare law. Of course, taxpayers are paying for this false advertising. Why can't we have a law that requires truth in advertising? Get rid of the leftist propaganda?

LUN

boris

"It could, and it could do so very clearly, if ..."

And the problem with your fubar semantics is that it does so very clearly and you still can't see it.

"We can all wish that the Framers had written it a bit differently."

I do not wish any such thing. Do you also wish math was easier to understand?

peter

Incidentally, Daddy, today is international Beer Day (IBD) LUN

boris

"I've read someplace that 'well-regulated' meant 'well drilled'."

The "regular" in regular army is somewhat synonymous with "standardized" with respect to government issue uniforms, weapons and materials. Also somewhat synonymous with "organized" with respect to discipline and training.

On that basis the term "well regulated" means as close to "regular" as personal resources permit and good enough to be useful and effective in support of regular forces and responsive to battlefield command.

Extraneus

You know it's curious that the fellow who shot Miller, and the relative who was 'lynched' in '45 shared the same last name

What do you mean, narciso? Did Sherrod talk about this in the 45-min version?

Janet

A good post at Powerline about the Prop. 8 decision.

Political leftist "experts" do all kinds of studies that prove leftist ideas are correct. If we question them...well, how can a cro magnon argue with an "expert"?

jimmyk

No doubt when (or if) bubu reads Shakespeare he insists on attaching current (or popularly misunderstood) meanings to the words rather than the ones Shakespeare intended.

hit and run

peter:
Incidentally, Daddy, today is international Beer Day (IBD) LUN

The proper way to celebrate the day is with the poise and confidence of a seasoned athlete.

narciso the harpoon

No, she didn't but it came up in Lord's rather tortured debunking

Extraneus

Thanks. Your memory is like a harpoon.

bunkerbuster

It's both telling and hilarious that identity conservatives are calling the Manhattan mosque the "Victory mosque." No sharia, no caliphate and surrounded knee deep by infidels. Victory? Absolutely. Victory for the real Islam of peace and spiritual growth, while a flagrant loss for the fake religious gangsters like bin Laden who will undoubtedly view the mosque as yet another sell out to modernity and compromise with the infidel and a noteworthy obstacle to his attempts to portray his gangster-driven terrorism as a war between Islam and Christianity.
Moreover, if simply building a place of worship counts as "victory'' in a war, then who would shed blood in opposition?

Danube of Thought

...in which wingnuts admit the necessity of rewriting the 2nd amendment to conform to their emotional needs...lol

The necessity no longer exists. The Supreme Court has spoken, and the law of the land has been established.

it does so very clearly and you still can't see it.

For just about everyone but you, it's the lack of clarity that has spawned the debate and has been the subject of numerous federal court decisions. If you have trouble with my semantics, try a remedial reading course.


I do not wish any such thing.

Suit yourself.

Do you also wish math was easier to understand?

Of course. But unlike the Second Amendment, the task can't be accomplished by clarifying prose.

boris

"it's the lack of clarity that has spawned the debate"

Crock.

Your lack of clarity is based on the notion that the presence of the first clause can only imply one (incorrect) interpretation regardless of what it clearly states. IOW does . not . matter what it says, it must have a limiting purpose ELSE why include it at all?

That is hardly an argument against the clarity of the text. Looks exactly like an argument to disregard the plain meaning of the text for some meta-meaning based on fubar inference.

As for "why include it" ... okay then strip the amendment down to the 2nd clause ... is our cunstitutional right to form a well regulated militia covered by that clause? No. Is it necessary to come up with something you find more plausible? No.

The clear meaning of the two clauses, plus a clearly plausible reason for including both is all that's necessary to dispose of your misunderstanding.

Danube of Thought

IOW does . not . matter what it says, it must have a limiting purpose ELSE why include it at all?

It would be charitable to describe that sentence fragment as incoherent.

As for "why include it," I posed that question with respect to the establishment of an individual right to keep and bear arms, which was the right under discussion both on this thread and in the Supreme Court cases.

A more clear and unambiguous expression of both the right to form a militia and the individual right to keep and bear arms might have been accomplished as follows: "Neither the right to form a well-regulated militia nor the individual right to keep and bear arms shall be infringed." You may be assured that had it been written that way, the matter would never have even been litigated. And If you truly believe that the actual wording is clear, then you have missed roughly a century of debate and a number of court cases.

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